John McCain's Twitter Bus Wheels Go Round and Round
By nonny mouse Thursday Jul 09, 2009 2:00pm![]()
I’ve only recently joined the Twitterati, http://twitter.com/nonnythemouse and not being the most technologically proficient of folks, accidently hit the ‘yes’ button to something that obviously must have read, ‘you don’t have any friends, you loser, so how about adding these twenty random people to your contact list?’ One of them, for some unfathomable reason, was Senator John McCain. I’ve managed to pare down my ‘friends’ list to… well… mostly actual friends, but I’ve kept Sen. McCain on the list out of the same morbid curiosity that has me reading Red State’s emailed newsletter on a regular basis.
This morning, my Twitter box had a tweet (give me a break, I’m still learning the slang!) from Sen. McCain which said, ‘Vote on my amendment to eliminate $6 mill in wasteful govt subsidy to private bus companies for GPS systems - need to stop wasteful spending.’
Hmmm… thought I. Let’s go see what this is all about.
Other than the mention on Twitter, I haven’t had much success, even on the senator’s own website, in finding much about an amendment to axe funding for GPS systems in busses. . A general Google search pulled up a plea by Peter J. Pantuso, the President and Chief Executive Officer of the American Bus Association, urging his members to petition members of Congress to reject a White House budget proposal that would eliminate $10 million a year to private bus operators from a national security program. The Obama administration considers the cuts justifiable as ‘the awards are not based on risk assessment, and the homeland security investments in intercity bus security should be evaluated in the context of the risks faced and relative benefits to be gained.’
But nothing specifically about Global Positioning Systems for busses.
In March of 2006, Mr. Pantuso addressed the US House of Representatives Committee on Transportation regarding the perceived need for security measures for the bus industry, a transit system that carries more people in two weeks than Amtrak transports in a year, and nearly 800 million passengers a year, more than all the passengers of airlines and rail services combined. Obviously, our nation’s bus transit system, both public and private, is an important component in mass transportation – which I personally would like to see more government support for rather than subsidies and tax breaks for oil companies.
But over the last decade, just about anything to do with government funding or subsidies of anything whatsoever for the benefit of the public sector had to be tied into that enormous sacred cow, ‘national security’: firefighters doing obligatory counter terrorist training in order to qualify for funding for emergency communication systems or better rescue vehicles, night-vision cameras on police helicopters more useful to picking out carjackers than al Qaeda sneaking through the hedges in our backyards, and even the FBI has had to become creative in linking more mundane investigations like telemarketing fraud or tracking down meth labs or sports bribery to counterterrorism and the War on Terror.
Our public transportation system, like our health care system, is a sorry joke in comparison to those in too many other Western countries. And Mr. Pantuso is probably quite sincere in his plea for better security on our nation’s busses – but the bottom line is, even our public transportation system has to beg for funding by making that all important six degrees of separation to terrorism. So Mr. Pantuso did what everyone else who goes to Washington with cap in hand has had to do – he asked for money to fund training bus drivers, dispatchers and even mechanics in ‘threat assessment’ and ‘crisis management’, communication systems, driver shields, bus stop cameras, ‘wands’ to scan passengers, and – yes – GPS systems.
The amount of money we’re talking about here isn’t all that significant in the grander scheme of things – a subsidy amounting to six cents per passenger in comparison to the subsidies granted to commercial airlines of $4.32 per passenger and $46.06 per Amtrak train passenger. However, I can see where CCTV at every bus stop in America or ‘wands’ to scan every bus passenger is not only unfeasible, it’s an intrusive invasion of privacy. A savings of $10 million may be just a drop in the bucket in the vast ocean of debt the Obama administration is attempting to navigate, but it’s still $10 million that could be better spent elsewhere…
…except for maybe the GPS system. Because while it may or may not be useful to national security for bus operators to know in ‘real time’ the status and location of all their motorcoaches, it is a significant factor in reducing financial costs to running a public transit system. With a GPS system, precise real-time arrivals at bus stops can be accurately computed, minimizing wait times for passengers, which would well be appreciated for those using public transport users shivering at bus stops in winter, 6 degrees below freezing with a wind chill factor of a lot colder. Transit authorities, particularly those who operate on a rural on-demand system, a GPS information system is essential to designing a flexible and dynamically more efficient bus schedule, improving operational efficiency as well as customer service. GPS is a proven cost-efficient way to overcome the limitations of the traditional static dead reckoning and signpost technologies. You can read an excellent study of this system in the on-line edition of GPS World, ‘Where’s My Bus’. The article covers the practical applications but doesn’t mention counter-terrorism or national security, and is perhaps a bit heavy on the mathematical equations as it’s written by Professor Ahmed El-Rabbany, PhD, of the New Brunswick and York Universities and his research doctoral student, Mahmoud Abd El-Gelil of York University in Canada…
…oh wait. Those are Arabic-sounding names. Even worse, they’re working for Canadian universities.
