The KING of All Hypocritical Statements
By Nicole Belle Saturday Jul 11, 2009 8:00amGuess who said this?
“Congressman Sestak is a flagrant hypocrite in challenging my being a real Democrat when he did not register as a Democrat until 2006 just in time to run for Congress. His lame excuse for avoiding party affiliation, because he was in the [military] service, is undercut by his documented disinterest in the political process.”
Wait for it....
His "lame excuse"? Sestak was an admiral, and the military should be an apolitical organization, at least in functioning democracies. That Specter -- the sleaziest political opportunist in the entire US Senate (a mighty accomplishment, given the bunch that inhabit that place) -- would deign insult a real Democrat for not politicizing his military service is beyond the pale.
Call it a hunch, but self-examination and reflection doesn't appear to be a high priority for these politico types.
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"admiral, Arlen Specter, hypocrite, Joe Sestak, sestak"
Can't do nuthin' 'bout them.
Maybe term limits should be imposed on Senators and Congressman just as there is for the Office of President?
I have a theory on that.
1. Everyone from dog catcher to President is elected every four years and can stand for 3, four year terms.
2. Congressmen and Senators have to live in dorms and eat in a dining hall. Spartan and cost effective.
3. No junkets, no perks, nothing. They are obedient servants of their constituents and nothing more. They get paid the same ammount that public school teachers make.
4. All national elections are publicly financed. You can contribute up to $100 dollars on your tax return, candidates can raise no other money at all. Not even their own.
5. Political ads are illegal except for free ads that run for a week during the primaries and one week before the election.
6. We all vote on Sunday. If you don't vote you are fined.
There!
don't need term limits if we take the lobbyists out of the system and have public financing.
At least there's one more of us out there. We also need to do away with the electoral college and have instant run-off voting.
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Because a person who is willing to build a community and beat the streets will get elected.
Congress should be like jury duty used to be. Two weeks. Random selection. No staff. No constituent services. Twelve random citizens from each Congressional District.
That's what Flarduh did in 2000 and look what we got!
I'm a bit weary of the Florida/2000 jokes. I worked my ass off registering people to vote, etc.
I also worked as a volunteer poll worker in 2000, something I've done for years.
How was I supposed to know that Gov. Jeb Bush had already purged 46,000 legal voters, mostly minorities, and therefore mostly Dems, from the voter rolls? In all my years working the polls, I never saw an American turned away and denied the right to vote until the 2000 election. I saw it that day.
Or how was I supposed to know that Republican Supervisors of Elections in Seminole and Volusia Counties were commiting voter fraud. They were got and fined. So what? Bush still got in.
And Sec of State Katherine Harris? She was Jeb's tool.
The voters of Florida were no more responsible for the outcome of that election than we were responsible for the Republican Congressional staffers who were shipped into Miami by Bush, Cheney, Rove, Delay, Lott, Feeney, etc., to disrupt the recount. The Brooks Brothers mob, they were called. Our taxes paid for it and they got away with it.
Look how they were rewarded for overthrowing the election: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles...
The media, intent on putting Bush into the White House, did to the recount the same thing they did to Howard Dean's famous "scream"; they changed the subject. So, instead of looking at unbelievably rampant voter fraud by the Governor of the state, everyone focused on Palm Beach ballots and bleary eyes.
And still, it took the Supreme Court to get Bush in.
Don't blame Florida.
And now that he got away with it, Jeb is positioning himself as some kind of elder statesman for the party, instead of being convicted for the massive fraud he perpetrated.
And NOBODY is busting him on it. WTF is up with that??
Until we stop letting people take the offices they get through fraud, this will not stop.
Thank you for speaking up, Rooth. This is an issue I've thought about a lot too. Maybe you could get other poll workers together, contact Rolling Stone magazine, and get them to do interviews with you and others who were there?
The 2000 election is a huge national crime.
Or maybe we should just, you know, "not point the finger of blame" and "look to the future, not the past," and all like that.......
Amen!
The electoral college was necessary when a person had to walk across th U.S.
Today we fly (jet) across the counry.
Eliminate the electoral college.
NOW!
...isn't the problem. The only real problem with our electoral process is lack of informed participation from the public.
In my Poli Sci classes the Electoral College is taught as a means of insuring majorities. In fact it is a means of diluting the voice of the people.
...it is a means of ensuring that the voice of the people is heard. It helps prevent densely populated urban areas and/or political factions from dominating elections, and it forces candidates to broaden their messages.
