Iran: Hezbollah Won't Respond to Gaza Op
By Susie Madrak Tuesday Jan 06, 2009 3:30pmIf this mess explodes on two fronts, the volatility of the situation increases exponentially. Just another piece of the BushCo legacy!
Lebanon's parliament majority leader Saad Hariri on Monday claimed that Hezbollah would not respond to Israel's devastating offensive against Hamas in Gaza.
Hariri said that Saeed Jalili, the secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, told him that Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militant organization, would not attack Israel from Lebanon.
"What Jalili said greatly calms us," Hariri said.
The lawmaker's remarks came despite the fact that observers in both Lebanon and Israel are starting to believe some kind of escalation along the Lebanese border is likely if the military operation in Gaza continues.
It is far from clear what form this escalation might take. One possibility is relatively small-scale rocket launches, either by Lebanese groups affiliated with the cause of global jihad or by Palestinian groups in Lebanon, which generally coordinate their activities with Hezbollah.
Another option is an operation by Hezbollah itself, which would probably be broader in scope.
That Hezbollah has been increasing its forces' preparedness in recent weeks is no secret: The organization's leader, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, announced it publicly the day Israel's operation in Gaza began, and Sheikh Nabil Kauk, the Hezbollah official in charge of south Lebanon, reiterated it Monday.
Lebanese analysts believe there is disagreement within Hezbollah: Some senior members favor restraint, while others charge that mere speeches in support of the Palestinians are insufficient, and must be backed up with attacks on Israel.
The prevailing view, however, is that if Hamas appears to be weakening, pressure on Hezbollah to intervene would intensify greatly. "Hezbollah cannot allow Hamas to lose this war," said Ibrahim al-Amin, editor of the Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar, who is considered close to Nasrallah.
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the Israeli destruction of Gaza is not complete by January 20th?
Guess Obama will have to say something about the matter.
...have to say something as a politician...he should say something as a human!
n/t
He is not saying anything because he has a completely different opinion than Bush.
Israel knows that, and that explains their timing. They will stop shooting as soon as he takes office.
His opinion is the same as Bill Clinton's because his advisors are the same as Bill's.
Clinton used to put heavy pressure on the both sides to stop. I don't know that the US has that much clout with Israel any more, thanks to chimpy
voiced dismay.
in military funding for 2006 alone and a permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council vetoing every issue raised against Israel, I believe the U.S. still has a fair bit of clout.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KA07...
thanks for the link
unabated.
I remember the words, "NEVER AGAIN!"
I guess that doesn't apply to Palestinians.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Unfortunately many Israeli forgot how they've been treated over the centuries, and are now treating Palestinians like they don't deserve to live.
6 million jews were killed because they did not resist. They now will not allow others to continually rocket them. They have ALWAYS sought peace. Israel stands alone in the Middle East and the World. They have a right to protect themselves. 3000+ rockets into Israel. 3000 that is a huge amount. Every rocket fired with the intent to kill.
Where has Hamas ever extended an olive branch. They sow the seeds of destruction and have put their people in harms way. Please if anyone can think of a credible solution as to how to achieve peace, post it. In my view Israel has the right to defend itself and its people from the people that seek it's destruction.
Why is Israel different than any other sovereign nation. How can they accept any reality of peace when their neighbor’s sole ambition is its destruction? Israel has defended itself time and time again from Arab aggression to destroy Israel. (Sinai Campain, Yom Kippur war, Six Day War).
On a daily basis Israel has been besieged by rocket attacks. Time Magazine reports “As convoluted as that may sound, the statistics bear out the reality of the truce. From the beginning of the year until June 19, Israel was struck by 2,660 projectiles fired from Gaza and nobody cared until Israel attacked. What country would hold back in protecting themselves, except maybe France i.e. WWI and WWII? I would like to see how any other country that condemns Israel not protect itself with the same circumstance.
The people/countries that condemn Israel either are completely ignorant or do not believe in Israel’s right to exist. Israel stands alone in the world except for the United States. There is no other ally in the Middle East that is a more stable and loyal ally to the U.S. than Israel.
