August 27, 2009 06:00 AM
Sign the Petition: Name The Healthcare Bill After Its Biggest Advocate, Ted Kennedy
We've lost healthcare reform's biggest hero, and it's only fitting that HR3200, the healthcare reform bill, bear his name.
Progressive Change has started a petition asking Congress to honor Ted Kennedy's memory.
In just a few hours, they've collected over 10,000 signatures. You can add yours here.
For many members of Congress, it may be the inspiration they need to get this done.
I am honored to sign the two petitions at the link. We will miss you, Senator.
http://healthcare.change.org/actions/view/con...
http://www.change.org/actions/view/we_the_und...
http://www.change.org/actions/view/rep_mike_r...
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It is virtually impossible to make any sense of HR 3200 and from what I have read it's all about the insurance exchange, not universal coverage.
SUPPORT HR 676
However, the new Health Care Reform Bill Must NOT SUCK.
Or it cannot have Kennedy's name on it.
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Senator Kennedy was a champion for single-payer health care. If the health care bill doesn't at least contain a public option, then naming it after him is practically an insult. His name needs to go on real health care reform, if and whenever that ever happens.
like you said, it does NOT get the name of Kennedy upon it. Do not embarrass the man with a crappy bill just to put his name on something to pass. In addition, stop this insane bi partisan ship crap. That word was never even thought of for the last 8 Bush years, so why worry about it now, they have had plenty of time to get on board, it’s time for the Ship to leave the dock, all aboard that are coming aboard. Use the 60 votes and get it done now, you missed his dream, now do something with the majority you won in Nov.
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YES.....a strong public option is a minimum requirement.
Rename just the "Public Option" to something like the "Ted Kenedy Non-Profit Health Insurance" option
If this abortion, illeagal immagrant, rationed care supporting bill is passed with Kennedy's name on it, then when it fails the Kennedy name will be tarnished forever with no way to recover.
Susie Madrak, this morning you forgot once again to take your BRAIN PILL.
HR 3200 is a complete piece of CRAP.
The Senate rumbling will be even worse.
Do not, I REPEAT, DO NOT, attach Kennedy's name to it.
Watch these videos of Kennedy proposing a single payer plan in advance of Richard Nixon announcing his version of HR 3200, THIRTY EIGHT YEARS AGO.
That is how far the Democrats have fallen, they now sound like Richard Nixon.
Video here
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
the word "tact" in the dictionary. Our hosts seem to be a tolerant bunch but gratuitous insults are neither necessary nor helpful to making your point.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Look up the word "fact" in your dictionary.
Also "research" and "consistency" while you are at it.
Another mindless outing, among many on a critical topic.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
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statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
then please enlighten as to what a "BRAIN PILL" might be. Is it something from a drug trial in which you are participating? In which case I must ask: are you sure you're not getting the placebo? Manners Alice. Manners. Our hosts are not the enemy.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
The 'Brain Pill' would be for the poster to consider the consistency of their own posts and of the analysis therein. Or more precisely the lack thereof.
If I don't mince my words to your liking then don't read them.
Our enemy is the acquiescence of the many against the turpitude of the powerful few.
That acquiescence is facilitated intentionally and unintentionally, through carelessness, neglect and incompetence.
Both ends are dangerous. I call out the former in extremis, I call out the latter also.
Putting Kennedy's name on this bogus health care reform bill would be a travesty. It would do far more damage than it would good.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
I just don't think it was necessary to add the insult. I occasionally disagree with Suzie myself. She is staff and works hard to produce the content of this site and deserves respect in consequence. One just doesn't pee on the host's carpet. I, on the other hand, am just a regular poster. Feel free to have at me. Just so you know, I have a hide like a rhinoceros so you might have to skate pretty close to a TOS violation to really get under the skin. Good hunting! You may find this hard to believe but I generally quite like your posts.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
She spells her name Susie.
Here is the post.
I will grant the first premise only in the sense that Kennedy was at it longer than anyone else, left standing, in the Senate.
The second premise that HR 3200 is THE healthcare reform bill is PREPOSTEROUS. I will not grant it.
First of all, that is the house proposal, but second of all, the Senate and most specifically the Gang of Six are going to do even worse.
