R.I.P. Kimi Young, 22, Another Casualty of Our For-Profit Deathcare System.
Another bright young life snuffed out because of our crappy health care system. And, if history's any indication, no one in Congress will care until it happens to one of their own family:
OXFORD — Friends say the Miami University graduate who died this week after reportedly suffering from swine flu delayed getting medical treatment because she did not have health insurance.
News of Kimberly Young’s death Wednesday, Sept. 23, came as a shock to those who knew the vibrant 22-year-old who was working at least two jobs in Oxford after graduating with a double major in December 2008.
Young became ill about two weeks ago, but didn’t seek care initially because she didn’t have health insurance and was worried about the cost, according to Brent Mowery, her friend and former roommate.
Mowery said Young eventually went to an urgent care facility in Hamilton where she was given pain medication and then sent home.
On Tuesday, Sept. 22, Young’s condition suddenly worsened and her roommate drove her to McCullough Hyde Memorial Hospital in Oxford, where she was flown in critical condition to University Hospital in Cincinnati.
“That’s the most tragic part about it. If she had insurance, she would have gone to the doctor,” Mowery said.
Family members indicated that Young died from complications from the H1N1 virus, but the Ohio Department of Health, the Hamilton County Health District and the Butler County Health Department were unable to confirm she had been infected with the virus.
Bret Atkins, of ODH, said late Thursday afternoon that his department had not received a specimen yet to test for the H1N1 virus. If it is confirmed, Young would be the fourth Ohioan to die from the virus and the second from Butler County.
Young, known as “Kimi” to her friends and family, graduated from Elmwood High School in Wayne, Ohio, and earned a bachelor of arts in international studies and a bachelor of fine arts, while minoring in French and Spanish.
I've heard hospitals are refusing to admit those with Swine Flu, for fear of contagion.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Actually because of the swinehundt flu hospitals are acting a lot like this now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM4xweHetCQ&fe...
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Death panels!
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
What I understand in the era of rationed health care is that the death panel has decided that only people age 6 months up through age 24 can get the vaccine, and people like me are left to DIE, DIE, DIE.
I'm surprised Fox News hasn't gotten all worked up about this and advocated that the vaccines be distributed, at auction, to the highest bidders.
I'd rather die than take any 'DeathVaccine' even touched by Donnie Dumsfield. I also left the country when they started talking about implanting ID chips in people. No one is putting an ID chip in me.
The insurers and providers are the death panels.
The politicians who stand in the way of healthcare reform.
If they're against it, they are in fact condemning people to either bankruptcy or death if someone gets seriously ill.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
You people on this site need to open your eyes to some truth. How do you expect doctors to take care of an additional 50 million, if you include illegals, with the numbers of doctors we have now. It's Economics 101, Supply and Demand. You are going to increase the demand. How do you expect what we have now to take care of that?? Not to mention the number of doctors that are threatening to retire early if this goes through. You will experience rationing and less quality care. You think people are dying now because of how the health care system is run? Just wait until its "free." Do a little research and try to break the arguement. Good luck.
will send us some doctors, like they do for all the other American countries when they have a shortage.
But oh no, we couldn't accept help from the COMMIES!
Maybe if our education system hadn't been ravaged by conservatives, we'd have more doctors.
The only long term solution to our escalating costs and care needs is to develop cures. The trouble is, since Reagan, a substantial amount of the research has been outsourced to corporations, who have, as a primary consideration, enhancing shareholder value. Hence, we're getting maintenance regimes, where the patient is tethered to the pharmaceutical corporations for life.
Cancer kills 500,000+ people per year, yet the government spends $5-$10B on research? Bin-laden kills 3000, and we spend 100s of billions, mainly in a nation that had nothing to do with 9-11.
Since the private market doesn't have financial incentives to develop cures, there is a substantial public interest in a government effort to research cures, to bring down the costs in health care. To break the double digit inflation in health care, we're going to need cures, in cardiology, cancer, Alzheimers and diabetes.
If you don't believe it, you should. Insurance companies routinely deny coverage or reduce their portion of payment for illnesses/treatments/diagnoses that are considered too expensive or unnecessary (determined by in-house doctors and pharmacists).
Oh, and that whole illegals thing you just trotted out? Fail. Nothing in any of the proposed legislation would provide coverage for illegals. They would continue to get their health care the same way, through the ERs of hospitals. And we would pay for it the same way we are now, through taxes.
Now, if there was an option that allowed for low-cost basic coverage on an individual basis (instead of the "group plan" system now in play), more people would buy insurance, putting more money into the "pot", which in turn would lower the cost to the taxpayers.
I'll give you the same advice you gave us: Do a little research and try to break YOUR argument.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green
Freedom Ain't Free - Pay Your Share
Kimi lived in Boehner's district.
really gets me POed!
