Doug Feith, That Word Does Not Mean What You Think It Means
By Susie Madrak Sunday Jan 25, 2009 2:00pm
On CNN's "State of the Union" this morning with John King, I heard something that almost made me choke. King interviewed Charlie Swift, a formal Naval defense attorney, and former Bush defense policy advisor Doug "Stupidest Guy in the World" Feith about Cheney's warning to Obama about repudiating torture:
KING: Is he right? Are there Americans alive today because the Bush Administration used these controversial tactics?
SWIFT: "Who knows? See, that's the problem. No evidence is brought forth. It's said that everything that was learned is so secret that we can't tell you, and that's one of the other parts of the Obama executive order that is critical. He's asking for a complete look into the interrogation methods and what was seen.
One of the real problems with Guantanamo was the lack of transparency - we're right, you've got to trust us. And every time the administration turned out to be wrong - and they were wrong many times - then that trust was lowered each time that happened. ... It's my personal belief that it's very unlikely that enhanced interrogation techniques produced a great deal of actionable intelligence."
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DF: It's quite clear that President Obama has recognized there are serious security problems involved here. This is not simply a matter of establishing civil liberties issues. It's a balancing of very important civil liberties issues against very important security issues. I think that the administration has an interest, as Mr. Swift says, in being as transparent as possible. So did the Bush administration. Reasonable people can differ about how those balances get struck, but I think this administration is going to have to take very seriously the security issues, and they're going to realize this is a problem that's not as simple as it was suggested during the campaign that it was."
Well, Dougie, I guess it depends on what you mean by "transparency." The Bush Administration used words in a peculiar way - that is, to communicate exactly the opposite. (See "Clear Skies" initiative, "No Child Left Behind Act," etc.)
For instance, George Bush signed something last year that would seem to indicate support for transparency with one caveat - when he decided it's against the interests of the country - which was, you know, always?
I don't know how any reasonable person can assert transparency as a value of this administration, but that's not really the main point here. It's that the Republicans, embracers of anti-American values like torture, are quite obviously setting the stage to pin the blame on Obama in the event of another terror attack.
The American people have made their position clear: They'll take their chances with Obama.
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that person!
I like your thinking!
Cheney "Americans are alive today...blah, blah, blah..."
No, actually 4500 Americans are dead because of you, you lying, war mongering, war criminal, war profiteering piece of dung.
so I can listen to Sure Shot and Discobitch and I kissed a girl all sunday long.
Now all the bullshit low life are coming out of the woodwork to smudge the truth. This will go on forever. Feith is one of the supreme low life and an evil servant of the Neocon Zionist Corporate Cabal.
It's always Israel first, America last with these neocon zionist pigs.
Heres a post you two might be interested in:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=12...
enjoy
Well maybe if they stopped killing maiming and torturing while screaming victim they wouldn't be so despised by pretty much everybody else. If the whole world keeps trying to exterminate you over the course of 5000 years, maybe just maybe your doing something to piss them off. Not that this is a "Well she was wearing provocative clothes so she had that rape coming" defense, but seriously people, what Israel has become is indefensible by anybody other then a complete barbarian.
"If the whole world keeps trying to exterminate you over the course of 5000 years, maybe just maybe your doing something to piss them off"
Wow. One of the dumbest thing I have read on this site.
Is it really that dumb? I knew I would get a kneejerk reaction with that one. Nothing can excuse the holocaust and nothing can excuse Israel perpetuating their own Holocaust and Ghettos in Gaza. If the shoe fit the Nazi's it fits them too.
check wikipedia for douglas feith. General Tommy Franks said in 'plan of attack' by bob woodward:
Franks, according to Plan of Attack, says of Feith: "I have to deal with the fucking stupidest guy on the planet almost every day."
any questions?
Interesting quote from the article:
"The bulk of the anti-Semitic incidents took place in Western Europe and were led by local Muslim officials, including 100 in France and Britain each, the report found."
First they came for the jews....Sound familiar?
so israel now equals all jews anywhere in the world
and you really have to show me in the history books where it talks about the armed jews in the death camps
its really interesting
same thing happens at rawstory
do you guys get an email alert?
What is stormfronters?
Does it's audience call themselves storm-troopers?
My guess is it's a whacko righty group like little green turdballs.
im sure that you arent concerned that neonazis present the exact arguments that you do
Stormfront is a backwards bunch of Internet tough guy skinheads who like to send their flying monkeys to spread their anti-Semitic, anti-black, anti-everyone-but-them propaganda.
They routinely fail because nobody's afraid of them and their garbage is easily refuted or ignored.
Believe me, when Those Guys With No Names, Wearing the Guy Fawkes Masks (you know who I'm talking about) can shut you down, it's time you give up.
I honestly believe President Obama is a decent person. A moral man. His test will be to do what is right and moral before he is forced by world opinion to do what is right and moral.
He must act swiftly and surely and let the chips fall where they will.
If he fails to act on what he knows in his heart to be the right course he will have failed.
President Obama, please do the right thing, repudiate torture, let the prisoners speak, let the world see and hear what the past administration did to the morality of our nation.
You have our back.
"We have your back"?
DUH. Senior moment there. Very sorry.
he has our back.
So I'm with you either way.
:<[)
Baby's Got Back...
Jan. 23: The New York Times reports that Ali al-Shihri, who was released from the prison at Guantanamo Bay a year ago, is now the deputy leader of al-Qaida's group in the nation of Yemen. In Bushed, Countdown's Keith Olbermann asks why al-Shihri was never put on trial.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/288201...