It simply can NOT be like that. That notion -- to keep intense local bigotry from overwhelming the real voice of the people -- was the INTENTION of the electoral college, and since it's a concept of some nuance and sophistication, based on an advanced appreciation of social behaviors, it's far too logical for a soundbite. It MUST be wrong, you have to THINK about it.
You'll simply have to stop posting this sort of public thinking.We can't have anyone interpreting the original interpretation of the Constitution and the ideas of the people that imagined the first political system based on the choices and contributions of the people involved, and we CERTAINLY can't have anyone actually remembering what they SAID. Leave it to the colonheads. Go back to your reality shows.
(/snark)
They must buy their own health insurance and provide for their own retirement.
Do they have to buy their own food or is it a right to be fed by your constituents? It is a right to even eat.
Can I get a Halleluiah??!!??
Is there a firehose long enough that it'll reach under all the desks in the Senate?
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Term Limits. hahahahahahahah remember when frustrated Republicans used to whine about taking the vote away from the people? How did that work out for them?
How about Run-off voting, then my Nader vote would have eventually went to Gore. How about weekend voting?
Term Limits? Bawaahahahahhahah!
Sincerely,
XtoG
wa an Admiral, I believe he was a registered independant.
Sestak, aren't those the evil lizard men on the old "Land of the Lost"?
Not to be confused with Sleaze Stack, which was John Ziegler's college nickname.
republicanism is a mental illness and the only reason specter became a dem was to get elected again.
I for one think we would be better off to do away with the pollitical system as it now exists.
We are no better off then mexico whenit comes to government!
they call it bribes and we call it campaing contributions!
Spector is simply an unprincipled opportunist. He believes he has an "entitlement" to a seat in the Senate. Maybe he's right. Each and every election cycle the U.S. Senate is starting to resemble a House of Lords.
Obama's best bet now would be to back off of his original statement of support and say: "Sorry, Arlen, I changed my mind. It's time for you to retire."
Unprincipled opportunist? Ever think he might just be voting for what he believes in, and not the party line? Quite frankly you disrespect a majority of Pennsylvanians with that comment. We here in PA know an independant thinking politician when we see one and we could really care less about party affiliation. Switching parties is the mark of someone who is their own person and who knows when enough is enough. Thank goodness the president isn't as dumb as you would like him to be.
Sincerely,
XtoG
if Arlen believed as you say an independent think would then he would not have felt the need to switch parties, would he? I mean, if he really, truly was the person he has professed to be for the last gazillion years that's he's been in the Senate then that pesky little (R) after his name shouldn't matter.
My senator is Harry Reid and I've honestly had to stop defending him because sometimes there is no defense.
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You couldn't know it but I was born and raised in Pennsylvania, and lived there for about 45 years until about 3 years ago. All my family still lives there, and I'm only about 50 miles away from the border now. So spare me the lecture about the independence of Pennsylvania voters. I'm not buying it. They may be swing voters and that's not the same as being independent.
Compared to what other long-term Senators have done for their states, Specter has done crap for PA. Specter is for Specter, always has been and always will be.
Sincerely too.
This still means he has been a Democrat longer than Specter. I don't think seniority overrides bailing on your party like he did in the 70's.
Political opportunist thy name is Specter.
You stay classy, Senator Specter.
Do I chose a citizen who served his only citizenship country admirably.
Or do I want a duel citizen with divided loyalties? ( As his office refuses to confirm or deny that info. Where is his father buried?)
Who supports a nuclear free Middle East?
Sestak will destroy this old turd in the democratic primary.
And let me add this: "Stay out of this Senate race Obama!" I am sick of your republican-lite Clinton shit approach to government. Take Rahm, Timmy and Larry, who are exactly the DLC types who had nothing to do with YOUR election or the democratic landslide in congress (see Howard Dean, a REAL democrat) and stuff them!
Frankly, if a real democrat primaries you in 2012, I will vote for them over you anyday. Then you can go back to Illinois and contemplate what might have been had you not given in to the psychotic republicans the people threw out of office when you promised change. Dumbass!
specter doesn't want to just kick back and enjoy retirement, and the fact that he kicked cancer... enjoy his end days free of worry...
or, maybe he DOES need more of that government health care benefit...
something's eating at this brain to make such an outlandish comment...
Could someone please explain to me how Specter making the above comment makes him a hypocrite? Seriously does the writer of this post even know what the word hypocracy means?
