Good News, Bad News on Afghanistan Front
By Susie Madrak Friday Mar 27, 2009 10:00amThe good news is, Obama is asking for more troops in Afghanistan - but tying them to specific benchmarks:
The new strategy, which Mr. Obama will formally announce Friday, will send 4,000 more troops to train Afghan security forces on top of the 17,000 extra combat troops that he already ordered to Afghanistan shortly after taking office, administration and Congressional officials said. But for now, Mr. Obama has decided not to send additional combat forces, they said, although military commanders at one point had requested a total of 30,000 more American troops.
Although the administration is still developing the specific benchmarks for Afghanistan and Pakistan, officials said they would be the most explicit demands ever presented to the governments in Kabul and Islamabad. In effect, Mr. Obama would be insisting that two fractured countries plagued by ancient tribal rivalries and modern geopolitical hostility find ways to work together and transform their societies.
The bad news is, Taliban fighters in Pakistan have agreed to work with the Afghan Taliban to go on the offensive against them:
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — After agreeing to bury their differences and unite forces, Taliban leaders based in Pakistan have closed ranks with their Afghan comrades to ready a new offensive in Afghanistan as the United States prepares to send 17,000 more troops there this year.
In interviews, several Taliban fighters based in the border region said preparations for the anticipated influx of American troops were already being made. A number of new, younger commanders have been preparing to step up a campaign of roadside bombings and suicide attacks to greet the Americans, the fighters said.
The refortified alliance was forged after the reclusive Afghan Taliban leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, sent emissaries to persuade Pakistani Taliban leaders to join forces and turn their attention to Afghanistan, Pakistani officials and Taliban members said.
The overture by Mullah Omar is an indication that with the prospect of an American buildup, the Taliban feel the need to strengthen their own forces in Afghanistan and to redirect their Pakistani allies toward blunting the new American push.
The Pakistani Taliban, an offspring of the Afghan Taliban, are led by veterans of the fighting in Afghanistan who come from the border regions. They have always supported the fight against foreign forces in Afghanistan by supplying fighters, training and logistical aid.
But in recent years the Pakistani Taliban have concentrated on battling the Pakistani government, extending a domain that has not only threatened Pakistan but has also provided an essential rear base for the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan.
At the same time, American officials told The New York Times this week that Pakistan’s military intelligence agency continued to offer money, supplies and guidance to the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan as a proxy to help shape a friendly government there once American forces leave.
The new Taliban alliance has raised concern in Afghanistan, where NATO generals warn that the conflict will worsen this year. It has also generated anxiety in Pakistan, where officials fear that a united Taliban will be more dangerous, even if focused on Afghanistan, and draw more attacks inside Pakistan from United States drone aircraft.
“This may bring some respite for us from militants’ attacks, but what it may entail in terms of national security could be far more serious,” said one senior Pakistani official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not permitted to talk to news organizations. “This would mean more attacks inside our tribal areas, something we have been arguing against with the Americans.”
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George Bush has completely fucked up the situation in the middle east because of his mindless escapade in Iraq.
This is his mess and it will be forever.
go in there with overwhelming force like we should have done in 01 and finish it. Instead of creating another happy hollow feeding trough for the beltway bandits at the Pentagon for the next four years.
We haven't the forces to do that in the terrain there. That was what the Russian's tried in the 80's and you saw how much good it did them.
you go ahead and start with out us. We'll be there in a bit.
Take some of the neocons with you.
can ride some missiles waving their cowboy hats whiling yelling yehawwww.
Yet we still lose...
1. Our military is not designed for a long war. We do best with short-term objectives.
2. Our military is, at heart, a bureaucracy. Bureaucracies do not deal well with new ideas, or, in this case, a new style of warfare (urban insurgency vs. battlefield).
3. We do not hold the initiative. We lack command of the battlefield - a 'secure' convoy route that locals can suss out and which insurgents can drop IED's along is like wearing bright red uniform coats and marching in a straight line down a road with armed rebels hiding behind the rocks and trees.
