U.S. Outsources 22,000 Green Technology Jobs to India
By Susie Madrak Tuesday May 05, 2009 12:00pmVia Sirota, this is just depressing. I don't see how green jobs can revitalize the economy if they don't stay here:
The US firms have offshored 22,000 green technology jobs to India since January 1, 2009, Doug Brown, co-author of the influential 2009 Green Outsourcing Report, informed TNIE.
“We see the (green job offshoring) trend increasing as the US and the UK outsourcing buyers are seeking lower cost in labour and energy consumption. There are few suppliers who match credentials and outcomes of Indian firms,” he said.
The annual industry study by Brown-Wilson Group, which surveyed 4,000 global firms, was released last week.
The report lists Patni, HCL, WNS, Wipro, Mastech and Tech Mahindra among important Indian green vendors who are benefiting from the offshoring wave.
Among the non-Indian firms, Xerox, Accenture, IBM Global, CSC, Capgemini, Oracle, HP/ ED S, Aramark, SITEL and Perot lead the list.
As most of these firms run large delivery centres in India, the boom in their green offshoring business is expected to further create jobs in India.
Noting an interesting irony, the authors of the report say, “In the US, green stimulus plan is creating low-wage installation and construction jobs.” But, in India, which is usually associated with cheap and low-skill work, “…New green jobs include higher dollar engineers, strategic business management and support technicians charged with designing innovative environmental friendly solutions,” they add.
Green offshoring is creating demand for sustainability engineers, marketing and business development executives, data center management engineers, utilities and electric engineers and quality specialists in India, Brown informed TNIE.
Soaring energy cost and regulatory pressure have put pressure on firms in the US and Europe to embrace green technologies. Most of outsourcing buyers seek impeccable green credentials in their suppliers before handing over work, the report says.
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this is GOOD.
We ship those high priced jobs overseas...where they are performed at lower cost...which leads to more efficiency...and business passes those savings on to us...and we get that warm trickling feeling.
C'mon...St. Ronnie told us so.
Besides, we don't need to work in America. We're all INVESTORS. We will live on the bond interest and equity growth of our portfolios!!
Yes...yes...that's the ticket!
And tax cuts...massive tax cuts...so we can keep more those returns...and then spend them....so that we can trickle on ourselves!!
Don't you dare bad mouth st. ronnie, the prophet that foretold the coming of our lord and savior chimpy.
Wait! I can't pee on my own head!
Excellent, and funny; in a "that really sucks" kind of way.
Ain't it grand how well our corporate masters treat us.
I'm sure that was a major factor in the decisions of our corporatocracy.
Very creative!
What in the fuck?
Whose bright idea was THIS?
Who is in charge of passing out these contracts? Did Obama give the green light for this?
It was their intention all along. Once we bailed them out of course.
Absolutely NOTHING.
did anyone think that green technology would be any different from any other technology as far as manufacturing is concerned? The lowest cost manufacturer wins so they're going to make it where the costs are lowest.
Brought to you by the American elite who's rotted itself from the inside out over the past 30-40 years since the early 1970s.
I don't see how green jobs can revitalize the economy
But we are vitalizing the economy...............................
of India.
heart...
soul...
empathy...
socially redeeming value...
internationl borders...
consciounse...
legal responsibility...
political sacred cows...
relatives who were recently laid off...
If you manage a project... you save money and cut corners: you get bonused. And if you like, you might get paid in EUROS or KRUGERRANDS.
So employing a dirt poor person in a third world country and elevating their standard of living has no socially redeeming value, heart, soul, empathy, etc?
to The Wizard of Oz...you do love to erect strawmen.
Union Carbide sure did care about Bhopal.
One could argue that the U.S. is looking rather third-world at this point.
while I drive home slurping on a latte to click around on the internet a bit, watch my plasma tv, getting HD satellite signal, etc. You get the picture... And I'm so very very average.
We're heading that direction, but we are far (far) from 3rd world.
but that's just you.
It takes a special kind, but we rest assured that no matter how low they have to go... there will never be a lack of rightwingers willing to go even lower.
Congratulations.