Remember 9/11 and the Palestinians throwing candy in the streets after we were attacked. These are not people after peace but people who are forever at war with the west. If Israel did not exist the Arab nations would have no one else to hate and would end up fighting each other (i.e. Sunnis and Shiites).
Unfortunately war is bloody and innocents are killed. That is a fact in any war. It is ultimately the fault of the Palestinians and there support of Hamas that has started this recent war. There needs to be a final resolution to this and it is unfortunate that the Palestinian people have choose to fight vs. to try to find a lasting peace.
Israelis that were dancing in the streets cheering the carnage of 9-11. Get off your high horse. Anyone who thinks they are the chosen ones of God is an indication they think they are better than anyone else. Ain't so!
feel good to repeat stories with no basis in fact?
and you really dont understand what the phrase "chosen people" means
has nothing to do with superiority
has to do with chosen to keep the torah...
it is a religious concept
Some people were cheering in NY streets.
NYers literally cheering when one came done, on video.
I would assume they were a group of anti-capitalist types (or bored drunken 'dontgiveafcuk' types), but its quite audible on the camcorder footage in the background.
For people watching from a safe distance 9/11 quickly became a media event/ spectacle and thus 'entertainment' ,a sad but true part of human nature.
How much of the any average TV news program is real news and not 'entertainment', flash graphics and presentation, bimbo anchors (both male and female) and skateboarding ducks, celebrities and morality tales.
Buried in amongst the flashy entertaining stories are the nuggets of real news, ie economics politics world news and other.
Torah. I don't believe in it. When Jesus related the sacrament he basically said forget that 40 years in the desert stuff. That's all myth, I am the truth! Personally, I like him as the man, the rabble-rouser against the Jewish establishment. You are so naive to think it doesn't result in the internalized misconception of humman superiority.
What's life like as an anus who thinks he is intellectually superior to anyone who disagrees with him. Liberalism is better off without your kind.
1. Millions of people were killed in WW2 full stop. My grandfather spent 5 years being tortured by the Japanese in Changi after the fall of Singapore. I find it offensive to have that considered a lesser event than what happened to a Jewish person at the hands of Germans. I'm sorry, but the jewish do not have a monopoly on being on the receiving end of atrocities that occurred during WW2. Nor is it a justification for doing the same to others.
2. Israel only became a sovereign state in 1948 - on top of Palestine. So their 'neighbours' in this case used to live there. Odd that they may want their neighbourhood back.
3. To suggest that Israel has not made it as hard as possible politically, militarily & economically for the parts of Palestine (cut off from each other via checkpoints, I might add) would be naive in the extreme.
4. The contrary to the right for Israel to exist (and it does) is that Palestine also has a right to exist. Incursions, land grabs and illegal settlements amongst other things do not show that Israel seems prepared to accept a Palestine right to exist.
5. Remember 9/11. Remember that the U.S. has also vetoed any issue presented to the U.N. Security Council on Israel's behalf, effectively denying a forum and justice via international law for Palestinians. Remember than the U.S. provides aid yearly to Israel ($2.28 billion in military aid alone in 2006). The unwavering U.S. support politically & financially of Israel is seen by many around the world as participation in the suppression of Palestinians.
There is no easy answer for the situation, but to view the world through blinkers is not going to help.
This criminal action by Israel and the US will give all the Middle East reason and support to build Nuclear Weapons. The United Nations is powerless as they allowed Bush to do the same thing based on lies. The Middle East will build a Palestine Holocaust Massacre Museum for all to see how Israel used Cluster bombs to kill children who were in a US safe house. Yes schools and homes bombed to wipe the Palestine people off the face of the earth. Now the US Media is reporting one Israeli man died for a heart attack, a lady was scared, a soldier got a small scratch and one had a minor arm injury and that pretty much is the result so far for the reason Israel has to kill all the Palestine people. No Journalist are allowed to show the truth of what Israel is doing to Palestine the Media can only show how Israel is doing. NBC showed an Israel family doing a drill when they hear bombs. It started ok then the kids were laughing and the money was show boating for the camera as one young girl was laughing. The bomb they heard was so far away and it nothing but they called it death and fear as their reason to kill the woman/children in Palestine. Now as for Hamas well Israel is using them as an excuse to take over all of Palentine. This will allow other Middle East countries to get the land back as Israel was allowed to settle on Palestine land by the United Nations at the request of US/UK in 1948 as Jewish people ran from Hitler's Holocaust.