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Kimberley Young, another martyr laid on the altar of For-Profit healthcare.
If she'd gone to the doctor when she first got sick, the Tamiflu might have helped.
A former award-winning journalist and lifelong class warrior, keeping a jaundiced eye on the Washington elite.
Suzie do some research on this Death Vaccine. It's killed more than saved.
Maybe, maybe not. She might not have been given Tamiflu anyway. But if she had been seen by a doctor when she first got sick, and had received reasonable treatment for her symptoms, she might be alive today. And let's not forget the other issue - while she's been going about her business as usual, because she can't afford to do anything else, she's exposed everyone she's had contact with. It's certainly nothing she would have done on purpose, but it is what it is.
Where do you work? If you work anywhere in the private industry, your company's profits go to pay for your salary and benefits. Insurance Companies have to hold a certain amount of money on hand in case those that they cover get sick or whatever. What they have after that goes to growing their company (new jobs). Whatever is leftover the owner gets to keep. And YES they do get some profits to keep. That is a result of years hard work and dedication. Have we really gotten to this point that no one can make a profit? Is that not what America is about? The American dream? Just because some people work hard and are successful so they can hire you and others on this site, does not mean they should not be demonized.
do you work for, anyway?
That used to be the way, the British and American way. Firefighters were paid by insurance companies, and if your house was on fire and the fire brigade showed up, but your house didn't have an insurance badge, your house was allowed to burn.
Health care for profit is the same. We are ranked 37th in the world in healthcare by the WHO. Morocco is 29. France is 1st in the world. This is based not only on quality of care, but availability of care.
As an uninsured (underemployed/unemployed} person who had to wait 2 years after the onset of symptoms for an ER diagnosis of cancer, I find your opinion on this matter to be without compassion, totally selfish and thoroughly disgusting.
I am at the point now, after listening to this bullshit like yours where I wish the exact same on people like you, so you would know how it feels. It took my illness to turn my brother around. I hope you are enlightened in the same way.
me-oww!
2 years what was the original symptom. were you in the VA system that sounds more like VA wait times.
I had symptoms I never dreamed were cancer. I couldn't afford to have a $5000 test and be told there's nothing wrong with you.
The symptoms started in 1999. I did not go to the ER until I was passing blood and my BP was 198/159, another thing I did not know until I got to the ER. That was July 2001. My tumour was the size of a fucking softball by then. Instead of needing treatment that would have cost maybe 10K, I had a 10 hour op that cost about 20k per hour. Instead of be able to go back to work and contribute to the tax base, I am a drain on the system.
me-oww!
Mine varies a little but it's 80/45.
That is with blood pressure medication but I only take half a pill at a time.
The VA then changed my prescription and wants me to take the whole pill.
I did that a couple of times at first w hen I first got the medication, because I thought that was what my prescription called for then, and I nearly passed out.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
While I like capitalism, I think it needs to be regulated so that it operates in the public interest. I do not support it on ideological grounds, but only if the data says it's working.
The fact is, if this dead woman had universal coverage, she probably would have sought medical attention sooner.
Now, we're paying 50% more for our health care in this country then any other industrial country, and the data indicates we're coming up short. Part of the problem is restraint in competition in insurance, where a single carrier is dominant in a market.
We could try to tweak the system to provide for more competition, but right now, there is a tremendous effort to hobble a competitive alternative, namely the public option.
My conclusion is that the current approach doesn't operate in the public interest. 85% of large businesses self insure, and if we're going to have a mandate for everyone to insure, then the nation should self insure, for the exact same reasons large businesses do. I don't see the value added in paying a risk premium when the risk is diversified over 300 million people.
Health care shouldn't be viewed as a discretionary expense similar to the purchase of a HD television. Therefore, I think there is a substantial government role in assuring that all citizens have access to health care, where the focus is on healing the patient, without first determining whether the patient can pay.
I read this story yesterday on thinkprogress and couldn't stop crying! All of our thoughts and prayers go out to her family!
As for the GOP and the insurance industry, I can't really say what I'd like to see happen to them both. Yes, it's that bad!
Haven't cried in ages
Wouldn't know how,
Probably part of the reason my pancreas is damaged.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Feel free to say what you're thinking. I'm sure we'll all agree.
What a shame and what a beautiful girl.
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go stand in line at a charity?" Eric Cantor
help.
In this case, the dorm occupant next to her.
Did she, in between bouts of insane, mind-bending sickness and pain, ever bother to crawl on her hands and knees next door to beg for financial help? If she didn't, why should we care?
After all, America was founded on neighbors watching out for each other... and that came way before Obama's fascist dreams of a death-cult health care system.
USA!!!! USA!!!! USA!!!!!