4. We don't understand the enemy. Not in the sense of 'hey, Omar, let's have a beer!' but knowing the politics and religious dimensions we face. Our strategy in Afghanistan was the same as our strategy in Iraq. March in, sprinkle a little magic democracy dust, put the surface trappings of said democracy in place, and call it a win.
I highly recommend Brig. Gen. Rupert Smith's book, The Utility of Force.
I highly recommend Major General Smedley Butler's War is a Racket.
powerful force in the world with our military?
we're great at blowing shit up.
Dealing with masses of renegade ground forces holed up in cities and caves.
Not so much.
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And those who have a problem with that will be tortured....
Only in America!
The first thing they have to do is win the hearts and minds. Always easier said than done. Until and unless you can provide a valid economy to the people of this country, their loyalty will lie with whoever provides them with what we all want. A sense of security and a better life for our kids.
Not sure I see us doing that and every time an innocent is killed, it will get worse.
Ohhhh...is this another lottery to replenish the public coffers?
when the troops carried bricks of c-notes around to try and buy people off so they would be our friends.
Didn't work.
If he doesn't re-think what he's doing.
This, coupled with the economic fiasco, will make him a for sure one termer, then there will be a Republican backlash in this country so far to the right it will make all our heads spin.
Furthermore, it doesn't help our world-wide reputation to kick Karzai out of Afghanistan and install our own personal puppet government:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/22/u...
Boy, talk about freakin' chutzpah!!
I welcome our wingnut masters, and look forward to slaving for them in their corporate sweatshops.
much you try to reason with the cons they can never get enough money or war to satisfy them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
"Al-Qaeda and its allies -- the terrorists who planned and supported the 9/11 attacks -- are in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Multiple intelligence estimates have warned that al-Qaeda is actively planning attacks on the U.S. homeland from its safe haven in Pakistan. And if the Afghan government falls to the Taliban -- or allows al-Qaeda to go unchallenged -- that country will again be a base for terrorists who want to kill as many of our people as they possibly can."
What kind of "Inteligence" can say today that The Taliban and Alqueada planned and covered up 9-11?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRnwRxXJw6M
No good signal from OBAMA!
What a fucking mess.
That's because half his brain cells have been pickled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlObZqhUWpg
is the u.s. going to mind it's own goddam business. Everything we touch gets stirred up and turns to living hell for poor souls in the ME hornet's nest.
Do we take responsibility for creating hell on earth? Do we mourn 1.5 million innocents dead and counting? FUCK the scumbags old and new in it for a goddam buck. usa death economy at it's lying bullcrap best.
This gov't needs to be torn down, dismantled, humbled, and discarded so the rest of the world can live in peace. Fuck them all. It's a failure and has to come down.
This gov't needs to be torn down, dismantled, humbled, and discarded so the rest of the world can live in peace. Fuck them all. It's a failure and has to come down.
Who's gonna pay for the demolition?
a combination of choiceless choices as people lose their addresses, jobs and can't be stripped anymore. Sort of a natural blending of events and non-compliance making it somewhat difficult to carry out funding everyone's business but ours.
Bernie Sanders has it just about right...a populist push-back like they've not experienced since 1775.
There's nothing as dangerous as people with nothing left to lose.
They'll never stop fighting. Why would they? They've got nothing left to lose.
was referring to us, the flatfooted schlep with nothing left to lose.
...a small leap. "what the hell, why not".
be the Worlds Police Force and Biggest Arms Supplier to the World. Nothing like supplying today's friends with the latest and greatest knowing damn well they will be tomorrows enemies.
Quite a racket
Our motto: Peace Through Superior Firepower.
Want an enemy destroyed? We can give you the weapons to do that, by air, ground, or sea.
Prefer a more personal street-by-street approach and urban CQB? We have the latest in ballistic armor and tactical weapons to give your forces the edge.
