Obama on McCain's smears: "He wasn’t willing to say it to my face"

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Barack Obama calls McCain out for not having the guts to smear him in person.

GIBSON: Change the subject for a moment. John McCain has unloaded on you in the last 72, 96 hours as has Sarah Palin. McCain is saying, essentially, we don’t know who Barack Obama is, where he came from. I’m an open book, he’s not.

OBAMA: Right.

GIBSON: Were you surprised, A, that he didn’t bring it up last night at the debate and use that line of attack? And, B, since you must have prepared for it, what were you going to say?

OBAMA: Well, I am surprised that, you know, we’ve been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days that he wasn’t willing to say it to my face.

But I guess we’ve got one last debate. So presumably, if he ends up feeling that — that he needs to, he will raise it during the debate.

The notion that people don’t know who I am is a little hard to swallow. I’ve been running for president for the last two years. I’ve campaigned in 49 states. Millions of people have heard me speak at length on every topic under the sun. I’ve been involved now in 25 debates, going on my 26th. And I’ve written two books which any — everybody who reads them will say are about as honest a set of reflections by, at least, a politician as are out there.

So, you know, I think that, you know, Senator McCain’s campaign has been focusing on me primarily because they don’t want to focus on the economy. And they’ve said as much. I mean, you’ve had their spokespeople over the last couple of days say if we talk about the economic crisis, we lose.

I mean, you can’t be much more blatant than that. They want to change the subject. And I understand it because the fact is that John McCain has subscribed, for the most part, to the same economic philosophy as George Bush, the same economic philosophy that has governed over the last eight years and has helped to get us in this mess.


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McCain had trouble looking at Obama let alone telling him what he has been saying behind his back....

My dad thinks it's a symptom of McCain's self hatred.

He sees in Obama all that he isn't...a born leader!!

Its a calculated act. Lets face it, though we disagree and hate it, does McCain have any other option if he hopes to win? He can't run on his record or on issues considering they are responsible for the current mess America is in. His own people have publicly admitted that if they focus is in the issues, McCain loses.

when he starts this non-sense. Most of us followed the primaries and McSame using the same worn out, vetted, non-sense Hillary used. Hillary lost and McSame has lost. Someone tell the old codger that it is over and he better start worrying about this country instead of penny ante bs.

The so-called "war hero" is a coward.

Did he look his captors in the eye when he was on his knees earning his dinner.

"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."

"John McCain," says another Navy pilot and acquaintance of that era, "was the kind of guy you wanted to room with -- not fly with. He was reckless, and that's critical when you start thinking about who's going to be the president," The old pilot laughs, and then continues: "But the Navy accident rate was cut in half the day John McCain was shot down."

On a more serious note, however, there has been no discussion of what actions were or were not taken in dealing with McCain after each of the aircraft losses. Neither McCain's senatorial nor campaign offices returned Insight's calls on these matters. But a Navy insider notes that "after every such incident an inquiry is conducted to conclude the cause of the crash. If it were anyone other than the admiral's son, his wings would have been pulled. But that's where that kind of father comes in handy."

"Thank God not all pilots are like McCain," jokes another pilot, "or the government would be buying a hell of a lot more planes."

Source: Kelly Patricia O'Meara, COPYRIGHT 2000 News World Communications, Inc.

How much money did his grandstanding cost America back then?

I should also point out that the people on the last plane he crashed got KILLED while McCain jumped to safety.

The fourth plane he crashed is REALLY noteworthy:

"McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidentally fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship."

At 72 years of age, and showing signs of senility, McBush is showing us that he's a nasty, bigoted, little child.

He's also more than willing to let people die so he can have a little glory.

They should have left him in that prison in Vietnam.

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.c...

Let's see if Biden and other Obama supporters come out swinging or if this winds up being a pathetic one-sided battle.

Either way, I think Obama still wins.

Is confront McCain on this. At their next debate Obama at some point needs to ask McCain if he thinks Obama is a secret muslim terrorist. No matter how McCain answers he'll either piss off undecideds or his base. Making McCain seem like the lowest bottom feeding type of scum to the mainstream voter if he says he does, and making him seem like a coward if he does not.