That definitely isn’t going to fare well with the American obsession to tie everything into Homeland Security and counter-terrorism. Scratch that idea..
A quick look at McCain’s Facebook page (login req'd) and this bold, mavericky move to oppose GPS systems in busses is gaining followers, judging by such erudite and rational comments from readers as: “Well after all bus companies tend to cater to certain minorities that happen to be much more taken care of than the typical white person. Don’t you know, it’s a sin to be white,” (thus making GSP somehow a racial issue), and “They have managed for years without them, if they feel they need one, they can buy themselves one!” (the logic here seeming to be related to the same mentality that objects to taxes being used to fund artificial limbs for our Iraqi vets, just because I don’t happen to need one), to the more succinct and pithy, ‘Socialism at its finest!” and that all-time favourite trump card, “Obama SUCKS.”
Yup, all very persuasive, ya betcha.
Frankly, any savings that can be made in the national budget – big or small – is welcome. Cutting the $10 million subsidy for CCTV cameras and security ‘wands’? I don’t have a problem with that. But that fraction of the budget that would be spent on GPS systems for our public transportation system?
It’s not glamorous. It’s not terribly controversial, even. It’s certainly not about counterterrorism, but it is cost-effective and useful.
So sorry, Senator McCain. I’ll keep you on my Twitter list. But on the issue of subsidizing GPS for busses, I’m afraid I’m all for keeping the wheels on my bus going round and round…
crossposted at Mouse Musings.








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and will never use public transport, so to him, keeping track of all the crap for 'the little people' IS a waste of money in his aged myopic eyes.
McCain looks like he ate too much cheese. I can't stop laughing.
if he strains too hard.
'cutting the cheese' to me
His tweets are nothing but boring and I highly doubt he personally writes them
after jeering at him by repeatedly calling him a bot, "he" asked what I wanted. I asked my question, and he never responded.
He's a fool. a mildly amusing fool
If these buses are ever used to evacuate people before or after a hurricane hits, GPS devices could be very fu*king helpful. Wonder if John ever considered that.
John doesn't consider anything. It's not mavericky to consider.
The wheels came off McCain's bus when he let Palin jack it up.
You just gave me a very undesirable visual with that comment. Now where did I put my brainwash..
Regardless of the how little this cost the budget, every little bit helps. A hundred thousand of these little expenditures add up. This is completely wasteful. GPS on buses paid for by us? My brother-in-law has been a bus driver for 20 some years without GPS. This is absolutely wasteful. Just raise my taxes to pay for it? The companies need to pay for this not you or me. Raise fairs not my taxes. Keep spending and spending and the name tax and spend will continue to stick.
The funds are given to private bus companies to install GPSs on buses used in public transit systems. If there is a net savings that would save your munincipality's funds (derived from local taxes), would you then support it? This seems like an appropriate role of federal government since local governments don't have the wherewithal to implement an industry-wide technology upgrade like this.
They always scream "this will save $$$$$", but the savings go into the pockets of the companies, not us.
i have to say, I agree with 95% of the stuff posted here. But every now and again you get post like this that is one of the reasons three weeks ago I changed my voter registration from Democratic to Independent. Let me say this nice and loud...
WE HAVE TO QUIT SPENDING!!!
We are going to come to a point where 50% of our income goes to taxes to pay for crap like this (it already does if you include sales tax, utility taxes etc...) I agree with health care, roads, helping the poor with energy, food in schools for kids who are hungry etc...and will gladly pay my share, but this is too much.
but just off the top of my head, here's a couple things I can think of...