Arms make the man.
the fundamentals of our military industrial complex are strong!
Weapons...America's growth industry.
Traditional manufacturing...not so much.
I especially love the new drones we've sold to Israel that they just used on the Palestinians in Gaza.
It was especially neat the way those drones blew that family away who were in their "pretty flowered" courtyard having tea.
What's cool about the drones is that they take perfect close-up video of their target then the video is sent to some place miles away where there's a bank of military video game players. They see that it's the target they want to kill and they just push a button and the drone does the dirty deed!!
So freakin' neat!!!
And what's super cool about the drones is that there's always video evidence of the killings!
Check this out!:
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?option=com...
do they have a parental warning on those video games?
You may call yourself crazytown but that's the sanest thing I've read here in a long time. I don't support US imperialism whether it's a "liberal" like Clinton, or "conservative" like Bush.
Jesus, this is the biggest between a rock and a hard place I think I have ever seen. Bush just half assed does something else and leaves it for the world to clean up. This one was such a big mess even his dad couldn't step in and fix it.
Bush? This is Clinton's fault..isn't it. And a failure on the part of Obama to not have seen this coming.
I'm just a female so what do I know, but I never thought war was the answer to 9-11. I thought sending special operations guys over there would have been a better way to do it. But hey, I don't even like guns so I doubt I know what I'm talking about. :)
that's why females, teh gays and pansy liberals don't understand the genius military strategy of GW Bush in attacking Iraq after 9/11!!
;o)
There's a distinct logical disconnect in bemoaning our being beset by a new kind of enemy, the rogue actor/terrorist ... and then imagining that the tried-and-true formula of military might will still solve the problem given enough time.
Our national response to 9/11 was far too much 'flinch' and not enough thought. It was emotional, not deliberate or rational. We allowed ourselves to be spooked and do essentially what the enemy wanted us to do - commit time, money, and resources to a battle we couldn't hope to fight. This isn't just an analysis of the moment, it's historical fact - the region defeated the British Empire and the Soviet Union.
We were asked to make sacrifices, but again, they were all rush-this-out-the-door, don't-stop-to-think jobs. USA PATRIOT. Warrantless wiretaps. Things that we should have stood up and said, "No, this is wrong." Instead, we got the Democrats waffling and wailing, but never standing the line.
We were told to go shopping! We shop here so we have to fight them over there.
..gave the Taliban and al-Qaeda the advantage. The problem was not enough ordinance at the onset and not enough acceptance of help from the world by the dumb-asses who ran the country in '01. When the Tora Bora mountains were referred to as craters, then the ordinance would have done its job. Only then, had W and Rummy and Darth put together an un-matchable force of every countries' military, then they could've gone in, mopped up, caught OBL, Omar, and then left, leaving everyone who hates us because "we're over there" would be happy.
Anyone need to know how NOT to run a war? There are still a lot of folks from W's administration looking for work and I'm sure W would accept a check to speak about f*&king up wars.
Obama's words aren't meant for the Taliban. A bunch of gun-toting religious thugs aren't interested in anything but their own delusions.
But neither are they entirely meant for the people of Afghanistan. Save for the labels and names, we're talking about America. A bunch of religious extremists and wingnuts holding a country hostage? Whodathunkit?
"But neither are they entirely meant for the people of Afghanistan. Save for the labels and names, we're talking about America. A bunch of religious extremists and wingnuts holding a country hostage? Whodathunkit?" - Shadowgm
Excellent analysis!!
We should follow our own advise and try to set up a democracy here!!!
Ha!!
THAT is the GOOD news?!?!
War mongers rejoice!
Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan totally, sooner rather than later.
but we don't have the money for the tolls.
This proving that Obama is a Christian terrorist no better than the Bush regime.
"Obama is asking for more troops in Afghanistan " thats good news?
