Larry Wilkerson on Countdown: Torture Cheerleaders Like Cheney And Rove Are 'Cowards'
Larry Wilkinson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, and Larry O'Donnell really let Karl Rove have it on Countdown last night for cheerleading torture from the safe distance of his office:
Wilkerson, former chief of staff to United States Secretary of State Colin Powell, interviewed by Lawrence O'Donnell tonight (12 March 2010) on the matter of Karl Rove's book and its attempts to justify the use of torture techniques during the Bush administration.
WILKERSON: "Let me say this, I saw - I had the highest clearance, Top Secret SCI - I saw almost everything Secretary Powell saw. I saw no proof of any of the things that Karl Rove indicated, and, as a matter of fact, no proof that any of the interrogation techniques, other than those used by the FBI, early on, had a real impact on actionable intelligence.
And I've got something else to say about Mr. Rove: No political counselor should have - he doesn't have the need-to-know. He shouldn't have access to that kind of classified information. He has NO BUSINESS having access, so if the White House allowed him to, THAT is a no-no. And I will guess that he's getting his information from Dick Cheney, because he did not have access to that kind of information."
"He's trying to sell his book."
On Rove's contention that waterboarding was not torture because doctors were present, Wilkerson said: "Slick it up with some doctors, and slick it up with some other medical personnel present. That sounds like the Nazis... Nuremburg cites the responsibilities of physicians in that regard and it isn't positive what they say about them..."
O'Donnell started the segment pointing out that Cheney and Rove and Mark Thiessen, the big fans/cheerleaders of torture, never served in the military.
O'DONNELL: "As a military man, what does that feel like to watch the cheerleaders safely positioned on the sidelines, their whole lives, try to tell you what is the most effective process and technique in war?"
WILKERSON: "Well, it says to me, and I'll make no bones about it, that they're all cowards. I mean, it's plain and simple, they're all cowards."
Treasonous, murderous ,TRAITOROUS cowards would be a more apt description.
Exactly correct!
but so it this administration and the DOJ who refuse to do anything about these crimes. How much evidence do they need?
Well, we wouldn't want to look backward would we? In fact, I think I'll rob a bank. Since they can't catch me until AFTER I do it I'll use the "let's not look backward" defense.
you could bolster it by using the John Yoo “exercised poor judgment” defense as well.
me-oww!
Thanks, Miss Kitty. I'll be needing a getaway driver and you'd be my first choice. I'm thinking since they can't prosecute us let's go large and hit Ft. Knox.
nothing I like better than driving fast and crazy. In another exercise of bad judgment, I'd like to grab up a tank for the job...
:D
me-oww!
Good plan. We'll need something that can haul a lot of weight anyway. :)
Why rob a bank? Become a Wall Street Banker and walk away with millions, no questions asked.
Wilkerson noted that Rove's assertions that torture produced information that prevented a terrorist attack was not true and Rove had no clearance to know that information; Wilkerson did. It is always easier for those who refuse to go into the military to speak easily about torture. They were and are all cowards. The Iraq War will be condemned in history.
...Abitr, Abitr, Abito, Amorfo, Khods, Ikpodo, Ayylo, Ptrota, Abnukta, Strine, Kle Ptuza, Tltoi Pritsa...
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Rove, the Humpty Dumpty Dane, should go back to Copenhagen.
I just finished reading Scott Horton's article in the March 2010 issue of Harper's, "The Guantanamo "Suicides": A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle".
We can harp all we like about Bush/Cheney/Rove and Co. and their responsibility for ORDERING/CONDONING TORTURE, but until we understand that the President of the United States, Barack Obama and his Attorney General, Eric Holder, are just as guilty by the fact that they are, for all intents and purposes SILENT ON TORTURE, we will continue to wring our hands and try to soothe our collective guilt on this issue.
Obama is president NOW. Holder is attorney general NOW.
Either they need to step up to the plate publicly and go after all these criminals (and there are really too many to count...just read the Scott Horton article), or we need to draft an American of conscience and of law and of justice to go after Obama in the Democratic Primary of 2012.
What say all of you?
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
and the Obama admin are "derelict in their doody"
Theyr'e "oafs to the constitution"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIZU_NZRfjA
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Obama's name (and Holder's) should be included in any discussion of torture and accountability.