Also the Obama campaign should launch a campaign to address how the PALIN/mccain campaign is hurting America by taking what should be a difference of opinion and is really just poisoning a % of the population against the possible leader of the next administration in a naked and blind attempt to win. Take the really high-road Obama.

Brillant!! I actually can imagine that happening as Obama is a cool enough orater to either imply this or directly state it to McShame and McShame will have no recourse than to blow up or apologize.
I think Obama may do so if they continue with the bs, however maybe not if the polls show him to continue surging4 ahead.

McPain will NEVER apologize. EVER. Shows how really small he is, as in his mind and character.
Go Obama/Biden!

Obama needs to talk about economic "terrorists" like Phil Gramm. don't use lofty words like philosophy, fgs. Obama can say it his way, but use more concrete hardhitting stuff. I know Biden will have a thing or two to say about this crap.

Biden was out this week going after the McCain campaign and what they are saying. He kicked some serious McCain/Palin butt.

Brilliant strategy--this guilt by association nonsense has got to stop--I hope McCain brings it up at the debate. Although McCain's buddy Bob Schieffer will probably ask the question and bail him out.

Obama can't wait for or rely on the moderator. At some point Obama needs to grab the reins and say "Excuse me I need to say something..." and just barrel ahead. Drag this scumbag into the light of mainstream and lets see what happens.

Yeah Bob Scheiffer's old - Obama can take him on. Like McPalin always does to their own team.

Get'em!!!

McCain is dragging alot of people down with him.

Huffpo says McConnel R-KY has lost his double digit lead.

...is either a pathetic man or a pathetic shell of the man he once may have been. He does not have the courage, honor or integrity to confront Obama man to man, but instead is allowing the women he is associated with to do the dirty work for him. A man, hiding between the "skirts" of a woman is a disgusting "less than a man" man.

He's campaigned in 49 states; what state hasn't he campaigned in

Alaska?

"that one" is very presidential!

McCain
Thu, 10/09/2008 - 10:46 — Helen Rainier (not verified)
...is either a pathetic man or a pathetic shell of the man he once may have been. He does not have the courage, honor or integrity to confront Obama man to man, but instead is allowing the women he is associated with to do the dirty work for him. A man, hiding between the "skirts" of a woman is a disgusting "less than a man" man.

Well he could've hidden behind the kilt of a Scotsman

But that would be inadvisable

Haggis washed down with Scotch can make one flatulent.

)O(

than McDuckerUnderSkirts.

Forget Ayers, Wasn’t that McCAIN Embracing a Commie Radical?
http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=3763

That is a brilliant idea! I can hear Obama now, saying, "Senator McCain, do you *really think*...that I'm a secret Muslim terrorist?" and then pinning it to him by demanding a yes or no when McCain stumbles and mumbles and pulls out every euphemism and obfuscation in the book. What a sweet, sweet moment that would be.

I think the only way it will work is by pointing out that McCain's campaign i.e Palin is the one who is suggesting that Obama is a terrorist and guilty of treason. If Obama asks McCain straight up, "Do you think I am a terrorist?" McCain can retort with, "I never called you a terrorist." With that response Obama will look flummoxed. If, on the other hand, Obama carefully constructs the question (which I am sure he can) with, " Do you have any comments about your Vice Presidential running mate insinuating that I am a terrorist and unpatriotic?", then McCain is trapped.

A straight up pussy and coward avoiding issues and using racial paranoia attempting to assassinate a better man's character . A bully getting his comeupance and can't take his defeat(ass whipping) like a man. Grandpa's shitty, racist, campaign is a turd floating in the toilet waiting to be flushed. To me, this bitter old bigot should never be referred to as being a "hero" again.

Stating that Obama took millions from Rezko etc, blah blah.
I've been returning them with the factcheck.org site debunking that.