As a disabled person who can't drive, I'm very familiar with buses, so I've seen a few things.
I've seen new drivers in training, learning a new route. In one case we riders had to tell him where to go, he took wrong turns, we we over an hour late on the route.
At other times riders leaning new routes have had veterans riding along with them. How much per bus per GPS unit, compared with the salary of the ride-along driver (and likely overtime, since they are doing it in addition to their normal route)
Just a possibility.
Another possibility, some systems are trying to gear up to have all vehicles tracked, so people waiting for buses know how long before the next one, etc., via the web and interactive signs at the stops. Increased predictability = increased ridership = increased efficiency = decreased costs. Could this be a part of that?
Just saying, there are possible advantages and benefits... so before having a knee-jerk reaction, it's best to get the details of what exactly this program is and is for, who gets the cash, etc.
and buy a map for each bus? Why in God's name would a bus driver need a GPS system for a standard route? This is like Shumer announcing today that he is introducing legislation next week that will establish a bank account containing $500 for every baby born in this country. He speaks of "thrift," and allowing parents to contribute up to $2000 per year of their own money, and in some cases making yearly contributions of up to $500 from the taxpayers. This additional contribution would be for those below the median income level. Congress must find a way to fund this, and this will cost several billion per year. Info from Albany Times Union, page 3, July 9, 2009. What the hell is he trying to distract us from, I ask you?
In transit buses is used among other things to track the buses, and also for the system that yells out the correct stop.
That's another good point - the system that announces the next stop.
Why is the important? The disabled. They rely in buses, and many need that announcement to be able to get around well.
Is GPS worth it for that? Yes.
theoretically, which means the transit system isn't working. People are late for work, doctor's appointments, legal matters, dinner, etc. A GPS system also allows the bus to be tracked in case of an emergency. It might also allow transit systems to adjust bus schedules in real time, so you don't wait for a half hour and then get three buses in a convoy.
Furthermore, McCain's whining about $6 million. Compared with the trillions of dollars McCain and his friends have given away to corporate America, $6 million is a fly speck on a football field. This is demagoguery.
He showed all of us what a sleazebag he is in the campaign: put him on your ignore list.
I like a bit of insane amusement over my morning coffee!
was sponsored by McCain and backed by Obama. Here's a couple of news links to it.
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/azdc/57195
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/070...
a cell phone, from an economic viewpoint? ;)
Snip - "Most people don't realize it, but they're carrying a tracking device in their pocket," said Kevin Bankston of the privacy advocacy group Electronic Frontier Foundation. "Cellphones can reveal very precise information about your location, and yet legal protections are very much up in the air."
[ http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Paper_Federal_p... ]
Nice see you posting again, "nonny mouse".
Amended: They do have that H.R.4709 thing... but..."Exempts covered entities from such restrictions to the extent authorized by the Communications Act of 1934 (e.g., for billing, protection of property rights, or for emergency purposes)."
[ http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill... ]
Just leave it 'On'
After a hurricane a cell phone is useless. The towers are down or the service is wiped out by over use. I do know about these things. Been there, done that.
They're not being driven in the Himalayas or the Amazon.
... and North Dakota never has a blizzard, the Rockies are just a few hills, and cell phone coverage everywhere is perfect.
I'd love to live on your planet...
owns it? We're not talking Greyhound or Trailways or any other privately owned bus company are we?
It's a bus, on a road, in between towns. Save the wasteful spending like GPS and fund the rescue workers to find that bus. If their not looking for a bus they could use all that extra money on stuff like equipment. If the bus driver is dumb enough to lose his way, he shouldn't be driving a bus.
After this post I'm not sure I wanna ever ride a bus again. They sound so dangerous.
Not to mention hurricanes never strike in the deep south.
I'm betting gump has never tried to help evacuate a bunch of senior citizens when the wind is gusting well over a hundred miles an hour, it's raining so hard you can't see the ground, and all the evacuation routes are totally blocked with accidents. Not to mention the bus driver is going about three hundred miles north of the furthest inland he's ever been in his life and has only the vaguest idea how to get there.
