GOP Attacks Birth Control Funds in Bill, Obama Knuckles Under
For once, I am firmly in Nancy Pelosi's corner. Of course an economic stimulus program should include family planning funds.
And God, how I hate these cynical Republicans - and the spineless Democrats who roll over for them. Only someone who's never been poor is breathtakingly stupid enough to believe that birth control doesn't have an immediate effect on the economic health of a family - or someone who's cynical enough to draw a line in the sand over something he doesn't believe anyway - like John Boehner.
What, an additional wage earner has no economic impact on a family? Or have we suddenly awakened in a world where free daycare, diapers and formula abound?
What makes me so furious is, we don't need the Republicans to pass this package, anyway. Why, oh why are we knuckling under to the people who have already demonstrated their utter indifference to the poor - and their economic incompetence? We voted for Democrats because we didn't want to see important legislative decisions based on right-wing memes:
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WASHINGTON – House Democrats are likely to jettison family planning funds for the low-income from an $825 billion economic stimulus bill, officials said late Monday, following a personal appeal from President Barack Obama at a time the administration is courting Republican critics of the legislation.
Several officials said a final decision was expected on Tuesday, coinciding with Obama's scheduled visit to the Capitol for separate meetings with House and Senate Republicans.
The provision has emerged as a point of contention among Republicans, who criticize it as an example of wasteful spending that would neither create jobs nor otherwise improve the economy.
Under the provision, states no longer would be required to obtain federal permission to offer family planning services — including contraceptives — under Medicaid, the health program for the low-income.
Democrats considered the politically-potent change as congressional budget experts estimated it would take slightly longer for the overall legislation to achieve an impact on the economy than the administration projects.
Oh look, now Obama is throwing mortgage modifications under the same bus!
Is Obama A gop lapdog yet, Because is seem like he is.
Because it seems like you are.
How G.W.Bush Supporter of you. It's not like he's really shown a willingness to stand up for Democrats. The biggest show of spine So far seems was "I won" where that go?
He isn't bush By far but why such Efforts to gain such GOP aproval.
liberalNmoderation,
Why the hate? Why do you resort to attacking the guy? Do you have a GOP membership?
Anyway. Open your eyes. Obama = Bush light. Have you read the signing statement vis-a-vis GITMO? It's PR. Wake up!
Obama and the Democrats = Republicans!
You have all been bamboozled. The earlier you take note, the better this country will be.
John Amato wont put up a fight since he thinks he "helped" put Obama in office. You are mistaken sir. You have been used.
You two must be on teh crack.
I'm a card carrying Democrat and Liberal thank you very much.
Seems to me that Neoatg is the righty...and you..."The Truth"
Spare me the Dem=Repug spiel, ok?
Obama ain't perfect, and this is an example of that.
But IMHO, he's 180 degres from bushco.
I think it's YOU tow that have been duped.
Someone called me a righty. Normally the Pro choice, Hate for Organized religion, and other liberal views get me A Radical liberal label.
The lapdog comment just made me see red.
That and the fact that I'm coming down with the flu...I just have a short fuse lately.
It's kinda hard for me to concentrate for long...
I'm goin home, I'll be back when I feel a bit more clear headed.
And before I call anyone else names.
A righty. The fact is the same Blind faith that GOPs had for Bush can not be used for Obama. Too much is at stake for Obama or anyone for that matter not to be questioned.
provided by misinformation about this issue by all sides, including the author of this post. See below.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
is in the tank for anything against Obama.
And her blog is crap.
Hillary lost!
About Hillary. Obama is being played By the GOP, and low and behold after all the so called "Bones" Obama threw to the GOP what did they do.
That's right they voted Lock and step against it.
I want a Democrat with a backbone at long last. I want a democrat that will get off this fake high horse that they have been on for 2 years. The GOP have gotten there way while dems Play this "we must work with" game.
Obama needs to treat these republicans like a new puppy. Show them who's boss from day one. If he let's them set the rules now he'll never get this country out of the ditch!
