Talking to Schoolchildren? Okay When Uncle Ronnie Explained Why Low Taxes Were Key to Freedom!
While we all know facts haven't a damn thing to do with the manufactured outrage about that Communist Negro in the White House talking to our poor defenseless children, this might put matters into perspective for the rest of us.
From Media Matters:
On November 14, 1988, Reagan addressed and took questions from students from four area middle schools in the Old Executive Office Building. According to press secretary Marvin Fitzwater, the speech was broadcast live and rebroadcast by C-Span, and Instructional Television Network fed the program “t o schools nationwide on three different days.” Much of Reagan’s speech that day covered the American “vision of self-government” and the need “to keep faith with the unfinished vision of the greatness and wonder of America” but in the middle of the speech, the president went off on a tangent about the importance of low taxes:
Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.
I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.
Oh. My. God. Now I understand. Reagan indoctrinated all those schoolchildren, and they grew up to be... tea baggers!
During the question-and-answer portion of the event, Reagan returned to the topic, this time telling the students that lowering taxes increases revenue:
Q My name is Cam Fitzie and I'm from St. Agnes School in Alexandria, Virginia. I was wondering if you think that it is possible to decrease the national debt without raising the taxes of the public?
PRESIDENT REAGAN: I do. That's a big argument that's going on in government and I definitely believe it is because one of the principle reasons that we were able to get the economy back on track and create those new jobs and all was we cut the taxes, we reduced them. Because you see, the taxes can be such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper and to earn more and so forth because they have to give so much to the government. And what we have found is that at the lower rates the government gets more revenue, there are more people paying taxes because there are more people with jobs and there are more people willing to earn more money because they get to keep a bigger share of it, so today, we're getting more revenue at the lower rates than we were at the higher.
And do you know something? I studied economics in college when I was young and I learned there about a man named Ibn Khaldun, who lived 1200 years ago in Egypt. And 1200 years ago he said, in the beginning of the empire, the rates were low, the tax rates were low, but the revenue was great. He said in the end of empire, when the empire was collapsing, the rates were great and the revenue was low.
The students probably didn’t know any better, but this is an idea that has been rejected by virtually every economist not named Larry Kudlow.
Spoke to the school children about NCLB and the RWNJ's had no probs.
And GHWB too
"I know that there are people who do not love their fellow
man, and I hate people like that! " ~ Tom Lehrer (1928 - )
and more of it is sticking than ought to be. Guess its the latent Racism. And not-so-latent.
Schools in a dilemma could simply show the President's address in their gym or multi-purpose-lunch room. Kids who wanted to opt-out can stay in class and do schoolwork, or sing, or color. Whatever. Those who want to hear the President can attend.
But I expect such a solution to the manufactured "problem" is just too easy.
decision is just too controversial to these thugs. So much better to just keep them out of school for the whole day, right?
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
If they don't attend the speech and flunk the test lower their grade point a full point.
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in a classroom in Florida I believe.
If I still had my kids in school it wouldn't bother me a wit to have him encourage the kids to stay in school and to take advantage of the resources they've been given and to listen to their teachers and to be respectful etc.
My oldest dropped out of high school and regrets it to this day.
Parents need all the help they can get, IMHO.
"The US has an army of 90,000 soldiers in Afghanistan and is spending $100bn a year, but has still been unable to defeat 20,000-25,000 Taliban who receive no pay at all." - Patrick Cockburn
...get their chance to talk to the schoolkids and read my pet goat or teach them how to spell potatoe...Obama's very own "a thousand points of light speech"
...perhaps ABC will do the broadcast since they have an (already set up) "studio" in the white house...
...or is this a special little talk? ...for only the childrens ears?
Obama's little speech is fine by me...as long as (we adults can watch it at home on t.v. at the same time)
I trust Obama and everything... but I don't think we should leave him alone with the kids for too long...It's not really his job anyway...Obama needs to focus on his job. ...and he wasnt elected to be a teacher.
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
kicks are for trids!
It's a 15 minute speech with optional, stress optional, materials designed by teachers.
p.s. it's simulcast on CSPAN and available on DVD.
Aww $hit, I didn't spot the troll under the bridge!
The President of the United States is a Black man. No, really, he is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2fRSQ4L-SI
Jeebus Crow. Grow up, America. We have come too far for this bullshit!
And when all this is over, he'll still be the president. And he'll still be black. Get over it, rednecks.