Coddling
NeoCon
NonSense
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Well, no one said the veils of secrecy aren't transparent?
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the burkah's of bullshittery?
that Obama and Bush are the same.
Since nobody has picked up that meme yet I thought I would start it.
The Brush administration was as transparent as a brick wall, and nearly as intelligent. To suggest that the Obama administration will learn anything from the previous, is like suggesting that we can learn to read from bacteria.
To use a Shemey quote is quite laughable. We will see very soon that his rantings are nothing more than the justifications of a felon as to why he had to murder women and children.
I think the fore fathers would disagree with you on that whole balancing civil liberties and security thing. They left some documents for you in case you're confused on how much of that liberty you should give up for temporary safety.
In fact, I wish he would just go suck on a lemon. And choke on it.
How about a Ford Pinto?
then he could become a huge fireball!
The most transparent thing in that interview is Feith's empty head.
"It's that the Republicans, embracers of anti-American values like torture, are quite obviously setting the stage to pin the blame on Obama in the event of another
terrorattack."I happen to think (after a lot of reading and study of videos/photos, and applying logic), that the neo-con PNAC-types (which would include Feith) perpetrated 9/11 in order to move their dreams of American hegemony and "PNAC uber-alles" forward.
Ergo, I believe that if they think it's in their best interests (i.e., bring them more power and wealth) they will not hesitate to do so again. Call me crazy...
the answer is quite obviously NO. there is a shit ton of dead and maimed Americans today, they are called soldiers.
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My Dad used to belt me when I was bad. One time when he was belting me I started laughing.
He never belted me again.
This may be the only way to stop torture.
Jan. 23: The New York Times reports that Ali al-Shihri, who was released from the prison at Guantanamo Bay a year ago, is now the deputy leader of al-Qaida's group in the nation of Yemen. In Bushed, Countdown's Keith Olbermann asks why al-Shihri was never put on trial.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/288201...
What others have said about Feith
Described by General Tommy Franks as either "the dumbest fucking guy on the planet" (according to Franks' autobiography) or "the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the Earth" (according to Bob Woodward's book Plan of Attack).
Most high ranking military men/women say that torture does not work.
So why do we continue to have to listen to idiots like Feith and Bush and Cheney and those god awful others that have lied to us and NEVER served in the military?
Begone.
Doug Feith? Is it the same Doug Feith that Tommy Franks called "the stupidest motherfucker on the face of the earth"?
i guess if your resume showed any semblance of competence you were immediatly disqualified
The Bush Administration was as transparent as lead, but not quite that uplifting.
The likelihood of more terrorist attacks just decreased dramatically, because the terrorists who committed the first attacks left office a few days ago. It's going to be magnitudes more difficult for remaining rogue and criminal elements in our various government agencies to repeat their first act, if they lack the support, planning and orchestration of the heads of the executive branch, who ordered that these first attacks happen. I don't think Obama needs to spend an undue amount of energy worrying about the concern troll Feith's issues.
Incidentally, Feith is one of the culpable terrorists who should be arrested and put on trial for high treason, along with the culpable others.
President Obama needs to always keep in mind that bartering away freedom, liberty and Human Rights in exchange for security is a Faustiasn bargain. Personally? I'll take my chances any day of the week with the real foreign terrosists, rather than surrender any measure, however miniscule, of my liberties, civil liberties or Human Rights, merely in order to enjoy "security" from an imagined or manufactured menace. The kind of security that Feith and crew would impose on all of us can really only be found in two places: maximum security prison and graveyards. No thanks, I choose neither. The difference between what our Founders bequeathed to us versus what the neocons, et. al., would impose upon us is so stark that the choices are not even remotely close. In fact it is absurd to the point of insanity to accord them equivalence. I fear the home grown tyrant more than I will ever fear a foreign terrorist. I especially fear the home grown tyrant who would use terrorism as an instrument of his despotism and tyranny, his terrorist acts a mere outcome of the amoral and cold calculus of his power lust. If there is reason to fear, by this late date it should be apparent that that is a legitimate reason. Mr. Obama has yet to convince me that he gets it, especially given his recent advocacy of the Bush stance on illegal spying upon the American People. He might do well to consider that when you choose to dance with the Devil, you are also choosing to get your feet malignly trod upon. Every time.
The Twoofers are still out in force here, I see.
Bill Clinton was all for transparency
In negligees.
...he's a well-adjusted heterosexual male.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/blame-it-on...
Who was that guy, Kim Jong-il? That was so bad, it was good!
I'm still laughing.
..and a good time was had by all!
Sun, 01/25/2009 - 15:49 — Paul
...he's a well-adjusted heterosexual male.
No wonder Bubba's not a republican.
Trolling public men's rooms for a little action...that's just not Bill Clinton. IF he can't even do that, he'd suck as a reptilcan. Can I say suck?
That is one area in which they excel!
I'm not sure whether he does or does not understand what 'transparency' is, but the fact that he evidently considers himself to be a 'reasonable person' shows that he has no fucking clue as to the meaning of THAT phrase.
Feith is NOT reasonable: he is a maniacal chowderhead.
A terrorist attack is irrelevant to who occupies the office. Enough with the distractions of the blame game! What are the reasons for terrorist attacks? How do we prevent and stop such attacks. That is the task at hand.
... when thinking about the second paragraph of this:
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/July2004/Stanto...
To release the Gitmo detainees in America and give them google maps to the homes of the bush administration.
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