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Diabolus est Deus Inversus
i think that there needs to be a seperate bill to deal with all health care issues
sticking this into the stimulus plan was pure cowardice
I hope they do revive this when they get around to healthcare. Maybe that's why they backed down so easily. But the author is right. It makes perfect sense to include this as part of the stimulus package.
yes, states are hurting in terms of health care
yes, family planning is important in terms of the economy
however, the stimulus plan must remained focused on job creation and rebuilding our infrastucture
and im sorry, but it is time for the dems to stand up and be counted on the choice issue
this allows them to hide once again
if they are fearful that their core beliefs will lose elections, they cannot lead
Our Democratic leaders are expert knucklers under.
Obama has to respect that it is a core value for Republicans. Birth control for other folks should be abstinence only. Same core value for healthcare for other folks...abstinence.
Be polite, but nobody has to respect someone else's morally bankrupt opinion, even - especially - when it's cloaked in religiosity. The Republicans brought the world to the brink of destruction paying no heed whatsoever to the Democrats. The Democrats asked for and got NOTHING. Even when they became the majority and issued subpoenas the repugs ignored them, and the Democrats knuckled under. To continue to give Republicans sway over our lives would be criminal. No more kumbaya.
Anus Only. Abstinence Only makes kids stick it in the pooter instead. Been proven. They're going to stick it somewhere no matter what you do so you might as well point them to the right hole and tell them to put a raincoat on.
Obama is not a GOP lapdog. He's a pragmatist and understands in order to get anything done with 59 Democrats in the US senate, he has to kiss a little Republican, country club tail.
This is very different from being a lapdog.
...what makes you think they'll stand up to the neocons when it's part of a health care bill. Repugs aren't going to allow any significant change to our health care system and Dems don't have the spine to stand up to them.
I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
Shortness of breath usually is the first sign of ill health.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Which, given the circumstances, is somewhat amusing.
The link to President Obama's (ohhh that was a delight to type!) email goes nowhere.
inaccurate the link might as well be too.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
We learned during the campaign that President Obama picks his battles. This time the big picture is more important than the sum of its parts. Rather than spend weeks fighting over this, let's just get the thing passed and then come back later to pick up what had to be jettisoned.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
They weren't the winners this time. If they can't work with the President who represents the majority of voters in this country, then they need to be shown the door.
Remember "I won!" because I do. WE WON. Now we can quit acting like losers.
They're impeding Progress.
me-oww!
All over the country the GOP is associated with losing and all of the problems we are faced with. Only the criminally stupid or the country dumb gives a fuck what they think.
Obama is only listening to these fucks to gain a moral high ground.
Fuck 'em all the more, because nothing they do is for the good of the country. By this point, it's just a criminal enterprise whose only adherants are sociopaths.
Is the key phrase.
Of course they realize that controlling birth rates has a direct effect on finances and the economy.They have simply decided its more politically advantageous to spin this as more frivolous and irresponsible lard.Its reprehensible.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
So now the Repigs will happily vote for the bill?
Wrong. They'll still vote against it. And nothing will have been accomplished for taking family planning out. When will Dems EVER learn??
It's been going on since 2006 elections. They don't care about working together they have continually shown that it's "their way or No way"
Flex the muscles already Obama.
with this in, they could pull that right to life bs
now all they can say is that they hate the american worker
dems win
pelossi is a weak leader...she needs to go
It's unbelievable (well, unless you've been a Democrat for a while) that Pelosi is totally unprepared in this segment to respond intelligently and convincingly on the issue of family planning money being included in this bill. She looks like the classic deer in the headlights. How could she not see this question coming and be prepared to respond to it?!
Pelosi and Reid are two of the most spineless, unconvincing and inarticulate "leaders" I have ever seen. These two couldn't sell weed to Deadheads. Reid makes Daschle look like a raging bull by comparison. Unless the Democrats come up with some real leaders in Congress able to sell their policies to the American people, the Democratic agenda will continue to be at the mercy of the minority party. Of course, the more likely explanation is that they are simply paying lip-service to the people who voted for them while pledging allegiance to those who finance their campaigns.
quote the raven never more
Get a grip. The provision in question to my understanding does not add a nickel to family planning funds. It removes a requirement that states apply for and get a federal waiver if they want to use Medicaid funds for family planning. This does not get an extra nickel to anyone, create a single job, or save any real moeny that would otherwise be expended. It is typical liberal symbolism followed by typical conservative misinformation, followed by mainstream and blogosphere misinterpretation.