Do I read the wrong blog? christ, wake up,
Nothing is going to change in this area unless the ISI in Pakistan is dealt with in one way or another. There is an amazing disconnect (amazing to me anyway) in the way this is seen through American and Pakistani eyes. Those there can see the ISI is going to be the problem and has been for years, so the idea that Pakistan is going to clamp down on militants is laughable when another part of the government is funding and helping them.
One guess who created the ISI.
and end with an A?
??
cha cha cha.
..tell all the women and girls to leave the country. Sorry World for the humanitarian crisis, but what's the alternative? Women being beaten for not walking fast enough; women kept uneducated; wow, they are such an enlightened group: the Taliban.
And anyone else for that matter who doesn't want to live in a Radical Islamic Theocracy should leave. Then we leave.
and it's time for women to move out of Utah too.
I was writing a very similar comment to yours and then I read yours. The Taliban are a bunch of horrid people. When you read about how they run things it gives you nightmares. We can't just turn our backs on the Afghanistan people right now and allow the taliban to take over again. I hate war and shit as much as the next peace lover, but I also think at this point we just can't leave that country to suffer as it would if we did.
POP
Leaving may not be the answer, but certainly neither is attacking, bombing, and killing them.
The Taliban IS terrible to its women and children. The death-rates for women and mortality-rates for infants and children in Afghanistan are probably still the highest in the world.
At the most basic level, the Taliban and Afghani warlords don't allow their women and children to receive health care of any kind from foreigners, so the only hope is to quickly get all kinds of Afghanis themselves trained in health care and let them care for their own.
Sending more military troops that threaten the Afghanis and Pakistanis even more is absolutely not the answer.
As much as we don't like the Taliban (Same as we din't like Saddan Hussein)it's not very smart to escalate the War in Afganistan. Remember NOT EVEN the FBI certifies or links Bin Laden to 9-11:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinla...
I think he is Buying the MIC-Neocon Plan (By the Way McCain says he loves Obamas Plan in Afganistan).
If scalates that will be his end because: There is no Money!
But POP...the Taliban used to be our best friends!!!
We were gonna do a cool pipeline deal with them!!
http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntn81969.htm
Guess now there's a little bad blood for some reason?
In the Farenheit 9-11 by Michael Moore:
http://www.freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=33
Nice Movie!
(Where women are treated REALLY badly) is our good friend!!!
Our bestest friend in the whole, wide world!!!
the u.s. ? Where women, men AND children are treated badly by the most punitive country of all.
What's the mission in Afghanistan again?
Peace?
Poppies?
The Taliban?
Al-Qaeda?
Need more midEastern prison-heads at Baghram for the panties of rapees that are piling up?
Somebody tell me again why we're there?
Somebody tell me again why we're there?
"I came for the waters"
"But...this is the desert."
"I was misinformed."
Control of the real estate for the poppies and the oil pipeline.
By being foreign occupiers, we are creating the enemies we fight..
We need to be out of there TODAY
yes...and remember to flush. Or you'll really make enemies.
This was as illegal and immoral an invasion as Iraq. We were dealing with the Taliban and didn't give a crap about their oppression and executions and Sharia Law until they wouldn't play ball on that oil pipeline.
After 9/11, we said "Hand over bin Laden".
They said "Bin Laden says he didn't do it. Show us your evidence before we do that"
We said "F-U", pulled out the invasion plans Bush coincidentally approved days before 9/11, and bombed the shit out of them.
Now Obama is going to build up there?
How did this get to be "The Good War", the war the left can support?
No - Here's the bad news - PERIOD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeUIAQin2zo
Random is a type of comedy to my kids. I'm officially old.
It was the "period" in the prior link that sent his fertile mind back into YouTube.
And thanks ysbaddaden for your thoughtful reply. It makes the whole posting comments thing feel worthwhile.
Random is an interesting word.
Mayhaps we can use it in reference to the ayn rand fanatics?