I'm worried about it. Now that the death panels seem kaput, he might be putting these kids up to shoving ole Grandma down a flight of stairs when her back is turned. It's a sinister plot.
pull their grandchildren out of school to avoid "Marxist indocrination" about how doing your homework, showing up to school, and getting good grades is important.
No wonder we have so many idiots in America, they were probably kept home from school by their idiot elders... *sigh*
I've never seen change without a fire
That's probably why I always prefered willows.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Indeed.
My mind has been wandering, and I remembered how I wasn't allowed to stay home from school for just anything; when Cesar Chavez passed away, I was in elementary school, and would have liked to have gone to the funeral, as it was here in town, but my parents, and especially my grandpaternal unit (the onetme UFW member), ironically, insisted I not skip school, going to school was the way to honor Chavez's memory, etc. My last conversation with Gramps was him telling me to work hard, now that I was starting my first year of college.
But I bet Grandpa was a secret Marxist, wanting me to excel in school and all that jazz... :P
Geeeeez, this country is going to hell in a handbasket...
Too bad there's no way to penalize these idiotic parents and grandparents for allowing their children to be truant over such stupid shit!
I've never seen change without a fire
In Wisconsin, state aid to schools is reflected in attendance statistics. If enough kids blow off school, then the aid to the district is cut!
There are LESSON PLANS! And worksheets! Obviously it is a socialist/communist/terrorist/Muslim/Kenyan/black power plot to INDOCTRINATE our children!
Will SOMEBODY think of the children?
Socialist/communist/terrorist/Muslim/Kenyan/black power plot to INDOCTRINATE our children to join the death panels so they can spread the H1N1 virus to elderly veterans.
The blue dogs and centrists have done their jobs well.
Looks as if Emanuel's recruiting of republicans to run on the democrat ticket is paying off for the republicans.
The Blue Dogs and Emanuel's centrists have destroy the relationship of the independent voters toward the democrat party just as their recruitment was for.
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... for Obama to fire Rahm.
IMHO.
"Parachutes are allowed in checked or carry-on baggage, but may not be worn in flight."
---Southwest Airlines
Obama is smart, so I have to assume he hired Emanuel because he felt he was the right man for the job. Why?
and your enemies closer"
That is not what that saying implies, at all.
It means that you are supposed to keep tabs on your enemies, and not waste your time checking on the loyalty of your friends... because friends by definition are loyal. It does not imply at all what most people tend to assume it means: giving access to your enemies. That leaves you vulnerable since they may get the upper hand on your a**, and thus it is a really stupid thing to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDBJ2ktSZpI
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
do you come up with this shit? LOL!
Free association
That I can afford.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Although your explanation of the term sounds like a combination of Machiavelli on court politics and Sun Tzu on The Art of War.
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
... that's exactly what I was going for! ;-P
And all done sans any gallicism, didn't feel like giving your fellow Texan more low hanging fruit for his perennial philippic harvest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbix4bXEhvA&fe...
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
Well played, well played...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy7PxFqKars&fe...
Great article from Media Matters but here's the difference. Reagan is and was a God. Obama as you put it is a "Negro Communist". This is so simple. Republicans/Conservatives have always attacked a Democratic President. But never with such vile and paranoia. Why? Not because he's a Democrat, because he's BLACK. This is racism. Well racism and stupidity. The dim bulbs called the extreme right will believe and do anything Dick's Army says.
is intended to be a factual statement
The pattern is clear. The whole republican party is sicko. They keep coming out of the woodwork - good. We don't need sickos burrowing into the legitimate government of the USA. I can't imagine a single person that isn't totally disappointed and ashamed of the Republicans, including Republicans themselves. This is the sickest bunch i've ever seen.
The poor bastards have blown every single chance to reverse their dismal fate, and become human being again. They have declined. This is certain proof that they are not worthy of consideration as a political party any more. The America i know will never trust the Republicans again, ever. The Republicans are dead men walking - they should get out and enjoy the rest of their miserable lives, and leave politics to politicians.
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Job well of destroying the American people toward voting for democrats in 2010..
Obama , Emanuel , blue dogs with the aid and support of the centrists have managed to destroy the work of Dean and democrat's which have been walking the streets door to door for getting votes for democrats.
Emanuel has destroy our party with his recruiting , funding and supporting of republicans and persons which lean to the right of the center to run on our democrat ticket....
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There is no shortage of people who still believe every word of craziness being spouted.