All the Secretary of HHS has to do is expedite waivers for states that want them. And the rest of us STFU.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
thank you
thank you
thank you
amen
of at least 49 stupid posters and bloogers who have fallen for this crap.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
that's what she said
and watch two incredibly stupid people, Rep Gingrey and Chris Matthews discuss this with Henry Waxman. The first two show how stupid the opposition is. Waxman shows why this provision is an inane
addition to an economic stimulus bill because he cannot defend it.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
It's Robert Wexler.
this shows Obama has good insight into the political opposition. The Republicans have to see themselves as having influence so Obama throws them a piece of kibble in a throwaway clause that should properly be attached to other legislation (and will be I bet). While the Republicans are busy patting themselves on the back for their stunning victory things that need to get done get passed. The nice thing about this technique is that it will work time after time. The Republican party has devolved into a a beast that operates only on reflex. Obama is wise to use that while he can.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
So the Birth Control Funding clause was a false flag and the Republicans took the bait. The article is kind of vague on why Obama "knuckled under" aside from saying that the administration is courting the Republican critics. Can anyone provide a link?
if you follow this canard around. According to AP, Obama told Waxman he did not think this provision should be kept in the bill.
Various blogs have headlined this (if it is accurate) as Obama Caves and Knuckles.
The Family Planning Waiver release (not funding) was proably well intentioned by a progressive Congressperson. But it adds no money or jobs. It only attracts Republican screaming and misinformation.
Hence its inclusion was probably a well meaning but meaningless effort that had unintended copnsequences (giving the Stupids ammo to appeal to their following.)
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
your refering to as a "canard". And I ask again can you provide a link?
Can't get the link but TPM covers it also. They use cave instead of knuckle under.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
that little drink cart like the Stevens had on Bewitched.
Oh, and I think this is the AP link you were refering to.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/...
Getting the Economic Stimulus Bill passed is the immediate key. Obama can always revisit this Birth Control Funding later. Obama "knuckling under" is somewhat strong.
And Obama should ask Pelosi "so now you want to say no?"
Birth Control Funding would take time to implement and should be considered under a Healthcare plan anyway. The country needs to get back to work. So now what are the Republicans gonna to whine about in regards to the Stimulus Bill? Well...with them there is always something I guess.
to a republican, I would have something in the package that would be easy to give up on. Birth control funding is one of their core values and easy to take out of the package.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5j8cxH17WA
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
but not necessarily of the economic kind.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpqV5Qwv1eY
But, I have kids.
The republicans are acting like children trying to get attention. The more the public sees what they are doing, the deeper that hole gets that they are digging for themselves. At this point no one with any sense is fretting over this, they want to see action and answers as their lives go down the drain. Obama has given the children a piece of candy to keep them busy so the adults can go about doing what is needed.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
When Boehner starts talking about the "package" being too large and about what his "members" say.....My mind goes right in the gutter and I start laughing.
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
Are you busy this Saturday? {:->
Well, it IS all about stimulus......
of Boehner using that line in a singles bar, wearing his lounge lizard suit, drinking a Tom Collins and hitting on the Blonde sitting next to him.
...Al Coulter! hahahahah!
when he finds out Coulter's "package" is bigger than his.
whether the birth control funds are in or out. So how much do you want to bet they find something else equally ridiculous to flap around about?
in the provision in question. This blog is incorrect and ought to be corrected. Listening Site Monitor?
Other than that, Rico, your point is well taken.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I don't know shit-all about economics or how to stimulate the economy (finger its prostate?) which puts me on par with just about everyone in congress I think, but I think given the obliqueness of this policy within the context of the stimulus package, combined with its surefire 'piss off the conservative' nature, perhaps this was put in, just to get the rnc all frothy, then pulled to make them calm down. In other words, political ju-jitsu?
