Prop. 8: The Musical
By Nicole Belle Friday Dec 05, 2008 5:30am(See more Jack Black videos at Funny or Die
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Award-winning composer Marc Shaiman put together Jack Black and a star-studded cast for "Prop 8: The Musical".
Join the Impact is still organizing protests and other events to call attention to the inequality of Proposition 8 in California (and lest you non-Californians think this doesn't impact you, think again. California is the guinea pig for similar legislation through out the country).
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Fun to see Andy Richter in something again, even if it's short shorts.
I live in Florida so it's already impacted our state. I will never be able to understand why this is such a hard thing for so many people to deal with. How they think it will harm them is beyond me. It's the most selfish thing to be against it.
Just read that one of my blog buddies became unemployed as of yesterday and I'm not feeling very cheery right now. That big ball of economic shit is rolling down the hill and it's picking up speed every day.
I don't believe that they truly think gay marriage will harm them.
They're a bunch of bullies who are getting their hate for gays on.
They think that they are fooling everybody with their "protect marriage" scam.
Transparent self righteousness.
If they really wanted to "protect marriage" they would campaign to outlaw divorce.
But that might mean losing one of THEIR rights.
I'm a heterosexual, married woman (20 yrs) and I believe you're
spot on. Unless, you think that you may be gay or bi, there is no
reason in the world you should be treatened by two men or women
seeking to make their relationship permenent.
There are many, many other things that threaten marriage, gay
marriage does not. And, gay weddings are the best parties ever!!
No stereotypes in that crappy skit. /snark
..but the audience it's seemingly meant to appeal to can mainly only appreciate the gay community on those terms. Stereotypes can sometimes be useful if they can get messages across and further a cause. Here's a good example of what I mean to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABH_RFeeGAs
...their basic rights...at least they care.
They seemed to be rather truthful in their depiction of the hate laws being written by Religious Fundamentalists or the USA's version of the Taliban. I can not say that Gays really need Marriage, after all it is a Religious thing to be Married. If you are Gay the Church and Christianity wants nothing to do with you so why the F are you seeking to be recognized by those who are brought up to hate you. You know good o'll Christians have a laundry list of things they hate in the name of Jesus. I just don't get it at all, this is lame........ The video is good work, yet a waste of time.
.."I don't get to go out very much."
Some sweet kids put on a show for me to watch on my computer and I enjoyed watching it.
It's a tax thing to be married. It's an estate thing to be married. It's a medical decision making thing to be married.
If marriage was only a religious thing, you wouldn't need a government issued license to do it.
No one gets married "to be recognized" by some church. You get married so the state will recognise and validate your relationship -- thus granting you and your spouse over 1,000 benefits available only to "married" couples.
Get it now?
What dizzy said. Many of my gay friends could give a shit about
getting married. The ones that do have very real reasons, as
outlined by dizzy, that have nothing to do with religion or being recognized by a bunch of self-important hypocrites.
Also, here in Nevada, the state does not recognize common-law
marriage, so you are either married or you are not. That can
be very important in cases where your loved one is in the hospital
and you, as the partner of 7+ years cannot make medical decisions,
but are forced to rely on others directly related to the patient
who can swoop in and do what they like. It works the same for
heterosexual couples here, no marriage, none of the legal rights
that are attached to the relationship.
Like others here are saying, in the US it's more of a tax-and-legal-rights thing to be married, like whether you get to make decisions about what happens to your partner on his/her death bed or even just to visit your partner in hospital. Gays wouldn't need government-sanctioned marriage if not having it didn't deprive them of basic rights like those. It would be enough to adopt some of the practices of countries like Canada and Sweden, really, and make things more equitable. You may remember that in the 60s and 70s, there were moves to extend the legal benefits of marriage to non-married couples, based on similar reasoning plus the recognition that long-term coupling long predates the existence of both organized religion and governments.
I'm glad someone finally started the dialog that the Bible can't be treated À la carte.
On a programing note: Jack Black and Marc Shaiman are going to be on Countdown tonight (Friday).
Yeah, its great and funny and all that.
Only where were all these supporters of Prop 8 in September when this would've really mattered? I appreciate the support, but its starting to piss me off that it's only showing a month AFTER the election.
..take a while to put together. There were a lot of high quality production values involved behind the scenes, even though the actors made it all look easy.
My guess is that the reason this video hadn't been realized before the election is because many of the performers and technicians in this piece were actively involved at the time in their 'real' careers and had no idea that the COLDS (The Mormons) would make such a huge impact in California.
I mean-- did you see that coming? I didn't.
With the climate in this country? For something so serious and important? 8% were easily nudgable, and what a glorious nudge this would have been.
Hindsight is 20/20 though.
Only meaning to plead the case for the people involved with this video, and others like it which may follow. Their efforts could still affect progressive change down the road if enough people can get to see and to enjoy things like this.
Yeah, I know and I agree.
I'm still a bit rankled, though
Prop 8 was polling 3 points behind in October. http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/prop-8...
And I don't buy the "they were busy" excuse. I'm guessing this took less than a month to produce based on the post election references. They all had clear schedules after Nov 4, but were swamped for the 8 months before that? Bull.