Full speed ahead, to combat those evil AlQaeda that were everywhere. Now, hmmm, no mention of AlQaeda. Now it's those evil Taliban that were ignored and even loaned money and arms before. Suddenly, they are the evil ones. Saddest part about this entire clusterf*ck? They have convinced normally sane people that the Taliban must be defeated. Just keep moving the goalposts and people nod "yup, yup that's right".
So now if the US military and government BS is even halfway true, the US has now invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, and wants to invade Pakistan, Iran, and if they don't stop it, North Korea. What the hell is wrong with people? How can anyone support this shit? Anybody that supports this murdering, is no liberal, and no damn progressive. If you support it, you are just another political party whore like Joe the Plumber.
and I think we need to get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan as soon as feasible. But I do grapple with the slaughter of innocents, whether it be in Afghanistan, Darfur, the Congo or elsewhere. Do we sit by watching thousands of men, women, and children be mercilessly murdered, or do we go in and help? And if we go in and help, does our presence just make things worse? Mind you, I believe that the imperialistic adventures in the middle east by George W. Bush were power grabs with a corollary objective to kill a whole bunch of brown people.
But what should the U.S. role be in conflicts around the globe where massive numbers of innocent civilians are killed or displaced?
with helping the helpless. That isn't the case here, never was. This is just a blatant invasion and occupation, because it is easy. The US government continues to ignore real plights of the poor, unless there is money in it for them sadly. But the electorate supporting murder, for any reason that isn't noble (and this one sure as hell isn't), sets themselves up for retribution somewhere somehow.
... someone else gets the idea that WE need to be liberated from our own home-grown repressive elements in the GOP and Religious Right?
but the u.s. will invade the countries to where the displaced have fled.
Name that monster.
There Is not "Good war" The only justified war was: the Independence from the Brits.
Not a single one after, have been justified but just manipulated and lied no matter who ordered.
..on your point of view.
I'm sure to the South, the Civil War was a "Good" war. I'm sure to the Germans, WWI and WWII were good wars.
I still believe Afghanistan was necessary but bungled totally.
there are many good wars.
The war on tooth decay.
The war on bad breath.
The war on science.
The war on Christmas.
The war on inane comments.
Yeah, I didn't like Star Wars either.
behooves someone to remind you when you are full of shit. I guess it's my turn. The Taliban, aside from being one of the most repressive regimes on the planet, did harbor and support Al Qaeda and provided the base from the Sept. 11 attacks were orchestrated. Who has suggested invading Iran and Pakistan outside of the extreme right wing? No one that I know and certainly no one in the current administration has suggested it. Not even the most extreme right wing nuts have suggested invading North Korea. You can't just make shit up and be taken seriously. It is perfectly possible for a progressive to support the stabilization of Afghanistan and it certainly is not up to you to decide which policies must be supported to qualify as a progressive. I don't know if you have a daughter but if you did I doubt you'd enjoy watching her have acid thrown in her face for (gasp) going to school. The situation in that country is a direct result of cold war politics and it is time to do what is possible to fix it.
Were not the targets of our "revenge" for 9/11 since the Pakistani ISI wired $$ to Mohammed Atta:
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/2007/05/...
And because the vast majority of the "hijackers" were Saudi Arabian. Even Bush admits it here:
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2008/01/16/bush-...
The F.B.I. to date states they don't have Osama bin Laden on their "Most Wanted List" for 9/11 because they don't have enough evidence to prove he was responsible.
So, riddle us all this Peter G: Why did we not wage war against Pakistan and Saudi Arabia?
Sure makes more sense to me.
Especially considering Bush was asked about Iraq's link to 9/11 and he said, "Nothing!!"
amen to that concerned warmongers unite behind your president!
you got that right concerned
How many wars have been fought in Afghanistan now? How long has it been that Western powers have tried to "civilize" the area, with no results? How many billions have been poured into these misguided efforts over the decades?