About time to see something Action orientated on this site. Thank you Suzie.
on misinformed anger over a fairly meaningless if highly symbollic provision in a bill on a different subject.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Please fix this. My mother was the head of family planning covering north central Florida during the mid 70's. How anyone can deny people family planning options, mostly migrant workers and and working poor is beyond me. I am a first generation Scot. My mother being an immigrant from Scotland and putting her blood, sweat and tears into these poor communities showed me what it's like to care...this is a word most Republicans have deleted from their vocabulary. President Obama is the same age as I am. I have travelled and slept in these communities/camps as my mother made her rounds. It was a real eye opener. She wasn't just pushing condoms and the pill. She was educating people, men and women and their children (headstart) on the choices they have to make a better life for themselves. This is exactly what the Boehner (sp?) turds and their ilk don't want. Grass roots activism. I've seen the crosses burn in the fields, Sorrento, Fla. comes to mind. Please fix the link so that I can appeal personally to President Obama.
thanks,
Boozemop
It has to do with the process by which states get to spend Medicaid money and can be fixed without the provision that is being inserted into or removed from the Economic Stimuls Bill.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
The republicans have already been bitten by middle class grass roots organizing. They are now trying to nip the problem in the root(bud), ie the disaffected.
but it doesn't get around the fact that there is much gnashing of teeth over a provision which is basically meaningless and can be accomplished by the Obama administration through the actions of his HHS Secretary.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I don't have a full grasp on this issue but when I hear the republican meme about condoms and such, the people who would benefit the most are sidelined. I think, they (the republicans/plantation owners ... and yes they still exist, see Belle Glade) don't want any more gov't funding to go into these super poor communities where it would help these people gain a voice in these proceedings. Grant you, I haven't been back to these camps since the 70's, so they might have the internet now.
best,
Boozemop
from a bill that only allows Republicans to scream and the media, including this blog, to misinform, constitutes knuckling under by Obama, then some folks are easily outraged. Kind of like the right.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Right On, Susie Madrack. I am in a very bad mood today, so.
I think we should invest in Bedroom security, cameras in all bedrooms across America, also we should invest more in tax cuts for sexy lingerie, tv's and nascar. That should stimulate something. I say more seductive TV programs about pregnant teenage christian children too. Disney come on your not doing enough to exploit the children. Stimulate NOW!
WOOT, buy bye America, bye bye.
We need another Democratic primary in 4 years. A candidate with balls.
Have you read any of ricky's comments here? By pulling this provision out of the bill, the President has shown he is willing to work with them, to listen to their concerns, AND AT THE SAME TIME, he knows full well they will vote against it.
All of which will prove to the public that no matter how hard he has tried to appease the Thugs, they are obstructionists and will never vote for anything he wants. He can do this any number of times and just prove his point over and over.
After awhile, he can just ignore them. But he will have been shown to have tried.
of accomplishing what is in the Medicaid Family Planning provision simply by getting Secretary Daschle to expedite granting waivers to states allowing the use of the funds which the amendment in question aims to do.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
the $200m worth of funding?
As with all the various articles floating about, it is hard to figure which, if any, are accurate. The one quoted in this blog doesn't put a dollar figure on the provision. I have seen the $200 m you use somewhere as well. The main point of the provision seems to be to let states without already approved waivers (there are 26 with waivers already)
spend Medicaid funds for family planning. I would guess the $200 million assumes some new states will pony up state funds for this purpose in order to draw down a federal match, and this $ covers that match.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
That's a awful lot of rubbers, unless your Elliot Spitzer, in which case might last him through the weekend.
You nailed it. Obama threw them a bone so they wouldn't lose face by passing this bill without the appearance of having put up some kind of a fight. Brilliant!
OMG.....I was so hoping for REAL Change!!!!
(the 'link' to contact President Obama doesn't work...?????)
We won the election. We have the votes. Now, lets fix the economy.
Stop worrying so much about making the Republicans mad. Fix the economy. Bill Clinton won the election, and he passed his economic plan without one single Republican vote. And the economy flourished.