...but he has walked in to a clusterf*ck of monumental proportions--the most egregious element perhaps is this culture of torture and torture apologists. I imagine they are taking things as slow as possible because of the ramifications. After all, if Obama publicly declares that the behavior of the previous administration was criminal, the international (not to mention national) fallout would be unimaginable. Conservatives here would call it a "nuclear" political move and other nations would demand an Aichman- or Nuremburg-style trial.
is the perfect excuse for making mistakes while TRYING to fix things and turn right from wrong. It's not an excuse to do nothing on these issues.
Obama's stance on this, along with Holders is or should be, criminal.
congressional branch makes laws...
judicial branch hears/interprets laws...
and the executive branch enforces them...
we have a "dereliction of enforcement duties" ...thing goin on here as someone is not "upholding and defending" ...like they said they would when they took their oaf)
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...it's more of a procedural issue, and an existential problem for democracy.
When Nixon was pardoned, for example, the law was clearly circumvented; but ultimately, a legal trial and inevitable conviction of a democratically elected leader would throw into question the veracity of Democracy itself. If a majority of voters can be so profoundly wrong about the character of an elected leader, is Democracy reliable?
This is a tough question, and one that several generations have avoided -- at least in the highest office.
I just finished calling this admin. and the DOJ cowards above.
... dissect these chickenhawks.
Rove is a complete waste of human DNA. A truly vile entity.
BID
He and Powell call them NEOCONSERVATIVES "the Crasies".
Why did they need to torture people?
There is a British ex ambassador on video saying very clear: "In order to CONFESS BELONGING TO ALQUEADA"
A tiny cell placed as PATSY for 9-11.
BBC On Alqaida:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYorNi0nA
They needed to create te BIG SUPER POWERFULL organization to start the WAR ON TERROR. Today still going.
My guess is: after they invaded Iraq they realized they had no idea how to occupy the country, then the
rebellioninsurgency began, plus the violence between sects.Those in charge of the occupation were idiots and villains. Together, I believe, they decided to imitate Hussein's tactics: mass imprisonment, torture, violence to families of
rebelsinsurgents, and much more.They "reasoned", I think, that if Hussein managed to control Iraq with methods of terror and torture, then so could they. And further, they "thought", it would be OK with the Iraqis, because they'd been OK with Hussein's ruling style, and if they weren't, so what?
"So What?" is the motto of the Bush-Cheney criminal cabal.
I doubt they spent more than an hour actually working out a plan. They were so gung-ho that as soon as the last obstacle was cleared they sent the troops. In fact, they were in such a hurry that nobody even showed Bush where Iraq is on the map until the first air strikes were returning to their carriers.
"Well they were tortured and imprisoned before so it worked out quite nicely for them."
Babs Bush
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
Agreed. Yes – the purpose of torturing was to establish that an extensive Al Queda network existed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Al Qaeda is our invention. Originally it meant the foundation, source, or “The Base”. While fighting the Soviets, the Afghan resistance would go to people they knew to coordinate getting weapons and ammunition from the military base. They were our weapons and ammunition. It just meant going to where the ammo was.
It evolved somewhat, but what we created from that is equivalent to the YMCA in our culture. Let’s say they were torturing US. They might ask “Are you a member of the Y?”, “Are you a Christian?” or something similar. Since they don’t stop until they get the answer they want, everybody is a member of the “Y”. Huge network, hence they are fighting the extremists “YMCA”.
...I just thank God there are military folks out there who are willing to remind all of us what courage and duty actually look like. The chickenhawks would have us all believe that courage is torturing captured and defenseless enemies of the state, much like the Romans did, circa, oh I don't know, the year 33c.e. The irony that most of these same idiots court Christian fundamentalists is, of course, completely missed by the American masses.
Bagram and no doubt many other places. The military, along with Wall Street and the CIA, think they are in control. And they are as long as Obama, Nancy & Reid allow it.
Listening to Larry Wilkerson is always a refreshing treat.
The same goes for Lawrence O'Donnell. He should have his own show.
ANYBODY who signs off on this bullshit is guilty of war crimes, present administration included.
What gets me is the torture cheerleaders are always bloated, doughy, and closet cases, but yeah, as Rainman would say, "Cowards, definitely cowards."
...might not be "torture cheerleaders"...
But they are definitely "bloated, doughy, cowardly closet cases"
(unless they are maybe?... "closet cheerleaders"?!!!
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Who was an actual cheerleader.
"The Death of Reason - The Effects of Child Abuse". Excellent analysis that covers the reason(s) republicans/conservatives are the way they are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S16EHfKRLfc
A must see, in my opinion.
http://www.franciscodegoya.net/El-Sueno-de-la...
