Military Heat Weapon Being Developed for Use by American Police Forces.
Via Raw Story, news that police use of this weapon is even closer - and more portable, so use will be widespread. I was writing about this in 2006. And no, it's more than "burning sensations" - when they did the tests, they banned metal buttons and zippers because they caused burns, and they also banned contact lenses because they could become fused to the eyeballs.
What brave Congress member will introduce legislation to stop this? Bueller? Bueller?
A powerful hand-held weapon being developed by the Pentagon could end up in police hands, says a report in a UK science journal.
The Pentagon's Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate has been developing the Thermal Laser System since 2005, with the purpose of developing a weapon that could disperse crowds or incapacitate individuals by causing them to experience burning sensations in their skin.
According to NewScientist magazine, the weapon has evolved into a rifle-mounted instrument, and there are plans for a hand-held model that could be used by police forces.
News of the possibility that police departments could obtain the burn weapon will likely concern civil-liberties advocates, who have been watching with alarm as the Taser conducted-energy weapon has gone into regular use in police forces across the United States.
Just in time for cold season! Free heat for everyone!
You take a heat ray and a bunch of teabaggers and just add water (a little lemon or cream?)
lol
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Now THAT'S comedy!
what's next?
Tranquilizer guns?
Mmmm. Tranquilizers.
Might feel good after a blast from the heat gun
lol.
Tranquilizer guns?
"Stop, or we'll deploy the Valium Launcher!"
How quaint. How old-fashioned.
Weapons of Mass Psychosis are already far beyond this.
How about a bong shotgun?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Why wasn't I informed?
Suicide by Cop using the new technology.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Not much of a pill head....though if they make a cannabis cannon...I may start a ruckus before I go see Zombieland.
what's so funny about this? You can laugh your way all the way to jail. We're halfway down a slippery slope, why don't you man-up and get serious about the police state you're already living in.
I've spent many months incarcerated myself. Sometimes we need humor to keep it all from driving us insane.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
and it's frightening...but I have to laugh at things I find humorous....if I let them take away my sense of humor...I might as well be dead.
Sdude...
you can see me being serious.
But sometimes humor helps you give reality a knock on the head and make sense of things.
but in this case I've no patience with humor...FF can perhaps best understand, the poh-lice is the pointy end of the whole big shit-covered stick and they're slowly shoving that stick where the sun don't shine. Y'all saw the photos from the G-20.
I'm 100% behind good policing but our police forces are WAY too militarized both in equipment and attitudes....they've now got the possibilities of dealing with a terrorist attack as well as gangs like MS13 but we all know that they're mostly authoritarian types who will taser most of us for not toeing their line.
It's out of control. I was in Europe this summer and there are soldiers patrolling train stations with assault weapons and/or sub machine guns, yet that seemed more normal than these darth vader local police.
If some of our elected representatives don't start speaking out against this worrisome trend there's going to be hell to pay in terms of loss of our most cherished value, freedom, sooner or later.
Nevermind all the indoctrination via TV of the cops are gods mentalities. CSI is fascinating but the underlying message is "you can't hide from us." It's getting seriously out of control....or rather seriously too controlled.
Sdude.
Somethings gotta change.
to the right is about? The one on "How to make electricity." Get one of these and you can make electricity at home.
The Active Denial Prius. Great for traffic disputes!
everything?
You can make your own personal active denial weapon by pointing your microwave at your neighbor with the door open and a paper clip in the safety mechanism. Press cook time, power, then start.
I would imagine it wouldn't be that hard to negate the effects...if one was properly prepared...
I bet some protective clothing could be made on the cheap, from stuff available to consumers right now.
Of course, that would just piss off the cops, and then they'd just shoot ya.