The only thing you owe the Republicans is to tell them what you are going to do. Stop buckling under every time a wingnut goes on Foxnews and starts whining. Fix the damned economy.
I am a show me guy.
So far, I ain't seen much. Alot of "gestures"...close Guantanamo in a year (shit, if they REALLY wanted to...they could close it tomorrow), pull out from Iraq in 16 months...maybe...no more handouts to big business...maybe...
I'm still waiting to be impressed.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
L&P...
Good to see you posting as always
The problem is that they're (Dems) going up against the corporate media, which has been in the bag for con-servatives and their hocus pocus BS since the 70s...
The key to winning over the american public...frame the debate, political theater, and make those insufferable POS scumbag GOPers face up when they filibuster, call their bluff....
We don't inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children - Native American proverb
If being cold means there's no such thing as global warming, does being full mean there's no such thing as world hunger?
Agreed, however, calling their bluff opens you up to even more political scapegoating.
I do however agree with the view that we the Dems should take a chapter out of the GOP playbook and just jam shit through.
The real reason why they aren't is this...it isn't the corporate media...it is the political pressure being applied behind the scenes by lobbyists for big business. Representatives and Presidents are politicians that live and die by corporate donations.
THIS is why Washington is broken. Corporate lobbying needs to be OUTLAWED. It is totally based on a single Supreme Court ruling, the worst IMO in history, that decreed that money is free speech.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
You're absolutely spot on....
The consultants & DLCers are beholden to the opinion polls of the masses...
But as you say, its always the money, and as long as we have 650 Billion dollar defense budgets, we'll never be able to take this nation into the 21st century...
We don't inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children - Native American proverb
If being cold means there's no such thing as global warming, does being full mean there's no such thing as world hunger?
The FOIA thing and the ban on torture thing. Those were nice.
right thru...cause they didn't cost any money.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
To see the vehement knee-jerk reactions to an issue it appears few understand clearly. And yet, somehow, life goes on.
that the wingnut misinformation shit over essentially meaningless crap can drive people batty on both ends of the spectrum?
It tires me. Especially when many of the most vehement protests come from idiots who sometimes claim I add nothing when I seek only to amuse, then go batshit when they are seriously in error.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
1) The single largest tax increase in U.S. History.....Ronald Reagan, doubled the social security tax...
2) 'Starve the beast'....unchecked spending while cutting taxes...no one ever thought Ronald Reagan would be outspent....and then the world was introduced to Grover "Pedophile" Norquist and George "Karl Rove's pretend Cowboy" W. Bush...
So all this BS that Boehner & McConnell are blowing....if you know your history, you can debunk their efforts to stop change (ie, con-servatism)
We don't inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children - Native American proverb
If being cold means there's no such thing as global warming, does being full mean there's no such thing as world hunger?
they'll just respond "that was then, and things have changed".
That's their standard response when you point out their hypocrisy; that times have changed, or the situation is different, or whatever. It's really just one of many variations on the It's Only Okay If You're A Republican theme.
$500 checks for everyone when the "fundamentals of our economies is sound"??? "Yay, great idea!!!"
An economic stimulus package when the economy is teetering on the brink of depression??? "What?! That's fiscully irresonsable or sumthin'!!!"
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
Lets you email the Whitehouse.
thanks.
Boozemop
Unbelievable. We are trillions of dollars in debt, millions of jobs have been lost, thousands more by the day, and the conservatives are still up in arms about who gets an erection! Talk about stupid. Ok, I will explain it too you. The conservative majority leader probably lives in a nice house in Ohio with wifey and kids. Obviously, the man is so blind, that even in his city, Tom is going to bone Susan, Jose is going to bone Rosela, Tyrone is going to bone Felicia, and either, Tom, Jose, or Tryrone may bone Phillipe. Simple scientific fact, Susan, Rosela, or Felicia may get pregnant, none are rich or ivy league, they will apply for $aid. Hapless and stupid Republicans for the last decade have spent all the money, it's not there. If Tom, Jose, or Tyrone use a condom, Susan, Rosela, and Felicia do not get pregnant, thus, government spending is curtailed.
a guillotine on the Washington mall already? Why the pussy footing around?
