Bankers and Regulators Headed for A Showdown
By Susie Madrak Saturday Apr 11, 2009 6:00pm
Sometimes I wonder if their parents ever said no to these bankers. They don't want to take any responsibility, they don't want to accept any restrictions, they reject the notion that there should be economic consequences to their own behavior - and they don't want us to know what they're doing with our money. Maybe we should get rid of Timothy Geitner and appoint Supernanny!
WASHINGTON — As the Obama administration completes its examinations of the nation’s largest banks, industry executives are bracing for fights with the government over repayment of bailout money and forced sales of bad mortgages.
President Obama emerged from a meeting with his senior economic advisers on Friday to say “what you’re starting to see is glimmers of hope across the economy.” But there were also signs of growing tensions between the White House and the nation’s banks over the next phase of the financial rescue.
Some of the healthier banks want to pay back their bailout loans to avoid executive pay and other restrictions that come with the money. But the banks are balking at the hefty premium they agreed to pay when they took the money.
Jamie Dimon, the chief executive of JPMorgan Chase, and two other executives of large banks raised the issue with Mr. Obama and the Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, at a meeting two weeks ago.
[...] Finally, there is increasing anxiety in the industry that the administration could use the stress tests of the 19 biggest banks, due to be completed in the next three weeks, to insist on management changes, just as it did with General Motors when officials forced the resignation of its chief executive after examining that company’s books.
[...] Even though the Treasury Department plans to subsidize the purchases of toxic assets by giving buyers low-cost loans to cover most of their upfront cost, a growing number of analysts warn that many if not most banks will remain reluctant to sell.
“The gap is still very wide,” said Frank Pallotta, a former mortgage trader at Morgan Stanley, now a consultant to institutional investors. “If every bank was forced to sell at the market-clearing price, you’d have only five banks left in the market.”








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Bet she could whale the tar out of a man's bare ass.
Here's hopin'.
Hey, Colonel when were you demoted?
in the first place?
The regulators are a bunch of dolts that will get on their knees when Barney comes whining that his boys are getting too much pressure. These are the same regulators that orchestrated this mess so why does any one really believe nothing but a cloud of fart gas will result from their bureaucratic efforts.
You all should watch this video by Bill Moyers on the Banking Fraud.
The MSM is covering up the fraud!
Geithner is a crook as Paulson:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/wa...
" After 9-11 Bush & Co Removed all FBI regulators and later on refused to replace them"
It's was party time for the BANKTERS!
fail but put a few in jail (after investigating their cleverness) and they'd be sporting a different attitude. that's a big problem no accountability, no enforcement of (remaining) rules. and too much cronyism. meanwhile, we're being robbed of our present and future. gone! poof!
http://www.alternet.org/story/135414/
I want to see a few of them in prison....
Revive Lincoln’s Monetary Policy: an Open Letter to President Obama
thanks.
need to come back because the market cannot regulate itself. Haven't we been shown, in stark black and white, what human nature can produce if greed is not controlled?
Is this a joke?
Is someone smoking funny cigarettes.
Who is this person posing? Is that supposed to be a Bank Regulator?
Give me a break.
Here, Stiglitz joins the chorus that the Geithner 'plan', which is a redux of the Paulson 'plan', is robbery.
The Kleptocrat in Chief and his band of merry men are set to pull yet another reverse Robin Hood.
Give more trillions to the Oligarchs and steal it from everyone else.
That is what is visible, the Fed is doing the same thing, less visibly, to an even greater degree.
The Bankers bad assets are the products of NINJA loans and LIAR loans. Bundled together and fraudulently rated by the merry masked marauding rating agencies. These were sold to an unsuspecting world until they found out and stopped buying the crap.
This is the product of fraud. These people should be in jail.
Where was the previous administration while this was happening? You don't like the Obama solution but don't forget who put us here.
I have a long list of who put us here, I won't forget a single one of them.
Obama might be a nice fellow, he is an order of magnitude smarter than the previous caretaker, but credit when credit is due. So far, his solution is Bush's solution, which was Paulson's solution, hand over enormous amounts of cash to the Oligarchs.
Same exact deal.
..arguably, Geithner's PPIP plan could turn out to be a *worse* deal than Paulson's TARP, if the taxpayer overpays for these toxic assets. At least with Paulson, the money infused into banks is a loan, not a gift (outside of the gift being run through AIG); we'll be paid back in time, with interest. If the Geithner plan fails, we won't be paid back.
Here Elizabeth Warren talks about the opacity of the TARP program AND the $66 in stock and warrants received for $100 of taxpayer's money.
$78 billion in a giveaway.
Not to mention the drop in stock prices.
Or the $140 billion IRS illegal tax giveaway went largely unnoticed. Read about it here.
The government is a predator. We the peons are the prey.
It is the same TYPE of deal, a bad one.
now thats what im talking about ! they own the shovels we get the shaft!
These same people (george, jeb and neil included) sold junk bonds and shady deals in the 80's that made hundreds of thousands of senior citizens homeless but Saint Ronnie and "read-my-lips, Bush Sr. gave the little frat boys a pass.
Now Americans need to spank their asses, good and raw.
OK, so why take the f'in money if you didn't need it? You object to the terms given you? Well, bucky, so do we. We have NO choice if you want to raise your interest rates to us. We're just SOL. You, too, huh?
Fire all of these clowns. Give the kid in the mailroom a chance to run. The kid has had to live on a budget, based on what they make, unlike these priveledged clowns. He/she can't do worse than the MF'er's who go us into this mess.
OBTW - start the firing with the adminstrations Geitner and Sommers.