A GPS on the public transportation busses would come in awfully handy in that situation. (This was a public transportation bus the city had sent to take them. I was only involved because I was asked to help by a friend that worked with the elderly.)
Cell towers get blown down in hurricanes, twisted over in earthquakes, shorted out in floods, and overloaded to the point of utter uselessness every time someone stubs a toe. Remind us how those are good in a natural disaster again.
They worked so well during Katrina and 9/11, right?
We also know people never have accidents in the evacuation routes so the busses can just take those. A horde of panicked people are the safest drivers in the world, everyone knows that. In most rural areas, getting off the evacuation route can take you a hundred miles out of the way if you don't know where you're going.
I could actually see the busses being equipped with GPS as being far MORE usful than 99% of the crap pushed through as anti-terrorism spending. You know, speaking as someone that's actually helped evacuate something before.
Or are we just talking about the conservative "principle" of "I got mine, everyone else can suck it." here?
July 10, 2006
Snip - A zeppelin will replace all the terrestrial mobile phone antennas in Switzerland - if a Swiss inventor has his way.
Not only would the technology, called High Altitude Platform Systems (Haps), make the current 1,000 earth-bound antennas redundant, it would drastically reduce radiation.
[ http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/feature/detail/Mo... ]
Probably won't happen in the US because too many folks have their fingers in the cell-tower pie.
useful. I understand they can be used for GPS tracking even when they're turned off.
I should do more, I know. First time I've done a Mouse Musings post on my own blog in... almost a year. I'm a bad blogger... bad, BAD blogger... LOL
Your integrity, I've not forgotten. ♥
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My Twitter list is growing like mad as well...
Just kidding.
You do NOT want to depend on a cell phone company to track you in an emergency. That isn't what it's designed for, and you may or may not be able to get assistance from the company. I worked for the PD for too many years to believe that leaving it in the hands of a cell provider is a good idea.
A woman that had gone off an embankment called 9-1-1 on her cell phone. Despite the fact that she was stationary, and on the phone with the dispatcher the entire time, it took 3 hours for the cell company to locate her. She died before the ambulance arrived.
I took a call from a child one night who said his daddy had hurt his mommy with a knife and that she was bleeding. We were given a "pinpoint" location - that had the call coming from the middle of the interstate. Luckily, we also received a call from a neighbor after the woman made it out of the house. She was almost a quarter mile from the position the cell phone company gave.
Or how about Kelsey Smith, abducted from a parking lot one afternoon? The cell phone company would not give the police the tracking information from her phone for FOUR DAYS. They had it, but said they couldn't divulge it due to "privacy concerns." The teenager was found within 1 1/2 hrs after the police were finally given the info - tortured, raped and murdered, and left in the woods.
We have this in San Francisco already, and having GPS systems on the busses gives us riders a serious advantage - we know when the busses are coming to our stops. The GPS system is used to relay information to displays at the bus stops (or to our cell phones) which tell us how long it will be before the next bus arrives, and the bus after that.
Like volcano monitoring, it's worth every penny.
Not you or I. Put GPS, ABC, DDT on any bus you want. I just don't think I should be paying for a private companies equipment.
... when you've got a government that is selling off its public service sectors to private companies, then you lose all the benefits of having a public service. Some things shouldn't be a matter of strictly private market force driven capitalism... like, say... hospitals, police, fire departments, schools, road maintenance, and public transportation. But it is.
Market forces make the bottom line, not public benefit, the - well - bottom line. So if a bus company has to raise its rates to pay for better equipment, the burden in on the public, who take less buses, and the revenue goes down, so the company raises the rates... vicious circle. If small subsidies from the government help these sort of companies, it not only provides a more desirable service for the paying customer, it provides more jobs for drivers, controllers, mechanics, computer operators, people who build and maintain roads, all sorts of good things.
$6 million for a GPS system that not only makes a bus company more efficient and saves petrol, but might even help save someone's life some time if a tyre blows out and a bus is stranded in a snowstorm where (as was pointed out) cell phone coverage might not work? That's pretty good money spent.
I don't know the answer, but I know that the one I ride every day isn't. This is one of those things where government works. It isn't perfect, but it does work.
They were easy and inexpensive -- until The Tory Privatisation Plan. Now even though the Blair Govt won with the biggest margin in memory, they just kept up with the Tory plans -- not unlike a president who is leading a country in which I happen to reside.