Remember Bob Schieffer is hosting the next debate. We all remember what he said to Wes Clark about McCain. I wouldn't be surprised if Schieffer doesn't bring it up at the next debate for McCain. Schieffer may well be the attack dog for McCain and ask Obama to explain his relationship with Ayers.

We all remember what he said to Wes Clark about McCain.

Obama can handle Schitter just like he handled brokaw. But your point is important. Schitter is the #1 CBS shill for McCan't.

I just love that Obama called McCain another word for "kitty" on national television. Of course he said it in a very presidential way but yeah Obama just called McCain out. That's how you turn this stuff around. Nobody respects a guy who can't tell a person to his face what he says behind his back. Winning isn't good enough any more. I want a landslide. McCain needs to be humiliated.

Excellent. He nails it. I bet this will piss McCain off and hope to see a meltdown next Wednesday.

Senders of Islam movie 'Obsession' tied to Jewish charity

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/nationa...

McCain and Palin were somewhere doing a town hall meeting a little while ago. No matter what the subject was or what the question was, McCain took the opportunity to piss on Obama. Half of what he was saying or more was just proven bs, but that didn't stop him from repeating it over and over.

Telling how Bush has Ruined not only Democracy, but the Dreams of Democracy for many Nations who would like it.

Incompetence as a political variation of a policy of arbitrariness

The western societies have anticipated many things but not this attack from the inside. It is downright incredibly comprehensive, from the rhetorical preparations for the war with Iraq to the climate policy, the attack on the constitution, the surveillance of all intellectual and scientific endeavours and ending in the implosion of the financial system. The gigantic mountain that is in this system of fear the threat from the outside, emerges as emotional dislocation of fear of the innermost. By now the declaration of war against terror shows the traits of a forceful challenge to the traditional European idea of mankind.
This president leaves behind all of the world's democracies in a deeply traumatized state, and you ask yourself, what person or what event of the last sixty years could have done the same or if it could have happend outside the democratic realm. In contrast to China, Russia and Bin-Laden-Terrorism, all profiting from Bush's reign, democracies always encountered in the person of Bush the „king's two bodies“; he was Bush, but he also was the representative of the idea of freedom and democracy. He has taken away this deference to the existing, and as he took away, he gave something back: Mistrust of others and himself, lack of comprehension towards foreign law and foreign happiness, incompetence as a political variation of a policy of arbitrariness.

Sen Obama... you GOT class my friend. McCain... you embarrass me as an American... go change your diapers and yell at the TV....

I supported John McCain in 2000. Of all the things he might have become, sniveling little coward just wasn't on my list of possibilities. I guess I was wrong.

Why didn't Obama ask this of McCain at the debate? He could have taken every bit of wind out of his sail if he'd have said something like, "John, your campaign for the last 2 days has really been pushing this link to Ayers and suggesting that I may need more vetting to prove I'm not a terrorist. Do you agree with this type of campaigning - especially after you're on the record for wanting to run a clean campaign about issues and not personal smears like the ones Bush victimized you with in the 2000 race? Do you really mean to suggest to people that I am a terrorist?"

Whether McCain answered the question or not, throwing it out there on stage, in the debate, in front of millions of people would have done at least 2 things: 1. McCain would have had to end this smear campaing officially following the debate and 2. everyone would have been exposed to exactly what kind of a prick McCain really is.

Missed opportunity.

Obama has to challenge McCain if he agrees with the lunatics at McPalin rallies who call for Obama's death and also call him a terrorist and treasonous. If Obama can get McCain to disavow some of his psychopathic supporters, it will be a body blow to McCain.

It is time to bury the bastards.

Obama and the media are falling into the same trap, giving even more exposure to McCain's charges. When the discussion is framed as "McCain and Palin calls Obama a _______," Obama replies "no, I'm not a _______, and those charges are outrageous" Obama loses because the charges keep getting repeated all over the media. Instead of playing defense and being outraged, Obama should attack McCain and let McCain play defense and be outraged, and let the media cover Obama's charges. Calling McCain "erratic" and "angry" and then giving examples would be a good start.