The connection that it is only 'fitting' that it bear his name is specious.
That reduces the rest of the statement to incoherence, worse.
This is far worse that meaningless. Attaching Kennedy's name to this abomination may be all the cover that some nominally 'progressives' need to cave.
I am indifferent to the person of the poster.
I have a declining respect for the intellectual capacity of the poster to write logical and therefore compelling statements.
One does more damage by writing non sense than writing NOTHING.
Get people to sign a petition to attach Kennedy's name that looks like one of his proposals, say HR 676, for instance.
statusquObama, change you can only pretend in
My sister's name is Suzie.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/08/1...
Passed out of Kennedy's HELP committee. There's not a word in there about single payer, it's only about "affordable" insurance.
A former award-winning journalist and lifelong class warrior, keeping a jaundiced eye on the Washington elite.
Before my computer started acting crazy again. So I bookmarked the link.
Thanks Susie. I'll be reading it for awhile.
But by the looks of it. I think we should pass. And go right back to the drawing board. But, the risk with that is, it might take another 30 years for it come back around.
Not too happy right now.
What is your conceptual, continuity?
Without Kennedy to lead the fight for national health care, Democrats will fall to their knees, as usual, and cave into whatever demands the Republicans put forward..
I am also honored to sign
We will all miss the liberal lion.
He did a bunch for the people when he could have just been boating or enjoying his wealth.
I'm not sure I could have that kind of humanity.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
It's a "no brainer" (pardon the pun)to name a healthcare bill after Senator Ted Kennedy. But if you really want to honor him and his years of service, wouldn't it be more fitting to put his name on a good bill. Please progressives don't get blinded by the neon lipstick and miss the substance needed to reform healthcare.
"Kennedy Single-Payer"
Would ROCK!
Sadly we will not get there in this bill.
I urge anybody with an interest to look at how Social Security and Medicare were passed. The original bills on both lack many of the provisions we take for granted now.
Once in place - this healthcare bill will evolve.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
signed and forwarded.
...now back to fighting and attacking the liars.
HR 676 would be more fitting for Teddy's legacy.
If it is a GOOD bill that has a robust PUBLIC option..
I think it would be AWESOME to name it after The Sen.
I think anything less than true reform, or a punt to handoff to another generation, should bear noones name but the ones responsible.
God Bless the Kennedy Family during their time of mourning and loss.
Tacking Kennedy's name on this insurance industry bailout it is simply a matter political expediency. Don't be fooled by labels.
HR676 is the only bill that has merit. Insurers hate it because it will provide citizens real affordable care.
... the ones who put in Section 204?
If you need funds to pay for essentials, you have a revenue problem
If you need funds to pay for frivolity, you have a spending problem
HR 3200 is all about the health insurance exchanges if I am not mistaken.
I wish they would call it the Kennedy Option rather than the public option
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
H.R. 3200
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/200...
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So I'm wondering why some folks think the "public option" isn't in HR3200 and why others think the bill is so bad?
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Where is the Public Option?
"87,000 uninsured individuals would gain access to high quality affordable health insurance."
Please define "high quality" and "affordable".
This is the biggest snow job since WMDs.
I'm still reading this POS, but am seeing things I don't like:
Insurance companies can still rescind, which nullifies all provisions about prohibition exclusions for pre-existing conditions and lifetime limits. You can appeal a recission...whooptee-do.
Pooled insurance deals made by the newly created Commissioner of Health Choices are not subject to the Federal Aquisition Regulation: no bid contracts.
Health insurance becomes mandatory: the IRS is authorized to tax 2.5.% of gross annual income for anybody whose insurance is deemed to fall below some minimum standard at anytimeduring a calender year: this is, effectively, a legal requirement to shop at the company store.
Public Option: What public option? this is an option to buy pooled/co-op insurance not an option to sign on to Medicare. IT's a bogus snow job.
In general: for every requirement, there is later written a loop hole to allow isurance issuers to escape the requirement. This whole thing looks like a piece of work that has been undermined throughout in order to give all advantages to the insurance companies. It's a wealth give away to the insurance industries.It is a study in over complication and needless complexity.
