Clinton: Israeli Concessions on West Bank Settlements 'Unprecedented'
Of course, considering how little Israel has conceded to the peace process in the past, just about anything would look good. But I'll cautiously give the Obama administration some props here - they do appear to be serious about forcing at least some progress with Israel:
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Saturday that Israel is making "unprecedented" concessions on West Bank settlement construction — a position clearly at odds with the prevailing Palestinian view.Palestinian leaders have said they will not return to peace talks with Israel unless it halts all settlement building on lands they claim for a future state, and they believe Israel has blatantly defied a U.S. demand for a settlement freeze.
Speaking at a joint press conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday, Clinton said Israel is putting significant limits on settlement activity.
"What the prime minister has offered in specifics on restraints on a policy of settlements ... is unprecedented," she said.
The issue of settlements has become the biggest sticking point in getting Israelis and Palestinians back to the negotiating table.
Clinton made it clear that she wasn't pleased with Israeli settlement construction but that it was no reason to hold up talks.
"There are always demands made in any negotiation that are not going to be fully realized," she said.
Likely translation: We're going to take whatever crumb you throw as encouragement, but you're not going to get off the hook that easily.
Palestinians expressed deep disappointment and frustration at Clinton's words, which signaled a departure from past U.S. calls for a complete freeze on settlement activity.
"If America cannot get Israel to implement a settlement freeze, what chance do Palestinians have of reaching agreement with Israel on permanent status issues?" Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said.
Similar sentiments were voiced by Jordan and Egypt, the only two Arab countries to have peace agreements with Israel. The two countries said most of the blame lay with Israel, but signaled their unhappiness with the American shift.
Jordan's King Abdullah II traveled to Cairo for talks with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. After the meeting, a royal palace statement released in Jordan said both leaders "insisted on the need for an immediate halt of all Israeli unilateral actions, which undermine the chances of achieving peace, especially the settlement construction."
No more funding
Surrender their nukes
Submit to war crimes trials
Make peace and stick to it!
surrender all weapons and let the arab nations overrun the country
Was Israel overun when they didn't have nukes?
no!
Fail!
Zionist!
Q: Why can they have nukes when Iran and Iraq cannot?
A: Because they are terrorist nations!
Q: And Israel isn't? Bombing Gaza is TERRORISM!
Double standards do not peaceful outcomes make!
had nixon not interceded
again, your lack of historical understanding is apparent
and if bombing gaza is terrorism, then what should israel do when thousands of missiles are fired into its territory?
if mexico fired even one missile into california...dont you think america would answer such an attack?
"and if bombing gaza is terrorism, then what should israel do when thousands of missiles are fired into its territory?"
1. Wise up
2. pull out of the West bank
3. release all prisoners
4. get the Saudis and Jordanians to broker the peace and
monitor hamas and the other factions.
5. surrender their nukes
6. open the borders
And humbly and sincerely sit down and cut a deal.
for lack of trying were they.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
with the terrorism argument and civilian deaths being war crimes is that it is an argument no government would concede. Given the number of civilian deaths in say, Iraq I think the Hague would be a little backlogged dealing with all those US troops, their allies and government officials. Bit of a problem that.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Make threats on Iran then head on over and go through the theatrics with the Zionists. Obama did the same about a month ago. Big show, no results. When the shit hits the fan the USA will back the Jews 100%
The first step is getting to the table, it will all flow from there.
on the table first...She should have learned that from her Boss...That is precisely what he did to the clintons and he has done it to Congress.
She must take shorter trips..she has so far come home with both feet in her mouth every time...She needs a govrner on her mouth..This in itself is an outrage...she is going to talk to Arab leaders and she hands a pass to BiBi...and gives the Palestinians nothing... Does not even address the fact that Israeli leaders have allowed the water to be poisoned or dwindle to nothing..Shameless and stupid behavior from her and BiBi!
Obama usually acknowledges his mistakes and she is turning out to be a big one! He stood up and said stop the settlements and she got all fluttery over BiBi and gave him a pass. Too bad I had hoped that this would work out!
At least he gave her a chance!
A wise poker player knows Israel and the US are two of a kind.
But two of a kind rarely win, once everyone at the table knows you're a chronic bullsh***er.
until the US can stand up to Israel. And that will never happen.
Change we can only dream of...
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This is worthless, the US is Israel's bitch bought and paid for.
I think we can call the "peace talks" done and over.
