Al the Plumber supports Obama!
Plumbing must be the most popular profession in the United States today after no less than two dozen references last night to John McCain's new BFF, "Joe the Plumber." NBC's Milwaukee affiliate, TMJ4, caught up with another plumber who has what I believe a more realistic view on the election.
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average income for a plumber is around $43,000. There's no question that any plumber making that much money (or 5x that amount) is better off under Barack Obama's tax plan. Furthermore, middle class folks are more likely to add that extra bathroom or redo their kitchen when they finally get some relief. In the case of "Joe the Plumber", as the Senator articulated last night, he will get tax credits for the new jobs he creates. Also, and this is something I fault Obama for failing to mention, his health care plan will help to dramatically reduce costs for employers whereas McCain's "plan" will levy an additional tax. In other words, taxes can't simply be viewed through the prism of income taxes. There are other areas where Barack will cut taxes that will, in the end, be a net gain for someone in "Joe's" position.
Weren't "plumbers" important in another election a few years back? Something about "plugging a leak" comes to mind.
Began as a group to stop leaks of classified information during the Nixon administration but branched into a break-in at Democratic National HQ in the Watergate Hotel (that's why we now tag "gate" onto any scandal, such as Troopergate, etc.) to steal campaign secrets. Eventually the federal investigation ended with the resignation of Nixon, the only president to have done so. G. Gordon Liddy was part of the group and was associated with McCain, I do believe. The Washington Post coverage of Watergate made the careers of Woodward & Bernstein.
As for Joe the Plumber, he does not have a plumbing license in the state of Ohio, according to CNN. He is no real plumber. The plumbers' union has endorsed Obama.
McCain said he "paid his debt to society." So why is it OK for McCain to hang around with a conspirator, but not for Obama to sit on a board with William Ayers, whom the right accuses of being unrepentant, just as Liddy is? IOKIYAR!
Unlike Liddy who actually served time Ayres who tried to kill people with bombs got off on a technicality.
Actually the amazing thing about the Weather Underground is that they *never* killed any innocent people! The only people who ever died was when one of their bombs accidentally went off when it was being made. Terrorists kill people - these folks blew up property specific targets that they felt were related directly to the Vietnam war effort.
Guess Who’s On ACORN’s Registration List? Joe the Non-Plumber!
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=4068
I see no list and no proof, show me the factual proof or it didn't happen
Are people going to research this so called plumber Al? Pull the tax returns, check for a license, see who he is related too, maybe he is an Obama plant.
Whatever is good for the goose is good for the gander, is it not?
This just goes to show how this is the year that media has died in America.
That's good, right? Because the media were liberal anyway.
I have the license
This must be why the Plumbers and Pipe-fitters Union endorsed Barack Obama!
Friday, October 17, 2008; Page A24
THE NOMINATING process this year produced two unusually talented and qualified presidential candidates. There are few public figures we have respected more over the years than Sen. John McCain. Yet it is without ambivalence that we endorse Sen. Barack Obama for president.
The choice is made easy in part by Mr. McCain's disappointing campaign, above all his irresponsible selection of a running mate who is not ready to be president. It is made easy in larger part, though, because of our admiration for Mr. Obama and the impressive qualities he has shown during this long race. Yes, we have reservations and concerns, almost inevitably, given Mr. Obama's relatively brief experience in national politics. But we also have enormous hopes.
More here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
According to Olberman, Joe the non-Plumber makes about $40,000 year, he wasn't trying to buy his boss's business, his boss's business isn't for sale, and it makes about $100,000/year not the $250-280,000/year JTP stated. Since Joe's credibility is in the toilet, America needs a new plumber and Al seems like the right guy!.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27229...
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
If Joe's boss is an S-Corp, it may be that Joe's boss pays himself a salary and the business nets $100k. We don't know if the boss' salary is $-0- or $500k. There just isn't enough information.
u know politics their way wild i`m just al`s discount plumbing trying to make a living licensed and insured thanks for the good word! Al
What does Dick the ditch digger have to say?
No offense, but could you send one of those $43,000 a year plumbers out to the Hamptons? I could sure use one. I think they make $43,000 a month out here. (And I'm not one of the idle rich who can afford that, I'm a native)
OT: Sarah Palin will be on SNL this Saturday.
Desperation.
I call "boycott."
Say it loud, and say it proud.
BOYCOTT!!!!
So anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view should be boycotted?
So much from free speech eh?
Some people are too dumb to understand that BOYCOTTING is also practicing FREE speech.
Yeah, I know you can't wrap your pinhead around that idea, but you're a wingnut, and you are thinking impaired.