When the hell are we going to get it through our thick heads that fighting in Afghanistan NEVER WORKS?
..everyone who doesn't want to live there should leave and then we pull the door closed behind us.
Sort of going to war is like sort of being pregnant. Afghanistan is what happens when you sort of go to war!
everyone who doesn't want to live there should leave and then we pull the door closed behind us.
You picking up the hotel bill on your mileage points?
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put through a complete thought.
Like...dealing with refugees...food...shelter.
You gonna pay that bill? If so...fine. If not...how. UN? Ok. If not? How? Arab States? They do already. Ask the Jordanians how many refugee camps they have in their territory.
And don't foget to ask them who caused that refugee problem.
... who have done nothing wrong have to leave their home to a bunch of raving nutjobs?
Fuckin' Taliban can go drown. And then we can send the GOP after them.
The lack of political understanding and sense of the size of the world and it's problems...and any sense of perspective...by either the side of the political spectrum is mind numbing.
There is no simple solution. Period. There are issues.
The idea of "simple invasion and war" is the mistake that GW Bush made. AND the idea of "simply leaving" is not an option for all of the people in a country either. What? They just going down the block?
You think jobs are lined up for them in the Middle East. Poor populations are something the rest of the world deals with every day, and which NO AVERAGE AMERICAN has any perspective on.
So, please...spare me the simplist answers.
Duct tape CONgress, the past administration, and any in the present administration responsible, together and drop them off in the middle of a nice neighbourhood in Iraq or Afghanistan with a big sign on them saying......."I hate you poor people and want to kill you all"....I'm sure those poor people could take it from there.
dousing them with kerosene.
that denies almost 45 million of it's citizens healthcare. This nation bails out corrupt frauds to the tune of trillions. Sells arms used to create terror across the globe. Supports terrorist regimes. Has had direct hands in assassinations of foreign leaders. This nation is a threat to world peace. Has weapons of mass destruction and has used them. Flat out refuses to acknowledge global arms treaties and trade deals. Refuses to allow any form of democracy at all to form at the United Nations, to the point of ridiculing the entire organization it helped finance and now barely pays it's dues. It denies it's citizens rights with such laws as the Patriot Act, and actually monitors it's citizens outright, denying freedoms. Should there be a new NATO formed to take care of this rogue state?
..should invade and save us!
Americans as a whole are great people almost identical to Canadians with the same fears, wants and needs. But you chose your governments, and now have to pay the price. It's probably great being a superpower, but the cost of remaining one is huge. It's so big that it's impossible to keep. History shows us that over and over and over.
All that is heard about these messes are:
"why don't Iraqis just stand up and fight so we don't have to?"
"Why don't Afghans just pick up arms and repel those evil Taliban?"
etc, etc, etc........
Ever wonder if those in the MidEast don't ask "why don't Americans rise up and get rid of these corrupt murdering bastards that do it in their name?"
..I'll bet they do wonder why we don't rise up. We did vote the dictator out of office (thankfully, we weren't a full-blown case of dictator) but we've been left with an awful legacy in terms of Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq, well major mistake by W and he should pay for it. Afghanistan, had we actually gone in there with the generals leading the way and the bureaucrats sitting quietly making sure they listened and provided as they should AND with a clear mission, e.g. catch OBL and Omar, then go home.
Look War just sux, no doubt. You can't go into it lightly or you lose. You can't go into it without a clear plan from start to finish (remember Iraq, we won the war and lost the peace!).
And I hate W more and more every day we are in Afghanistan and Iraq.
can't "win" when winning was never a goal. Period. They aren't over there to complete the death of AlQaeda and the Taliban. They are over there bombing shit to tell everyone over there "ya, we can do whatever we want, and don't you even dare think about retaliating". But it's not working. It was never necessary to invade either of these nations. IF there was one man responsible for 911, it was a police matter, not a military matter. AND, according to the US government, they have already captured the mastermind behind 911, so just what the hell is everyone still doing over there?