If I am reading it right, it appears that it is intended to take the place of the military medical system, the VA and Medicaid? I've got to reread that, but that would just end up being a privatization scam designed to put more cash into insurance company hands.
The entirety of HR-676 can be read in one short setting. It is clear, unambiguous and clearly designed to see to the welfare of all the People. this thing is 1000+ pages long, and is filled with what looks like, on first reading, contradictions andrequirements that can be easily nullified by loop holes that are inserted throughout. The overall tone and intent of the proposed regulation does not appear to put the People first. Or second.
I'll have to read, and re-read this. I've got a whole lot of WTF(?) reactions, to some of the bogus BS it looks like they are trying to pull.
HR-676!
QHBP = Qualified Health Benefit Provider. HR3200 will subcontract the "public option" to private insurers.
They will of course have to meet various conditions, but you can be certain that Uncle Sammy will more than make up for any impact on their bottom line.
Has anyone heard if either of the Clintons has issued a public statement regarding Teddy Kennedy's death?
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/26/bu...
Hillary here:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/...
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
THERE'S an unimpeachable source of information. If FAUX "News" told me the Earth is a sphere, I would have to research it because I would be sure that it cannot be.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
The earth is an asymmetric oblate spheroid. Fox News would be wrong to make a statement that the earth is a sphere. It would also be the rule rather than the exception.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Thank you so very much!
Say what you mean. Mean what you say. But don't say it mean.
If this is how I can honor his memory, then sign me up.
Ted Kennedy wouldn't want his name on a piece of shit that mandates everybody buy insurance from a private company with no oversight or public option for example.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/200...
Public option is in there and mandates are not.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
You are linking to one bill out of one committee.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
But no other text available so what are you citing?
Rumors and M$M cum pundit BS.
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Please see the explanation below. Please see also United States Congress and Schoolhouse Rock "I'm Just a Bill"
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
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Name it 'Kennedy' to encompass all the Kennedy brothers
The nattering naybobs or negativism can't bother the actually READ the bill?
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/200...
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
Do you just not understand how congress works in this country? Hardly surprising from one who cites FAUX "News"
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
Just read a tweet:
"RIP Teddy Kennedy. In lieu of flowers, please pass health care reform"
http://the-billablog.blogspot.com/
It must include a public option and no bullshit co-op. There will be no bill anyway or at least one that does anything meaningful. Corporate interest is just to powerful.
is intended to be a factual statement
Anywho?
Am I the only one tired of Nazi references and right wing hypocrisy when it comes to the health care debate?
Here is an example.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=2694
name this bill after Ted, it would do him a great disservice since unlike Ted, this bill is weak and compromised. When democrats stop cow towing to repub obstructionists and craft a bill worthy of honoring this man, I'll sign anywhere you want.
have a place to hook the chain??
a four hoof dolly or they eventually leave streaks on the road.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Somebody has a good idea that he/she thinks ought to be law. If a Congressional committee takes it up, then a draft is made. The bill must then be discussed in the relevent committees in both the House and the Senate. These bills are always dissimilar and therefore must be reconciled,(all the committee bills are made into one), and debated by the full House and the full Senate. Then if they both pass both chambers, a process called reconcilliation takes place in which a committee from the House and from the Senate give and take things to make one FINAL BILL that will be again voted up or down by both houses, (except in the Senate in which it can be filibustered by a minority). Should this FINAL BILL be passed by both houses, it then goes to the president's desk to be signed or vetoed.
This is just a short lesson in how the process works for those who missed Schoolhouse Rock or skipped government class but sneer at other people for not believing that ONE BILL from ONE House committee is somehow the final product. Do with it what you will.
Barack Obama: Change we can only imagine
just watched these clips to see how long we have stalled or, in some cases, moved in reverse.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care...
“Why would anyone with a functioning brain believe this guy?”
Some guy with an eating disorder
a newly unemployed man or woman or someone with a pre-existing genetic disorder or even someone who is just poor can say: "Thank goodness we have KennedyCare" when illness strikes that will be a good thing.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Put the Kennedy Curse on it.
a douchebag hit and run troll...
It would be subject to right wing assassination attempts.