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Mr. Wilkerson is too mild in his assessment of Rove and his gang:
they are not just cowards, but what is more egregious:SADISTIC
PSYCHOPATHS who salivate at the very thought of torture.How sweetly
it brings back one's memories of the Spanish Inquisition and the
exquisite torture methods of the Tudors,especially during Henry VIII Why are only the Nazis quoted every time as "experts" on torture?
How about our once so dearly beloved Joe Stalin who reigned over a
long lasting regime of terror and torture?? Another successful psycho
path with very little accountability even after his life of "fun"
was finally over. Rove,I agree with BigIslandDave is a vile entity,
but there are many more like him out there,alas.!
garnerd good intel he believes it himself. I tend to think too that he and his ilk just want to torture some Muslims as payback for 9/11; or, as part of their cover-up of their complicity in 9/11.
Notice how he slips up, nearly saying "we kept America safer than it was before," then stops, since it was in fact safer before the Bush crime family re-took control of the White House.
Obama has spoken out against torture. He immediately reversed the government policy on torture. It will be a generation before the effects of Bush's aggression overseas and the collapse of the world economy work out. The right gets up every morning and goes to work to regain the US power structure. They have the Supreme Court, Wall Street and corporation money plus an effective propaganda system. Health care is a tribute to their obstructionist power. Iraq is a tribute to their willingness and ability to go into a country and destroy it and it's people for the sake of power and oil. Control within the US was next and we would be locked down now if McCain had won. Obama left the Patriot Act in place, but he may need it. The left blames Obama as if they want a dictator and they just shake their head at Congress and the Supreme Court.
...and the practice of "renditioning" prisoners to other countries...(for torture) continues...
(and so do both illegal wars)
Cheney has confessed to torture (and there is plenty of evidence that it occurred. Time for the DOJ to do something.
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And the Inspector General of the Bush DOJ at least found that the lawyers who authored the "get out of jail free" card for torturers had committed ethical violations.
Obama's DOJ revised that analysis and found that not even ethical violations had occurred. "Looking forward not back." "Nothing to see here."
Obama may not have ordered torture (we don't know), but he has certainly gone out of his way to legitimize it and cover it up. There is no way in hell these guys would be so casually endorsing war crimes if they weren't protected from investigation.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
And I couldn’t agree with Barry more. “Let’s look forward, not back”
Let’s look to the future: A future where psychopaths have another opportunity to rip decency to shreds and again torture innocent people for selfish gains. Let’s send a message to those people. But make it the right message…
“IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED” is the ONLY message to send.
Prosecute.
When Ford pardoned Nixon. Ever since then the message has been clear- when a Republican commits a crime, then there is no crime.
out on matters anymore.
I'm pretty for sure that Obama must have cut a deal someplace along the way to either become president in the first place or to not be 100% shut down during his presidency and that's why he's not prosecuting BushCO. There is no doubt in my mind that Obama is a decent human being and that he is entirely against torture.
But he's also not going to lift a finger to prosecute BushCO. I doubt the next president will either. They'll live richly in their castles until the end of their days and come out every once in a while to flip off the world with a grin.
by the outgoing administration. You think they just had a pleasant little chat last year when those criminal thugs left the building?
Could be. I don't know what it is but Obama has a reason that he's not going to tell us. It's not a good reason but I don't think he just decided to let it go because it wasn't worth the bother.
of kidnapping, perpetual imprisonmen,t and assassination of Americans to go after ROVE and CHENEY and all the other fetid, oozing pustules on the face of the USA like them.
Every time I say what I think should happen to those bastards my comment gets moderated for violation of terms of service. It's like you can't wish somebody gets eaten alive by a shark any more.
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I remember in Boot Camp receiving training on how to arrest an enemy officer.
Whether it's in his office or outside, you report as if he were your superior officer. "Sir, Airman X reporting as ordered to place you under arrest." You salute, "Will you please come with me sir..."
And if he tries anything you shoot his ass...
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You are absolutely correct. Training in the UCMJ starts almost on the very first day. Which is why creatures like Cheney, Addington, Yoo and Rove know nothing, they were never in uniform. The cowards.
But they had cysts and more important priorities and stuff. It's not their fault!
I know that I keep referring to Jane Meyer's book "The Dark Side" but truthfully, I can't recommend it enough. It truly is the best one out there right now detailing the crimes of these bastards. My wife almost made me stop read it - my blood pressure.
In that case pop some Viagra...
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I caught my wife eating some toast with butter on it. I immediately gave her two glasses of red wine to counter the effects.