Now, seeing as how I've already lost you, here's a little more that you won't be chewing on:
Free Speech pertains to the GOVERNMENT not interfering in public speech.
The GOVERNMENT is not supposed to CENSOR the public - that's what free speech means.
Now, I leave you to go back to drinking out of your toilet, something you CAN understand.
Wow. Some people wouldn't know what free speech was if it were to bite them squarely in the arse.
I am also quite certain that you don't know what boycott means either.
Sarah Palin has her right to appear in SNL and make a lame joke, we also have the right to boycott her appearance by not wasting our time watching her performing the fore mentioned joke.
Capice?
Why boycott? I'll gladly watch. An SNL appearance sure isn't going to redeem her failed candidacy.
She's already a parody of herself. Her appearance will just subtly highlight that fact.
And I REFUSE to watch! Whatever I see of that show it will be here in C&L.
I WILL NOT contribute to thier ratings that night!
Who will join me?
Will not watch!!
Will view clip here in C&l
Do not contribute to the ratings of SNL that night!
He only worked on residential projects. And Al is a hell of a lot more believeable than Joe. At least Al has his own vehicle and tools. Joe doesn't even have a license. So even if he were to buy his own business, he'd have to get a license. A plumber's license and an electrician's license are the two hardest to get.
And besides that, Al isn't related to Charles Keating's son-in-law so he's just going to have to make it on his own.
Poor guy. But I'd hire Al before I'd hire joe.
Listening to the NBC evening news tonight, Mrs. Greenspan said that McCain had planned to bring "Joe" to all his campaign events over the next several days, but now they've backed away...
...seems Joe owes back taxes of somewhere around $1200.
So much for Joe's 15 minutes of fame.
From: MSNBC -‘Joe the plumber’ and Obama’s tax plan
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
Could it be that McCain did just as good a job vetting Joe the Plumber as he did with Sarah Troopergate Palin
I bet the roomful of deranged weasels that apparently plans McCain's Straight Poop Express thought this was going to be epic political theater.
Joe Sixpack Plumber would be their new mascot, like a dancing bear, trotted out at each stop to exhibit Mr. McCain's natural affinity for Ordinary Americans.
It would set the new tone for his campaign. T-shirts would be printed. Buttons would be pressed. Joe would sit on McCain's shoulders during speeches. Afterward, Joe would unclog the nearest drain, to cheering throngs.
And now this, darn it. Joe's been outed as a fraud. With Sarah the Attack Poodle neutered, and Joe the Plumber's Helper flushed down the tubes, what next?
Mimes for McCain? At least they can't say anything stupid.
When did Henry Rollins become a plumber?!
He does sort of look like Rollins...kind of hot butch dude.
This guy is also a real person, not that made up Joe.
Dave
Viet Vet & Gay Guy
The guy's a plumber and an amateur bodybuilder. Check it out http://www.bodybuilders.com/alank.htm
In all of my going on 50 years of being a political junkie I have never ever heard of this: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/i...
www.keloland.com/NewsDetail6162.cfm?Id=0,75126
Looks like McCain's little missie tryster is bringing the house down pappy's honor?
It reminds us of the famous clinton line: I did not have sex with that women!! Yeah right!
When they begin making these foolish claims, we know they're lying.
McCain's honor is ebbing with the american people - I believe Vicki Iseman surafcing at this time will help to discredit this old pappy for good.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics...
http://www.mahalo.com/Vicki_Iseman
I can't believe the traction this is receiving. I've received at least 8 email providing information on this affair between McCain and Vicki Iseman within the last 4 hours.
Here's more from yahoo.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_...
I think his little tryster is blackmailing him right now for more hush money, don't you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtw1_sgV_KE&fe...
Joe the Plumber (me) endorses Obama.
I tend not to take political advice from guys that can't even keep their pants up.
... at the idea that making 250K was "rich". To him it's peanuts.
My Brother-in-law is a plumber and he supports Obama!
So add "Ken the plumber" to the list.
This is footage out of Milwaukee. This TV station WTMJ is an arm of the newspaper here in Milwaukee (TMJ=The Milwaukee Journal). The journal is constantly being bashed by the right wing as a lefty paper, however this is not the case. Right wing points of view always get pushed more. WTMJ is also a radio station (AM 620) here. This station, without a doubt, is all right wing all the time. The TV station WTMJ is packed with right wingers also, although they are more stealthy at pushing it.
It is almost unbelievable this came out of Milwaukee. There is almost no pro Obama media here aside from NPR. I wonder what their motives are...
Yes, he is indeed more accessable than Queen Palin: http://brainrageblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/som...
Firstly, Bill Maher was on LK. Bill is always a treat.