Believe it or not, there are still people down here where I'm from that don't want a black man talking to their kids. That's more what it's about than Socialism or Liberalism IMO. It falls along the same line as the townhall meetings. Masked racism.
WASHINGTON – Alarmed by Israeli plans to build new housing units in settlements and dimming prospects for American peace efforts, the Obama administration on Friday put out a rare and harsh public rebuke of its main Mideast ally.
The White House said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's settlement plans were "inconsistent" with commitments the Jewish state has made previously and harmful to U.S. attempts to lay the groundwork for a resumption in peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.
"United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued settlement expansion and we urge that it stop," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said in a statement. "We are working to create a climate in which negotiations can take place, and such actions make it harder to create such a climate."
is intended to be a factual statement
".....the president went off on a tangent about the importance of low taxes:"
THAT'S the reason the conservatives are so wing-nutty about taxes! President Reagan brainwashed them all way back then, and now that they're all grown up they are espousing the very same things, aren't they?
I'm really worried about where our country is headed when the POTUS can't even give a speech about working hard in school without being accused of having an ulterior motive! The GOP has lost ALL of their common sense and I pity the people that actually believe all their lies.
I'm not sure I can take another 3 1/2 years of listening to them gripe about every single thing this president is trying to do and I can't help but think that if he was 100% white, we wouldn't even be having this - and all the other - disgusting discussions the GOP has come up with!
I teach high school and had planned to show my students the speech. This is the text of the email I got from our county office:
Most of you are probably aware that President Obama is to make a speech to all school children on Sept 8, 2009. We have received many phone calls at central services regarding this address. We are asking that you use the following procedures at each school when and if the address is shown to your students:
1. Do not show the video when it is aired live on Sept. 8th. Classes will have the ability to show a recorded version at a later date allowing time for procedures described below to be put in place.
2. Principals must approve any showing of the presidential address. Approval should be given when it can be appropriately applied to our curriculum.
3. You are being provided an opt out form to send home with students who are in classrooms where approval has been given to show the address. That form is attached. Please copy as needed. Please don't forget to update your school name in the upper right hand corner. Parents should send this form back if they do not want their children to view the speech.
Please contact me if you should have any questions.
(name deleted)
Assistant Superintendent
Human Resource Services
Beaufort County Schools
I promise you I will not show my students a tape of his speech and probably will not ever show them ANYTHING presented live again. But we WILL talk about it in my Minority Studies class.
You have to be kidding!
"Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob"
-= Franklin Delano Roosevelt =-
Not kidding.....my principal didn't like it either but what can he do?
That this is required for kids to watch THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES give a speech is beyond belief. What fcuking country are we living in?
It's absolutely ridiculous. I'm assuming you're in either North or South Carolina (Beaufort County); I'm in Tennessee, just outside Nashville. I had to sign a permission slip to allow my 7th grade daughter to watch the address. She said many of her friends are not going to be allowed to watch; their parents refused.
If this were Bush, Reagan, heck, even Clinton, I can't imagine that parents would have to give permission. An address by the POTUS would be a special event. Instead, we have this stupidity.
I really thought things would get better with Obama as president, but thanks to the racist crazies out there, they're getting worse. It infuriates me.
PhD's flipping burgers and so forth . .
dismal (flipping burgers) consider the prospects for people who won't roll up their sleeves for the under tested 'swine/novel' flu vaccine (refuseniks) who seem destined to be shoved into government run flu camps. But, in case you have missed it, here's the sample of Iowa's plans to round up people per guidance from CDC.
The Iowa Department of Public Health (Department) has determined that you have had contact with a person with Novel Influenza A H1N1. Novel Influenza A H1N1 is a disease which is spread from person to person and is associated fever (greater than 100.0 F), cough, sore throat, rhinorrhea (runny nose), nasal congestion, body aches, headache, chills and fatigue. Novel Influenza A H1N1 presents a risk of serious harm to public health and if it spreads in the community severe public health consequences may result.
The Department has determined that it is necessary to quarantine your movement to a specific facility to prevent further spread of this disease. The Department has determined that quarantine in your home and other less restrictive alternatives are not acceptable because [insert the reason home quarantine is not acceptable, the person violated a previously issued home quarantine order, the person does not have an appropriate home setting conducive to home quarantine, etc.] The Department is therefore ordering you to comply with the following provisions during the entire period of quarantine:
1. Terms of confinement. You are ordered to remain at the quarantine facility, _____________________ [insert name and address of facility], from ___________ to ____________ [insert dates of quarantine].
http://www2a.cdc.gov/phlp/docs/Facility%20Qua...