This action by Israel will pay dividends for generations to come.
It's not just brutal. It's stupid.
And dangerous to tomorrow's children.
They are planting the seeds of Hatred. I just saw a guy on TV who lost his whole family when Israel bombed his house.
He says "I have nothing to live for". I Won't be surprised when he straps bombs to his chest and blows up an Israeli bus.
nt
Screw the Pissraeli's.
This is just a brazen land-grab for the territory they left years ago, now that they got natural gas discovered off shore.
And, if you do the research, you'll find that Hamas is actually a Shin Bet front.
Qui Bono?
Qui Bono is something that not nearly enough people ponder.
Orang,
Oh, I think they might privately ponder it, but when it comes to taking responsibility for doing something about, confronting a government so evil, that it truly rivals the worst in history for what it has done to others, and to its own people...
that is something that is very hard to consider.
But we need more people like this girl.
Palestine Girl stands up to Israel Soldier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQyIKyd2gqA
People willing to put their life at risk for liberty.
Freedom of Speech is still an ideal worth fighting for.
exacly.
People need to realize, before its too late, there wont be a Normandy beach for America.
No one will come to save us from ourselves.
Courageous girl.
But where was she when Hamas was shooting rockets at Israeli villages. Hamas shoots at school children all the time. That's what happens when you fire rockets indiscriminately at and into villages with the intent to kill civilians.
Of course, if she had stood up to Hamas, she'd simply have disappeared or been found in a ditch.
If you're going to use Latin (YOUR choice), use it correctly. "Qui" is the nominative case, meaning "Who." "Cui" is the dative, meaning "to whom." So the whole phrase means (roughtly, "To whom (is) the good." Don't accuse me of pedantry. I didn't pretend to be erudite by misusing a Latin phrase.
Encouraged that Obama can use the crisis to usher in a New World Order
at 2:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3BqK-9ZiU
Isn't that bastard a partner with Bush sr in Carlyle?
...watch the Jersey girls make Henry Kissinger squirm and cause him to resign from the 9/11 commission!...1 min video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcxjJDlbnC4&fe...
Another murderous thug that should have the same fate as Cheney. Listen to that man for more than a minute, and you want to use torture on him.
amazing how all these heads of state use the same cryptic New World Order language isn't?
Like they all learned it from somewhere.
How much in the last 2 decades both politically and economically was done on purpose with specific goals in mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove
The Trials of Henry Kissinger ~ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2815...
who supports today's war criminals.
God, how I wish there were justice.
Just like Kissinger used in Chile in the 70's.
Just like Naomi Klein describes in her book.
Just like 9/11 was used by the Bush Crew.
Kissinger is fond of the 9-11 date also, for that is the anniversary date of his overthrow of Chile.
and the 9-11 date is special to the Pentagon too, for that was the date of its groundbreaking in 1940.
Who would have thought a bunch of hard-partying Muslims would be SOOOOO date sensitive to think of those special dates.
boggles the mind.
you describe. I lived through them.
I'm wondering how Obama fits into this history.
He fits into this history if (a) he's not going to pursue Bush's war crimes, and (b) Kissinger praises him.
see David Gregory on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart discussing this? Jon, doing the only media questions for the last decade, asks Gregory why nobody even whispers anything bad about Israel in the media. Then he clarifies how Hamas is a democratically elected authority, yet all the MSM refers to them as terrorists. Gregory's reply? "I don't know why that is."
He knows one can say more Truth with Comedy as the messenger.