Hasa Diga Eebowai
Hows about Hr.676 be named after Kennedy or if that lame ass 3200 is the one, just the states public option provision be name the Kennedy option, I am sure Kucinich/Conyers wouldn't mind. That bill is lame and actually turning me off, the sillyness is making me just not pay attention anymore. I am pretty sure that is the point of this entire current government's games, too turn us off.
and they are doing an excellent job at that.
over what the bill will be called-named rather then getting on with the business of overhauling this countries entire Medical Complex.
or . . .
(Institutionalized medicine - patients reduced to a revenue-stream.)
Senator Kennedy deserves better tribute than to attach his name to the current piece of corporate cake. We should honor him by fighting for what HE was fighting for. Nothing less.
In death, Kennedy is being eulogized as the “Lion of the Senate” —a master legislator and advocate for the common man. While the personal tragedies of the Kennedys evoke in the public a certain sympathy for Ted Kennedy, the fact remains that his name is not associated with a single serious social reform. He spent his final decade sponsoring bipartisan measures of a right-wing character, such as George W. Bush’s “No Child Left Behind Act”—an attack on public education—and a punitive bill targeting undocumented immigrants that failed to win passage in Congress.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/aug2009/per...
I'll sign a petition to name the plan after Ted Kennedy ONLY if it every American health recieves coverage under the health care reform-
If the US can afford spend trillion of dollars on a war to kill people in Iraq and Afganistan, then it can afford to spend money to help Americans stay alive with national health care....
But if it is just another giveaway to the private health insurerers- like in MA where people are rquired to buy private health insurance- or face fines, it would be an insult to Kennedy's memory...
I think the name of the bill is fine. Ted Kennedy was a good man and he understood that this was not about him, it was about everyone else. Democrats can honor him by passing a good health care, minimum wage and other reform bills. That's what Ted was about, and that's why I love him.
but not HR-3200.
Do we want Ted Kennedy's name on a final health care bill that may well be an empty, meaningless, more expensive version of what we already have? Matt Taibbi's article in the present Rolling Stone says its possible that we'll be left with this. I don't want Kennedy's name on a bad dog of a bill.
not some anemic crap meant to placate the moneymen. THEN I will sign a petition putting Kennedy's name on it.
Anything less would be an insult to his name.
There's always free cheddar in the mousetrap, baby. - Tom Waits
I have happily signed both of these petitions -- thanks for offering.
RIP Senator Kennedy.
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HR 676 is better!
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Starve the WAR Beast...
... Save the World.
and leave politics to the grownups. TROLL
...I know I'm not the only one who thinks that naming a bill in honor of Ted Kennedy isn't a good idea until we actually know what's in the bill?
If my goal is to recognize Kennedy for his many years of work trying to expand health care coverage to all Americans, shouldn't the bill honoring him be a good -- perhaps, even great -- piece of legislation?
Is there any reliable evidence at this time that the final bill will be any good at all? It could contain a mandate requiring coverage by a private insurance company.
I've joked about this being the PIE Act -- i.e., Private Insurer Enrichment act. I don't see any reason why it should be the EMKPIE Act.
I understand the desire to honor Kennedy. But naming a POS bill after him wouldn't be an honor, it would be an insult.
I think this is a well-intentioned, but premature idea.
Count me out. I'm not signing anything until I know the final bill is something I favor and that offers real, meaningful reform.
HR 676
Only 27 pages. Read it and weep:
http://www.pnhp.org/nhibill/nhi_bill_final.pdf
http://www.hr676.org/
Sorry, but in this context, I have no idea what that means. The petition refers to "the strong version of health care reform moving through the Senate...," not a House bill. At least, that's what the email I got said.
Read it and weep because we will NEVER get HR 676.
if not, PLEASE don't put Kennedy's name on that Palin.
Sorry to cut down what sounds like a nice memorial but the bill should be named in honor of the American people not a Senator. People on the left may like Ted Kennedy, but many moderate Americans don't. This bill is not about him, people on the left, or any other person in government that the left loves, it is about all of us. Naming the bill after a controversial politician is likely to make it less popular with the mainstream and more likely to fail. It sounds trivial but that is just how politics works and that needs to be respected. Ted Kennedy obviously would understand this.
Whether the bill will honor his memory or not....
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