Big Shocker! NY Times Poll Shows Strong Support for Government-Run Insurance Plan
You surprised? Gee, me neither!
Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind one of the most contentious proposals Congress is considering, a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.
The poll found that most Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes so everyone could have health insurance and that they said the government could do a better job of holding down health-care costs than the private sector.
Yet the survey also revealed considerable unease about the impact of heightened government involvement, on both the economy and the quality of the respondents’ own medical care. While 85 percent of respondents said the health care system needed to be fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt, 77 percent said they were very or somewhat satisfied with the quality of their own care.
Gee, New York Times, do you think the paradox might be that even if they like their insurance (and by that, they usually mean their doctor and the ease of use), they also know their insurance can be yanked if they ever get really sick?
That paradox was skillfully exploited by opponents of the last failed attempt at overhauling the health system, during former President Bill Clinton’s first term. Sixteen years later, it underscores the tricky task facing lawmakers and President Obama as they try to address the health system’s substantial problems without igniting fears that people could lose what they like.
Across a number of questions, the poll detected substantial support for a greater government role in health care, a position generally identified with the Democratic Party. When asked which party was more likely to improve health care, only 18 percent of respondents said the Republicans, compared with 57 percent who picked the Democrats. Even one of four Republicans said the Democrats would do better.
The national telephone survey, which was conducted from June 12 to 16, found that 72 percent of those questioned supported a government-administered insurance plan — something like Medicare for those under 65 — that would compete for customers with private insurers. Twenty percent said they were opposed.
I'd be for it if it covers people with preexisting conditions, is transportable, and doesn't have onerous premiums and deductibles, and doctors manage health, not bean counters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Joe Scarborough claimed this morning that the poll is flawed because he said like two thirds of the people polled voted for Obama. He and Chris Matthews got into a little dust up talking about this. Chris was surprisingly rational while Joe gets the vapors because he is so concerned about the cost.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Are the only two on MSNBC that I work hard to avoid. Tweety sometimes plays the rational person but it's far too rare to overcome all of the wanking he does.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEhAXQ5QQzs
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
When is MSNBC going to wake up and simply fire this useless sack.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
I guess they could poll fox viewers, none of them voted for Obama. Joe gets on my last nerve.
So Schmoe ScarredFurrow thinks that when a clear majority of the public votes Democrat that that doesn't mean anything, but when a Republican loses the popular vote that's a mandate.
Ok...I got it.
ScarredFurrow takes stupidity to new heights.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
John Cornyn was repeating the same talking point this morning on MSNBC.
A former award-winning journalist and lifelong class warrior, keeping a jaundiced eye on the Washington elite.
Oh yes and they must have this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xeFE3ExXwk
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Are the wealthiest 20 percent and we all know that the Senate belongs to them. It's been bought and paid for. Senate Democrats were cut off from the lobbyists for so long under the K Street project that now they have to scramble for money to buy that second vacation home. What a disgusting display. When the conservatives take back several seats in 2010 and 2012, we'll all know why.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
From Paul Krugman's NYT article
"Thus Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska initially declared that the public option — which, remember, has overwhelming popular support — was a “deal-breaker.” Why? Because he didn’t think private insurers could compete: “At the end of the day, the public plan wins the day.” Um, isn’t the purpose of health care reform to protect American citizens, not insurance companies?"
Probably depends on the money donated to your last election campaign.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
n/c
The media really needs to focus on important issues.
Like what's Sen. Nelson's favorite position when the insurance execs bone him up the ass.
Vote GOP and move forward to the 18th Century.
Today I pay $3000 a year for an HMO to cover me and Spouse not mentioning $3-4 Thousand in Co-pays for prescriptions and Drs. bills.
If I pay the $3000 Private Insurance Premium to the government; is that a TAX?
Donaldd
will go the same way as "No Fault" automobile insurance did back in the 70's.
Remember that one?
Not only did Big Insurance get their way -
they then got laws passed REQUIRING consumers to buy their shitty policies.
The only people I hear speaking against healthcare reform are the pols who have their comfy govt healthcare and people who can afford to spend whatever is needed to get the healthcare they need. They aren't talking to the people on the street, the ones who actually have to work for every cent they get.
Anyone being against this should be ashamed and embarrassed by their own self centeredness (I'm not sure that is even a word, but it is now)
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Medicare has been an enormously successful and effective program although the Congress of 2003 damaged it with the Part D travesty, written by the lobbyists, that guaranteed maximum corporate profit at the expense of the commonweal. The prime movers (corporate stooges) in Congress went on to high paying jobs with their corporate masters, Steve Kroft here.
And the AMA has been a corporate attack dog since way back, Joe Conason/Truthdig The AMA's Unhealthy Obsession here
Here is a piece on Medicare for all, essentially a stopover point on the way to full single payer, also at Truthdig here
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
That nasty NY Times is a far left loony newspaper and that CBS.....aghhhhhhrrrrr!