He just hasn't sold his soul to his corporate overlords . . yet.
anti-Israel comments that don't suggest alternatives. What would you have had Israel do? The Israeli government has tried asking Hamas nicely to stop rocketing southern Israel. That didn't work so well.
Look...during the so-called "cease fire", Hamas continued to launch missles, just at a slower rate than before the cease fire. During the cease fire, Israel essentially tolerated the missles aimed by Hamas at purely civilian targets (and tolerated the huge psychological harm the uncertainty, stess and danger caused to Israelis by random rocket attacks) as the price of living in the Middle East.
At the end of the cease fire, Hamas refused to renew it and then increased the frequency and severity of its missile attacks. Hamas obviously used the cease fire as time to rearm its missile stock piles (rather than as a time to bring in humanitarian aid for its people).
Once Hamas ended the cease fire and stepped up rocket strikes, what exactly would you have had Israel do? How long would the US allow Cuba (or Mexico or Canada) to target US population centres with missiles? How long should ANY state have to put up with deliberate attacks on its civilians?
Israel is attempting to strike at Hamas directly. Given that Hamas operatives look like (and hide among) civilians, civilian casualties are inevitable. If you would prefer only military targets to be attacked without any risk of civilian deaths, then please convince Hamas members to wear identifiable military uniforms and to engage the IDF in a battle away from all civilian centers.
Hamas caused this, not Israel.
Finally, please bare in mind that a majority of Gaza residents (of voting age) voted for Hamas. They voted FOR the people who they KNEW were going to launch rocket attacks at Israeli civilians. The Israeli response is pretty much what comes from that vote.
that if a few disgruntled individuals from Mexico lobbed missles into Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, the U.S. would take some action.
But to destroy the country of Mexico?
this analogy doesn't work too well. if this was jordan lobbing missiles into israel it would be more apt of an analogy.
...they are more like ...fireworks, they have no guidance system and more people die on one holiday weekend in driving accidents in Isreal than die from 4 years of Hamas "bottle rocket" attacks.
second ...screw your suggested moratorium!
More people died in the Israeli attacks (3 waves) on the USS Liberty with rockets, .50cal, and napalm, than from Hamas' bottle rockets.
perhaps we can get a moratorium on Pro-Israeli comments with that.
"We saw no need to inform Israel or any other party to the hostilities of the Liberty's location since the ship was on a peaceful mission and was in international waters. I have seen a report alleging that the Israeli Government has asked us about the presence of the ship prior to the attack, but that report is not true."
Lyndon B. Johnson, then-President of the United States
OOOPS
are just that but Israel hegemony over the Palestinians knows no boundries.
And, its timeless. Remember the myth that David slew Goliath. David is still trying!
the fact that Hamas' missiles lack much in the way of guidance makes launching them with the intent to kill civilians okay?
Is it just a question of how effective your military technology is? If your missiles are more accurate, you're more evil?
Nice attempt to justify Hamas' repeated attempts to kill civilians (not as collateral damage but as an end in itself).
You seem like a nice guy.
I've enjoyed your comments.
But I think you're wrong.
That's part of what's great about a democracy.
BTW, seriously, what would you have Israel do?
as a country, think about its future.
The reproduction rate of Arab countries works against it.
It should seek peace rather than war.
Reach out peacefully to the Palestinians. Uncage them. Quit taking their land and bulldozing their homes and killing them. Have the military march in, and hand out food and medicine. If there is a terrorist organization in the world that can still have supporters against a nation that does this, THEN use military means.
n/t
It's hard to convince a country to put its citizens at risk to assist people who are actively trying to kill them.
Also, I don't expect that Gaza residents would react well to Israelis marching in, whether to hand out food and medicine or otherwise.
Also, as long as the Palestinians deny Israel's right to exist, it will be difficult to get many Israelis to agree to surrender territory. I've had discussions about this with numerous Israelis over the years and their primary concern has always been that - while surrendering territory for security would be very worthwhile, surrendering territory to be just as insecure is not only worthless but dangerous.
around in circles we go...