Sleeze-stack takes a shot at Specter's party-loyalty, so Specter shoots right back. That's just the kind of thing the Dems need, someone who fights.
And who cares about party-loyalty, hell, party-loyalty is the problem not the solution. Just imagine if both parties had less party-loyalty we would probably already have universal health care by now.
You party-freaks are the real hypocrits, regularly voting for things you do not want due to party-love, or accepting no movement on issues you really care about because the other party might not like it.
Wake up people the two-party system is dead. And any vote for Slestack is just a vote to risk giving the Senate seat to a party-loyal republican. If I were a Republican I can think of nothing better than a resource wasting primary in an important state in which Arlen is going to win anyway.
Attacks on Specter like this are dumb, they aren't likely to move Arlen one-way or the other on any issue. As a Nader supporter, I'd rather have an independant Specter in there with his seniority fighting for PA than any wimpy Democrat, who can't even push through legislation that damn near 80% of the public wants on a variety of issues (public option on health care, DADT, Medical Marijuana, internet gambling, global warming, election reform, uneccessary wars, war on drugs, etc.) I'd take Specter before any blue-dog Dem any day of the week. (How 'bout these blue dogs who need threatened with money wasting ad campaigns to do what they know is right on the public option? Thanks alot Blanche and friends! You're no hypocrite, that's for sure.)
By making Specter an issue because he is simply responding to a childish attack by a contender that simply has no chance at all of winning this state, an attack that has nothing to do with any particular issue, you all are showing yourselves to be the rubes that thedailyhowler regularly identifies as the real problem with our political discourse.
You mean there wasn't any real topics to talk about today than calling an experienced, diplomatic and serious PA Democrat a hypocrit??
Really? This is the best thing you had to talk about today? Maybe it's time for the writer of this post to take a break for a while.
Let me ask you this, Nicole, Is what Specter said wrong? or inaccurate? Can you see how Specter's response is not hypocritical at all since he is responding to an attack by simply pointing out that Slestack isn't quite the party-guy you guys seem to think he is?
Slestack says- Specter you're no party-guy, Specter says, you aren't either. Where's the hypocracy? And quite frankly let's all rejoice in politicians who vote for what their constituants want as opposed to what the party wants.
The hypocracy charge has died a little with this ridiculously unwarrented, short-sighted and simply incorrect post.
Respectfully,
XtoG
If you can't figure this one out on your own, there is no point in trying to explain it to you.
Some things need no explanation. This is one of them.
Do we also need to explain to you how "holier than thou" republicans Ensign and Sanford are world class hypocrites?
As for "party types" being the problem; they are not nearly as bad as you clueless, so-called independents, who after eight years of George W. Bush and the GOP's radical corporate fascist agenda, still cannot figure out who the real creeps are.
The democrats may suck, can't fight ya' on that one. But the republicans who exist now, are the suckiest sucks whoever sucked!
There is no comparison in the level of suckitude between the two parties. Goper's win hands down!
really, how does Specter's response to be called out by Slestak make him the hypocrite? Clearly, Specter's calling Slestak a hypocrite has substance, because Slestak himself only became a Dem in 2006. But, please tell me how this comment above makes Specter a hypocrite.
"Some things need no explanation"? Pardon me but when a presumable Dem like Nicole copies and Paste's Kos' hyper partisan BS (The same Kos that continually dissed Nader, but loved Edwards the cheater, due to partisan BS) an explanation is warrented.
Dem calls anaother Dem hypocrite? No explanation needed. Republicans getting their work done for them. Way to go party-idiots.
Sincerely,
XtoG
Arlen, or one of his hacks? You probably realized how silly the above all sounded after you posted it, right?
Arlen Specter has a track record for being a shithead. If you want to tear down the 2 party system, be my guest, I hear ya bro, I feel the same. But Specter isn't the tool I'd be sticking up for in that effort. He is the EPITOME of party politics, and he has proven he'll jump ship when things aren't going his way. And he's beholden to big money.
Be insulted all you want because he's your guy, but the facts are, Arlen Specter doesn't give a shit about PA. He's about the power. He'll do what it takes, even abandon his constituency, if he gets an offer more attractive to him.
Besides he's in his dotage. It's time to clear all these old school party paleo assholes out of there.
Q. Why is it that attacks on Specter never have specifics, and always seem to have to bring up the Single-bullet nonsense?
A. Because those who bash Specter are modern day know-nothings.
Dems bash Nader, Dems bash Specter,...say hello to becoming the next disappearing political party in America, Dems! Anyone look at the new poll that has people IDing with Dems/Reps at barely over 50% -- I didn't think so.