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Obama promised peace so IMO we progressives should expect very soon Palestinians backed by UN troops knocking on the doors of the illegal Israeli settlers handing out the evictions. At least that's what we believed when we voted for him, didn't we? This time we shouldn't let Israel destroy the buildings though. Next step: Hillary should stop her diplomacy, because it doesn't work -- this is the job for Arab states and the UN. The only thing "unprecedented" is Hillary not recognizing the fact that one cannot give up anything previously stolen and call it concession. It's called justice, a thief's surrender, T.K.O., fellow Israelis, try to steal somebody's land in Iowa or Montana and you'll have a taste of how it's done in the ol' USA, not with rocks and rockets, but simple revolvers or shotguns, although if there was ever gun ban in America, rocks and rockets would be probably the weapons of last resort. Whatever protects the home... Whatever protects the land... V
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in Israel, both sides would have to run for their lives. Perhaps they'd find a new desert without oil, to kill each other over. Maybe a desert island somewhere where they wouldn't bother anyone else.
Israel has been a boil on the world's ass for 50+ years.
For those who blame the Israelis, or the Palestinians, I say:
This horrible situation is the fault of the USA. We've been 'enabling' them the whole time, for our own petty and greedy reasons.
Israel's contributed to medicine, agriculture, science, art and history. Israelis have won more nobel prizes then all the arab nations combined in the last 50 years. far from being a boil on the world's ass it's been a contributor to the world in countless ways. If you want peace, stop the hyperbole.
I suppose it fits....
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Thanks to all that US technology transfer and funding the Israelis are doing great in that department!
Then on the other hand, it's kinda hard to make those kinds of contributions when you live in a country that's a desert run by despots that are backed by the US huh?
Your hyperbole is killing me, stop please.
Isreal has conceded a LOT to the peace process in the past. And the Israeli soldier should no more submit to war crimes then the U.S. soldier should.
Nice of Israel to concede a LOT to the peace process of the War they started.
That's real gentlemanly.
ALL soldiers who commit WAR CRIMES should be prosecuted.
It's. The. Law.
what planet do you reside on?
How in the world did THEY start it? It was 5 nations that attacked Israel. Do you think THEY picked the fight? That's just an ignorant statement.
but im sure that as he doesnt see the right for israel to exist, he also blames israel for 48, 56, 67 and 73
And I am a woman.
Of course Israel has a right to exist. But not slaughter arabs whose land they stole. Why didn't they buy it, they get enough money from the USA?
Oh, yeah: God gave it to them 2500 years ago.
The vast majority of land WAS purchased, the rest a lot of it was won in a war which the Arabs started. Do you want to give back the land we won in the Mexican war?
Yes. Texas belong to the third world now
Texas, could easily becomes a member of OPEC if it was separate from the US, so I'd rethink that, or get off the oil teat first.
I hate being put in the position of defending this state, but as a native, it used to not be quite so effed up. But it is now, and if it stays this way much longer, then we'll see how the whiny babies here handle leaving the union.
I'll have to go for sure.....but I'll try to sneak Austin out in my luggage.
primarily who controlled the west bank and gaza prior to 48 until after 67, before you make statements such as "land they stole"
Even the Gaza incursion began because of them shelling Israel. I'll agree that their reaction wasn't the best, but how would WE react if Mexico started shelling California?
Insanity!
Israel used the collective guilt of the Holocaust to blackmail the western powers into illegally ceding Palestine to them.
No justice no peace, it is that simple.
was written before the holocaust
you lose
.. but the nation Israel wasn't created until after the holocaust ..
get your facts straight!
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
He don't need no stinkin facts!
Funny, that's the first time I've heard of it.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
false equivalencies, historical distortions...
gee...i'm impressed...
on this, as well as most progressive websites, the lack of historical knowledge regarding israel is astounding
they can shell all they want as long as they start with Bakersfield and Fresno. Perhaps they should spare Disneyland.
to History, all right.
Sheesh come on already people.
It's about that black, gooey, former dinosaur stuff underneath the dirt.
Jayzus hid those dinosaur bones there, 6000 years ago, Sara Palin said so
although, they have just discovered natural gas reserves off the coast
which would belong to the Palestinians, if they were permitted to hav e a state.
But open water, if there is no Palestinian State...
funny how that worked out , innit Joe?
whether it's dinosaur goo, or natural dinosaur gas. If it's worth money, they'll fight over it.
It used to be just about whose make-believe sky fairy was better, now it's all about the money. Probably always was, to be honest.