Is Barack willing and able to point out Moosegirl's undeniable and incontrovertible association with a virulently anti-American secessionist group? One that preaches hatred for all things American? That's a more relevant and germane issue than Barack's tangential (at best!) "relationship" with a FORMER radical who sat with him on a bipartisan community panel (founded by a Republican!).

Sometimes I wish I was running O's campaign. McCain would be burnt toast by now.

Is there a way to directly e-mail the Obama campaign with suggestions/advice?

surrogates are doing that quite well.

A reasonable response from an intelligent man. Just what we need in a leader .... right here, right now.

Chris Wallace on fox was just talking about this very issue and he said Obama has a legitimate point when he asks why McCain doesn't say this to his face.

McCain is in a tough spot.

He can't stand on his record, as it is a losing record given the current domestic situation, and he can't stand on his leadership or judgement either as both are in the ditch thanks to his VP pick and the erratic bahavior he exhibited when he suspended (LOL) his campaign.

So, what else is left? Lies, lies, and more lies and hope and pray one of them sticks enough to get the polls close enough that the margin of error will make stealing this election (Diebolding it) possible like the GOP did in 2000 and most likely in 2004 as well.

I'm worried that if Obama maintains his current lead, Bush will do something to throw a wrench into the election like declaring martial law and refuse to give up power. Now, when I start thinking like this, it frightens me, because I am usually realistic and rational. But so much has gone wrong the past eight years, I am a little paranoid about the state of this democracy.

Totally agree!!

Obama needs to bring this up himself for sure!
Even if the debate calls for no direct questioning ... as we have learned from the past debates you can pretty much do whatever you want!
So why not?
Don't wait for him ... ask him directly. Any answer will be a disaster for the McSame campain! It will catch him off guard and his stumbling and bumbling trying to be everything to everyone will be on display for everyone to see.
We all know Obama has no problem looking him right in the eye and at this point Obama must know that McStain is pretty much his bitch who wont even look at him much less confront him.

And if he starts into it looking at the moderator or the crowd or the camera Obama can cut him off and say "No John, tell me to my face"

Thats your sticking line, thats the one that would be repeated over and over and that is the one that people would remember. McCain not being man enough to own up to his own attacks.

NO answer McCain could give would stop the bleeding.

It should be up to McCain to prove Obama had any real ties to Ayers. Before talking about it, they should prove what they say is true. Otherwise, STFU.

I'm waiting for Bill Ayers to show up on The View. You think Elizabeth's hair would combust?

There is a picture the NRA is using for its invitations to some meeting they are having. The picture shows Sarah Palin holding some kind of gun and aiming it at the camera. It looks like if she pulled the triger it would shoot the camera taking the picture. The NRA is so proud of the picture. Can you imagine if that same picture was of Obama holding the gun?

The election would be a landslide for McCain if that happened. A white woman with a gun is comforting to these a-holes. A black man carrying a gun scares the bejeezus out of them.

Nice visual, by the way. Seeing that nitwit from Alaska shooting a gun sends shivers down my spine. She's not only dumb, she's dangerous.

We live in bizarre times indeed when a vice presidential candidate is repeatedly shown shooting a fully automatic assault rifle and no one bats an eye.

The idiots are going to take over any day now.

I felt the same way when I saw that picture on tv. It's frightening to see any candidate in that pose. But I guess according to the NRA people they expect this to be the largest meeting they have had in years. I don't know if she will be there or not.

Women candidates should understand, women don't want them to be like guys. Real women don't have to do those sorts of things to be respected.

Imagine if the names were reversed? (The following from a letter to the editor of the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram):

How Racism Works

What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?

What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said 'I do' 20years ago to?

What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?

What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama were a member of the 'Keating 5'?

What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?

This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.

Kelvin LaFond, Fort Worth

And, don't forget: What if Barack Obama had an unwed, pregnant teenage

Unlike the racist pigs of the McCain campaign, Obama is pure and unequivocal class.

☺☻Another GREAT article from a German Newspaper Group☻☺
Thu, 10/09/2008 - 11:02 — Bangkok Bob
Telling how Bush has Ruined not only Democracy, but the Dreams of Democracy for many Nations who would like it.