Separate the family planning thingie from the stimulus bill.
Introduce it separately and pass it by 51%. Tell Boehner and whomever else that those are the breaks.
Meanwhile, maybe we can do something about the fucking economy before the U7 unemployment rate hits 20%.
This is a GOP scam to misdirect and sow dissent. We are talking about 200 million dollars out of 800 BILLION.
and be passed right away. Or the money can be put in the budget in a Supplemental Appropriation. The waiver isse can be handled by Secy. Daschle without Congressional action. This is a bullshit issue on both sides.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Nancy Pelosi is a big disappointment. The only person who rivals her uncanny incompetence on forging advancement of a legislative agenda is Harry Reid.
these two people are the most incompetent, inept, ill equipped "leaders" that I have ever seen inhabit the Congress.
Hillary Clinton should have been Senate Majority Leader (and I'm not even a Hillary fan), cause she's smarter, savvier and quite honestly has more balls than Harry Reid.
Nancy Pelosi is a mess. Totally unqualified. Period.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
"Oh Harry what should we do, keep looking forward or pause and look back a bit"? " I just do not know Nancy I`ll call Rahm or Steny and get some direction.
I still don't get Pelosi being ML. She always seems totally unprepared for the debate, and flummoxed that anyone would dare ask her a question. It's like she doesn't understand the nature of her goddamn job.
"Why, oh why are we knuckling under to the people who have already demonstrated their utter
indifference tocontempt for the poor..."fixed it for you.
oh, look
it's a one party nation as usual---republican
are we sure bush and cheney have left the whitehouse?
i demand that the democratic party i am a part of,
do just what they promised in their campaign speeches
and not let the criminal gop continue to run the country.
Get some BALLS DEMOCRATS !!!
thier are no democrats left !they went to take a crap and the hogs ate them!
Just want to say...I TOLD YOU SO!
All this 'reaching out' is what I feared anout an Obama presidency and why I supported Clinton in the primaries.
Anyway when the time comes to nominate judges I Hope(tm)Obama does the right thing and fucking tells the republicans to shove it.
As the losers continue to dictate "faith based" policy, they are also getting $23 billion in pork
From Americablog
"At least $23.8 billion in corporate tax breaks have been included in the $825 billion economic recovery package in order to win backing from key business groups and their Congressional allies, even though the team that put the legislation together believes the breaks have little value in stimulating the economy and creating jobs."
So, no money for birth control funding for the poor, but we got PLENTY of money for the above cited crooks and liars.
What are the repubs going to use the funds for now? Maybe an Abstinence(Anus) Only education program?
Some one tell the Dems they won! Now take a lesson from Dick, when dems asked for some thing, VP DICK said"FUCK-YOU". reed plo-see need to give up there job for a real dem. treat the repugs just like they did from 2000 to 2006. they want to have a hearing, put them in the basement with no lights. Or Pres Obama should hold a TV Q&A and tell the people of America who and name names of people who are fucking things up.
Thank God someone else above thought of it too..Yes, I realize Rome was not build in a day. From the internet;
".. in 2003, groups dubbed "faith-based" received $1.17 billion in grants from federal agencies, according to documents provided by the White House to the Associated Press.
That's not enough, said H. James Towey, director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. An additional $40 billion in federal money is given out by state governments, he said.."
If you continue to look at websites, you will see unknown Evangelists selling seminars on how to tap into this goldmine for $199 !!
I imagine this would be rather hard to give up...
What does birth control have to do with our economy which is the worst in our history..
It is time to start passing legislation on it's own merit and stop putting all this pork barrow BS into legislation which is for something entirely different then what is being voted on...
Democrats --- Republicans are doing the same type of BS... They are only using different words to keep in control..
Obama is listening to the same democrats which have been supporting Bush's crimes for the last 3 or more years..
Just how involved are the democrats in the crimes of Bush's administration or how many republicans have been elected on our democratic ticket as a democrat...