I can see the unicorns farting rainbows from my house
usually I don't comment on Israel. Presumably one side is more to blame than the other, tho I still think the United States is the most to blame.
I vote for a HUGE Volcano, like Krakatoa. Volcanos give lots of warning, everybody could skedaddle to the East West North and South.
So they're unprecedented. Great.
But what are they?
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Hey, if we can make each other feel good, we'll love each other . . that is obvious.
They are SECRET.
Shhhhhhhh.
state to exist within the geographic dimensions of what was formerly (like a rock star) "Palestine."
Acknowledging a sovereign Arab State would require the Israelis to share resources they have 'appropriated' from Arab Palestinians, often unjustly. It wasn't Israeli "industry' that made the desert flower any more than it was the ancient infrastructures and stolen water.
Can anyone actually imagine Bibi Netanyahu standing before a mob of 'settlers' and telling them they had to relinquish some share of "their" water to the "filthy Arabs?"
Neither can I...
Israel is going to be moved to the Baja Peninsula, and given a portion of the state of Florida.
Jerusalem and the surrounding Biblical area will be purchased in a joint deal by Disney and Universal studios, who will create "Bibleworld", a joint Judeo, Christian, Islamic theme park.
The remaining MiddleEastern countries will convert all energy resources to supplying BibleWorld as well as making souvenirs.
Happy?
The Mexicans? Feh...They'll move if you pay 'em enough...
let 'em sell souvenirs in Bible-land?
Fucking Genius!!
World Peace!!!
Well, we do need low cost employees for the many themed restaurants and sweat shops.
It would only seem appropriate...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
There weren't no guns in the Ten Commandments, were there?
Although, we will allow them in places of worship, and around the Navity.
New New Testament...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
after Iraq/Iran is purchased, for the casinos you know.
Gotta run Dubai out of business.
I like those odds!
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
What about my volcano?
As for Israel in Baja, Wouldn't the Bajan's object? Or would they say ""Phew! take it, it's allllll yours!"?
Mount Sinai will get themed up for that. Part dark ride and roller coaster.
Baja....see previous post for our low-cost (non-union) employees! :)
The settlements are a war crime under the Geneva Conventions. You shouldn't get praised for making minor concessions to your ongoing war crimes, crimes against humanity, and human rights violations. Rather, you immediately stop commiting war crimes, crimes against humanity and human rights violations and you hold those responsible for such actions criminally accountable.
Actually, Israel may have made some superficial concessions to peace, but Israel will not make meaningful concessions to peace. The security argument is what Israel uses to further its conquest of Palestine. That conquest is a mix of U.S. manifest destiny, South Africa apartheid, and Nazi Germany ghettoization. Israel cannot continue its conquest of land and water resources without using the "security" cannard. Consequently, the last things Israel wants is peace.
As soon as someone uses a Nazi reference i know we're they're coming from. It's not a place of honest debate but simple Jew Hatred. Don't pretend otherwise.
What if a jewish person used that reference? Would you accuse them of hating themselves? I think that's pretty unfair to play that card. but hey that's a good way to end a debate
if someone questions the viewpoint of the Israeli leaders they are called anti-semite or self hating jews or worse.
Many tried to shut down J Street because they are taking a more measured point of view.
Just like I can disagree with Obama's policies but not impune his character or integrity.
We need to realize that the USA has been complicient in the stance of the Israeli selected leaders but not put the total blame on the people---when it is the leaders!
...in this very thread alone, there have been numerous comments about "the Jews" (when speaking of Israel), and even how they 'control' the United States. The fear of anti-Semitism is one I cam appreciate, sadly.
Similarly, many of the responses in this thread are laughably one-sided, and posters like "uncle joe mccarthy"--no matter how contemptuous he may otherwise be--actually have something of a point when they note the lack of historical understanding demonstrated by those who criticize Israel wantonly, blaming the nation for everything that has transpired thus far.
Such individuals are not interested in peace, only vilification, and that's a shame.
Don't get me wrong: There is much for which Israel must be held accountable, and myriad concessions that need to be made. I do not disagree; I simply think that it hurts the peace cause to lambaste "the Jews," to ignore the very real and persistent problems Israel faces, to dehumanize Israelis altogether. So I have little patience for those individuals who offer nothing except for prejudiced nonsense while feigning a genuine desire to see the conflict end.
I have offered similar sentiments toward Zionists in the past, by the way.