Anderson Cooper has a hilarious segment with blogger Jessi Klein's e-mail of love to David Gergen (with DG's reactions on a splitscreen). AC360 got Ms Klein to make a video of her feelings and poor DG was blushing like a schoolboy.
Absolutely priceless and funny as hell!
I just happened to catch that clip on CNN. Hilarious.. Gergen is always the most serious of all of them. He's the brightest of them all.imo.
And so was the Obama/McCain roast of each other.
I haven't laughed that much at the idiot box in , I don't know how long.
Good Stuff.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
I agree. David Gergen is one of the more sensible ones and I like him a lot. He's got a great sense of humour and that's always a good thing.
Having a brother-in-law who has been a plumber all his life, having worked for a plumbing company myself in management, and now working for a general contractor, I know A LOT about the business.
Plumbers and many others in blue collar trades work under the table to earn extra income that is never taxed. My brother-in-law has supplemented his income working for cash under the table, after hours, his entire life. Many of the employees at the plumbing company I worked for did the same thing, using company tools and trucks, as long as they were never caught. It runs across the board from plumbers to electricians to HVAC technicians. It's a way of life.
I'll guarantee this "Joe Plumber" dude has done the same thing which makes anything he says questionable. There's a certain chance that he has cheated the laws of our country and made the rest of us who pay our taxes honestly a bunch of fools.
Forget the fact he will probably never make a net profit of $250K. What small business ever does?? Gimme a break! Take a look at his checking account for exorbitant cash deposits or at his life for unparallel spending vs. income.
Mc Lame gets burned again by his campaign's slipshod, boastful marketing and fatuous arrogance. Way to go, genius!
Thanks for the help!
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
JOE THE PLUMBER T-SHIRTS!
http://www.cafepress.com/obamawoo
http://skreened.com/joetheplumber
Yes, opportunistic, but they are just for fun! :) Enjoy!
Todd Palin needs to do us all a favor and never open his mouth ever ever again. The Lemon Report has the latest. lemonreport.blogspot.com
Why hasn't SNL revisited the whole "Tooooooooodddddddd" thing? Hmpf. Would be funny.
Meanwhile:
“A Coleman supporter said your signs are the wrong color and so is your candidate,” he said. “I told him that’s why we’re here.”
http://mnpublius.com/2008/10/todd-palin-palli...
They only draw hateful people to their rallies. It's "rally" sad.
Does anyone find it ironic the the MSM and liberal bloggers are doing more of a thorough background check of Joe the Plumber then of Obama?
Obama has been in the public eye for almost two years now undergoing every possible scrutiny and vetting. What rock did you just crawl out from?
Not true. The MSM has failed to investigate Obama on any level-school records, birth certificate, Ayers, Reverend Wright...ect. The list goes on. Supporting Obama, and sticking your head up your ass are two different things.
No, your head is up your ass. I surely hope you are not saying that the MSM didn't check out Reverend Wright. His birth certificate has been authenticated. School records? What the hell are you talking about other than the crap you read in the dumbass emails you are receiving.
Try http://www.factcheck.org , a non-partisan website, if you dare. Of course, I doubt you will. You're seem too ignorant to do any self-study and just grasp onto anything that you hear that feeds your self-serving needs. Mind you, the majority of us have read up on both candidates. We don't just "go with what mom and dad would have us do." We've made educated decisions about the candidates. That's what separates us from all other sides.
You make me sound like a C&L reader and a Liberal. Ha.
Like I said.
I really don't care who you vote for as long as you vote, but I am concerned that you rely on sources that are valid. I don't rely on C&L personally. Honestly, if I read something of interest, I search it out until I determine whether it's true or not. 99% of the time, C&L has it right. Sometimes they go a little too much to one side, but at least I AM doing something for myself. What are YOU doing? Posting random comments all over the web? Do you think you have it in you to agree to a reasonable and adult debate? Instead of childish behavior?
Here you go Holliday, check out the corporatist MSM scumbags who are helping Mc Lame's lie and deception machine:
www.mediamatters.org
Of course, if ignorance is bliss to you then keep listening to the swill that the ignorant hacks you listen to represent as fact. Have fun hanging with the circus freak show!
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Media Matters. Now thats an objective site. HaHa
Were you born dumb or did you evolve into such ignorance?
inherent (and already quite remarkable) stupidity.
So Obama has been able to fool Columbia University, Harvard University, The Harvard Law Review, a couple of state Bar Boards, The University of Chicago, The State of Illinois, and the United States Senate, right?
Either you are a new kind of stupid the levels of which the world has never seen before, or you are yet another desperate wing nut trying to sling their shit with their hands and see what sticks.
