There are so many lying, hypocritical fundamentalists, why, I can hardly keep track of them all. But let's start today with former Navy Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt, since his fabricated tale of woe has made him such a favorite of fundies sunk deep in their persecution complex (and this known liar is sending out fundraising emails warning Christians "Grandmas and unborn babies face extinction" under "ObamaCare"):
Gordon Klingenschmitt is a far-right Christian fundamentalist who claims he sacrificed his 16-year career in the military and a million dollar pension because he was targeted for praying publicly in Jesus’ name while serving as a chaplain in the U.S. Navy:
Klingenschmitt, who now runs a Colorado Springs-based nonprofit, “The Pray in Jesus Name Project,” is also fond of boasting to his right-wing extremist followers that he demanded his own court martial because his superior officers prohibited him from praying in the name of Jesus.
But those claims are flat-out lies.
I know. You're surprised, right?
He was actually charged with disobeying an order and kicked out of the Navy for attending a political rally in front of the White House in March 2006 dressed in his Navy uniform, a violation of military regulations. Dozens of media reports over the years have since debunked Klingenschmitt’s dishonest statements about the nature of his court-martial.
Furthermore, what makes Klingenschmitt’s claims of religious persecution so unbelievable is the fact that there have been dozens of examples where controversial, apocalyptic “End Times” evangelists like Klingenschmitt have force-fed their brand of fundamentalist Christianity down the throats of thousands of active-duty military personnel in Afghanistan and Iraq–in violation of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution–and the Department of Defense has turned a blind eye to the offenses, despite a mountain of complaints from the battlefield.
And he didn't walk away from his pension, as he claims. He tried to cut a deal with the Navy to keep it, and they said no. His lies are enough to make Jesus weep.
Via Irregular Times, Captain Norm Holcomb (a fundamentalist Christian himself), says:
I was the dishonored ex-chaplain’s supervisor for the past 2 years. I found him to be totally untruthful, unethical and insubordinate. He was and is contemptuous of all authority. He was not court martialed for praying in Jesus’ name. I sent him out in uniform every week to pray at various ceremonies and functions. He always prayed in uniform and in Jesus’ name. He was never told that he could not pray in Jesus’ name. In fact, the issue of prayer had nothing at all to do with his dismissal from the Navy. He disobeyed the lawful order of a senior officer. I am sure that you understand that Navy Regulations forbid any of us, regardless of rank or position, to appear in uniform in support of any political or partisan event.
[...] He appeared in direct support of a political event, demonstrating contempt for the order of his Commanding Officer and Naval Regulations that we all swear that we will abide by…. The ex-chaplain is a man without honor and you have accepted his story and in doing so you have had “the wool pulled over your eyes.”
And here's the text of a recent prayer this man of God offered up -- in Jesus' name, of course -- for God to strike down Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation and Barry Lynn of Americans United for Separation of Church and State:
Let us pray. Almighty God, today we pray imprecatory prayers from Psalm 109 against the enemies of religious liberty, including Barry Lynn and Mikey Weinstein, who issued press releases this week attacking me personally. God, do not remain silent, for wicked men surround us and tell lies about us. We bless them, but they curse us. Therefore find them guilty, not me. Let their days be few, and replace them with Godly people. Plunder their fields, and seize their assets. Cut off their descendants, and remember their sins, in Jesus' name. Amen.
And the greatest of these is Love. - 1 Corinthians 13:13
Those words are synonymous.
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And isn't it funny that I haven't heard a single one of the wingnut Evangelicals/Fundamentalists saying anything in respect to health care reform. Ditto with those slimeballs in the various "family values" groups. They hid during S-CHIP battle, they're hiding now. Afraid to antagonize their corporate masters?
FUNDAMENTALISTS PUTTING CORPORATIONS AHEAD OF JESUS
I don't know how many of the regular people realize they are doing the bidding of the corporate masters, I think they really believe some of their own crap. But they never stood for family values because when they have had total power they never do anything that would help the family.
And I love how these idiots are bashing the dems health care reform but how many times have they been in power (in the last 40 years) and done nothing to help the people in regards to health care? No, if anything that are mad that the people get anything at all, and they fight tooth and nail against the dems on any bill that would help the family saying it would be socialism, but giving it all away to corporations they will say is not fascism.