How is opening a factory and paying people to work there "right wing"?
How is it demagoguery to suggest that people are better off if they are paid more than they were before?
You all will have to explain these things to me.
You're right. Outsourcing all our high tech jobs will strengthen the middle class and make our country better. Thanks for clearing that up.
"over there." The problem is that in order to open factories "over there" we have to close the ones "over here."
However, it was misleading to create a green jobs initiative in the economic stimulus bill, then give a large portion of those jobs to another country. I sure hope this is a deal, in exchange for something that I can't think of would equally stimulate the American economy.
No! They are being exploited!
If you were dying of thirst and I offered you a gallon of water for $10,000 would you buy it, or drop dead? Doesn't mean its a good thing.
These corporate parasites are perpetrating and endorsing a feudal global society. Fuck them to hell.
Dear British and American Imperialistic Corporate Fascists:
Thank you so much for sending all your higher wage jobs to us. You are helping our economy just when exports to the west were starting to dry up. Instead of marching to the sea to make our own salt, we will now march to our cubicles to make your future solar cells. Thanks to the Obama administration for making this all possible. Having your former low wage slaves become your new higher wage masters? That's change I can believe in. Yes we can!
Sincerely,
The Mahatma
is this the Obama administration's fault? Please explain. I mean said companies have been doing this outsourcing for many years now. I await an explanation on how the current administration is to blame.
Please be specific.
Obama isn't to blame for outsourcing. That started decades ago. But since this is a well known problem, why didn't he include language to prohibit this behavior as a prerequisite to receiving green-jobs stimulus money?
Could he have insisted on that language when Congress was making the bill? Yes he could.
Admittedly, he had no choice but to sign the bill once the completed bill was sent to him. Our economy was in peril and that was emergency legislation. But not asking for it in the initial proposal was an opportunity lost.
You said the Obama administration made all this possible.....now you say it's not true. Yes, he could do things differently, but you're blaming him for stuff from the last eight years when he's beenin office than 4 months, and that's where you lose ALL credibility. I'm not defending Obama, but I am sick of people screeching about how the man is to blame for all that's wrong with the world. But thanks for answering.
As the original poster seems to be completely ignorant about the reasons and MO behind the salt protests in India.
and skipping 40 years of corporate policy.
Obama was barely born when this crap started.
please take your coded hate elsewhere.
That we do not recognize the social impact of joblessness in our nation does not make any sense. Sending jobs to India, duh!!! Those jobs are needed here not in no f@*$ing India for crying out loud.
disagree.
Americans need to go over to India and wade through some of the slums and then complain to them about "takin' mah jerbs!"
they shouldn't just pick themselves up by their bootstaps?
With all of these trade deals, there are really only 2 options: we enforce fair trade rules and bring their standard of living up or we ignore fair trade and bring our standard of living down.
If the "lowest bidder" allows sub-reasonable living conditions, child labor, indentured servitude, and rampant pollution then you can be sure it's headed our way as well. This is, and has always been, the goal behind "globalization".
In essence, they've killed us, fed us to the wolves and we now await vultures to pick the bones clean...
The only saving grace is that the 'elite' will be the last to go and they will suffer unbearably. Oh... that and they are too stupid/greedy to see it coming...
-ek
Did you work for the company that tried to market "New Coke?"
It sounds you are trying to market "New Feudalism" now with more electrolytes. What is next telling us that we should not complain about the quality of health care because people in Rhodesia have it worse?
You must be one of those "compassionate" conservatives, eh?
It's totally amazing how you can have an opinion on a subject while simultaneously having no idea what you're talking about. How do you do it?
I mean, with your credentials... like... hum... right?
I have to disagree with you Wheyghey. With unemployment at near all time highs and going, any move toward outsourcing should be met with stiff opposition. The same old tired Mexican ‘they do the jobs nobody else wants to do”. That just won’t fly not with so many people out of work right here at home. I don’t blame the poor in other countries for wanting them. I blame the people sending them away from the American people who need jobs so desperately.
according to Wheyghey everything is just wonderful here in the U.S., at least for him.