Perhaps you and your countrymen..
Fri, 03/27/2009 - 12:22 — surfjac
..should invade and save us!
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Bring weed.
Well I've been in the minority since 2001 and don't see any reason what-so-ever to change my position. Which is - that the more troops BUT with benchmarks is BAD news... because the ONLY benchmarks that the US military should have in Afghanistan is how to gracefully get out as quickly as possible. If you actually want any kind of chance for stability that is.
as long as the loose u.s. cannons swing around like spin-the-bottle choosing who's land is next to get blown to kingdom come (and poisoned forever).
These jackals don't represent us. O was packaged for Oprah. B from hell. They're essentially out of the same ass.
I say the war would end tommorrow if they supply the hashish, and we supply the bongs
And the Twinkies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLQeYRdPa6w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unhzflofDK0
It's no longer just Afghanistan but Pakistan as well. Apparently they have Taliban and/or Taliban like units working in conjuction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkO87mkgcNo
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"The good news" is the man we elected to end the War on Terror is expanding it? I thought the whole point was to end the war. That is what he ran on. That is what his supporters were told he would do. Why do people including posters on this site who hated the Bush War now love the Obama War?
Some people here sound like the Bush Administration, "We must finish the job. And win the war on terror or the boogie men will get us."
What a scam!
Barack W. Bush
21 thousand more wasted lives wasted money ! what say you now? its no longer the bush cheny wars its your wars! yuk it up folks i told yah so! time to back your president thiers plenty of room for more suckers in todays army!
and oh yeah i know what the bad news is !so whats the good news? some how i expected to see many folks here lick thier lips and giveing group hugs at the thought of more warmongering by obamas administration, you can not , i say again not!!! blame the rest of what happens on the chimp, forget that bs , you who support this faschist regime are the new war criminals !
here I can't believe how many are buyin this. Not even questioning where their reasoning came from, as if it were actually real. Revealing and saddening. Fuckin depressing straight up no ice.
I heard mandatory Natioanl Service is being rushed for the senate, and there's outrageous implications in it for misuse of young people. Hope to christ I'm wrong.
If this was treated like a police action , as it should have , there would be at least 10 thousand Afghan civilians alive , millions less radicalized against the U.S. policy of invasion and occupation and BILLIONS more left for U.S. infrastructure .
This endless killing in Afghanistan and Iraq , is for the U.S. policy of " projecting power " and Obama is the next suit to take it to the next phase . Remember since there is virtually no Al Qaeda in Afghanistan according to Prof. Juan Cole and the Taliban were business partners in the late 90s , being invited to UNOCAL HQ in Texas, to discuss and train in OIL pipeline technology and being represented by Layla Helms , daughter of CIA head Helms , I wouldn't believe anything this gov. says about overseas .
Spending BILLIONS , killing thousands of civilians yearly , for WHAT , for the Taliban w/ no standing army , no air force , no navy , not a fkn crop duster , makes us look like either paranoid super power or another murdering Imperialist Nation , bent on controlling Eurusain resources, building pipelines , controlling transit routes and Obama has no problem doing the same in Pakistan and continue the militarization of Africa w/ AFRICOM , the U.S. controlled African army and he must be for the U.S. attack on Somalia , that has killed thousands , only being reported overseas and censored by U.S. media . Ya Homey has no problems with U.S. GUNSHIPS spraying perceived enemies in Somalia and aided by Ethiopian Military accused of killing civilians and raping women , ....trained , armed by the U.S.
This is precisely why they hate us , which GUARANTEES a constant source of enemies .
schizophrenics everywhere have come into their own, blending in nicely in the usa hall of mirrors.
unfortunate for Africa and every other country we can think of, new american slogan "Let Us Prey".
we narrow/entertain ourselves on bill 'o & whichever too-easy target we won't see the enormity of our own usa's plague upon the world.
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