Cop toasting tasers.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
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"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
speakin of heat...
wonder if the sith lord, cheney is startin to feel it.
http://rawstory.com/2009/10/court-rules-fbi-m...
until I learned it wasn't Cheney the FBI buried, just his interview.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
I suggest trying the heat ray on cheney. By 500 Alan Graysons simultaneously.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
die hot.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
It would seem to me that there are several methods of interfering with the 'heat ray':
1. OBSTRUCTION. Yes, we've seen the videos as to how this will blanket crowds, and thick outer clothing is no defense. What DOES block it? Would a shield of 2x4's work? Different materials? A sealed layer of liquid?
2. DEFLECTION. Would a parabolic dish reflect the beams? Flat, polished surfaces? Some form of waveguide?
3. DISPERSION. If the 'heat ray' doesn't like metal objects like buttons and zippers, what happens if a crowd starts lobbing ball bearings at the guys firing the guns? What kind of impact would foil streamers and mylar balloons have if attached to staves and protest signs? A spray of water droplets? Can a wooden frame with wire or chain be wheeled in front of the marchers? (Or, put a line of mothers with babies in strollers at the forefront ... cops are going to fire and risk cooking junior?)
And seriously, there's no defense? You're going to send troops out to face an angry mob with this magical weapon that can't be blocked, so if they manage to dogpile someone and grab one, they can pull a 'phasers on stun' on the cops?
Really, I'm a little skeptical about the whole thing. Yes, we've seen the videos, but all we've REALLY seen are some fancy oscilloscope readings and people hopping about. We are told you won't be able to resist it, won't be able to block it ... and that claim alone makes me wonder.
I'd expect a First Amendment challenge on this the moment a police department equips themselves with the weapons; it is a weapon with indiscriminate, wide-area use that has been (as with Tasers) tested only on physically-fit, customized subjects (i.e., no metal buttons). As law enforcement is an extension of local, state, and federal government, it's a restriction of freedom of speech, butting up against the need for public safety. (As if a panicked crowd of people feeling like they're on fire is an improvement ... you really expect them to disperse in an orderly fashion?)
G-20 Protesters Faced New Weapons
Go to link and read the list of weapons "that's already at or coming soon to a police station or National Guard headquarters near you."
Democracy is too important to be entrusted to politicians.
Rise Up!
Protest!
Wow M&m23. Great list.
I'd like one of each please. I think the second amendment allows me to carry them.
"-Prozac and Zoloft are two of over 100 pharmaceuticals identified by the Penn State College of Medicine and the university's Applied Research Lab for further study as "non-lethal calmatives." These Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs), noted the Penn State study, "...are found to be highly effective for numerous behavioral disturbances encountered in situations where a deployment of a non-lethal technique must be considered."
Crowd control sponsered by Merck. Unreal.
Where are the Soylent Green people "scoops"?
recycleable body bags at a price slighty below premium urns.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
They're gonna warm our butts?
How patriarchal of them.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
than a spanked money my daddy always said.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Sounds like your family was kiiiinky!
HA!
when you're trying to subdue wheelchair-bound evildoers!
And the PO-lice will be just as responsible with their rayguns as they are with tasers!
Their motto is "Protect and Serve medium rare."
and lie flat on his face, I said< "F*&k it. You like the damn thing so much, sit there forever, Gramps."
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Note that there are actually two completely different technologies described. The large panel system is a millimeter wave microwave transmitter. The small transportable unit employs a solid state infrared laser.
They cannot be deployed thoroughly across our great land until the Chinese master their manufacture.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
... and be done with it, shall we?
economy. They must be privatized first so the invisible hand of the market can make their use of nuclear weapons accountable to the rational decisions of investors.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
They'll get their toys because it's about $$$ but each new toy means further balkanization between the governing class and the rest of us. And the social wall that separates the lowest bottom feeders of the governing class and the rest of us is vulnerably porous. The next step is for the governing class to choose its new members exclusively from its own gene pool.
They will use their new toys with great abandon.
Why not toast the remains so we don't waste good corporate crop land for ritual post life storage? (God I have been reading too much from Evet.)