None
Family Planning and Birth Control are totally different issues and need to be dealt with in a different way at a different time. We need a real open frank and public discussion of family planning issues. Tucking funding into an Economic Stimulus package is wrong because it does not provide the kind of job creation that we are looking for and because reproductive rights issues are too important to be handled this way.
If people who cannot support themselves continue to have children they cannot support, there is a solution. Not handing them more Gov't funds.
Norplant, or any other completely reversable form of birth control.
/no, it's not sterilization.
What do you think we are talking about here?
How do you suppose we can provide people with Norplant or any of a number of other good options without government funds?
"we don't need the Republicans to pass this package, anyway. Why, oh why are we knuckling under to the people who have already demonstrated their utter indifference to the poor - and their economic incompetence?"
Maybe if I say it louder:
BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP IS COMPLETELY CONTROLLED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!
The Dems have been under the direct control of the GOP since Acting-President Reagan was allowed to get away with flagrant and treasonous violations of the US Constitution. The Dems have continually done ONLY what their GOP overseers have allowed them to do, and now we have Obama bowing to his master. Pelosi, Reid, Emmanuel, all of them are GOP operatives that call themselves Democrats but do exactly the opposite of the Democratic platform.
Pete2069 says,
"What does birth control have to do with our economy which is the worst in our history..:"
Sorry to be disrespectful but this is an absurd question. It is really hard on the economy and the tax payer for people to have extra kids when they lose their jobs, health benefits and homes. Oh, and I'm sure people who manufacture, perscribe and sell birth-control also understand how birth-control can stimulate the economy. Now I realize that birth-control is associated with lady parts, sin, and irresponsible sluts, but people who just lost their jobs or who have been poor for a very long time do have sex. What I would suggest to make this frivolous ladies issue go away is for men to make this a men’s issue and stop having sex with women until the economy improves.
If you come at an issue from a position of strength you never have to back down. Once again the cackling dick heads in media spew republican talking points with out never reporting or researching the facts. I wish Obama and the Dems would turn this around and put the repubs on defense for not supporting human health issues.
He listens, then he decides. He listens to divergent opinions first before acting. That's exactly what he's doing by going to Republicans and listening. Soon, he'll act with or without Republicans supporting his agenda. He's being fair and cordial now. It may seem as if he's being too conciliatory. Soon, he'll go ahead. And I'd wager that he'll have no hesitation when he knows that conciliation/compromise efforts are futile. He's a man who's driven to succeed in a dignified, respectful manner. And that's what he'll do.
Only by acting in this manner will Obama gain the respect of Republicans, who are a bullying lot. They're getting their licks at bullying Obama right now, but Obama's tossing them a bone and they don't know it yet.
"...Money Trumps Peace..." G.W. Bush, 2007
Couldn't they have come up with something better? When I heard that they were going to use the bill to throw grass seed and pay for birth control, I was scratching my head. I thought they were going to pay for infrastructure projects. Sounded like the "kitchen sink" kind of bill. Who needs to add amendments (earmarks) when the bill is already constructed like this?
Rachel's point about why the public voted Democratic is partly true. Sure they voted D because they no longer trusted R. But those years when the Republicans had all the power, they shut the Democrats out. I'm sure the Democrats don't want to make it look like they are doing the same thing to the Republicans. It would be better if the two parties could come up with good ideas and put them together. The Democrats should take one or two ideas from the Republicans. Just enough to make them think they have a voice. However, the Republicans aren't going to be satisfied with that. They want everything. And no matter what, they'll be ready to jeer when things don't improve fast enough.
I don't think anything the Republicans or Democrats do about the economy is going to have much of an effect for quite a while. Too many people out of work. The unemployment funds are bankrupt. The states and local governments are in trouble.
And to complete the above thought:
"I don't think anything the Republicans or Democrats do about the economy is going to have much of an effect for quite a while. Too many people out of work. The unemployment funds are bankrupt. The states and local governments are in trouble."...and it is a terrific time for unemployed people to start having kids so they can apply for welfare!
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