Leave it to the Jerries to state the obvious, but in such ponderous language as to make it border-line unfathomable.

)O(

We know that Tom Brokaw is a McCain operative and his career is now also in the toilet. His debate performance means that Tom Brokaw's careet is shot. He looked like a pasty, sick, old man who had neither the wherewithall to control a group of pre-schoolers, no less a town hall.

As for Obama, perhaps he will confront McDouchebag and make a jumping jackass out of him in public. I don't think he has to. People have totally rejected the obvious attempt to change the conversation and get the media into a smear campaign so McCain doesn't have to answer questions about the Keating Five Scandal and his own culpability in our current meltdown.

No one's listening to the smears any more. When people are losing their homes, jobs, and life savings, the media will no longer be relevant if they don't stop pimping for McCain.

Each day and in every way as the media tries to refocus the lens of this campaign to the lies and smears, the american people realize what's going on.

The american people are now totally rejecting that mainstream media whose trivialities seem to trump reality and the seriousness of what's happening to americans all over the country.

The mainstream media and their sponsors will be the real losers in this "media shell game".

Senator Obama is soooo much more of a leader than ANY of the fools the rethug party put up , I do'nt agree with him 100% BUT the differences between him and mcpalin are strikingly obveious

America can be proud it produced such a man

Amen... well said.. I can't wait for election day...

For all this talk about McCain's record as a POW, why are there no POWs on the stump with McCain telling inspiring stories about Johnny in Hanoi? Where are all those guys? A camera pan showed ex-POW Bud Day in the stands at the GOP convention... But if his war record is so honorable, why doesn't McCain have fellow POWs on stage with him telling us what a great guy he is? I haven't seen a single one... But it's possible I've missed something...
(Note, I have a cousin who's done some remodeling work for an ex-POW on the Alabama Gulf Coast (a high-profile ex-POW) who told him the majority of the 600-odd POWs "hate McCain's guts."

I've been wondering the same thing for a long time. Where are those other POWs? There must be at least some still living who knew him. Kerry had several men who served with him and campaigned with him.

It's like most of the other news that's really important to us. It's censored.

JFK had the entire surviving crew of PT-109 campaigning for him. Men under Kerry's command spoke out against the Swift Boat liars...

And yet, not a single miltitary man, either from McCain's days before his shoot-down or during his time in captivity has stepped forward to say, "This man should be our president!:

The more I think about it, the more glaring an omission it becomes...

Man, the guy sounds more presidential every day.

The contrast has never been more evident; we have a choice between two intelligent, articulate statesmen who have more experience and integrity in the first digit of their pinky finger than the entire McCain/Palin ticket.

McPappy looks more geriatric every day; Secessionist Sarah looks more stupid and vacuous every day.

"my fellow prisoners"....:):):)

BTW during the next Presidential debate ,Obama needs to ask mcpain if he thinks Obama is a terrorist , and then ask if he thinks he's a muslim

after he answers then he needs to ask mcpain why he's attack dogs don't follow mcsames orders

McCain would shoot his mother in the face if he thought it would win him Ohio or Florida.

I so want florida to hand Obama the electoral votes to put him over the top. Maybe everyone would then forgive us for what happened down here in 2000

People in Florida need to write to the Board of County Commissioners under whose jurisdiction the PD of Lee County happens to be to call for the immediate dismissal of this Sheriff based on his horrific antics at the Palin Rally this past Monday.

questions@leegov.com

He's already injured this county to the tune of $300,000 which will be removed due to his overt violation of The Hatch Act but it's the amorality of what he's done for which he must pay now. After all, the death threats occurred on his watch while he was in uniform attending the function. Where were the handcuffs on this individual threatening murder?

It's time to rid the state of Florida of corrupt law enforcement officials like Mike Scott.

I hope that you also witnessed his nazi saluting from the stage. Remove this man before he further destroys Lee County, Florida.