That is why I always say that the republican party is the enemy of America and more dangerous then Al Queda ever could be.
See the subject above.
Christ told him to lie it was for the greater good.
Eusebius's Holy Lying.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Sarah Palin has found her vice-presidential pick
"The Good and Great Must Ever Shun, That Reckless and Abandoned One
Who Stoops to Perpetrate a Pun," Lewis Carroll, 'The Three Voices.'
This is why, when someone tells me they're a Christian, I check to see that my purse hasn't been stolen. I know that all Christians are not like this because I come from a family of Christians. It's just that the label of Christian has been hijacked by liars and criminals who use it for personal/political gain. It almost makes me wish that god existed so he could take care of those people who lie, cheat and steal in his name.
I used to make a great deal of effort in respecting peoples' beliefs. That was until so many of them starting using their faith as a cudgel to club me over the head with. I know not all Christians are bad people but they all share a certain amount of responsibility for what the fundies have become. To this day, I don't see or hear enough of them trying to repudiate the haters amoung them. Just so we're clear, I feel the same way about Muslims and Jews too. Even the sane ones tend to get overly and aggressively defensive when you criticize someone of their faith, like it's a broadside against the whole religion. I was an athiest. Fundies of the big three have made me anti-theist.
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I respect honesty.
What makes a good person?
Margaret, you are right about the shared responsibility. Until the more sane amongst the religious shout down the whackjobs, it will only get worse as the multiply and become empowered.
You mean the same christianity which was founded by Peter (a virulent misogynist), the same Christianity which spilled large amounts of blood during its initial split (catholic vs. eastern orthodoxy), the same Christianity which ushered the dark ages, the same Christianity that brought us such fun times as the crusades, the inquisitions, the same Christianity which made burning people at the stake a spectators sport? The same Christianity that begat countless wars in Europe after its second split (catholic vs. protestant)?
Europe, during the time Christianity had its biggest strangle hold, was probably the most violent place in the history of mankind. The longest period of peace in that continent, ironically, coincides with the current few decades... which are the period of time when the influence and power by the Christian organizations has been significantly diminished. I assume that is all a coincidence.
That Jesus feller must have been an awesome feller, problem is that there is absolutely no historical record of his existence whatsoever. However, there is plenty of historical record of atrocities done either directly or indirectly because of christianity (or involving devout christian peeps). So, excuse me if I am just tired of them Christians riding on the coal tails of a dude who may or may have not existed a couple thousand years ago... trying to act as if they are the victims of some "hijacking." Which such a track record of destruction and negative impact, it is a work of genius that they still get away with the benefit of the doubt.
Good grief...
..someone around here gets the idea: religion is just a tool to turn the masses into non-thinking conformists, regardless of what it may have been before..
Did I really write that? I worked for a man who proudly proclaimed (this was in the middle of the bible belt, Wichita, KS) that he was a "Christian Businessman". He was so crooked that when he dies, they will have to SCREW him into the ground! I'm with you; whenever someone makes it a point to claim they are christian, I check my watch & wallet.
We "pagan Jews" have an expression: "Don't tell me what you believe; let me follow you for a day, and I'll tell YOU what you believe."
Since the first six letters spell out "Christ", I assumed that these people were associated in some way with the legendary Jesus Christ of "turn the other cheek" fame. Now I see that I was wrong and that it is a mere linguistic coincidence, like the way jewelry really has nothing to do with Jews.
than the one he claims to pray to.
there's that other one who celebrates lies and liars...
what's his name again?
Al Franken?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The one which killed all of humanity at some point because he didn't like their attitude? The same god which allowed millions of his "chosen people" to be exterminated at an industrial pace during WWII? The same god which seems to be too busy to notice genocide after genocide of his "precious" children? The same god which allowed humans to suffer just because some dumbass ate an apple at some time? The same god which is omnipotent, but somehow needs money? The same god which is all good, yet somehow allowed bad to exist? The same god which is everywhere, but somehow is too busy to say hello? The same god which was performing all those miracles and tall tales, but became camera shy suddenly with the advent of instantaneous communications and scientific advancements?