[wastelandusa, we know this is sarcasm. I want to let the person who is grieving for Kimi who flagged this comment that wasteland is commenting sarcastically on the insensitivity of the system that led to your friend's death-Sitemonitor]
...I bet you're from Texass!
we love you kimi.
I'll show up at my Representatives office and sneeze on everything. I'll tell him that I want to make sure his health insurance is really that good.
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what a goddamn waste of a life.
SO wrong on so many levels.
What kind of country are we? To have people fighting for the for-profit healthcare refusers is true evil (IMO) not well meaning, dumb or deceived.
Grrrrrrr.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Will it take. Do they even care?
By the way the GOPers are behaving , I'd have to say no.
This also applies to the blue dogs in the Dem party as well.
How many hundreds of thousands is it going to take?
Meanwhile, more people die. Why?
Is it because it's politically expedient to curry favor from the ins ind and big med and big pharma? So they can fill their bank accounts and coffers? So they can keep their position of power and notoriety?
Do they even care? Obviously not.
Someone please step up. I'm speaking to you Madam Speaker.
I know you check in here from time to time.
And this thread will most certainly get your attention.
Take the gloves off. People are dying.
You are in a position of leadership. Use it.
I mean you no disrespect Madam Speaker.
The time is now. Please help .
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Because with anti-choice laws there's more where they came from,
Although ironically they don't believe in reincarnation.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
And every single person needs to carry a picture of someone who died because of lack of healthcare.
The sad part is, there wouldn't be enough people to carry all the pictures of those who've died because of lack of healthcare.
We're talking decades of people who shouldn't have died prematurely.
At the very least, an open ended public option that encompasses all. With vision and dental.
I've been lurking lately and reading the comments about healthcare reform.
This thread brought me out.
This is really fucked up. This young vibrant woman should not have died. She should still be alive today.
I would like to see someone in Congress hold up her picture to all the Congresspersons and Senators. I want The President to look at this young lady's picture. I want them all to see her face, when they close their eyes.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Lets hope you didn't die in vain.
Lets hope your passing will make them see.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
occurrence for me. I'm a nurse, work in a hospital and regularly see the effects of lack of access, be it to doctors, medications or both. People that have strokes because they can't afford their blood thinners or medication to control their hypertension, people with complications from diabetes who can't afford their medications, people diagnosed w/cancer that can't get treatment because they are uninsured, etc. It's depressing.
People have said thank you to me and my fellow vets for serving. I can honestly say that almost all of us here don't want the thanks. But, we should be thanking you and people who do what you do.
So I say Thank You boocilla. And I mean that. I'd also like to thank everyone else who's a nurse. Thank You Very Much.
With out you folks, we'd all be dead.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
How many more pictures will have to be held up once the government takes over health care??
Long time no see.
Where has responsibility of the individual gone? She could have purchased insurance before she was sick, which would have covered her. And notice that she was not turned away at the medical facility. You people demonize the health care industry, but show me where in a major country socialized health care has worked. Canada, Britian?? She would have been waiting for days to see a doctor or died in the process of trying to get treatment. You people that support the government taking over health care or becoming a part of it, need to get a clue. Stop being a Lemming, jump out of line, and realize that government is not the answer. It is the problem.
go jump out of a plane. Please forget your parachute.
You are a cold, heartless, callous INSURANCE COMPANY SHILL and we don't need what you're selling.
Do you know how much it is to purchase individual insurance?
A student can't afford it.
You are scum.
Did the article not say she went to the doctor and they saw her?? She did not get turned away and was seen quickly. I like how you call me names, but avoid the arguments.
But deluded and unrealistic apply.
You also avoid the argument. Do you know how much it costs to purchase individual insurance? How to you think a student could afford it?
Yes, once she was desperately ill she went to a doctor and they saw her. Of course, she couldn't afford to pay that doctor, who certainly would have been demanding payment, but that's OK, right? And let me ask you - doesn't it bother you that the bill for her care on an emergency basis is easily 3 to 4 times as much as it would have been if she could have gone to a doctor the first day? And doesn't it bother you that YOU are going to get to pay that price? It's going to be absorbed by the people with insurance, and by the people that pay taxes. So you are paying 3 times as much for a child to die.
How can you say "government is the problem" in relation to the delivery of quality health care when the government finances Medicare payments for the sickest among us....the elderly!!!
Ask any American with Medicare coverage if they'd like to surrender it so they can pay out of pocket to some rotten, gouging for-profit health care corporation?
Pfffttt!!
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
All those losers who get cancer, or MS, dementia, alzhiemers, huntingtons corea, skin cancer, stroke, heart attacks, car accidents, job related accidents. And this list goes on. Through no fault of their own.