He's already the talk of the media and a HUGE stain on the reputation of the State of Florida. Sheriff Scott has become a national embarrassment now.

Here are the disgusting details and real facts about our supposed "war hero" - this is abhorrent.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081006/schanberg

What makes me the most angry about McLamebrain and Moosehead Palin's
continued efforts to discredit Obama as to the Ayers situation is that the MSM continues to misrepresent(by ommission)the FACT that Obama
was only EIGHT(8) years of age when the Ayers controversy occurred and
instead reports incorrect and inclusive information as to the association of Obama with Ayers(occurring 17 years later). Fucking
MSM, over all, is as biased and slanted as is Faxu Noise.

You sure ain't kidding about the media enablers and propagandists helping Mc Lame's campaign. Here's a few of them:

www.mediamatters.org

stay on the economy barack. they want to get you off the economy. don't that happen.

Any distraction is a good distraction for McBane now.

All that warhero, POW, honor, integrity, maverick CRAP is out the window when you have to hide behind Sean Hannity's skirt and accuse someone of something you dont have the balls to say to their face.

Looks like the POW experience pussificated McSame.

Is it over the top to say McSlime is a coward? I mean re3ally. What did he do as a POW? The only thing of substance he did not give into was leaving early when they told him he could go. Otherwise he did nothing heroic except live.
Now He wont even look President Obama in the eye let alone confront him on the smears McPalin is sliming the airwaves with.

I think Obama should go another way. Today they showed McLoser ranting about how Obama never went against his party. Obama should point out what those issues are and there wouldn't be any need to point out why he didn't oppose his party. Some of the issues are..

SCHIP
Raising the minimum wage
More rest for the troops between rotations.
More body armor for the troops.
The GI bill
Help with heating cost for the elderly.
Bringing the troops home.

Feel free to add more. Ask McCain, why he should have opposed these things.

If Obama is going to confront the "terrorist" thing he will have to go full on and bring up every "terrorist" McCain has associated with including Caribou Barbie and her Caribou Ken by asking why, if they love America so much, they want to secede.

The more I listen to Barack, the more I am impressed with the way he thinks through his answers. For all of this talk of McCain being a war hero and great American, its looking like the only one with any balls is Obama.

The comedy duo of McCain/Palin are increasingly becoming irrelevent. No direction. Thrashing around like fish out of water. The only thing left in their goody bags are smears and lies. Hopefully after this election, McCain will be sent to the pasture to graze. And Palin? ship her ass back to Alaska!

Obama just missed it. He said He wrote 2 books for all to read. These people CANT READ. If they could, they might get it. Can't cead, inerbreading,RACIST assholes. A very smart guy for President, what a nice CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you cant blame McCain...well you can, he is an old wind bag...but the fact is he's geting is ass handed to him by someone almost half his age. You remember that first time you whipped your grandpa's ass at something he thought he was better at?...he was pissed, but i dont think McCain is gonna take Obama out for ice cream after getting a whooping from him!?!

My wish list for words to come.
Obama: "I would rather lose this race for the White House, talking about the problems that you the people have, than win being taken off message answering the false attacks that the republicans offer about me.
Let the word go out that the truth can not die. We have, this time, and this place to choose truth to better all of our lives. It may very well be the last time we might be able to choose."

How can any of you question McCain's courage? This man has been physically tortured and refused to take special favor for release. He has time and time again in his LONG career stood up to opponents in Congress. Barack Obama basically disowned his former pastor, Rev. Wright after more than 20 years and withdrew his membership from the church. He and his wife were married in that church. After more than two decades in a church, you would think that he would know what that church and his pastor stood for and their ideals. But, when this was brought into the political spotlight, he denied them. Talk about a coward who won't stand up for what he truly believes in. He throws people who were close to him under the train. Now he denies his ties with Bill Ayers. I don't know what to believe about Obama. I do know he voted present many times in the Illinois senate instead of having the courage to take a side. John McCain stands up for what he believes in no matter what side of the fence he is on.

Herr Vanderwerken, I want the name of your pot dealer. He's obviously selling you the primo stuff.

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