'Cause, hey, a concession to an Egyptian is the same as a concession to a Palestinian.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
They've MADE concessions to Palestinians, the Palestinians rejected them.
Put up or shut up as they say.
n/t
it also offered to return the gaza to egypt....they refused
knowing full well that an occupied gaza was much more politically expedient than a free gaza....which btw, it never was when egypt controlled the area from 48 to 67
"Susan's statement that the Israelis have conceded little for the peace process in the past is proveably factually inacurate."
Please proceed.
I already did. The settlements and oil they conceded in the Egyptian peace treaty were NOT small concessions. The settlements they conceded in the Jordanian peace treaty were NOT small concessions. What they tried to concede and Arafat rejected in 2000 were NOT small concessions.
I mean even the Saudis conceded that they weren't small concessions!
And prevarication as well as misdirection.
That would have been to Egypt and Syria, NOT the Palestinians whose lands they had taken.
The peace talks are with the Palestinians there guy.
And Arafat is not a Palestinian now, guy?
And her statement was about the entire peace process.
I remember those concessions.
Israel demanded Arafat stop the attacks and Israel would continue on the way they had been.
Some concessions.
Well, Bill Clinton, the State Department AND the Saudis put the blame for the break down in peace ENTIRELY on the Palestinians.
While Israel was not willing to go back to the same borders as 48, it was willing to go back to the same land space AND allow Jerusalem to go under U.N. control.
The ONLY person in that delegation that insists that Israel wasn't willing to concede a lot was Arafat. Who's been known to lie.
Because a partitioned state is just the thing that the Palestinians were after right?
The Israelis were willing to accept one in 48. Another concession you refuse to acknowlege even exists.
Yasser Arafat is dead.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
So they followed through once in about sixty years when billions of dollars of American aid was attached as a condition in Sinai. The rest of your "proof" was a bunch of guessing on your part at best.
That is not a whole lot of concession from my perspective.
And they also lost billions of dollars because of their concessions.
Oh, and Susan used the word "peace process" she wasn't talking JUST about Israel vs. Palestinians.
Or are you just making it all up?
You have a most interesting way of trying to refute me, yet not using any actual facts.
For this huge list of concessions you were claiming, you seem to be grasping at straws.
You're not debating, you're refuting. These ARE concessions made for peace. You cannot name another nation that has conceded this much for peace. They've given up land they've won in wars they didn't start, they've given up property worth billions of dollars. They've held to peace treaties for decades. If you want to just keep insisting that it's nothing or little that's up to you. Some people don't mind looking like an idiot i guess.
Provide the proofs.
List these concessions you are speaking of and stop prevaricating and dodging.
I aleady did, several times.
You didn't.
You prevaricated, bullshitted and dodged the questions.
Yes, I did. Whether you thought these were good concessions is irrelevant. The Egyptians thought they were good concessions and thus peace happened. The Jordanians thought they were good concessions and thus peace happened. The fact is that Bill Clinton and the State department AND the Saudis DID think they were good concessions. So you're in the uninviable spot of disagreeing with EVERYONE but Arafat. You're also in the uninviable spot of having to pretend that these peace treaties don't exist and that somehow Israel is still at war with Egypt and Jordan.
Good luck with that.
Now that i've answered your question (though you're going to "bullshit" again and claim i didn't) can you name ONE concession the Palestinians were willing to make?
You haven't named any!
You just keep repeating country names.
Provide a list please.
A list exclusively involving the Palestinians, not Egypt, Syria or Lebanon.
So, when you're losing the debate, you just change the rules?
What Susan said was: "Of course, considering how little Israel has conceded to the peace process in the past, just about anything would look good. "
She didn't diferentiate between Palestine and the other nations, and neither did I. You simply decided that since the fact that these peace treaties exist and they don't fit neatly into your paradigm of Israel being evil incarnate, you're going to pretend they don't matter. They do to millions of Jordanians, Egyptians and Israelis.
Also, ALL delegates in the Peace talks of 2000, including the Saudis put the blame for the brakedown on Arafat. So yes, they did concede a lot. It's not Israels fault if Arafat wouldn't accept the concessions.
The question on this sub thread is directly related to the Palestinians, not the Egyptians or anyone else.
Care to lie some more?
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"They've given up land they've won in wars they didn't start, they've given up property worth billions of dollars."
They were paid for the property that they occupied by the United States in the war they started with Egypt. That is hardly a selfless concession. Also you appear to be confused in claiming Israel did not start the Six Day War as Israel initiated it by bombing Egypt.