Wall Street IS above the law !! Wake up people. The CIA is above the law. There is no doubt about that. Well, the big bankers and the CIA work hand in hand. For more info -please go to this link :
http://brainmind.com/CIAKennedyAssassination.pdf
I always knew if was LBJ. He never had much use for Connally after he left the circle and got elected in his own right.
There isn't one person in this country that feels for these felonious snakes. They paid to have the laws changed so they could put us over this barrel, and now that they stole our money and expect us to give them more money, they don't like the rules.
F them. If they can't afford to live on $1 million a year then too f'ing bad. They want the never ending flow of obscene money to never end. This is the end. If you want to make $100 million a year then go and do it yourself. I'm not paying you $100 million a year to lose money.
These are the people that Ayn Rand warned us about. They are people who expect to be paid for failure. It turns out Ayn was wrong, it's not the socialists it's the capitolists that expect you to shut up and pay for failure.
Goldman Sachs hires law firm to shut blogger's site
That site is really scary! I think he is right on the ball, especially proved when Golman Sachs wants his website shut down. We're screwed.
While there is complaints from the Right that the government would dare to interfere in the business of business; and of course complaints from the Left that we aren't beating the tar out of these loons enough (jail time anybody?). Both agree that the American people are getting a raw deal (trying to be polite) out of these bailouts.
The New York Times Business section report in their article entitled Crisis Altering Wall Street as Big Banks Lose Top Talent that the concentration of hoodlums appears to be diminishing, and that is good!
OMG! Admittedly, I would have preferred to see this exodus occur via legal proceedings and jail time, it warms my heart that the greedy bastards are at least not nesting together anymore. Continuing, the NY Times notes in the article:
While I will admit to some glee that the government has somehow managed to convey their discontent at Wall Street, it should not be concluded that everyone understands or appreciates their folly.
Sigh, where is SuperKrugman when you need him?! Leave it to Krugman to illuminate all with his wonderful article Making Banking Boring. In this masterpiece of simplicity he remarks about the need for Bankers to focus on the elements of banking again, the simplicity that was forced on them after the Great Depression.
What?! We actually did better with regulations and tight monitoring of the financial system?! Have the Republicans seen this?!
Aack?! Our Summers?! Say it isn't so! Are you telling me that Lawrence Summers, the man responsible for cleaning up this mess was one of the assholes responsible for this mess..... That can not be good.
Ugh, Paul so much for that glimmer I was sold on....
if the banks are balking at the payback rates they agreed
on to get the bailout money, then we as credit cardholders
to these very same banks should balk at the INCREDIBLE
INTEREST RATES these banks charge for their credit cards
and just watch what the fed/u s govt does/renegotiates
or forgives these banks. then, we can demand the same
lower interest or no interest or balance reduced
credit for us.
if they get forgiven, then we should also.
they don't pay back the tarp money, we don't
pay for the credit on our cards...they fuck us and
we fuck them. cynical aren't i?
and not at all unreasonable.
No interest on any more mortgage payments.
No contest, bankers win.
Take our d... money back and support jobs and manufacturing plants in our country. Prosecute these crinimals along side of Bush , Cheney , Rove , Rumsfeld and Buy U.S.A...
I would be pleasantly surprised if that actually happened. The supposed showdown I mean. Let's be honest. If there's really going to be any showdown between regulators and bankers somebody's going to have to go to jail for the mess that we have. What's going to happen is a new kabuki theater and the high and mighty tries to continue as before. I wish I could be more hopeful, but as long as these criminals goes free....
Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.
At least, he did if he was one of 95 kids from the Berkeley area that social scientists have been tracking for the last 20 years. The confident, resilient, self-reliant kids mostly grew up to be liberals. The study from the Journal of Research Into Personality isn't going to make the UC Berkeley professor who published it any friends on the right. Similar conclusions a few years ago from another academic saw him excoriated on right-wing blogs, and even led to a Congressional investigation into his research funding.But the new results are worth a look. In the 1960s Jack Block and his wife and fellow professor Jeanne Block (now deceased) began tracking more than 100 nursery school kids as part of a general study of personality. The kids' personalities were rated at the time by teachers and assistants who had known them for months. There's no reason to think political bias skewed the ratings — the investigators were not looking at political orientation back then. Even if they had been, it's unlikely that 3- and 4-year-olds would have had much idea about their political leanings.A few decades later, Block followed up with more surveys, looking again at personality, and this time at politics, too. The whiny kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into rigid young adults who hewed closely to traditional gender roles and were uncomfortable with ambiguity.The confident kids turned out liberal and were still hanging loose, turning into bright, non-conforming adults with wide interests. The girls were still outgoing, but the young men tended to turn a little introspective. [Kansas City Star]
[Edit: Information already posted by Rick Beagle.]
I don't dispute that many of these bankers are a-holes, but Paulson pretty much told some of them to take TARP money, even if they didn't need it. Apparently, his goal was to increase confidence in the financial system, and not paint a bullseye on the firms that genuinely needed the TARP money. Now after the fact, banks who didn't ask for TARP in the first place are being subject to populist outcry or attempts by Congress to limit salaries they pay. That's goofy. If they want to pay back TARP money to get out from under these restrictions, they should be allowed to do so without penalties.
These bankers are the one's that mommy said "no" to once too often, and too often inappropriately. These are the bankers who muttered under their breath to themselves "One day, I'll be in charge and then no-one will be able to tell me what I can and can't do!"
Nothing will ever happen to curb bankers!!!! NOTHING! The common person in the mega US is totally SCREWED. 'Glimmers of HOPE'???? O-bought-ma is carrying water for the Kleptoclass, and we're screwed.
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