These losers should just nut it up and pay for coverage. And pay even more if the have a pre existing condition. They can work 2 jobs to pay for it if the have too. They can take the money away from their children to pay for it. Damn losers. Freeloading hobos come to this country and expect a free ride.
Well I say screwem. let them eat dirt.
Yeah, the healthcare in Britain is so bad, They even make house calls.
Stop parroting Beck and the rest of Foked Nooz's talking points.
And I just want to say, Keep The Govt' Out of My VA healthcare!
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Here's an idea: start an online site memorializing those who've died because they don't have health insurance or been denied care. Make sure the insurance companies are clearly identified.
YES
YES
Make sure your Congress members know this news. And it wouldn't hurt for the White House to hear about it a few million times, as well. Our politicians clearly need to be reminded that their decisions actually affect real people.
My sympathies go out to her family and friends.
The funny thing is that so many of the folk who oppose health care reform are probably at the State Fair of Texas right now consuming mass quantities of deep-fried butter.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
yum yum I could use some deep-fried butter right now...
Most people have heard of "cost-shifting." Cost shifting is how hospitals and practioners make up for the cost of care for people that cannot pay but get treated as emergency patients. If you have insurance, your insurance company or a government program like medicare, medicaid, SCHIP, etc. has negotiated the cost of your procedure, test, evauation, etc in advance with the provider. It is supposed to represent the "actual cost or close to it." It is generally somehwere between 20%-60% of what the practioner bills for their services. It varies widely state to state, carrier to carrier. If you don't have any insurance you are responsible for the full billing, so while the insurance company may get off for as low as 25 cents on the dollar, the uninsured get stuck with the whole bill. Example, I recently had a test that was billed by my local hospital at over $6000. My insurance company settled with them for $1600. If I hadn't been insured, I would have been responsible for over $6000. This is insane. The people that can least afford care are preyed upon to subsidize those than can't pay anything at all and to allow the insurance companies to cut a deal. This system makes it even harder for people without coverage to get care. I am stunned that there have not been class action lawsuits against providers for this kind of extortion against the uninsured and under-insured. They are robbing those with the least to perpetuate a terrible system.
When I was considering being "self-insured", I took a look at a hospital bills that said something like $800, insurance paid something like $216, patient responsibility $0. So, the real cost of the procedure was $216, whereas, if I had no insurance, I would be billed $800. All the bills from that procedure were about the same, insurance paying 25%-35% of the total costs. That is what is fueling the bankruptcies. They had something on 60 minutes a couple of years ago on this issue.
Seems to me that there is a combination between hospital and insurance companies to force people to buy insurance by price gouging those without insurance. I don't think a person without insurance should be billed more than a person with insurance.
though not as costly.
I got blisters overnight after my nadir during cancer treatment. I was seen in the ER at the UW hosp. There was something effed up with my Medicaid, and I was prescribed some silver sulfa cream (usless as tits on a boar, BTW). The pharmacy had rung it up as a medicaid sale, and voided it. I said how much? they said $17. I wrote the check and she said that's the insurance price. your price is $29. I was getting about $800 in SSI, my rent was $630.
me-oww!
I was listening to Randi Rhodes on the radio when the story broke. Some Right-wing idiot called in and accused her of using "the same scare tactics she accuses the Right of using" because she cited the girl died of "Swine flu".
He didn't get that the disease itself was irrelevant, and no amount of arguing would convince him otherwise.
These people live in their own little universe. So why must we live in it with them? :(
* There are two types of Republicans: millionaires and suckers.
"Mugsy's Rap Sheet": Recording history for those who seek to rewrite it.
You must live with us, because when you want someone to pay for your health care you need someone to pay for it. If there was nothing but liberals in this world there would not be anyone making money to pay for this and for people to sit at home while I work hard to provide for my family and people I don't even know. I could be able to put more money away for my daughter's college, retirement, etc... However, the government decides to take a nice chunk of change out of my paycheck to pay for things like what I have mentioned and much more that I don't agree with. I bust my butt for people like you. Welcome to our own little universe.
"Our own little universe
Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:48 — ArmyFlyer
ArmyFlyer is on your ignore list."
If we ALL put ArmyFlyer on our ignore list would he just go away??
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
But they will just sign him in under another name, through his "@aetna.com" account.
No one asked you to. That's totally your choice.
me-oww!
Go back to your own little universe, please. You're boring.
Is that right? Bustin your butt on the tax payers dime. Gonna retire from the army and collect more from the tax payer and you'll be getting that socialized medical care that's called the VA.
You're a circular firing squad. Do you even see how stupid, ignorant, indignant and condescending you sound?
Since you're on my dime. Get your ass back to work and make my money get it's worth. That is If you are a Veteran at all?
And if you are retired Army, I'll bet you got a cushy govt' job didn't you? Still milkin the system aren't you? Don't have the balls to get out in the real world and make a go of it. Gotta have the medical coverage, right? asshat.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Liberals don't work and pay taxes? I didn't get that memo!