That god?
are the only military branches with any sense of sanity left in them.
I was openly and publically ridiculed and mocked in the Navy when I admitted I was atheist and that was in 1986. I can't imagine that they have gottne better since then
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... the Airforce seems to be one small step away from requiring all equipment to be branded with giant crosses. And the officer core in the army seems to be having trouble distinguishing between early morning battle briefings and prayer services.
The people I know in Navy are all fairly liberal and rational, and Coast Guard are actually useful. Maybe the open ocean is what makes a difference (I have always been rather weary of landlocked places ;-)).
They finally had to can Fisher DeBarry as the AF Football coach because he wouldn't stop proselytizing to his players. After all when you step out onto the football field you are fighting God's battles. Which is sort of interesting if the opponent is doing the same thing. Does that mean God makes the game a tie?
I can hardly wait when they finish those Superchurches on severals of these Military Bases. Yep, it's going to get very interesting when they come on line.
If team A beats team B, team A goes on to claim that "god" is on their side.
By logical extension, and by direct implication, "satan" is on the other team's side.
Or, "god" wanted a team to lose. If it's team A, the godbots, who lose the game, do they ever admit that "god" wanted them to lose? Not ever.
Worse still, you get morons like Kurt Warner who loses his job on merit and then whines that the coach was "anti-christian". No, Warner, you're just old and past your sell-by date.
Hi Margaret,
I think I should have added the "relatively" qualifier to my statement. Compared to the Air Force as Tyler pointed out and the two ground force services the Navy and USCG come across as being relatively saner. Not totally sane of course but saner.
The USCG draws a different sort of person I think since we still are first and foremost a lifesaving organization. We don't necessarily want to go blow things up though we're perfectly capable of doing so. Especially after GHW Bush turned us into the mini-Navy during his 4 years and some of that stuck to this day.
From my stints being moored at Navy Bases as well as extended stay for individual training as well as Cutter training such as REFTRA, I always got along with Navy personnel and found most of them to be fairly enlightened. Of course I never discussed anything of a religious nature so my experiences certainly can't be compared to yours.
Sorry to hear about your experience and it truly is sad when people are singled out for their beliefs. Personally I have never been a religous person and have never attended a church service. I also refuse to talk about religion and sometimes that's just as bad. You're immediately pegged as a non-believer and they feel they need to fix you or demonize you.
Take care...
Oh my. A lying christian fundy with a persecution complex.
I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you. (where are my winnings?)
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A million dollar pension? How long did he think he was going to live?
I retired at age 46 and for me to hit a million dollars in retirement pay I would have to live to be 96. A possibility but I'm not betting on it and neither should have the lying preacher.
is gonna love ripping this dude to shreds.
Fundies are always demanding special rights. If they are beating you over the head with a baseball bat and you tell him to stop then you are persecuting the fundy.
Their intent is clear, they are the Christian version of the Taliban. They'll use the Constitution to the point they are in complete dominance of the country, then they'll tear it apart.
there are thousands of US Armed Forces personnel infinitely better beings than this one being let go because of DADT.
Forgive me, I must be blind as a bat and deaf as a post, or just not looking in the right places, but is there anyone DEFENDING DADT?
moved from a position of abandoning DADT to changing it, if I read posts at americablog correctly. Something about DADT to be salvaged?
But don't automatically believe what John Aravosis says. I've known him for many years and he is an ex-Republican with his own agenda.
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And as William S. Burroughs once said:
"If you're doing business with a religious son of a bitch, get it in writing. His word isn't worth shit. Not with the good Lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal."
my aunt's attitude towards business. It is totally acceptable to screw over anyone not of her faith, which, of course, is the only True Faith. She only needs to be honorable with other True Believers because non-believers are all aligned with Satan and why bother to deal honestly with Satan or his minions.
She's a Jehovah's Witness, but I suspect you could substitute any of the Fundie cults and get the same core belief.
Read People of the Lie to learn more about the psychology of evil.
“The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit.
We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre, and in the press — in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture
as a result of Liberal excess during the past years.”
— Adolph Hitler - Taken from The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1,
Michael Hakeem, Ph.D. (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pp. 871-872.