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Sorry this is a safe way to deal with Mobs, you'll needs this when the "Tea Baggers" start their over through of the government. I know a lot find this bad but it is really a good thing instead of shooting into crowds. We tested this system 5 years ago at FT Polk and it is fully safe. The USAF is the development branch on this system
-Sarge
burned shut on a selective individual basis Sarge. Thanks for the reassurance. Better blind than dead, eh?
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
Seems to me that the only time riot police are used, is when liberals protest...
And didn't they say the same thing about the Tazers?
Also...seems that some cops are perhaps becoming a bit too...enthusiastic... when it comes to controlling the crowds...especially crowds of peaceful protesters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13iUAQBQbpw&fe...
I think the police force needs some training on restraining themselves in crowd control situations, instead of pummeling the shit out of someone with very little or no provocation whatsoever. I know things would be a lot worse if there were no cops...but y'all need to take it easy on those you've sworn to protect. Y'all work for the PEOPLE, not the corporations.
Although, that said... I think it is MUCH better than firing into crowds with live ammo.
there are an overwhelming amount of video clips showing the abuse of power at the Pittsburgh G20 protests...
Take that right away from them and you take it away from yourself.
It's seems like TPTB are trying to take away our rights to protest already....
But where were the cops with the sound cannons?
They sure as hell weren't at any of the teabagger protests.
No teabaggers getting roughed up by the cops...nope...seems like the cops wait to break in their new toys on the liberals.
Someone, prove me wrong here...but is there not a pattern of behavior here?
Cops only get aggro when it's liberals protesting.
Where in my post...does it infer ANYTHING about taking away the rights of anyone to protest?
SARGE??
SAAAAAAAAAAARGE?
Where'd ya go?
... denied because of a bunch of rabid Glenn Beck fans who don't know their asses from their elbows?
Think of how much metal we wear: glasses frames, wrist watches, keys in pockets, phones, PDAs, iPods, Bluetooth earpieces.
Tested HOW? Did you stand there in a dense crowd, where the presence of others kept you from moving as fast as you'd like? Was it in an open field as opposed to a crowded street/sidewalk?
The microwave system doesn't like metal? Are we forgetting shit like street signs, railings, mailboxes, and cars? Power lines overhead?
or in the case of many beck fans, plates in their heads...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
or pins...
being a guy that believes it more prudent to fight fire with water, why doesn't someone develop a Cannabis Cannon....when fired into a crowd makes everyone stoned.
Ever see people who are stoned fighting???...of course not - they're too busy looking for the pizza delivery guy to show up.
all it takes is all of us
Stoners just can't be bothered to fight.
and bounce it back at them.
Lower the retirement age.
principle. Also known as Republican Talking Points: Best Excuse.
"I mean Romney is the most conservative on illegal immigration and I don't think Ronald Reagan could get elected in California today."
Ann "Clipped" Coulter
OT but VERY IMPORTANT:
New VR Campaign To Stop The Incitement Of Domestic Terror By Extremist Media, Politicians And Religious Leaders: Attorney General Urged To Enforce Laws Stop Domestic Terror
http://www.velvetrevolution.us/stop_terror/
’bout time. :)
Thanks for posting that!
Thanks.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
I hope it spreads like wildfire!
Isn't it wonderful how the technology of keeping the peace has evolved? Not only can the cops beat, shoot, gas, electrocute and blow out our eardrums...now we can be braised like strip steak.
Government + the Federal Reserve = organized crime
are more and more benign...
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
This seems like a legislative job for
SupermanRep. Alan Grayson!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDtoGzQUTu0
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Let's let him run roughshod over the GOP obstructionists first...then we can try to get him working on this thing.
A lot of tongue clucking, and no table pounding.
They mean to f- you over, people! These weapons are being developed to be used against ANY form of protest not approved by the government. It is that simple. This isn't an academic exercise to be debated over tea and biscuits!
If this isn't stopped and soon, if it isn't made clear to the Powers-That-Be that this will not be tolerated, then someday, someone armed with a Molotov cocktail will ignite a civil war by attempting to use the poor man's equalizer against such force during a lawful demonstration being dispersed by such weapons. And given how many Iraq and A-stan vets who've returned, embittered, abandoned and angry, at their having been used for what amounts to a war for oil, the likelihood for that happening is very great.