And to think, I spent all those years busting my butt for people like you, and I could have been lounging in the lap of luxury.
Damn... could someone make sure I'm on that mailing list next time?
On making a profit: In the 70's the ratio of what a typical CEO made was about 30 times what his average employee made. Nowadays the ratio is closer to 300 times what his average employee makes. The average worker's pay, in contrast has basically been flatlined since the 70's. CEOs aren't using revenues to improve their companies or to give their employees wages that are in pace with the cost of living, they're using them to pimp out with handmade goldplated toilet seats. Yes, CEOs are literally sitting on your daughter's college fund.
As for liberals not paying their share of taxes: Funny, how almost all of the donor states in this country are blue states and almost all of the recipient states are red states. Hope you're enjoying my stoplight and paved roads, you rugged conservative individualist you.
Just to be clear - according to the story, the only indication that this is actually swine flu is the say-so of her family, who are definitely biased on the subject. No medical professional has confirmed that. People die of regular flu all the time... no need to feed the hysteria.
Just this week--as a matter of fact--that ANY flu right now is considered to be the swine flu.
Both my youngest and I had to be signed off that we were both suffering from a common cold and not the flu before they would let my kidlet back in class.
when i was a kid, my mom would send me to school unless i had a fever over 100
however today, seems that immunity across the board is way down, and one kid can take out an entire school...even with the common cold
this is what happens when you have years and years of over medication
Regardless of what she died from, the point of the story is the insurance aspect or lack there of.
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...no need to feed the hysteria.
Public health officials have said the tests aren't turning up any other kind of flu, so they're treating all current flu cases as swine flu.
A former award-winning journalist and lifelong class warrior, keeping a jaundiced eye on the Washington elite.
You and Army guy can go to your own little universes, Please.
Back in 2003 she was very ill, and had no insurance. She borrowed money from her poverty stricken parents (they are all *legal* immigrants, but still poor) to just go see a doctor. The doctor said "I think this is X, but it might be Y. I can treat you for X, which will also temporarily alleviate the symptoms of Y. But you need some extensive tests to rule out Y or possibly even worse disease, Z. They are expensive tests."
So he treated her for X, and she responded, and she paid for the visit and the extortionately expensive medicine, which left her in debt, on top of her university debt.
Well, here in 2009, the symptoms came back. But now she has health insurance. So she goes in and gets the tests done and she does, indeed have disease Y. She now has 30 - 40% kidney function and will likely be on dialysis in 5 years and awaiting a transplant. If she had the tests done several years ago, she could have had treatment start at an early stage, which would have prevented all this.
She is very depressed and wonders why she went through all the misery to escape her birth nation and become a US citizen, when her native country had national health, and her family connections would have put her in a good job, albeit in a rather "restrictive political environment", and if this disease had happened she would have been treated and on medication for life, but at least not facing dialysis and transplant...
So, I listen to her cry on the phone, her voice cracking with rage and disgust and a deep sadness that breaks my little tweakerbelle heart.
Now she understands why I fled the USA, and why I told her to keep her options open when we met back in 2002, and why I am so intensely critical of not only the conservatives (who are a violent bunch of retarded asshats) but also the liberals for being such a gutless bunch of losers. She voted for Obama, specifically hoping he would bring national health to America. I told her he would waffle and baffle and muffle, and he is, and she feels betrayed. As she should.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
And very sad, too.
I really do think the country is beyond saving ...
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I left the USofBLOODYISRAEL long ago. Her 'illegal' parents were wrong to try the USofBLOODYISRAEL, she should return to her native country. Many are quite aware of the flimflam WALLSTREETBANKSTERS and are very sympathetic toward fleeing Americans.
... this young woman should have sold all of her worldly possessions to purchase healthcare. Or gone knocking on her neighbors' doors asking for "charity."
Arizona Sen. John Kyl (R-Sexist Bastard), in arguing against healthcare reform, said he "doesn't need maternity care." Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) replied that his mother probably did. Ba-da-boom! A three-pointer for Debbie ...
To borrow again from Mike Malloy: Have I mentioned today how much I hate these people?
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I hate mike malloy.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
(Malloy) does bug me sometimes.
I can't hardly listen to any radio shows these days.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Then once in a while you'll contribue something relevant, germane, cogent and worthwhile.
Why, may I ask, do you hate Malloy? Too straightforward for you?
If anything, we need more take-no-prisoners firebrands like him.
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About 30 minutes worth of material, and the next 2 and a half hours is pure bluster.
randi rhodes is just as bad.
It's the sort of thing that killed liberal talk radio in the early 80's.
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She's insufferable. It's always about her. Drama queen extraordinaire.