Why don't you suggest to your boss to outsource your own job? I also suggest you wade through some of the slums in America.
liberalNmoderation,
do you see a theme yet? this is ongoing. corporations are going to turn america into a giant fast food restaurant with fast food wages.
america as a producer is over and Obama is going to make the medicine from the corporatistas go down smooth
Would you like fries with that?
Can you buy a new SUV with fast food wages? Nope.
How about a new iMac? Probably not.
Know who makes shit like that? Corporations. They don't want you broke. They want you rich enough to buy their shit so they can be rich.
Can you buy a new SUV with fast food wages?
You can when they have 72 month payment options
is by far the funniest thing I've read today.
In case you haven't noticed, nobody is bying "shit like that."
Why, because the rich fuckers and corporate fascists have all the money!
Perhaps if the US had not been in global warming denial for the last so many years, we could have trained engineers here who could do what the engineers in India are trained to do now. Sounds like we are behind the curve.
There is irony at every turn.
We outsource the jobs but not the environmental concerns.
It is part and parcel of the global economy where world trade pacts and organizations do not allow recognition of local environmental or labor concerns.
India may have the engineers and the like employed but the Fat Cats will be trashing their environment.
Maybe our environment will be better protected (maybe not) but we have lost the better jobs.
When we are all working for the same peanuts and ingesting the same poison, we will all be just as dead.
when you think about it makes sence, americans are used to eating the crap politicians and corporations shove down thier gullets! when better products are made , india and china will make them!
I think it makes sense too. The average Indian worker has a lower carbon footprint than the average American worker, so it makes the green stuff they are making even greener.
By not working, we Americans are helping the environment.
oh shades of ragun, cardboard box manshions and under the bridges condos for the working class , why am i not surprised by anything that government does to the herds?
that melamine-laced petfood was some awesome stuff.
http://www.who-sucks.com/business/made-in-chi...
Check out the above for how wonderfully those Chinese products work.
Untili you've had a cyproflaxin enhanced fish fillet, you haven't eaten. Mmmmmmmm!
how long is america going to put up with this?
how about a new political party?
work to ensure no blue dog democrats are re-elected.
get specter out of the democratic party
america is becoming so corrupt that all well may be lost soon
they'll get to it during the next commercial.
Ah, so when Obama said that we'd create 5 million "green jobs," he meant overseas.
CHANGE IS A-COMIN' !!!!!
right wing nut jobs complain irrespective of the policy. I remember the Stimulus Bill had an American only clause that was stripped out by the Rethugs in the Senate (lead by McCain if my memory serves me correctly) because it was deemed "protectionist"? We have the Rethugs complaining that we are meddling in the banks, and automotive industry and then complaining that we aren't meddling in this industry.
Could you fuckers pick a complaint and stick with it?! The fucking hypocrisy is getting old.
it is what i said all along , i feel vindicated as i allways stated were screwed, im waiting for thoes party faithful to alibi this one as they usualy do, your best hope is being able to swing a job at burger king , or the military, good luck in your new position of flipping burgers !
I prefer flipping the finger. To politicians and corporations of course.
These companies should not be considered America companies. They should be charged high tarrifs on any and all goods and services they send back to America.
Really whats the difference? They cheat on their share of the taxes and the wages the enviroment, working conditions.
What slime!
subject to study. It is difficult to get into a good program and the failure rate is high. It is not terribly well paid compared to other careers available to people with the necessary skills to master it. This is not true in India where it is very highly regarded as a profession and where, in real terms, it is very well paid. Now it is certainly possible to raise trade barriers to try and keep manufacturing jobs in the US but how do you propose to stop other countries from thinking and developing new and patentable technologies? Engineering school anyone? (I'll lend you my textbooks.)
Unfortunately, we are a rather ADHD nation. Couple that with the Repubs active attempt to destroy public education and make it more difficult to fund a college education and of course then there's always their meme of "you don't need no stinkin' education," and I think that would make it even more difficult to find students that would have the patience, tenacity and money to tackle a very difficult major.
they are turning us into great britain!
Most people use the excuse that "the educational system is broken" which it is hogwash.