Perhaps I'm still bitter over the loss, but the johnny-come-lately's aren't making me feel better.
Dearly. I will shut up now.
Don't do that, I need someone to talk me down :-)
I'm always good for those!
I don't know about y'all, but I was sure receiving a lot of emails and letters about contributing to the drive to defeat Prop 8 for weeks before the election. And I live in Texas. I assume that many people were working hard to defeat Prop 8 by fundraising, organizing, etc, rather than creating entertaining videos. They weren't doing nothing.
My mother used to say you can prove anything by using what's said somewhere in the bible.
I think the point of the skit was, if you convince people there is money to be made from something they will push everything else aside including some of their so called beliefs.
Okay, it's early so my brain may not be functioning on all gears yet. Be gentle with me.
I'm unmarried. If the gays are allowed to marry then I'll have to make the choice between marrying a man or a woman. I chose to be straight because gay is bad mmmkay? Without government supervision I might have chosen to be gay! Aside from having a nicer garden, where would I be??
I'm thankful for the rule of law because Neil Patrick Harris is SO cute that I might have to switch sides if the law allowed me to.
You should see Neil Patrick Harris as the shoe fairy on Sesame Street, absolutely wonderful, best guest spot ever, you would switch even without rule of law.
My prior criticisms do not apply to NPH.
He can do no wrong.
... used to be a bishop in Salt Lake City, and insists religious leaders have a constitutional right to speak out on political issues.
Link.
They DO have a constitutional right to speak out on political issues. What they seem to forget is that they DON'T have a constitutional right to tax-exempt status, which (let's face it) is effectively a government payoff to keep churches from getting involved in politics. "You see to the spiritual needs of your congregation, we'll see to the national issues of our constituents."
whales are fish and bats are birds. Could we get an amendment that places these uppity creatures back into their divine-decreed classifications? This is such a threat to real mammals.
The bible also says usury (the lending of money with interest) is prohibited.
Think there are any Mormons/Fundies out there with mortgages or car loans?
Of course not, after all, that would be a sin.
I'm amazed no one has commented on the obtrusive ads that popped up repeatedly. I almost stopped watching after the third one appeared in ten minutes.
Is that really necessary? Is it a "Funny or Die" thing? Do the producers of the play get some income from it? Does Crooks and Liars receive revenue from it? Is youtube not cool anymore? Am I a curmudgeon for being irritated by it?
On second thought, maybe it just shows that not only can gay marriage save the economy, even the struggle to save gay marriage can save the economy! :)
The ads bugged me too, but I just decided not to mention it.
According to youtube:
"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by Funny or Die, Inc."
This humorous play expressing your sentiments is 'protected' by US copyright law. So that that the humorous people at Funny or Die can earn some money.
Capitalism is incompatible with liberation.
/soapbox
..but I took the challenge and still managed to download a copy for myself, via a free flv downloader called moyea.
Just now, I mean!
...in other words, Jesus as Himself! hehe
Also, Margaret Cho is really looking great these days! Stoked on the ink, too!
Margaret Cho is really sounding good, too, these days. If you haven't heard the songs she's written recently, including one protesting Prop 8, look 'em up. They're hilarious. Her "Beautiful" tour is hilarious, too.
I regularly attended church most of the first eighteen years of my life and these "Christians" openly promoting murder based on philosophical differences while quoting the bible make me fucking sick. Sick fucks like Warren, Robertson, and the presently rotting pig Fawell are descendants of Sunday school teachers who participated in Saturday night lynchings and burnings....in the name of the lord, of course.
What was that line from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"? The one about the Holy Hand Grenade described in the Book of Armaments? "Oh, Lord ... blow thine enemies to tiny bits. In thy mercy."
One of the best Monty Python scenes ever!
Consult the Book of Armaments!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrgLj9lOwk
Frankly, I watched this once when it appeared somewhere and I can't bear to watch it again. I'm all for the overall message about religious hypocracy, especially the part about shell fish, but if the black civil rights movement had used white people in blackface doing a minstrel show, it would have been just as offensive and threatening to many black people as this clip is to me, a gay man. I don't know anybody who fits into these stereotypes and I'm absolutely sick of gay men being valuable only because they're FABULOUS. I am not and have never been fabulous, and I don't derive my worth to society from it. I do, however, feel increasingly marginalized--if that's the word when you become invisible--by the Will & Grace culture that can only accept shallow clowns as a model for gay behavior. Just because these people, some of them gay, mean well, doesn't mean I'm not insulted by their very clear message to me as a gay person that I've got to get with the program and start mincing.
As a nelly, effiminate Gay man living in a Gay ghetto who sometimes wears dresses, it does not bother me to see the effiminate stereotypes in this video. I understand the butcher, drab homosexuals feel threatened by people like me, but you know what I learned some 40 years ago when I first came out? Ain't nobody free until drag queens are free.
There were also half a dozen other Gay and Lesbian people in this video who were not stereotyped.
Lighten up. There's all kinds of us out here.
Oh real smart, ridiculing Jesus Christ, no doubt that will win over the masses, I'm sure we'll have gay marriage nationwide now. Oh yeah that's going to happen (smirk).
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