But Malloy takes names and kicks asses (including Democratic ones).
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This site, like so many others, often malfunctions.
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basically, because the ad hominem attacks get in the way of many of his good arguments
there are other reasons that i dont like the guy...but i will get in trouble if i bring them up...so i wont
Mike Malloy is great, but when he goes on a 9/11 truther rant, his tinfoil hat is on just a bit too tight and he morphs into a frothing 9/11 truther - so I shut him off- But the rest of the time I enjoy his show..
I'm not as far left as Mike, but I agree with many of his views, like disgust with right wing bigots-
But I don't agree with his view that 9/11 was an inside job.
Bush and his minions were incompetent, and couldn't have carried out such a plot even if they tried.
9/11 Truthers are to the left what Creationists are to the right; 'tinfoil hatters' who do a good job discrediting themselves.
Cantor represents Virginia, not Pennsylvania. My birth-state dumped its dumb-ass senator Ricky "Man-on-Dawg" Santorum...Virginia still has its dumb-ass.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green
Freedom Ain't Free - Pay Your Share
It's hard to keep all of these reich-wingers straight.
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Especially when they're anywhere near an airport bathroom.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Paging Larry Craig ...
...isn't a strong enuffff word! "Flushed" is more like it! Wait til ole "man on dog" tries to run for prez!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaha! What a fuxing schmuck!
I posted this below and I thought it somehow apropos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDw3CyOmj20
Perhaps this could refer to the insurance companies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWqQ9uwqQxk
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
TRILLION dollar
warmongerI mean "defense" budget is to protect a country full of the sick and dying because we can afford thewarmongering"protection" but we can't afford to keep the protected healthy?Maybe I'z just cunfused . . .
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
We must protect all the buildings that are threatened by terrorists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87x8R0BjgJk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL2biLIOe-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_YwpZ5qEzM&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrhTUfBY1vA
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
The story left out some key info. She went to an "urgent care center." What is that? Is that a doc-in-the-box or a hospital emergency room? Was she refused treatment? What is the treatment for Swine Flu if money is no object? Are hospital emergency rooms in Florida required to provide emergency treatment regardless of ability to pay?
Say no to sucky high-deducdtible/minimal-coverage mandatory health insurance. Single-payer health care for all.
Ted Rall has healthcare coverage and gets the flu.
http://www.uexpress.com/tedrall/
Single payer or they are just shuffling the deck chairs.
There is no other option and that should have been the non-negotiable position from the start.
The healthcare industry still has a place enhancing the basics.
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Ensign...
So we may end up going to PRISON in the future if we don't pay the penalty/fine for not complying with purchasing health insurance (that we very well may not be able to AFFORD!!)
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
Body Attachment
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That's supposedly what the public option/exchange is for, making it affordable for everyone.
Although I still have my doubts about it, because what is affordable may be at the expense of other expenses.
And saying getting rid of waste will pay for the program? Every politician says he's against waste, but we still have it. It also sounds too much like the republican argument for why health care costs so much, instead of excessive greed and profit.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Miami U is in Ohio.
me-oww!
I think more and more people are thinking about making their life outside the U.S. It is not just healthcare. It is a quality of life issue with regards to employment, work hours, retirement benefits, etc. Other nations, value quality of life more than McMansions, fast cars and stuff. They value time together and relationships instead of running the hamster wheel to keep up. We should urge our kids to learn other languages so they have options.
it's about all money all the time.
Sorry, but seeing this poor girl's tragic death used as a political football is really bothering me. A rational analysis suggests regardless of health insurance or lack thereof, she simply did not go to the doctor when she should have done so. I don't have health insurance myself but know enough to go to the doctor occasionally when I'm feeling sick.
the wingnuts politicize every tragedy that they can
the girl didnt have the money to see a doctor
she shouldnt even have had to think about it
and wouldnt....IF THERE WAS MEDICARE FOR ALL
I WANT GIANT BANNERS MADE OF HER CUTE FACE
THE FUCKING REPUKES KILLED THIS LITTLE GIRL
I don't know about that. She was working two jobs at the time, there's no indication she couldn't afford a doctor's visit. Most doctors will treat you first and bill you later. Not to mention there are existing programs such as Medicaid that cover emergency doctor's visit.
Regardless, using someone's tragic death to promote a particular political viewpoint seems wrong in a way. Like something Bush would have done. It's sad you have sunk to his level now.
That she's not making enough money. That's what.
She was scared to go into so much debt that she thought she could ride it out and be ok.
She was wrong. She should have gone to the doctor.
But she shouldn't have been saddled with so much debt.
This is a classic example of the state of healthcare in tis country.
Do you think she's the only one ?
This is not making her or her situation a political football.
This is real. This is the state of healthcare in this country .