Also see. . . “Who Said That?”
... find them all useful.
I attended a rally he orchestrated this past week in Central California. Afterwards, we went to the local pub and stayed late. Who should walk in but Klingenschmitt, accompanied by a couple of teenage gay boys who he was hitting on over drinks. He's creepy and obviously filled with self loathing.
when they've given up that much of their souls, self loathing meters in at a mild glow.
ha, good!
whatever,, you think jesus would join the navy?
neg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"Let their days by few, and replace them with Godly people."
When someone gets up as an ordained minister and says the above words, they should be charged with a crime. I think it's criminal to insight murder, or harm to an individual, etc. Somehow trying to instigate harming or murduring someone while at the same time hiding behind the Christian cloak is going to far in this country. You can't use "freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion" as a way to harm someone that you don't agree with.
What can we do to stop this. Tiller.....town hall meetings on health care.....the list goes on.
I see that he's being joined and supported by certified wingnut Roy Moore. If I knew nothing else about the case, that fact alone would lead me to the same conclusion I reached from reading the story. The crazies seem to stick to each other like glue.
Funny how professional victimhood and a persecution complex didn't exactly work out, huh Gordon? Know why? They aren't genuine spiritual values.
"We will find fulfillment not in the goods that we have, but in the good we can do for each other."
Robert F. Kennedy
Seems a bit harsh just for showing up at a political event in uniform, even though it's in direct violation of the UCMJ. Seems to me that a more appropriate sanction would be an OTH, (Other Than Honorable), or, in the case of some really blatant disregarding of direct orders, a BCD, (Bad Conduct Discharge). If it truly was a dishonorable discharge, there is more to this story than we know. I'm not defending him but a dishonorable discharge is something usually reserved for people when they have finished doing their time in military prison.
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While I am unsure about his discharge to still be a Lt after 16 years in the Navy suggests this guy was not top of his class. Remember as a Commissioned officer some of the penalties are different than those applied to enlisted personnel.
What I was taught many, many years ago was there are only 3 categories of discharge: Honorable, General, and Dishonorable.
... I don't think they follow the same ranking order as "normal" brass. For example, one buddy of mine, was in the reservers after med school, and he made it into the army directly as a captain without going through the 2-level lieutenantship process.
I still find it mighty ironic for a devout follower of the so-called "prince of peace" to be a "lieutenant."
When I was in the Navy, officers with substantial training were commissioned at a rank higher than Ensign (O-1). I think Chaplains came into the Navy as Lieutenants Junior Grade (O-2). Navy officers typically serve two years in that grade before being promoted to Lieutenant (O-3). If the chaplain served 16 years in the Navy as a chaplain, then he only received one promotion during that time, which is not the standard. Most of his peers probably were promoted to Lieutenant Commander (O-4) after five years in grade as O-3.
So it appears his anti-authority attitude did not help him get promoted in his military career. If Klingenschmitt had a hard time following military regulations, which he took an oath to follow, I suspect he also has great difficulty following God's Commandments.
Doesn't seem like he became a chaplain to spread God's love throughout the land.
Margeret:
I can honestly understand your feelings. Most of my biological family shares your feelings. As a believer I have found it extremely hard to stomach the hate and hypocracy that abounds in the Religion Industry. I also find it impossible to rationalize the words of Religion Industry mouthpieces (Dobson, Perkins and others) with the teachings of Christ. I am glad however whenever a group from my church goes to the poor and less-fortunate and trying to help. Unfortunately, these quiet acts of service are drowned out by the idiots.
I don't know what to say except I fear plenty of well-meaning (and not so well-meaning) folks are going to wake (post-death) to a real unpleasant surprise. I'd suggest you check out Rev. Jim Wallis' organization Sojourners at www.sojo,net before you write us all off.
Lying is rampant in America. Somewhere along the line it became ok to lie about anything and when you get called on it you just deny the facts and tell a few more lies. I remember my parents telling me that once someone lies to you it's very hard to trust anything that person says ever again, but that's not the case anymore. Wingnuts seem to be especially forgiving of liars.