Quit pissing and moaning and start pounding on your Reps and Senators doors and tables and let them know that if they don't stop this crap and soon, you'll see to it they'll get worse than a tar bath and feather rinse. Otherwise, we may see what Balkinization really feels like...
How about over blood and lady fingers?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... a sternly-worded letter or angry phone call is going to put steel in the spines of the Democrats, who have quailed, waffled, and conceded at every possible turn to the 'OMGZ!terrorists!' crowd?
It's silly to hope that common sense prevails when nobody in Washington has demonstrated that commodity for years.
while those in power prepare the modern day equivalent of the 'Jewish stars'? Recall that the first victims of Nazi eliminationism were not the Jews, they were the political dissidents, the trade union leaders, the gays, and the 'lives not worth living' (a.k.a the 'developmentally challenged' as we say nowadays).
It's still possible to get the attention of those who can stop this while there's still a window of opportunity. Or would you prefer to experience what Solzhenitsyn did while rotting in the Gulag?
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur -- what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"
The first words the military person says should be considered. They show what our military is really training to become. "non lethal weapons help the war fighter minimize collateral damage" That has nothing to do with a war situation at all. It only has to do with occupation and crowd control. In a war, you remove the threat. This kind of talk is disturbing as they have clearly manipulated these small minds into thinking their war is a police action.
And it was allowed under the rubric of 'saving the children from druuuugs!' Now said kids might get their eyeballs fried if they're in the wrong place at the wring time.
It was the great African-American abolitionist and essayist Frederick Douglass who said:
"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did, and it never will. Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are proscribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." (emphasis min - n.)
I guess that lesson has to be learned every generation, and with this latest technology, we're about due for another chapter in it.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Hmmm...doesn't say anything about heat guns or sonic cannons?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... right of the people peaceably to assemble AND to petition the government for a redress of grievances, you have a peaceful protest march.
I mean, all this money being spent to develop and deploy technologies that blind, burn, deafen, maim, and kill people who don't immediately comply with the goon squads' orders (and even some who do comply, but seem to be disrespectful about it anyway) -- why not go with something tried and true: Authorize the police and riot squads and deployed guardsmen and our latest overlords, corporate security contractor forces simply use their firearms to kneecap people at will.
It drops 'suspects' (aka 'people') in their tracks, disables them with agonizing pain, usually isn't fatal (usually...), and comes with a lifetime of permanent pain and crippled hobbling. They'll never cause trouble, run from the cops, or go to another protest march...ever! Plus it uses existing technology -- guns and bullets. It's just that simple!
(end snark)
Set phasers on tan.
"Anyone that makes less than $150K in this country, has no business voting Republican."
... Ya think John Boehner was a test subject?
So what do the fuzz think will happen when a few G20 protesters get their unwashed hands on one of these inside out heaters?
victims relief fund:
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/702444
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
to TeaBagger heads if they used it at one of those anti-American Insurance Industry protests? So they'd all look like the melted Schwarzenegger face in "Terminator"...permanently? Easier to identify on the streets so you can keep your kids away from them?
If so...might not be a bad idea after all.
"Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper
... types could wreak a lot of havoc with a good make-up job.
The Active Denial system for dispersing riots was a product of this program as well as the new hand held unit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfr-1fJMTbo
the Acoustic Crowd Control technology in Pittsburgh. Sure to cause momentary hearing loss and if not permanent. One sustained blast of this then the police can move in ordering people to leave. Since no one will hear well then the police will say, "what is the matter with you I AM TALKING TO YOU you are ordered to DISPERSE." Since they won't hear that either they'll have "product" to haul off to our Publicly Traded Prisons . .
Of greater significance was the introduction of the new DCHD (Domestic Control Hover Drones), which were displayed and offered for sale. They're about a meter in diameter and probably weigh about twenty kilograms each. It looks like a life ring (life preserver) with a motor in the middle of it.