Sad and pathetic either way...
Obama's background is public. He's been vetted by all.
By this time I know Obama better than I now my wife.
speaking?
That the MSM vets Joe the Plummer more than the McCain campaign and the RNC vetted Sarah Palin.
What a moronic thing to post here. You think you'll get a choir of "Yeah! What about it?"s here?
We read, so we know about Senator Obama. Your objection over 'not knowing who Obama is' as if someone's been keeping something from you, shows you apparently don't get past the pictures in Tiger Beat and People Magazine.
me-oww!
I wonder if Joe the plumber is enjoying his 15 minutes of fame. He owes back taxes that the whole world is aware of now. He has claimed that he make $40,000 a year on his income tax (Actually we are not sure how little he actually claims) and told Obama that he makes $250,000 -$280,000 a year (the IRS is not going to like that). At least he can expect an audit by his friendly IRS office. That should pucker his sphincter. He has no plumbing license which should lead to a hefty fine. His employer will get fined and maybe run out of business thanks to Joe's big fucking mouth leaving Joe the Plumber without a business to buy.
Joe is a dipshit if nothing else.
"In other words, taxes can't simply be viewed through the prism of income taxes. There are other areas where Barack will cut taxes that will, in the end, be a net gain for someone in "Joe's" position."
I couldn't help but notice that you seem to think that the nuances are really important with President Obama's "tax plan".
In 1908, if you had placed a twenty dollar bill in a savings account, and allowed it to compound three percent interest annually over one hundred years, you would now have $384.00.
Sounds like a lot, doesn't it?
The problem is, if in 1908, you had decided to buy bread instead OF trying your hand at the interest "game", you could have bought... wait for it... FOUR HUNDRED LOAVES OF BREAD!
What's my point?
$384.00 won't buy the same amount of bread TODAY... that TWENTY DOLLARS could buy ONE HUNDRED YEARS AGO...
How can you possibly resolve the INHERENT unfairness of cutting taxes, borrowing from the Federal Reserve, and DOOMING OUR CHILDREN to pay for our avarice, with a continuously DEVALUING CURRENCY?
Talk about your "nuances" all you want.
The only thing WORSE than a "tax and spend" politician, is a "BORROW and spend" politician.
Damn....
A smart guy
+ good at fixing things
+ as hot looking as Henry Rollins
+ voting for Obama = I just sprung a leak ;)
Joe Worseburger, or whatever his name is, is a two man crew with his one man boss. It's a real shame he had to lie in his questions to Barack. We need real Americans who are truthful to pose important questions that actually mean something to them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/politics...
Read the last sentence of this NYT article. It is like a slap in the face.
That's why the issue is on plumbers.
http://www.ronnierayjenkins.com/topics/deathi...
Of course this will never make the mainstream media loop da loop!!!
but too bad most white working class males prefer republicans
unless it gets some really good contracts
my bro in law is a subcontractor, he makes around 150k
obama's tax plan and his medical plan benefits him
joe the plumber was a shill
The newscast falsely insinuated that Joe had announced his support for McCain. (And I guess falsely insinuated that he was a plumber whose first name was Joe, which apparently is also not true.) They never have been very big on getting facts right at that station.
Check this out: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/146....
Sara Palin, indeed, has had much influenced on McCain these past few days. McCain's common sense and IQ are, gradually, becoming like hers!
^^^^
"After making Joseph Wurzelbacher famous, McCain learned 3 key facts -- Joe owes back taxes, isn't licensed and Obama's plan would cut Joe's taxes."
McCain is so FUNNY!
I'm really voting for Obama. Being a good leader is not measured by how much experience you have in politics but by having sincere intentions to serve the people, having enough PATIENCE and diplomacy to confront problems and deal with unpredictable people and some bellicose world leaders , having ample resiliency to adapt to inevitable circumstances, and by having a good sense of judgment to solve trials.
By choosing Sara Palin as his running mate, Sen. McCain proved to the American people that he is really capable of committing serious errors should he wins in the election.
Real plumbers support Obama.
Forget Joe the Plumber...I'll bet Bob the Builder is for Obama. After all, he's alwayd ssying, "Can we build it? YES WE CAN!!!"
With the McCain campaign in the crapper, how appropriate to pick a"plumber" who's full of s--t!
I especially didn't like it when Mccain attempted to exonerate those who spout out racial hatred and inciteful comments attacking his opponent at his rallies. That was particularly disgraceful from Mccain, and he should be ashamed of himself for encouraging that behavior from his followers. I am shocked that he thinks it's OK to say things like "off with his head" or "kill him" or "terrorist" toward Obama, and shrug it off as if they are just practicing their first Amendment right.. sick asshol.