This young lady should still be alive. There is no excuse.
Just wait till flu season really hits. This one is going to be a ball breaker.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Puhleese.
How about a human view point?
The right to be healthy.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
c'mon.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
but here in los angeles, there isnt a doctor who will allow you a visit without cash in hand
you see...we are in a depression...they ain't billing anyone...unless you have insurance
treat you first and bill you later, maybe five years ago, but not now. Every provider I see here wants their copay or co-insurance up front before I even get anywhere near the doctor. My daughter had surgery recently and we had to give the surgeon his $250 copay before we could proceed. No money, no access.
Because here in the Midwest, most doctors won't see you without insurance unless you pay cash up front. And unless you've qualified and been accepted for Medicaid BEFORE you go to the doctor, it won't pay your bill.
If you go to an emergency room in a public hospital, yes, you'll see a doctor. You may or may not receive treatment, because unless your condition is potentially life-threatening, they don't actually have to treat you. And life-threatening or not, you have to pay for that treatment. It's not free.
Oh, and perhaps you missed the part of the story that reports her roommate's statement that she didn't go to the doctor because she was worried about the cost. Maybe you live somewhere different than I do, but I don't know too many people that are working two jobs because they're rolling in money. They're generally working two jobs because they can't make ends meet - and at least one of those jobs is at minimum wage with no benefits.
Go to a doctor and explain "I have liver failure" or "I have cancer" and then tell him how you don't have any health insurance, and see how far you get. We're not talking about breaking an arm, or coming down with the flu, or some other limited, episodic health problem, because those situations are relatively cheap and easy to fix (set the bone, provide some meds and tell them to rest, etc.)
The real expense is End Of Life Care and chronic/long term diseases, and for that you need insurance. Period. And having to bankrupt someone so they qualify for medicare is immoral and wrong.
You don't know what you;re talking about, and you're clearly out of your depth. Her death IS a political act, as it is a function of the american political economy acting AGAINST its citizenry in order to benefit the wealth and privilege of a tiny ruling class and the bloated corrupt corporations they control.
It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it.
-George Carlin
Actually... we are talking about having the flu. I'm pretty sure that was the cause of death here. I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to.
When you don't have enough money to both pay rent and the the bills, how are you going to go to a doctor that costs hundreds of dollars for a consultation?
You must be insured, or rich, or both. Or just plain stupid or heartless or both.
He's got socialised medicine. From the largest socialised medicine organisation in the world.
Notice how this guy, like our congresspeople, is all about "I got mine, so fuck you?"
me-oww!
I'm on the VA system. Otherwise, I'd probably be dead right now. And combined with having to watch my mother essentially slowly die from when I was 8-20, makes me want to spread it around.
During the S-Chip controversy of a year or so ago I put an unsigned suggestion into the VA hospital suggestion box. That they encourage those of us who can afford it to put a few bucks that the VA could send to various S-chip funds.
Unfortunately, a lot of the vets look like they're homeless.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Richest country in the world, and we have this type crap.
We had a seventeen year old kid come in to our clinic and he ended up almost dying for the same reason. There is no excuse. We are America. We can do better. We think outside the box and find solutions.
So why are we letting politicians and lobbyists make policy that will prevent good health care? Letting a 22 year old or a seventeen year old or a five year old die for lack of health care is atrocious. That 22 year old girl was somebody's child.
If we don't get good health care in this country then we aren't a world leader anymore. If we can't take care of our own we lose the respect of all the countries who can and there are plenty of other countries who are doing a better job.
And btw...those HSA plans? Crap. I have seen many come into the clinic with bills they can't pay because the deductible is too high and they don't have the money to pay for the medical bills that came due. Hello America...in bankruptcy.
Jeanne
While there is nothing sadder than a young life lost its especially sad because this did not have to happen.
The far right wants to paint primary health care as if its some sort of privilege, as if people who are uninsured are freeloaders who want a luxury handout.
My heart goes out to Kimi’s family for this senseless loss.
The Christ cultists on the right diefy a guy who helped the sick- yet they care nothing about helping the sick......
This shows the true calliousness of the American socitey, to allow the needless deaths of people who could be healed..
I fully expect right wingers to react to news of this death with mock 'boo hoo'tears, or with laughter...
all to Hell.
"To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And,
at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between,
plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big "thing."
This is truth, to me. "
-Jack Handy
Dog darn it all to tongue.
No matter what you do a dog will always lick ya.
Of course we all know that dogs like to lick at their own crotches and butts too.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
"Mowery said Young eventually went to an urgent care facility in Hamilton where she was given pain medication and then sent home."
(From the article)
What's interesting is that the reichwing will often say no one lacks health care when there's always the emergency room.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
At 22 she was probably paying her way through college, or paying off college loans.