The problem, as proven, is that Israel broke the treaty, and had this planned months in advance BEFORE any missiles were launched by anyone.
If a powerful army decided that the town where you live, just shouldn't live there, and caged you in like animals, and denied the passage of food and medicine for your family, I suppose you'd say "well it's their right to exist, my bad"? Or would you try to fight back any way possible?
Hamas or no Hamas, Israel is killing women and children. Does it make it right to do that?
Hamas was launching rockets during the cease fire. You have information that suggests otherwise?
Also, I believe international law recognizes a distinction between intentionally targeting civilians and hitting military targets that will inevitably cause civilian casualties. Israel is doing the second.
If Hamas wants to minimize collateral damage to civilians, Hamas members should go fight a conventional war on a conventional battle ground.
israel is committing war crimes (targeting civilians, using weapons of mass destruction), and it is hard to withhold comment when it comes to war crimes. and, i like freedom of speech and all.
hamas and israel are BOTH using terrorism as policy, its just that israel is far, far, far, far richer and armed for all-out war.
you write: "a majority of Gaza residents (of voting age) voted for Hamas. They voted FOR the people who they KNEW were going to launch rocket attacks at Israeli civilians. The Israeli response is pretty much what comes from that vote"
in other words you think: if you vote the wrong way and you deserve to die?
i hate to see anyone die. i hate to see israelis forced to cower out of fear of a missile strike. i hate to palestinians blown to bits by F16s. i hate all of it. but, to pretend that this is all hamas' fault is shortsighted and simplistic.
Israel is at fault as well, but it's not as though Hamas (or those who voted for Hamas) are blameless.
I'm taking a slightly more extreme position just to counterbalance some of the "Israel should be bombed out of existence" comments I've seen recently (hello dadams).
To be clear, I think if you vote for a terrorist organization that intentionally attempts to kill the civilians of a neighbouring state, you should be aware that you are taking a risk of becoming collateral damage should that state retaliate. That's different from "you deserve to die".
"To be clear, I think if you vote for a terrorist organization that intentionally attempts to kill the civilians of a neighbouring state, you should be aware that you are taking a risk of becoming collateral damage should that state retaliate."
I say,
well then, ...since the Israeli govt has engaged in terrorist acts, proven by the USS liberty incident, and the fact that innocent civilians are dying now...
(by your logic)
"the people who voted for the current Israeli govt need to be aware that they are taking the risk of becoming collateral damage? ...EH? Israel did (in fact) attack the USS libery ya know.
Except that apples aren't oranges.
Israel was in the middle of a war when the USS Liberty showed up UNANNOUNCED AND ALONE off of Israeli waters. For all Israel knew, the Liberty was a Syrian or Egyptian warship flying a false flag (the Israelis actually misidentified it as an Egyptian freighter and as an unidentified destroyer). You can just as well blame the US Admirals involved, one of whom, iirc, was named McCain.
And Israel wasn't as tight with the US in '67 as they got to be in the mid-'70's. Israel flew French planes and used French tanks. And while Egypt and Syria used Soviet weaponry, Jordan was a client of the US.
Israeli propoganda, hook, line and sinker. Too bad!
The CYA evidence is rampant. You think that in 1967 all of the incompetent US military brass was in Vietnam? Think again.
...there are so many examples of Israeli terrorism...I dont know where to begin...Not just against the U.S.
Two Israelis arrested with bombs
in the Mexican Congress!
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mex...
The Israeli govt is terrorist.
...so is ours.
with your assertion. By the way, is CYA cover your ass evidence?
I'm never sure when somene's gonna miss that.
/snark off
Seriously, some reputable back-up would lend that much more credibility. For all I know La Vox De Aztlan might be published by the heirs of those who published The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
the ADL has charged the nation of Aztlan with antisemitism... but then again, anyone who criticizes israel is open to charges of being antisemitic.
that said, i do think israel uses terrorism as policy.
know about that newspaper? And the link to Pravda Online, the remnants of the Soviet era mouthpiece (as opposed to the right-wing, nationalist print edition Pravda)?