It is amazing that we now know more about Joe the Plummer than we know about either Ayres or Obama.
Don't criticize Joe just because the media has once again found a way to spin the truth to their benefit. That's just what they WANT you to think... time to think for yourselves people:
Whenever an extreme liberal Democrat is promising tax cuts, then you know something is suspicious. Add to that the fact that Obama is promising tax cuts to 95% of Americans and there is a lot of smoke. Like other things Obama says, where there's smoke, there is most certainly fire.
First, let's look at Obama's tax plan: Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples.
Before attacking his plan, let's look at his spending plan, because America ultimately has to pay for these things, which amount to over $800 million in new spending over 4 years, which is added to our already $3.2 trillion budget. Here are the plans:
A $65 billion-a-year health plan
$15 billion in green energy spending
$85 billion in tax cuts and credits
$25 billion-a-year increase in foreign aid
$18 billion a year in education spending
$3.5 billion for a national service plan
Put it all together, and we are talking about a $200 billon plan, $800 billion over four years.
I will do a point by point analysis of what's wrong with this.
1. Even if Obama's tax plan is completely true, then $500 for workers and $1,000 is chump change when you think about the increased cost of living that will come from additional government spending. With gasoline and food prices alone, how long would that even last, a month or two at most?
2. The Obama plan will be devastating for small businesses. Currently, S corporations face a top tax rate of 35 percent, while sole proprietors and general partners face a tax rate of 37.9 percent (since they’re responsible for paying both income tax and the Medicare component of the payroll tax).
Under Obama’s plan to let the scheduled 2011 tax rate hikes occur, and his plan to raise the self-employment tax on those making more than $250,000, the S corporation rate would rise from 35 percent to 39.6 percent. BUT HERE IS WHAT OBAMA DOESN'T TELL YOU: the sole proprietor and partner rate would rise from 37.9 percent all the way up to a staggering 50.3 percent!!!! Many Democrats in Congress have proposed making ALL small businesses (including S corporations) pay this 50-plus percent rate! A small business tax rate that high would reduce the incentive to open a small business in the first place. Small businesses will essentially be working 4-6 months out of the year for the federal government, which will then turn around and use their money inefficiently and uneffectively on failed programs.
So much for improving the economy. The plan will only stifle the growth of business.
3. Obama's plan will give America one of the highest combined tax rates in the industrialized world.
Currently only six of the top 30 industrial nations have a tax rate for all levels of government combined of over 55 percent. Under this tax plan, the United States would join this group and have a higher top rate than such high-tax nations as Sweden and Denmark. The top marginal rate would exceed 60 percent with the inclusion of state and local taxes, which means that only Hungary would exceed Senator Obama's new proposed top tax rate.
4. If Obama promises $800 billion in new spending and will supposedly cut taxes, how on Earth will Obama pay for all of the programs he has proposed??? Taxing the rich won't pay for all of the new spending.
The final result is that Obama cannot possibly lower taxes He can promise you tax cuts, but if he were honest, he would tell you that the only way he can possibly pay for sustaining old failing programs and creating new ones is by raising taxes. He may claim to only raise them on the rich, but in the end, not even the rich can pay for all of this with taxes. The result? A weaker dollar, higher prices for oil, food, and other necessities, and greater unemployment. Obama says he is being honest about the terrible situation we are now in, but he has no plans to reduce spending. He only promises more spending, which will certainly cripple the American economy.
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." -Karl Marx- King Bee Socialist, aka "Marxist" Down with socialism. Down with government spending. NOBAMA.
*Statistics in this article were taken from non-partisan websites. I simply put them together to form a case.
I am a family member of "Al the plumber". I figured I deserved to put my two cents in. Anyhow, I can tell you this much he is as real as it gets. The guy is 100% genuine. He is the most focused hardest worker I have ever met. Also he is the 2nd kindest soul I have ever been privelidged enough to know. I assure you he is honest and believes with his whole heart that his decision is the right one for his loved ones. He would've researched this for sure because this country is very important to him, I mean if nothing else all of the people he cherishes so much are in this country. Someone said he should be checked into like "Joe the plumber" was. If he hasn't been checked in on by now I would be shocked. He is legit or he most certainly would've been attacked by McCain and his supporters by now. That's just plain political facts. It's a dirty business, but then again I guess plumbing is a dirty business too!
When you think about this in the scheme of things though, the whole "Joe the plumber Al the plumber" deal, how amazing is it that these guys are being talked about in presidential debates, they're all over the television, radio and internet! Only in America!!!
GO OBAMA!!!
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