I've read somewhere the average college student just entering the job market has a $10,000 college loan debt to payoff
And today's job market ain't so good.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
I heard it was more like 35K
What is your conceptual, continuity?
and I see a person full of life and fun and the potential
to do such good things in life and get good things
out of life.
Gone.
So that some CEO can hoard more money than can ever be used
and buy politicians like pastey-faced creeyistyin Jon Kyl who would deny healthcare to expectant mothers.(100% rating by Focus on the Family)
This is no democracy. When average people have to fight tooth and nail just to SURVIVE - tell me:
where is the ****ing democracy?!?
And if you have a god - why hasn't he or she or it taken the first-born out of all the families of these profiteers?
Feminine problems?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w2hX86XNNw&fe...
Just for the hellofit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWRrL2YJbLM&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Shit like this happens every day around the world. Why is it suddenly more tragic here? Are we worth more than kids in Africa dying of malnourishment?
But it is particularly pathetic that this is happening in a so called "developed nation" where "quality of life" is high and we have the means to give everyone healthcare.
humbles me.
of the "fight of the century" for decent, available health care for ALL Americans, regardless of their portfolio. And this tragic story is a prime example of what is wrong with the current state of health care.
Especially after Cantor's views were exposed...
I ask again, When did it become an American value to profit from the pain and suffering of the less fortunate?
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" - Red Green
Freedom Ain't Free - Pay Your Share
but it became the way business is done when Reagan took charge.
me-oww!
In Michael Moore, Sicko film, there is a Nixon tape between Nixon and Kaiser of the HMO of the same name. I believe that was the inception of the profiteering on sick people.
There is no counter argument to this story. This girl died because America has a health care system that is comparable to a 3rd world country. She should be shoved in the face of all politicians repeatedly and they need to give up all benefits for every day that passes because more people are suffering and dieing while they sit with their thumbs up their ass.
If they want the American people to go without so can they.
but it's not at all comparable to a third world country.
We have ALL of the technology needed to have the best healthcare in the world.
When I graduated from nursing school in 1978, we were still in the top five countries regarding quality and accessability of healthcare.
We could still be there except for the ruthless greed of these capitalists.
But yes, considering the fact that you have to be rich to get adequate medical care, we might as well be in the middle of some jungle or swamp.
But they don't charge per day but like six months or a year at a time, with high deductibles and copays, and the policy likely to be cancelled when you make a claim, if they don't just deny the treatment.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
And you signed on just 35 minutes ago to supply that bilge?
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
it's not bilge. It's shit on a shingle.
me-oww!
http://midwestrocklobster.com/100107/shitonas...
Must be why we vets get free health care
Minus what they charge our insurance provided for at work
Minus the cost of copays for the clinics we visit
Minus the costs of medication.
However, one of my medications cost like $300.00 for 30 pills, and I get a three month supply for $21.00. But when you multiply it out with all my other required needs, it costs me around $250.00 every other month, so they're saving me a fortune, but I have to wince when I write that cheque.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
per capita for the health care that isn't universal, than other developed countries pay to cover everyone?
It's a RACKET.
go to profit for private insurance providers. That's why.
me-oww!
Half to into CEO's pockets, that's why this girl had to die. Don't politicize this??????????? Hello???? PUKIES politicized Shavio!!!!!! Why are all the PUKIES here today???
of Kimi's death/illness, but I can surmise that she either had severe dehydration due to vomiting/diarrhea or perhaps she developed a secondary bacterial infection like pneumonia.
Most likely some I.V. fluids, I.V. antibiotics, some anti-nausea meds, anti-diarrheal meds would have saved her life.
For the REAL costs of a hospital bed, nursing care, the meds etc., a 5 day stay to save her life shouldn't have cost more than about $10,000 total.
And had she had access early on, as someone mentioned, perhaps a few doses of Tamiflu and some Zofran for nausea etc. would have been all she needed. Cost? About $200.
Health care MUST be considered a HUMAN RIGHT....especially in a country where so much of our paychecks is TAKEN IN TAXES THAT GO TOWARD WARFARE AND NOT HEALTH CARE.
Her death was needless, cruel, inhumane and should not be tolerated in a "civilized" society.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
how congress is now not representing the people anymore, the rush to defund an entity that helped poor people while healthcare legislation is stalled, Torturers and war criminals being given a pass, the saturation by screaming lying assholes on the teevee, the racism directed at the president by the losers in the race-I could go on-I'd say we are far from civilised. So this kind of shit is par for the course. And not only is it tolerated, Thugs and the rest of congress not only tolerate, but ENDORSE this treatment.
me-oww!
This will never happen to anyone in Congress, because we all pay for all of them to have top-quality health-care!
And they're not going to let us have the same health-care they have, because the health insurance industry won't let them.
It's as simple as that!
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