6. Violations of order. If you fail to comply with this Quarantine Order you may be ordered to be quarantined in a more restrictive facility. In addition, failure to comply with this order is a simple misdemeanor for which you may be arrested, fined, and imprisoned.
7. Your rights B appeal rights. While under quarantine you have the rights as described in subrule 1.9(8) of Attachment B. In addition, you have the right to appeal this order pursuant to subrule 1.9(7) of Attachment B.
DES MOINES, Iowa - Iowa public health officials are trying to alert the public that there is no truth to an Internet rumor that the state has instituted a quarantine for the H1N1 flu is untrue.
Polly Carver-Kimm, spokeswoman for the Iowa Department of Public Health, said a reporter from Kentucky called the department Monday, asking about something called the "facility quarantine order."
Carver-Kimm says several other people later called, saying they had also received an e-mailed copy of the order, which reportedly says quarantine in a specific facility is required for people exposed to swine flu.
Carver-Kimm says isolation and quarantine are rarely used -- and only in very specific situations. She says Iowa has not issued any isolation and quarantine orders and has no plans to issue any this fall.
Chicago Tribune
The Progressive Caucus should have their own Tennis Court Oath during the scheduled Joint-Session of Congress.
is so full of hypocrites. I was watching CNN and they were doing a story about the tea party express. There was a rally somewhere and all I could think was geeze these people are going to start singing the horst wessel song.
They are so concerned about obama turning your country "socialist" that they have no idea how facist they make themselves look. Josef gobbels would just love the tea party express
They may have gotten older but I submit that their intellectual development was severely arrested!
Obama will explain to the little children, why teen unemployment is over 25% and why he bailed out all the rich people, but they have to wait for the trickle down effects?
get their Novel Influenza A H1N1 vaccinations no doubt.
was the protective barrier between mob rule and minority rights, especially in the Civil Rights area.
It still does, but by slight of hand, smoke and mirrors, the protected minority has become the Super Rich, the upper 10 percent who own 90 plus percent of the Country's wealth.
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The antics of the upper classes affect you only if you are stupid enough to believe you can be one of them. It's same stupid that causes poor people to vote down taxes on the upper classes. These people believe they will nail the Power Ball on the State Lotteries. The upper classes have won when they get poor people to either not bother to vote, or worse, to vote against their own interests. Jeebus Crow!
Sure makes for a spectacular meme when Obama wants to chat with school kids and try to inspire them. To continue to aspire to be all they can and be cognizant of their responsibilities as citizens. The Nut-o-sphere goes whack-job and there is more free press spent on a non-subject than almost anything else....insane....
Let the good times for the whack-o-sphere roll. Bad texas whiskey will work it's way to the stupidest among these fools and someone will get killed..time for a holiday...
(It's OK When A Republican Does It)
I have a feeling I'll be quoting this line from Rachel Maddow quite a bit for the next few years.
Hypocrite and Republican have become synonyms.
The school board prez and super decided pretty quickly to shut the door on this. Can't have a bunch of pinko commie crap going down right before the big tea party next weekend because Tucker Carlson and Breitbart are coming to our little town. At least their tinfoil hat paranoia is kinda funny.
http://www.quincynews.org/local-news/school-d...
"every cloud is silver liney"
It's time for progressives to start getting "outraged" over things.
I'm going to start raising hell with anyone that advertises on Fox along with emails and phone calls to members of congress. I'm outraged at everything that anyone on the right says or does.
The complete Corporate Takeover of the United States
All performed under the smokescreen of MTV and Easy Credit.
...the smokescreen now.
...same takeover, new smoke.
audit-prosecute-incarcerate
Give him time, dammit! He's playin chess! He's sooooo smart (how smart is he?)...he's soooo smart, he KNOWS what he's doing, and it's all a giant Rethuglican conspiracy! You know, the fact that he supports almost all Rethuglican legislation, but when it comes to liberals and progressives, it's the finger.../snark
Besides, if he keeps going the way he is, he can kiss 2012 goodbye unless he gets himself a new base. Might as well start young cuz his base that got him elected is going to tell him where to go eventually. Even the diehards.
you're totally tapped in to what he's really thinking. Ah, the McDonald's mentality. Fix it as I drive through.
These f*%#n hypocrites will say anything; it's not like they think about it. Thinking is not an activity Repuke's like to pursue, who knows where it might lead. So much easier to stay stupid and mouth the talking points provided for them.