This is a culture of dishonesty. If you are not dishonest, you are an outcast, a sucker. Rove has had such a huge impact on this country, as has Bush and Cheney. And they will have their behavior condoned by the government, because it will not be prosecuted. Whenever I hear someone say we should look forward and not backward, I want to...never mind. It involves a baseball bat.
People of the Lie by M. Scott Peck
It is on the psychology of evil, how it develops in people, groups and whole societies.
Read it and you will never again look at people like this is the same way.
These people bow to no authority; legal, moral, or spiritual. They pose as "moral" people as a tactic, but the truth is that nothing is as important to them as getting their way, and they feel totally justified in taking any action to ensure they will get their way.
The teabagger/birthers/KKK/fundies have absolutely no compunction about forcing their will on others - in their minds, anything less is totally unacceptable.
These people are dangerous.
Another right wing victim! Where's Ann Coulter, will she write a book or has she got her hands full at the moment writing a book about the worlds biggest right wing victim X-governor Sarah Palin the Quitter?
looks and sounds like the next propaganda minister, a Goebbels in training.
about white, pudgy-faced, gay conservatives?
"Religion poisons everything".
Just another liar for Jeebus.
thought most of Christianity was violent superstition. He made his own Bible with only the words of Jesus, which he considered the highest moral and spiritual teachings. I agree.
When you strip out the talking snake superstitions, the Old Testament vengeance and the New Testament violence and misogyny, and only look at the teachings of Jesus, you find a real way of living that is not based on lies and the attempt to use religion to coerce.
Of course the Fundies can't be bothered actually living by the teachings of Jesus, because that requires, first and foremost, taking responsibility for your own actions and spirituality, not obssessing on controlling everyone else's - something Jesus addressed directly.
These so-called Chrstians actually have little or no use for Jesus the teacher, only Christ the martyr - as a rallying cry for their never-ending religious Crusades.
In fact, if you look closely at the Fundies and what they preach, Jesus is almost invisible, except as a victim of violence. His teachings are rarely referenced, because they have no relevance to the Fundies worldy agenda of garnering power and wealth.
It's pretty amazing.
Those poor Christians, always being victimized!
Aren't they biggest victims? Here I though throughout history all those who died at their hands from the crusades to the present with those killing in the name of God were the victims but now I see the error of may ways. It's the persecutors who were the victims all along.
A college history professor once told me "The more you understand about the history of Christianity the more you come to understand why the Romans threw them to the lions"
They're wackos, they're Authoritarians, they're our Taliban. they believe anything is permissible (especially lies) because they're acting in the Name Of God. Which is why most independents will never vote to give the GOP power so long as these Fundamentalist wackos are associated with it.
...but if he was "praying publicly in Jesus’ name," he is disobeying Jesus' very instructions. From the sermon on the Mount: (Matthew 6:5)And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. (Matthew 6:6) But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. (Matthew 6:7) But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. (Matthew 6:8) Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
I always wondered how so-called Christian ministers could so openly disregard this part of Jesus's most important sermon. But disregard it they do, and their crowds flock to them.
People of the lie.
Does anyone know what sect he represents? I tried to Google it and found nothing, but this is interesting:
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2007/07/th...
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The church of the poison mind perhaps?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIj5gG9rHkw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad4n8Vayuqs
Christians are bad for morale and unit cohesiveness. They should be thrown to the lions.......er, I mean out of the military.
That's the most ridiculous name I've ever heard.
For God's Sake man-change your name. How about Bob Klingenschmitt?.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
I may be confused about this prayer thing but I thought Jesus said to pray in private and don't ask the lord for anything because he knows what you need. If I am wrong excuse me. If I am right a lot of so called Christians are not following Jesus but a bunch of morons with their own personal and political agendas.
vw52
...then show me his damn long-form birth certificate.
10 years: Lt. Rev. Shane Dillman, 35, Bethesda, MD, convicted of rape. A self described “hopeless addicted” is convicted of raping a young women enlistee he counseled. Dillman was a chaplain in the US military and a Pentecostal pastor.
[Source: Lansing State Journal, 6/2/09]
Study the symptoms not the virus...
When you're a man of god, if you say it, it's true.