They also have see-through capability -- with a thermal imaging sensor camera, which can actually see inside of buildings and see through walls. The device is meant to be used as a domestic control drone. It not only has cameras, but the most sensitive audio receivers that have ever been made. It can pick up a human conversation from five hundred feet away -- one human conversation. Not only can they photograph and relay still shots and real time video and transmit video, but they also have a "non-lethal" weapons capability, some sort of stun gun based on energy discharge technology. They're powered by what's known as a fusion power cell, which looks like a square pack of film. The power is produced through some sort of chemical reaction.
These drones can stop and detain people. Since they have a microphone, they can hover right in your face, while you're looking into the camera. It also has a transmitter, which can play pre-recorded messages, or someone can actually talk to you even though they're a thousand miles away.
During the demonstration, they hovered the thing around the room and then it came down in front of this Air Force captain's face, and it said, "Citizen, kindly present your national identification card."
Then a little telescoping plate comes out of it, and you're supposed to hold your national identification card in front of this plate. They wouldn't reveal all of its abilities of the drone because some of it was still classified. The manufacturer is the same company, located in Indiana, which makes other equipment for the NSA.
These surveillance drones could be used in Small Town America -- to cruise down the streets to seek out those who are potential threats to the security of the State - those who are "disloyal," those who are "different," and those who have already been deemed to be suspicious by Neighborhood Watch Groups, following the new protocols and reported to the newly created Civilian Defense Force.
pepperoni pizza delivered and the football game free from the threat of them god damn commie protesters across town.
Metal Gear Solid...
they had surveillance drones that looked similar to what you've just described.
Welcome to your police state.
Dissent will not be tolerated.
'The devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th, the New World Order was born on Sept 11th.' - Immortal Technique
In the past I said something true about tasers, and I'd bet the farm the same will be true of police having the heat weapons.
There are only three types of people who want the police to have tasers:
(1) The manufacturers, who profit from it.
(2) The police, who can rationalize excessive force becase the weapon is "non-lethal".
(3) The ignorant, who know nothing about the danger and lethality of the weapon.
It wouldn't surprise me if people whose heartrates are elevated by running could suffer cardiac arrest or stroke due to the added heat of the weapon, and possibly other incidents leading to people's deaths, whether suspects or innocent bystanders. If the weapons operate on microwaves, as I suspect they do, the weapons could interfere with pacemakers, hearing aids and other electronic devices.
Now that the corporation are in charge, the banks cleared out what was left of the government's funds and the top 1% took back all of the wealth distributed after the "New Deal" true capitalism is back. We had a short run from around 1940 to 1980 but elites had enough of that and are going to make the same mistakes. They have learned lesson from the labor, women's, LGBT and civil rights victories of the past.
The recovery is here and it is only for a select few. Elites are prepared for any backlash from a reduced quality of life, high unemployment and whatever else is coming to the prols. Fascism has a kinder gentler face these days. No more shooting protesters, that is bad for business. They will just use tasers, L-RADs, heat devices, pepper spray, tapped phones, unwarranted searches and intimidation. The boot is ready for our necks, they are just waiting to break them out. Oh yeah I almost forgot about private mercenary groups like Blackwater (XE) and that "American Police Force" in Montana (http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/mysterious-u...). All this and a movement has even surfaced. We are a pretty docile citizenry, why all these militarized tactics. Maybe they know something we don't. I believe the line is "the only thing you can not do with a bayonet is sit on it". Anyway I hope those enlightened billionaires Nader is counting on come through.
Time to pull out the heat cannons, I suppose.
What sort of situation would demand these things? (G20.) And why are we spending money on this technology, but not on healthcare? (Because taxpayer money goes directly into the pockets of corporate America, whereas healthcare involves losing money on providing services to people.)
So are the soldiers being cooked by these microwaves? Will they be future cancer sufferers? I see law suits a plenty.
in taser weapons for cowards with badges. Two groups of balanced individuals with no biases I really want to see with this.
Cops and terrorist will be lining up for this one.
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