Anyone ever thing what'll happen to it, next time repubs are in power?
They are already in power. It is the Republicrats, doncha know.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtVLK9jruKc
Looks like a malpractice suit waiting to happen.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
…the worker of the future, controlled by a superior intelligence…
What a script!
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j54W7zFfXuM
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The parties are very, very different.
The Democrats are much more polite as they sell us down the river!
n/t
When the repubs who think govt can't do anything right and the appoint a bunch of loyal party stooges to top positions just to prove how bad govt can be.
Can you imagine a national healthcare system with anything like the bush admin in charge? *shudder*
Like appointing a veterinarian to oversee women's health? Or a guy who worked with show horses to head FEMA? Or nominating your bestest attorney for the Supreme Court? Or putting a developer in charge of the VA?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
get ahold of this post. Senator Ensign also knows much about women's anatomies. Plus I do not really think Brownie worked with "show" horses. He worked with Arabian Horses, and we all know the Arabians are the most likely cause of an Emergency like calling 911 although some Arabians, like the Shriners, work with burn victims.
All in all, I say you sold the Bush appointment system short.
Harriet Miers knows about lottery tickets.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
that is exactly the index of the degree to which that program fucks us.
HIP = Health Insurance Parasites.
Nothing that doesn't contribute to putting the HIP out of business is going to do ANYTHING for the people.
Anything that perpetuates a 'for profit' health industry is bad for the people and the country.
It IS as simple as that!
We have the bestest health care system in the world. Our health insurance industry is clearly bigger, faster, and stronger than any other in the world. That is why people hate us for our premiums.
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
Of course. Everyone knows the public favors a govt run plan. Except members of the House and Senate apparently. But polls aren't enough to battle the influence of insurance co lobbyists. We need to take to the streets in support of a public plan. Maybe if they see thousands of people on the street in every major city they'll finally get the message.
They can't be charged as it isn't a crime.
It is a shame we don't have a Congress that understands they are elected to represent the people and not the corporations. We have seen poll after poll showing the people's support for a public or single payer plan, but we all know by now we have a Senate chamber owned by the corporations and rich. My only hops is the people who live in these Senators districts take these corporate prostitutes out of office.
... the way the see it, the job of most politicians in the US is to... get elected. The time in between elections is just to get more money and plan for the next election. Since corporate donors have deeper pockets that individuals. It makes total sense that under that frame of mind, they decide it is more efficient to concentrate their attention on said corporate donors.
First and foremost, this country needs an electoral reform.
To which I would add, once out of government they may well be looking for jobs with said corporations, as lobbyists, as executives, whatever. They will never rock the boat looking out for the commonweal. We can count the reasons why not.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
I don't think so.
The only reason nationalized health care doesn't get 99 percent approval by the American public is because of the sustained barrage of anti-health care propaganda by Faux Noise and all the other corporate shills of the MSM. The poor rubes that think UHC would kill the economy have been lied to, and it's our job to scream that fact to the world.
HMO's are a sucker's game. America needs socialized medicine, just as we have socialized roads, socialized fire departments, socialized national defense, socialized water and socialized public schools. For-profit health care merely ensures that corporate fat cats suck huge amounts of money from the system and stuff it into their bottomless pockets. A government-run health care system, by its very nature, cannot have that problem. Case closed.
there wasn't a statistician on earth who could skew the results in favour of the Insurance Industry?
How were the results even released then? Leaked?
They like to keep this kind of statistic away from the hoi polloi. Still, it's not about total single payer, is it?
me-oww!
There's no surprise in that the NYT published a poll supporting socialized medicine. If no such poll existed the times would just make illusions to one supporting government takeover of our health care system.
The only possibility for surprise would be the NYT publishing results of a poll which didn't support the socialist movement.
How do you feel about the healthcare that Firemen, Police, Sherrif's, Rangers(park), Marshall's, FBI, CIA, DHS, All the other gov't employees from secretaries to Congress to the Senate, that these people get?
Oh, the VA too.
What is your opinion on their healthcare provider?
What is your conceptual, continuity?
If you're questioning VA healthcare, ask veterans who've survived it. You'd better do it quick. We buried one here a couple of weeks ago who the VA had diagnosed with stomach cancer five days earlier. He'd been going to the VA clinic with belly pain every month for the two and a half years prior to his death. They just ran him through and been sent home with bushels of pills every time.
Only those veterans who cannot afford private health care use VA "services".
If you think Barney Frank and his ilk are getting the same health care as veterans, you're being silly. The government health care structure is identical to what the former Soviet Union had. Politburo members and selected party members got top notch attention. The workers receive veterinary quality care. This is what you wish for us. It scares me.
That's what I thought.
You can polish a turd all day long, and what do you have at the end of the day?
A shiny turd. thanks for playing. bzzzzzt. your done.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
just proves the success of the us "education" system as designed.
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