The people of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." J.K. Galbraith
The Reslug cowards ran from joining the service like the dirty, bedwetting rats they are.
Water boarding is just another fist pumping power trip for men like Rove who lack the personal attributes and courage to put their money where their mouth is,and actively serve in the military.
Water boarding-revenge of the pear shaped and ineffectual.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Pussey Galore Pelosi likes to talk about WMD's but she doesn't say much about Torture.
. . . kind of like single payer or the public option.
Spkr. Pelosi would rather quibble about when she first found out about torture and hope that deflects from the fact that she's shielded torturers as effectively as Bush or Obama.
But I'm sure she'll say as loudly as she can that she's been against torture since before most of us were born. You know, except for when it actually mattered.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
Nancy knew about torture a long time ago.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/05/inte...
...she was derelict in her duty as she said nothing about crimes she knew were being committed
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if she cared about the good of the country. She's completely out of her league in that position.
I guess that's why from the start of the invasion up until the time they "killed" Zarqawi, somebody posting on Yahoo message boards was using the handle, Nancy_Of_The_Dead. And this poster was especially chatty in any news story coming out of Dubai.
.. and every doctor, lawyer and psychologist who participated in the torture regime should be in prison with the Cheney Gang ..
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
!!!!!
Abbybwood, R.N.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
that Rove and Cheney should be prosecuted, I can agree, but there is no proof yet that I know of where they were involved. I know many of you say that CXheney admitted it but what he said is that he was a supporter of waterboarding, not that he ordered it. I'm not a lawyer but that is not an admission of guilt.
Of course he did. He not only admitted guilt, but bragged about it and said that it was the only thing that "kept us safe"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#30711836
He just hides behind the legal memos by calling it "enhanced interrogation" and "water boarding".
and defends the administration but not once did he admit that he ordered it. They aare very good at parsing words.
Then he's still an accessory. I'm pretty sure the Vice-President has a duty to report violations of established law as does every citizen.
They are being careful, but it’s a tightrope they are walking.
From my understanding, Section 2340A of the Federal Criminal Code makes it an offense to torture or to conspire to torture.
The DOJ office of legal council was directed to produce the memos that “legalized” “water boarding”. I don’t recall if any dates have been disclosed as to when, but I also don’t know if the question has been asked. That’s what prosecutors should be asking, if for no other purpose than to expose conspiracy.
They know they're immune from the Law. They're being just a little 'careful' to avoid being shot by some patriotic American or Iraqi or Afghanistani.
And it's not like there's a lack of cause for investigation.
Marcy Wheeler did this based solely on publicly available information.
A grand jury and some subpoenas could do quite a bit more.
Corruption favors the wealthy.
that there should be investigations but if they bring charges, I want an airtight case.
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from the March 2010 issue of Harper's magazine:
http://harpers.org/archive/2010/01/hbc-90006368
Holder knows all about this. Obama knows all about this. Reid and Pelosi and Rahm and Axelrod and Plouffe and all the Republicans know all about this.
It's time for Holder and Obama to do a little soul-searching. It's time for them to do the jobs they were hired to do and for them to hold faithfully to the oaths they took to the Constitution.
We must ALL demand no less. The whole world is watching.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
"It's time for Holder and Obama to do a little soul-searching. It's time for them to do the jobs they were hired to do..."
Its time they realized that They could be Next, that one day in the not-distant-future the Neocon monsters will be torturing people for being Democrat, or Liberals. Holder will be on the bench with water poured in his mouth & nose, Obama will be buried alive in an insect-filled coffin, Pelosi's grandchildren raped in front of her while she hangs from the ceiling in chains and a diaper.
Why don't they Understand that it won't Stop with "dark-skinned Others? I really believe something like that will happen to our 'enablers' of the horrific crimes of BushCo.
As a veteran, I say that every time one of those chickenhawk motherfuckers gets bitch-slapped, it is a VERY good thing. I read recently that every veteran gives the United States a blank check valued up to life when he or she enlists. My check was never cashed in blood, but I am still proud of my service.
from Dick Cheney, because
heGeorge Bush did not have access to that kind of information."me-oww!
after just having been waterboarded:
"That was water! I was told it was going to be scotch!!"
She sure seems to know a hell of a lot for someone who didn't have the need to know. Gee, I wonder who passed information to her that she wasn't supposed to know?
about Liz Cheney seeming to have so much 'inside' information...It was good to see Col. Wilkerson so pissed...although I do worry about these people stroking out...
someone else is being paid to make up lies for her, and another creep being paid to coach her in telling the lies.