Sorry, I question the slant. I'm not saying that the Mexican newspaper is anti-semitic, but I think it should be open to discussion.
Look, I don't buy into right-wing Israeli propaganda. How they're trying to justify this overkill is staggeringly unproductive to any sort of peace process. They make all Israelis look bad (sounds familiar to the backlash against all Americans after Stupor Mundi's debacle in Iraq). Hamas knows this is how Israel's right-wing would react to slight provocations- though provocations, still! Just because Israels actions are horribly wrong doesn't make Hamas right.
And notice how Israel isn't attacking Arabs in the Fatah-administered West Bank. Wonder why that is?
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guilty of war crimes.
maybe you're thinking of former CIA analyst Ray McGovern instead?
sounds like something he would say.
suit.
Go back 50 years.
There are 50 years of evil CIA history.
and, if confirmed, Panetta will keep the secrets secure...and perpetuate the lies and coverups of the crimes of the US government.
He has to. If he didn't, the People would exercise the Declaration over the Constitution (since its so obviously a dead instrument to the officers of the state.)
you have your finger on the pulse.
I would suggest to all on this board, rather than play parrot and repeat the crap you've read on CNN or NY POST, etc, google your asses off on Palestine/Israel 1947 until now. You'll find amazing stuff like Menachem Begin being, essentially the first terrorist by blowing up the King James Hotel in Jerusalem and killing a lot of people. Sharon the butcher who invaded Sabra & Chatila and raped, killed tons of innocent women and children, We like to look at the Arabs as the terrorists.......read boys and girls....READ.
And why do we give Israel $50 million a year...no questions asked?
No matter how you look at it both Israel and Hamas are handling this in the worst way possible. Israel for its 60+ year oppression of the Palestinian people and attacks which are only hurting the civilians and making the palestinians more likely to turn terrorist acts and Hamas's rocket attacks into Israel guarenteeing an Israeli response. Both are counterproductive and will only continue the cycle of violence that has plagued the region for years now.
will set off the Israelis. They think they are the chosen ones.
As in Canada, our mom and pop stores are managed by people from the Arab, Indian and Pakistani communities. My profession revolves within these stores and working closely with these groups. The Arab community feel, unless the world gets involved, Israel will continue to escalate with impunity the carnage that we are seeing (in between football games and other comfort things we find more important to watch)until all Arab groups band together (especially Iran, which this is what is hpoed for)or complete anniliation of Palestine which is great for Israel. Another sucker shot for Americans to believe in. Just like Iraq.
The one thing that confuses the hell out of me is, how does a country the size of Rhode Island amass the 3rd largest military in the world? Where is the population to drive such an economy? Remember the 60's & 70's in Ireland? If anyone in North America was caught sending funds home to "help the cause", they were kicked out of the country. How much Wall Street, Hollywood, Publishing, Sports Entertainment $$$ (Gentile money) is going back to Israel? USA is funding USB! This from a 7th generation Irish Canadian boys & girls.
the world?"
I dunno...maybe there's something that happens when your nation's under attack from all four of your neighbors at the moment of your nation's inception. Now that they're armed to the teeth, Israel isn't attacked by the governments of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.
But that's the easy part.
Dealing with those who truly feel dispossessed rather than their sovereign proxies has proved to be a case that isn't simply solved by dropping a shit-ton of blazing-hot metal on top of people looking to rally around the martyred. What's that thing about insanity that's attributed to Einstein? Ya know, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result?
like Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden & Hamburg. Calculated, ruthless overkill of thousands of innocent people. I say innocent people folks because, whatever anyone says about 9-11, this was not an attack on Amewrica's people but on its government...it's ruling party...its decision-makers. But, innocent people paid the price. So, we retaliated....might we regard the same retaliation from those countries we bombed and killed in the future as acceptable? I think we'll have to. Or else, we are hypocrites but them again, I think we'll all agree that American policy makers are just that anyway.
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