American kids are too f*cking lazy, period. When I got my PhD, I was literally the only American citizen in my lab. Kids from all over the world had made untold sacrifices and were putting some serious labor so that they could come over HERE. Where we have some of the top research institutions in the world.
The same institutions are literally a couple of miles away from the same lazy ass American kids. I have no sympathy after having interacted with people who had to come half way across the world to go to the same school that is available to the same petulant American kids, who are none too quickly to totally ignore the fact that they have in their backyards some of the top universities in the world.
As I said I am not about to shed a tear for the legion of Americans who are discovering a silly degree in psychology, and a worthless MBA are now kind of useless when competing in a more and more technified society.
I've got a daughter that wants to be Stephanie Meyer and a son that wants to be a musician.
I don't know who Stephanie Meyer is but as for being a musician, it depends.
If you are Leopold Mozart and your son is named Wolfgang, then I feel maybe a little sorry for the lost humanity.
Greatness can take its toll.
But in two hundred years the toll will be forgotten.
Unfortunately we have a winner take all society and 2nd place doesn't count for so much as in other cultures.
Even more unfortunately we live in a society that denigrates art. It is acceptable to teach art but actually doing it is another matter entirely.
Stephanie Meyer is the author of the "Twilight" series that features cool vampires that don't hunt humans. They are basically romance novels, teen-age girls and grown women love them.
My son attends the performing arts high school and is a jazz major, he's a cool kid. We support him wholeheartedly, but for the reasons you've outlined above are concerned about his future.
I care nothing for fictional vampires, even cool ones, we have more than enough invidious ones, so to speak, in the 'Financial Services' sector.
I know music better than anything. If your son gets up two hours early and practices before school, practices at lunch time, before dinner, after dinner and then stays up late to practice, then he has been called by the Muse and there is nothing you can do.
Passion such as that should suffice for some sort of success, in music, in art, but it is measured different ways and making a living is not necessarily one.
Otherwise you should tell him that his chances of making a living are somewhere between slim and none.
Those in higher education will take your money to tell and show him what they can, but they will not tell him that, it is contrary to their vested self interest.
There is the great pitfall of the higher educational system we have allowed to develop. It is self serving, but then that is human nature.
That is why, as noted elsewhere, we have turned out hordes of MBAs and dwindling numbers of Engineers.
It sounds like you took advantage of the resources that were provided you and ran with it (good for you). But to take your own experience and assume that everyone has the same opportunities is a bit myopic (and a bit cruel). I will not argue that many American parents and their offsprings are some of the laziest SOBs on the planet, but to give the sorry state of our educational system a pass is irresponsible.
My daughter is in a 10/10 public school in one of the highest ranked states in the nation (Washington State). I had the wonderful opportunity to be a class parent (fancy way of saying "teacher's slave") for her math class. The math teacher could not do the work, and had zero remorse for her lack of skills. I ended up teaching the kids while she took one of her frequent "long breaks".
The facilities at this school are sub par in my opinion and there are not enough books or equipment to go around (none of the children are allowed to take their books home).
I don't tell this story to abuse teacher or the school system, but after my "day" (first of many) I began to wonder - "if this is one of the best, what the hell do the rest look like." That lovely young girl from South Carolina answered my question rather vividly....
and until people actually sit in a classroom they have no idea. My husband is a high school special ed teacher and I held a substitute teacher's license while I was going to nursing school. I was appalled at what passed for lesson plans in some classes. There are some very good, dedicated teachers and there are some very mediocre teachers, it's a mixed bag. Education in the U.S. has been a redheaded (I'm a redhead) step-child for many years now and it shows. The Repubs have tried their best to turn this in to a nation of idiots.
The rag-ass piece of shit that they call a newspaper here in Vegas has an editorial writer that regularly craps all over anyone that receives a government paycheck, especially teachers and then everyone acts astounded when they don't ever have enough teachers to start the school year. When did it become o.k. to insult public servants of any stripe? I try not to spend my time hating, I really don't even enjoy lawyer jokes.