These guys keep spreading their lies because they know that very few in the media will do any research. In a previous speech, Bush had also mentioned a foiled plot of a plane flying into the tallest building in Los Angeles. He wrongly referred to the building as the Liberty Tower, when in fact, it was then called the Library Tower (now the U.S. Bank Tower) After his speech, officials from the LAPD, the LA County Sheriff's office and City Hall said that this was the first they had heard of the "plot."
So the White House gave no warning, information, updates? It was obviously BS. But the Bush administration and the enabling media still let the lies somehow turn into the truth. Rove, Cheney, Theissen, Fox News, etc. are all out there still lying about it.
Thank you Mr. Wilkerson, thank you very much, this NAZI RACI Anti AMerican Trash have been beating the lying scum sucking machine since the Supreme Court Appointed president LIED us into a WAR and the American TRAITOR cheney outed one of our CIA operatives.
Maybe just maybe this RACIST,NAZI Trash on the right will self adjust and come back to America I doubt it as they are way way to ANTI American to allow that to happen.
Thanks again Mr. Wilkerson. The COWARDS are like empty barrels all noise, DEATH to the COWARDS.
Even MSNBC has its limits as to what it can share. Our media has come in 44th as being "free", in contrast to the rest of the planets, now we are not the worst, but we sure aren't getting the facts. That report came from the organization who studies media world wide, known as REPORTERS WITHOUT BORDERS.
One thing that is so often overlooked, when water-boarding monopolizes the conversation on torture, and one might wonder if water-boarding getting most of the coverage is a smokescreen for the fact that we are doing much worse forms of torture. Squeezing the testicles of children, in front of their parents is one of the many others.
We aren't much different than the Nazis now. We bring our horror tactics around the world to claim territories based on false "information" (often based on torture induced babble). Well, I dare say that our GOVERNMENT using "terrorism" as the basis of atrocities, we are HORRORISTS!!! I am not proud of my country. I'm furious and ashamed! I'm sure I speak for many here.
was gained
the library tower was never in jeopardy of being attacked
the plan for heathrow was broken up through normal intel
rove is a liar, a criminal and a traitor
That is the nicest thing you could call them.
republicanism/conservatism is a mental illness. They have killed the economy, and ruined the lives of millions of people.
I wish they had the capacity to feel shame. They are shameful cowardly bastards, that lack the morals and the intelligence to make sound rational decisions. They should not be allowed to participate in government or any other position that requires them to make decisions for others.
I suppose now Liz (lady Vader) Cheney will come out branding Col. Wilkerson as some sort of appeaser, because his many years of military service obviously made him soft on our enemies, only brave pretend soldiers like her daddy and his deferments (which is what she is) are brave and strong enought to stand up to the evildooers that want to kill us all, torture them and kill them to make us lesser, not-quite super-men safe.
You know many of these chickenhawk neo-CONs like to compare themselves to Winston Churchill and the rest of us to Chamberlin, in the First World War when Churchill's Galipoli campaign failed, he resigned his position (first lord of the Admiralty) and enlisted as a major and joined the troops on the western front in Flanders.....
I'll just leave that hanging there.
When angry, count four, when very angry, swear.
-Mark Twain-
Let's not cannonize Wilkerson in the effort to get Bush, Cheney and Rove indicted, convicted and imprisoned.
He and Powell both had plenty of opportunities to tell the WHOLE truth since 2003 when it might have made a difference in some of the elections or in national policy. Wilkerson and Powell can still put an end to this issue of Bush lying us in to war and the democrats failure to stop them or to hold them accountable.
Here's what I blogged about Powell back in 2007.
Colin Powell, it’s time to speak now or forever hold your peace.
You decried the way that “the sons of the powerful and well placed…managed to wangle slots into Reserve and Guard Units"[1] and then you went on to serve one of these sons as his Secretary of State.
You criticized the LBJ administrations prosecution of the Vietnam War with “Back home, the administration was trying to conduct the war with as little inconvenience to the country as possible…. Taxes to finance the war had not been raised. Better-off kids beat the draft with college deferments."[2] And now you sit silently while the Bush administration does the same.