...he wasn't charged for "praying to Jesus," but he SHOULD have been! After all, it is criminal fraud to make claims to prospective followers and emotionally needy delusional people that Jesus actually exits. The FACT is that Jesus NEVER existed:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
He has aired radio ads on my local fundie/winger station (KVOI) asking people to allow U.S. service personnel to hand out Bibles in Afghanistan.
http://radamisto.blogspot.com/2009/07/fundie-...
Klingenschmitt has a YouTube channel where the prays in jesus name for whatever fundy-gel cause he thinks will get him some donations. As evidence that his prayers fall on non-existent or deaf ears, check this vid out where he prays on Aug 2nd for Sotomayor's confirmation defeat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-1FIt1UaPw
Ex-chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt,
Hypochristian too,
In Navy clothes went out,
Did politics he shout,
He got courtmartialed and then drummed out for it
Tra la la, la la la la....
As a retired military chaplain, I applaud the public accounting of Klingenschmitt's true reason for why he's not in the Navy anymore. He is a disgrace when compared to the rest of the several thousand Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist military chaplains providing religious support to any Soldier, Marine, Airman, Sailor or Guardian desiring to exercise their "free exercise" rights as they serve their country.
People of the Lie by M. Scott Peck, (He also wrote The Road Less Traveled).
People of the Lie is a book about the psychology of evil, including how whole societies can become evil. Read it and you'll never look at people like these religious hypocrits in the same way again.
This is a good book for stripping the blinders off and realizing that there is no limit to what these people will do to get their way. Lying is nothing, killing is nothing, the only important thing to any of these people is getting their way.
They don't believe in democracy or the law, except where they can use them as catch-phrases to get their way.
This is way more serious than we are giving it credit for - the people urging violence are not kidding, if killing people will help them get their way, they will do it and they will blame the dead.
Time to stop pretending these are harmless nut-jobs. These are evil, dangerous nut-jobs.
The Genius Osama bin Ladin has been manipulating the climate for years,
bringing more rain in order to make the middle-east greener and the growing
seasons longer, leaving ours shorter with very low rainfall years. Trouble
is, he's sped up the Earth's spin too much.. Notice how quickly we reached
August this year? At this rate of spin we will plunge into the Sun by 2012
and God will not stop Osama because the Almighty has taken sides with Islam
in this Holy War between the Bush Administration and the Moslems.
God hates the Republicans and has decided they are influenced by a false
Prophet... Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. God cleansed the Earth of the
hypocrites once before, 12, 000 years ago by flood. This time God will
cleanse the Earth of hypocrites, liars, false prophets, Town Hall revelers,
thieves, child fornicators through FIRE! The Earth will become a cinder in
space.
The Bush Pride cometh before the fall.
See my site for instructions: http://nostradamus2012.com/ (not mine)
SEE HOW EASY IT IS? YOU LET YOUR IMAGINATION RUN AND PRETEND YOU BELIEVE THIS BULLSHIT AND VOILA---YOU HAVE A WINGNUT REPUBLICAN.
Every idiot knows that Dr. John Lightfoot, (1602 - 1675) calculated that the earth was created on October 23, 4004 BCE, at 9:00 AM. which would make the earth 6,013 years old.
And no smart remarks about Standard or Daylight Saving Time.
Since a Canadian, Sir Sandford Fleming, is usually credited with the invention of worldwide time zones, in 1879, and a New Zealander, George Vernon Hudson, is acknowledged to have introduced the idea of Daylight Saving Time, in 1895.
Therefor, the time in 4004 BCE was local time, so if you know where God first stood back to admire his creation, that's the time zone.
When you're a Christian scientist you're not tied down to using only things which you can observe and measure or demonstrate to anyone else's satisfaction..
These extreme far right religious nut jobs have turned Colorado Springs into a mecca for those that believe they can force their religious beliefs down the throats of those in all walks of life-the military, education, government. It will not stop for these people until they install a evangelical Christian state.
Imagine praying for someone's demise just because they believe differently from you!
I am not a religious person, from what I have read of Jesus, these people preach the direct opposite: pure hate.
Paul was the misogynist, not Peter. Which just goes to show, there's nothing like a convert for being totally off the wall, batshit crazy.
Disobeying a lawful order is very serious, particularly for an officer.
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