You guys have no idea what is in store with Slestak. Will Slestak help you on illegal wiretaps, corporate welfare, wars run amok, minimum wage, busting people for torture, union issues, liberty issues, women's issues, health care? Will Slestak have ANY abiltiy to get votes from the other side of the isle? Quite frankly you guys have no idea what Slestak is about. Who is bankrolling the guy? Progressives? Yeah, right.
Party-people are the problem, real diplomats like Specter are the solution. In PA party is simply not that important, we vote for the issues and the person, that is why Specter is still representing us, not because he is said to be a political opportunist (what a terrific invective to use against a politican, by the way he's also meglomaniacal, as opposed to those hundreds of other politicians). In fact these are the only charges ever made against Nader too, rarely if ever do we see a Dem point out why Nader is wrong on the issues (just take a read of Nader's latest at commondreams and someone tell me what is there that is objectionable) -- because he is not.
Nicole's post is not only wrong (Specter is not a hypocrite for responding to Slestak's sleeze), but it's bad politics. The guy joins your party, signs on to some of it's most important current issues, and what does he get in return, a bunch of groundless ad hominems from people who don't even know what they're talking about. Nicole's Nader-bashing in the past ran along similar lines.
PA knows Specter is a standup guy, even it's Dems and independants like me know this, which is why he will win resoundingly and all this piss and vinegar spraying at him will have been for nothing -- wasting money, effort, and energy that could best be spent in other states. It's the Yippie movement all over again and boy must the Reps be loving the fact that Nicole and others above are doing their work for them.
The anti-Specter crowd is the Republican's dream. Why would any other Republican even think about switching parties after seeing how Specter has been treated? Dem outreach needs some work. Funny for such party-lovers to be so oblivious to the ol Ronnie Regan rule about bashing those in your own party, while idiots in the senate call Franken a clown w/o Dem response, and fail to defend the House Speaker when she correctly indicates that the CIA lies to congress, and watch the media go on a week long jihad about whether Obama was looking at some girl's *ss. Cowards where it matters, Henry the fifth when it comes to meaning less drivel.
And again, the person writing this is more liberal than most any of you on here, and votes Dem 95% of the time (Harken is my favorite senator, but of course when he ran for pres. he was just too liberal), but will never become a Dem in large part because of this Nose cutting despite Face BS that many of you above are embarrassing yourself with.
Again I ask, what is hypocritical about Specter responding to charges about party loyalty, by claiming Slestack is a hypocrite?
Did Slestak really just become a Dem in 2006? Doesn't that worry any of you? Who is Slestak a political newbie -- to challange Specter's party affiliation. The same Specter who was an original Dem, before the Dems went all. And let's face it using the military as an excuse is out and out BS.
Slestak has no chance this election cycle in PA, it's as simple as that. And those of you who snarkily bash Specter will be the first to give him back-handed compliments when he is there for you with votes on your favorite issues. Sucks to be you. Sucks to be party-idiots. The founders wanted and deserve better than this.
Sincerely,
XtoG
PS. Oh and by the way one of the most import topics in AMerican politics is election reform. Here any Democratic movement on that issue? DC statehood, verifiable balloting, run-off elections? chirp,....chirp,....chirp
The Single Bullshit Theory
about 'The Single Bullshit Theory,' and if you knew her, you would know how deeply she will appreciate it. She will adopt it and make it her own...I will probably do the same...
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what 40 or 50 years? to a subject that is utterly meaningless in today's politics to substantiate this ridiculous charge?
Your response is a great testiment to the idea that he is in fact not a hypocrite.
When Specter had shown himself to be one of the only Republicans to buck their party line, I guess he was a hypocrit then too. If so, then bring us more hypocracy.
Sincerely,
XtoG
I wonder if Specter really believes in his "theory".
doesn't appear to be a high priority for these politico types"
Isn't a complete lack, or even a revulsion, for self-examination and reflection also a criteria for sociopathic narcissists?
And two threads down we have the Queen Of All Hypocritical Statements?
Obama and Biden have pledged to campaign for Specter.
Won't that be fun to watch?
that being a politician was synonymous with being a hypocrite!
:o)
XtoG reminds me of another poster, Sincerely, O'Ghouly. (Or some name like that.)
He did not use the military as an excuse. In fact, most people in the military are registered as Independents. They serve our nation and not any political party.
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