You give them a hand, they take an arm. They ask for more. It's GPS on US roads that are traveled by the same company the same routes. Their not taking the buses of road. One company, installs GPS and raises rate, the other doesn't and keeps their prices the same. I'm taking the one without the GPS to take me from Pittsburgh to Cleveland. It's called free market and competition.
Government spending has it's limits. Some people don't understand these limits. Funding for health care is a must. funding for people who can't afford food, heating fuel, housing, education is a must. We have two options. Fund crap like this and raise taxes on people like me who can't afford it , or cut it. Give me your email, I got a list 5 pages long of things that are taxed by the federal and state governments that easily takes 50% of our income. Doesn't that bother you? Things like cell phones, regular phones, heating fuel, registering your car, being forced to have it inspected, Buying a house, paying tolls on roads, a basic sales tax, television, alocohol, cigarettes, (I agree with the last two), property taxes (School, county and local). We have a hotel tax, tax on gambling winnings over $300.00. My garbage collection. THEY TAX MY PIZZA!!!! <--that one pisses me off.
You have to pick and choose. I work 50 hours a week, but I get paid for 25 hours after I pay my taxes and buy stuff I need. Enough!
business is declining, raise your prices is just ridiculous. How about this one: Expect a little less profit and drop your prices to encourage more business. That one might actually work without any government/taxpayer subsidies. If a business cannot make it on its own, it should die a natural death and make way for new blood. Law of the jungle.
By that logic, let's make all schools private. Why should I pay for other people's kids to go to school if I don't have a kid? Hell, people should just pay for their OWN damned kids, and if they don't have enough money for a decent private school, with well-trained teachers and modern equipment, well, that's just their tough luck, slackers should go out and get better jobs to put their kids through primary school...
And you'll end up with a nation full of poor people with no educational skills, regardless of how smart these kids might be on merit, and a few elite who can shove idiots like George W. Bush through an ivy league university...
Which is perilously close to what we already have. I'll say it once again: CERTAIN PUBLIC SERVICES SHOULD NOT BE IN THE HANDS OF PRIVATE COMPANIES! That includes hospitals, police, firemen, schools, and public transportation. This let them eat cake attitude is killing us.
Gump, You really should get a grip before you just go off. your portion of a 6 million dollar budget item is way less than a penny. Are you telling me that the benefits this would provide to public safety, convenience, and efficiency is not worth a penny to you? Even if you don't personally use public transportation, are you that stingy or self centered that you can't cough up less than a penny to help your neighbors?
Now the real waste in this scenario is the private bus companies. In my opinion municipalities have no business farming out services like this to private companies. When the services could be provided for less money while providing better paying jobs and a higher quality service to the public if the service was publicly owned.
"Gump, You really should get a grip before you just go off. your portion of a 6 million dollar budget item is way less than a penny."
The point is foolish spending adds up. This is just one funding that adds to the overall taxation. Yes I am that "stingy and self centered" to say the hell with funding private bus companies to put GPS on their buses. I have better things to give my paycheck to. Like health care, housing and education. You don't have to be a dick about it. When will too many taxes and funding be enough? I'll help my neighbor get health coverage an education and food, but not a useless transportation device.
dimed to death?" Perhaps I just don't see what GPS systems on municipal buses will do. Don't most of them run in cities or between towns situated close to each other? What am I missing here?
... public transportation. That is only for godless commie faggie Euros.
We're 'murikans. We like our public transportation inefficient, filthy and unsafe... damn it!
It's public transportation run by a private company for profit. They need to use their private money to upgrade their vehicles if they want. It's not up to you or me to pay for for it.
Where is this place with privately owned public shit? I'm in Seattle, and it's all publicly owned.
Blackwater. Extrapolate as you will. And isn't this just something else to distract from the health insurance issue?
For now, it's Seattle, it'll change. These companies are taking away union jobs from school bus drivers. Many schools are now outsourcing their busing to non union companies instead of busing their school kids. These are the people you want to support with your tax dollars? We're turning our backs on the school bus drivers who are union but we want to help them equip their buses?
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This comment shows you really have no understanding of how these things work.