So, again, please give me this huge list of concessions you are claiming Israel has followed through on. We are at one now, which is not much of a list.
Israel did NOT start the six day war. It was started because of the blockade and because of other actions by the Arabs. There's no doubt that the bombing of the Egyptian air base was a defensive action to prevent an EMMINENT Arab attack.
You "conveniently" forget that Egypt is also getting billions of dollars each year.
Again, the concessions in that peace treaty were not small nor insignificant. It involved the displacement of thousands from their homes, it involved giving up the ONLY oil reserves Israel ever had.
They were not taken as small concessions at the time, they're not considered small now, and you cannot name another nation that has given up that much for peace.
You're not debating, you're refuting. These ARE concessions made for peace. You cannot name another nation that has conceded this much for peace.
There is nothing for me to debate. You made an outlandish claim that I asked for evidence to verify. You made the claim that Israel has made huge concessions in the name of peace. Thus far, you have been able to name one single incident out. Since that one incident is also the only time Israel has followed through on peace terms to end fighting, I think you are clearly incorrect in your claims of Israel making great efforts to create peace.
Now you're just lying. You can't name a single time Israel hasn't followed through on a peace treaty.
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The apologists are out in force!
Using the same old prevarications and half truths as always.
Refreshing to know some things never change in the good ol' US of A.
please....enlighten me
I don't think that's possible.
Now that you've used some name calling, can you say we're i've typed a "half truth"?
Apologist?
What, is there some guilt about that you are harbouring or something?
I thought you were loud and proud about it.
That's where.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
are not considered shelling?
guess you go by the finkelstein idea that they are nothing more than glorified firecrackers
Hamas had stopped firing rockets into Israel for a total of 9 months.
No rockets at all.
Israel on the other hand continued to fire over the border until Hamas had enough and started firing rockets again.
Then Israel invaded claiming they had been wronged.
which was also a part of the ceasefire agreement
and not sure where you got the 9 month number from...the ceasefire was not that long
Sorry, that was 5 months.
And the Israelis broke the cease fire:
http://www.themediaoasis.com/Hamasrockets.htm
it wasnt even 5 months that the shelling ceased
sorry...even one shot fired ends a ceasefire
and again, the tunnel digging was also supposed to cease...it didnt...a violation
Hamas was arresting the people who were firing as required.
But you are an apologist so arguing fact with you is like arguing with a table.
Because Hamas is the group that is actually building and firing the rockets. If there is an instance where they acted to stop someone else from firing those rockets it is news to me. Certainly the UN commission cited those attacks as worthy of investigation as war crimes also.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Hamas had stopped firing and was arresting people during the cease fire (June to Nov 2008) that Israel broke.
Fact.
I know you don't like it but that is what happened.
Yes, they both should be investigated. I never disputed that.
I dispute that Israel is in the right about it.
As for war crimes, the list is much longer and far stronger for Israel's war crimes. As is the role call of dead caused by them in their collective punishment attacks.
the lack of supplies /medicine/water that were not allowed across the checkpoints or the wall...
Folks- this is a prime example of WHY THE PEACE PROCESS HAS BROKEN DOWN REPEATEDLY....NO one wants to claim their share of the blame or take responsibility for inhuman treatment! The ceasefire was 5 months and the Israeli 's broke the peace!
No one wants to acknowledge that rockets scare the children nightly or that they overplayed their hand and killed women and children--in retaliation... 60 years of guilt about the Holocaust is enough...like 60years of wrangling about ceased land is enough!
As to clintons 'unprecedented ' comment, she is once again CYAing for her husband who got played by Arafat! In a last ditch effort to get the Nobel--he tried to redeem his presidency...
only after hamas started the missile, mortar and suicide bombing attacks...and medical and food supplies always got through
i suggest you google what exactly was smuggled through the tunnels...it wasnt neccessities..
and im really tired of the holocaust argument...from both sides
the modern zionist movement started long before ww2
the balfour dec was signed long before the holocaust
the argument that the jews deserve the land because of their suffering is a strawman argument
there has been a jewish presense in the land for over 2000 years
from the time that the jews were expelled, there was never a accepted state or country on the land...it was occupied
and when the arabs had the ability to create a state, specifically between 48 and 67....they chose not to...and the un didnt seem to mind
or are you just permanently on stand-by to douche all over any thread where these matters arise?
can you write them and tell them im doing a good job?
would love an extra paycheck
pulled the pin on him and he came back as something..sox
Add: Remember tubesox (or socks) anybody?