Question - are you the Tyler Durden of the so described pseudonymity here. Or another?
Thank you!
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I would point out that you are mixing your message somewhat.
On the one hand you say:
1) that American kids are lazy and I suspect you would easily find adequate example of that. Unfortunately this is built into the consumer culture courtesy of the television et al.
But on the other hand you say:
2) that Americans have pursued silly degrees in Psychology or Business Administration.
A culture does requires various disciplines. However that there are probably more MBAs than are needed or desirable seems to be manifest. The other side of the coin of the consumer mentality perhaps, get rich quick.
Unfortunately for us it has been Finance über alles. Now the piper must be paid.
I think I am correct to say that in Michigan higher education is getting to be very much less affordable for those of modest means, whatever other consideration there might be.
What has been seriously undervalued is trade schools. Not everyone is or should be destined for a University.
Engineering indeed. Graduate school of Civil and Environmental Engineering for me. It is a challenge, but it is very interesting too!
I would highly recommend it for anyone with the inkling.
Until people get over the fact that corporations do not care about people they will never understand why their jobs are outsourced. Mine was, but I don't care that some person that can barely speak English and gets paid a fraction of what I did has my job. I just move on to something different. Outsourcing will come back to bite American companies in the long run.
You may starve before that happens.
It already has. Thats why we bailed them out.
Now thats freakin' ironic.
The problem we have today is called free trade!
I have lived long enough to know that nothing is free and very little is fair!
But if we as a world are going to continue on much longer we have got to start to think about being fair instead of just greedy.
were a Southern Cal bail out bank doesn't want to pay daily fines for not keeping up their properties so they are demolishing brand new homes sitting empty? And the taxpayers will pay for it?
Why is outsourcing so shocking I mean come on already.
BIG TIME. And we're only 40% into the damage total.
So long future. I never knew you, but I wanted to. Hello retail. Stop pissing on my leg.
“In the US, green stimulus plan is creating low-wage installation and construction jobs.”
We are still so fucked.
how this is not a race to the bottom?
Poverty by design, brought to you by the corporate paradigm. Simply the re-invention of the feudal system. All this recovery nonsense is for talking heads. In the real world, the destruction of society in the US goes unabated.
Why am I not surprised?
And nearly half the country will get pissed if try to change it!
Why, because Jesus hates gay people, but loves the little fetuses'.
I recently made a decision to leave one of the companies on the list which is one of the largest consulting firms in the world. This is not the sole reason for my decision to leave, but it did play some part as growing demand was being placed on American workers to do more with less resources here in the U.S. Regardless of the performance and quality of work produced from India, management was fixated to have a percentage of the overall work done in India. It is not surprising to see them on the list.
The more this shit changes, the more it stays the same. I hate this shit. What great promises were made and this crap comes along. Fuck it!
This will be the Asian century, so get used to it. The infrastructure is in place and people are happy to move up to a job that pays $5,000 a year, in many countries. In places like Thailand, that makes you very middle class, maybe even upper middle.
Here in Korea, the average is about $16,000 a year, and almost everyone goes to university. Kids study 14 hours a day in high school to get into the best ones they can. There is no safetly net, so parents force their kids to bust their asses. How can N. America (Canada included) compete?
Obama is making noise about going after off shore tax shelter companies and yet the USA is going to outsource jobs? Somewhere in there, I am thinking, something is not right with this picture
When you see a politician talking, assume he is lying.
They lie when the truth would serve them better.
Yea I know pretty STIMULATING huh? Some things never change. Anybody see my shovel?
The USofA is not outsourcing jobs, businesses are.
Trans-national corporations are.
Assignment: watch the original "Rollerball" for a glimpse of the future.
multinational corporations?
with emphasis in "multinational"
When people in Michigan say we need a new industry to replace the automotive sector, I just laugh.
I ask them, do you think if we created a wonderful new product, that the corporate bastards wouldn't out source that too? Come on!
Until they "punish" these companies for offshoring, nothing is going to change. Nothing.
If this outsourcing is not curtailed Health Care is impossible to provide.
Which is more important? Working tax payers or an unfunded health care plan?
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