Public transportation is subsidized for a reason. The "profit" is just a contract they are paid for. The system itself isn't expected to be profitable.
Public funds also pay for the wheelchair lifts on the buses... and for the buses themselves, generally.
"Public funds also pay for the wheelchair lifts on the buses... and for the buses themselves, generally."
So they make a profit and pay their CEO's millions yet still things like "The Lift", needs donations to keep running. I hate those fund drives. It's so hard to say no. this recession is killing me.
The Lift is one those public wheelchair lifts you speak of. They don't get funding for it, they are required to have it or they don't get the contract and get fined.
It strikes me that this is a great scam they have going...
You have a public transportation system, a great service that has many benefits. But they don't like it, because they drive SUVs, and fuck the poor people and the disabled... so they want to get rid of public transportation.
They've learned they can't openly say "fuck the poor people" though, so Frank Luntz tells them to say "government is inefficient! let private companies run things, they know what they are doing!"
Sounds great. So the public system is handed over to a private company to run. Ka-ching.
Next step - suddenly the things that are understandably subsidized in a public system - disabled access, non-profitable routes that serve disadvantaged communities, require public subsidies of the now-private operators.
Frank Luntz "Tax giveaways to private companies!!!! OMG!!!!"
So that's eliminated.
Step by step you get rid of what you couldn't honestly get rid of in the first place. Now you're in the GOP heaven where anything that isn't FINANCIALLY PROFITABLE is not worth doing.
Being disabled isn't profitable - fuck the disabled. Etc.
welfare every day, and this is actually useful.
Also, the "I don't want to pay for it because I'm not going to use it" theory of community and taxation is neither evolved nor kind. In fact, it's very Republican.
I used to ride a bus line that ran once every never and it would have been great to have some kind of idea when it was going to arrive so I could get to the bus stop without having to wait and hour or more for the bus to arrive.
But Republicans are no interested in helping someone who rides the bus, because they feel if you were worth anything you would have bought an expesive SUV to ride around aimlessly in. If we could convince them that we are transporting snowflake babies around then money would be no object (except that they really don't support fetus rights either, it's all just Republican BS)
And Gump up there really lived upto his name, huh? can I ask, do you ride public transportation Gump?
Exactly - and that predictability means increased ridership which means better efficiency.
Where I live the local transit authority is in control of the lucrative airport, the lucrative waterfront property, etc... and they were forced by law to be responsible for the bus system. They don't WANT to be responsible for it - it's in the city, black people ride it, its not glamorous and profitable and suburban McMansion-owning white guy desirable, which is the makeup of the board...
So they make it inefficient... they eliminate well-used routes in favor of poorly planned ones that dont go by any residences or businesses... and when the ridership predictably drops, they use that as an excuse to cut suburban routes altogether... they collude with Galleria owners to keep inner-city minorities away from suburban malls... etc.
A good public transportation system helps the whole community, and GPS can be an effective part of that.
So does this money buy GPS for private companies that operate public transportation under contract, or does it just go to private bus companies like Greyhound and Trailways?
THATS the keey thing.
to make laws that mandate a good public transportation system, rather than this nonsense. What corporation makes the GPS's that will be sold? Who have they paid off, besides McCain? Or McCane as we should call him out of respect for his advanced age.
The first instant that John McCain will become interested in improving the efficiency of any bus system is ten seconds after he becomes dependant on one for his own transportation. Then he won’t merely be in favor of GPS, but also butt-warming reclining seats, footrests, attendants serving free drinks, a free pass for members of the senate, and mudflaps.
i spent a little time and found the "over-the-road bus security" addendum has been around for about 5 years. it started as part of the dhs budget at $12 million. it is for bus companies (over-the-road, not local city busses) like "greyhound", "orange stages", "trans texas" or any of probably hundreds of small regional carriers throughout the country. the money this year, as in the past, are grants to help with security issues - driver 2-way radios, closed circuit cameras in terminals, emergency training, etc. it seems to me that the amount ($6 million out of $356 million) is miniscule at the very least and a good investment in our over-all security.
why senator mccain and president obama chose this particular item as a point of contention escapes me.
i feel it is money well spent. five years ago it was $12 million, this year it is $6 million. have the five intervening years made us less vulnerable? i think not.
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