You said of the downing of the KAL 007 flight: “Don’t be stampeded by first reports, Don’t let your judgments run ahead of your facts. And, even with supposed facts in hand, question them if they do not add up. Something deeper and wiser than bits of data inform our instincts. I also learned that it is best to get the facts out as soon as possible, even when new facts contradict the old. Untidy truth is better than smooth lies…."[3] But you told the world that we knew of WMD’s in Iraq. Perhaps you were misinformed by the intelligence briefings but you also wrote: “The lesson about experts had been reaffirmed. Don’t be afraid to challenge the pros, even in their backyard. Just as important, never neglect details, even to the point of being a pest."[4]
“If I never have to parachute again, that will be fine with me, yet there was never any doubt in my mind that I would do what had to be done."[5]
Well Mr. Powell, it’s time to do what has to be done. You have a chance to make a difference today, this week, “Stuff happens. And a leader’s just got to start all over again."[6] So start over. If you have truth to speak, speak it now, before another day of Bush Administration's deception so it can make a difference. You’ve had plenty to say, after the fact, about Vietnam and other world events, but saving the truth for My American Journey Part II isn’t good enough. You owe the soldiers, those you helped place in harms way, the untidy truth. Today.
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[1] Colin Powell, My American Journey, Ballantine Books, 1995, p 144
[2] Ibid, p 128
[3] Ibid, p 274
[4] Ibid, p 106
[5] Ibid, p 42
[6] Ibid, p 51
He have been for a long time outspoken on the criminality of the NEOCON MAFIA GANG, even while BUSH Was still there. That's a rarity for a republican.
In my opinion there where lied and framed by the CABAL. I do agree Powell Have to come cleaner as Ray McGovern said. He (Powel) should be more upset because he PUT his face at the UN to the world. But the fact is that the media is controlled by the west and its elite love controling the OIL and Gas of that region and even today, you can see the push for a confrontation with IRAN which will put according to experts the Gasoline Price at $10 a Gallon.
like in February's 2009 VANITY FAIR issue (page 9) in the article of "Oral History Of (The ?) Bush White House where Col. Wilkerson admits that he and John Bellinger 'cherry-picked' stuff for Condi to use at the 9/11 whitewash...because they wanted to 'show' that the Bush Adm was 'interested in al-Qaeda'.
But no one I've sent the link to in the media wants to ask Col. Wilkerson about it...
I have been trying to find that page to see if perhaps if I copied that paragraph incorrectly and perhaps left out ..."HAD TO" cherry-pick"........
This is what he (Larry) said:
Lawrence Wilkerson: " John [Bellinger] and I had to work on the 9/11-commission testimony of Condi. Condi was not gonna do it, not gonna do it, not gonna do it, and then all of a sudden she realized she better do it. That was an appalling enterprise. We would cherry-pick things to make it look like the president had been actually concerned about al-Qaeda. We cherry-picked things to make it look as if the vice president and others, Secretary Rumsfeld and all, had been.
They didn’t give a shit about al-Qaeda. They had priorities. The priorities were lower taxes, ballistic missiles, and the defense thereof".
On Colin Powell’s role in the admin:
Lawrence Wilkerson, top aide and later chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell:
"I’m not sure even to this day that he’s willing to admit to himself that he was rolled to the extent that he was. And he’s got plenty of defense to marshal because, as I told [former defense secretary] Bill Perry one time when Bill asked me to defend my boss—I said, Well, let me tell you, you wouldn’t have wanted to have seen the first Bush administration without Colin Powell. I wrote Powell a memo about six months before we were leaving, and I said, This is your legacy, Mr. Secretary: damage control. He didn’t like it much. In fact, he kind of handed it back to me and told me I could put it in the burn basket.
But I knew he understood what I was saying. You saved the China relationship. You saved the transatlantic relationship and each component thereof—France, Germany. I mean, he held Joschka Fischer’s hand under the table on occasions when Joschka would say something like, You know, your president called my boss a fucking asshole. His task became essentially cleaning the dogshit off the carpet in the Oval Office. And he did that rather well. But it became all-consuming".
Sorry but he is a decent man in my opinion.
No words can say how happy I am to see someone else has seen that...and that you put up those remarks...I am so glad I did not copy them incorrectly...I am not dissing Wilkerson, I have just been disappointed that he has not brought that up publicly...not to disparage him, (is that the term I want?) but that then people would see what was really going on then.
Thank you!
That right-wing line about, "They do worse to our enlisted persons" is not justification to be cowards like terrorist are. What's next, do blow-up buildings in Yemen, Syria, Saudia Arabia, etc., where we know terrorist are trained and funded? Hell no we don't.
I say ,huh?
....the fools do not realize,a population that can ,..... not paticipate .............in the 'economy'...,can not keep it viable!..........."we are listening,.......and we're not blind.,......this is your life....this is your time."
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