But for the most part of the Repuke base it is a matter of not being able to scream out the N-word, so this kind of shit will have to do.
Between Reagan and Obama. Namely skin color. Some people just don't want a black man telling their white kids what to do. If this was a speech only to black kids nobody would blink.
they'd bitch about that, too. There are also much bigger differences between Reagan and Obama, Reagan was an uber-moron. Reagan talked alot about religion, but didn't go to church, however, they both smoke (d).
But Reagan is the do no wrong patron saint of stupid conservatives. Reagan could shoot a baby in the face with a .454 casull live on national TV and these morons would be 100% ok with it. While Obama could be reading Green Eggs and Ham at a daycare and they'd still find something to piss and moan about.
Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
- John Stewart Mill
is requiring students to get permission slips signed in order to watch our President speak live- - to them--. Anyway you look at it, it's RACISM. Teachers where is your outrage?
We have a gigantic deficit because uncle Ronnie gave the rich tax breaks. I want them to start paying their fair share and my gut tells me a lot of them are willing to. Are country is going down the tubes and the lack of revenue coming in from that source is astounding.
Jeanne
I never had to worry about my child being influenced by a politician. She understood and still understands that they're all psycho/sociopaths.
How many more examples of vile right-wing crap do WE need to experience before we all realize that the LAST THING we can afford, as Americans, as Democrats, as Progressives, is for the Republican party to
either get power back outright or make enough inroads to be able to control legislation.
Yes, I'm saying that no matter what happens with health care, we are going to have to STAND UP and
ask ourselves if we are going to help the Republicans. Because pouting and being petulant - even if understandable - and staying home in 2010 and not working in districts where Republicans stand a chance is the WRONG THING to do.
This is my personal challenge to all of us....
that will teach em. That would be playing right into their hands.
what the 'pubs want us to do. They were stymied by the sheer number of voters who cast their support for the Democratic party. Made it impossible to rig the election. We CANNOT let up . . . EVER!
I remember when conservaturds used to argue Clenis's blow-job was setting a bad example for their children.
I said, "Are you kidding, the guy's in his fifties. They would react like they would to the idea that their parents have sex, 'Ooh...YECCCH!!!'"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo
Diabolus est Deus Inversus
It doesn't matter what Obama does they're always going to be against it. Here he is, coming out to encourage them to stay in school and get a good education and work hard and these asshats are against it and pull their kids out of school. Apparently they're in favor of slacking off and cutting classes. Must be a natural consequence of continually dumbing down the standards.
Could be the real issue is that they are terrified that Obama might seem to be a reasonable, likable, well spoken individual and that would confuse the issue and tarnish the demonic, white hating image these parents have spent all this time developing in their little snowflakes. One can only imagine the vile racial hatred poison that has been spread in the homes of the parents where Fox is considered news and the president is considered a Socialist Kenyan Communist Fascist Nazi. The kids might start to see how FOS their parents are and might even start thinking for themselves which could be really dangerous.
Let's see how far to the right they go before they fall off of the edge of this flat world.
You see, no one knows their child like a good parent. I would not have been concerned if Jr. wanted to read her "My Pet Goat", but then we started talking politics when she was about 6. She can spot political BS from a mile away.
On the other hand, if you know your child is more of a follower, easily malleable, and maybe not the brightest bulb in the pack..... well, I guess you just can't be too careful. (Apple doesn't fall too far from the tree, don't you know)
the parents are afraid that little Johnny will not be able to understand an articulate, intelligent person speak......it' not something the kid sees or hears in his own environment....and when little JOhnny comes home from school, and the parents ask, "What did the President say?", little Johnny will say, "I don't know what he said, I couldn't understand him at all.......he didn't talk like that Palin (hurts my brain to type that name) woman from Alaska. That's why they are afraid!!...........:)
Meanwhile...which president signed into law the biggest real, adjusted for inflation, tax increase measured properly as a percentage of GDP of at least the last 41 years?
Why...Ronald Reagan, of course.
http://www.factcheck.org/treasury_tax_expert_...
"The single best measure for most purposes is probably the revenue effect as a percentage of GDP." That's Gross Domestic Product, the way we gauge the size of the economy. Clinton's tax increase isn't the biggest by that "best" measure, either. In the period since 1968, the study said, "the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 was the biggest increase." That was the tax increase signed by Ronald Reagan, rescinding some of the effects of his huge tax cut passed the year before.
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