Those were the days...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Shelling comes from, um, artillery shells.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
look it up
... of those wildly inaccurate Qassam missiles?
And the IDF killed more Israeli's than those glorified bottle rockets did.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
love it
it always comes up
i have yet to meet anyone willing to stand out in the open during one of those "wildly innacurate" attacks
maybe you can volunteer and prove me wrong
But you still haven't explained how these incredibly terrifying
firecrackersmissiles suddenly morphed into "shelling."How did we get into this sub-thread? Oh yeah, "half truths".
Corruption favors the wealthy.
or any other southern israeli city, and spew that bs to one of the victims of a "firecracker"
That's the retaliation ratio.
Also war crimes by destruction of critical infrastructure and siege.
You've heard of shelling. It's what the 101st Airborne had to endure at Bastogne.
Of course, I'm sure this guy in Sderot had it just as rough as troops enduring shelling during the Battle of the Bulge.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Every time they do this.
After all a million Arabs are not worth one Jewish fingernail, so said Rabbi Perin.
Gideon Levy writes in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz:
America, stop sucking up to Israel
AlJazeeraEnglish posts at YouTube:
South Africans 'fought in Gaza war' - 1 Nov 09
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
So you're going to use the fact that there's vibrant debate in Israel AGAINST Israel.
Show me the debate, any debate amongst the Arab nations and i'll be impressed.
No .. I just think the US should stop sucking up to Israel ..
You have trouble reading?
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
No, but part of the "sucking up" is us honoring part of the peace treaty.
Also, have you considered that the people most in favor of stopping aid within Israel are the hawks? They feel that it would be far better to "win" the war once and for all then to continue as it is going.
I disagree with them, but you're living in a fantasy world if you think that, once aid stops Israel will just concede to whatever the Arabs demand and then there will be peace and harmony.
then israel can finally join the free world and become a debtor nation....just like the good old us of a
oh, and then america would have to start paying top dollar for israeli tech that they have been using
This time we should INSIST that the Israelis DO NOT tear down the houses built in the settlements like they have in the past. When Israel became a nation the Palestinians did not get to tear down their houses so that the Israelis had to build new. Presently, many Palestinians have to drive by the homes that their father's and grandfathers had built only to be given "free of charge" to an Israeli family over 60 years ago.
Much of the money used to build settlements comes from "aid" given to Israel from the U.S. We should demand that those homes be left intact to given to a Palestinian family. Why waste resources when the global economy is in such a mess.
One State, democratic and secular. Deal with it.
the defenders of eretz Israel will hurl themselves from the battlements rather than live as one state with those whom they displaced, reviled, and oppressed for 60+ years...
AlJazeera: US U-turn on Middle East peace process - 01 Nov 09
When will government of the people, by the politicians, for the corporations perish from this Earth?
Not soon enough!
the US Gov't owns Israel, and Israel does what ever the American Gov't wants. All this "Peace Talks" happy-crappy is just the usual Kabuki. As long as it suits our government's purposes to have a Rogue State in the Middle East, Israel will be that state.
(Though we tried pretty hard with Iraq. In the end Hussein wasn't as agreeable as the Israeli Government)
Turkey in that statement
muslim...The real action in the middle east will be in Turkey in the future! Fantastic place to visit--great culture and fabulous people...They are moving toward being part of the EU...
But now they're moving towards the M.E. after France and Germany have fought so hard to keep them out of the EU. It's a huge geopolitical shift that's not getting much press in the US.
the American Turkish Council? I know Dennis Hastert has.
Haven't some of you progressives and liberals gotten the memo? Being critical in anyway of isreal gets you painted as being "anti-semite" or just "anti-isreal" even by other people who also claim to be progressive. Must be really tough for progressive and liberal jewish people who are also critical of Isreal, one can only imagine what they must encounter.
just woefully and purposefully ignorant
Uncritical and apologetic of war criminals as well.
You know what happens a LOT more then that? People who are anti israel whining about always being accused of anti-semitism. Accusations of reverse racism are one GREAT way of shutting down debate and not listening to reality, isn't it?
Particularly when they are right!
I hate that.
anti Israel, most are anti pound the piss out of the Palestinians until we have another 9/11 because of it.
bin laden never even talked about israel until long after the event
he was pissed that america was in saudi arabia
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