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DNC Spokesperson Chews Up Her RNC <i>Counterpart</i>

Hardball-London-DNC3 Since the failed car bomb plot was uncovered in London the cable news networks have gone wall to wall terror. "Hardball" host, Chris Matthews brought in DNC Communications Director, Karen Finney to discuss the politics of terror with her counterpart from the RNC. Finney makes quick work of the RNC hack, slapping down her talking points about the Iraq war the second they spewed from her mouth. This is exactly how you deal with right wing spin and lies -- come armed with the truth and never back down.

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Major kudos to the DNC for hiring Finney, they could use a few more just like her.

John Amato: I usually like to wait a bit before I post anything about these attacks because the wall to wall coverage on teevee is so full of idiotic speculation. I found this quote quite interesting though:

Londoners seemed relatively unfazed by the news. People crowded onto buses and subway trains during the afternoon rush hour, shopping streets were busy and sidewalk cafes did brisk business.

"Sure, it's disturbing, and obviously it reminds everyone of 7/7," said Ian Hiskos, 32, eating at a cafe across the block from the police cordon on Haymarket. "I try not to think about these things."

That's not the attitude the bed-wetting wingnutosphere embraces or one Rudy can run on...



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Oooooo. Fristed.

sloppy seconds?

Yeah, she did do a good job, didn't she?

Republicans are cowards. Plain and simple.

Spanked!

Yeah, she did ok...But how can you screw this one up? The RNC woman was a sitting duck.

(Insert Cheney pun here)

Jonah Goldberg dreamily thinks about a better world, where the bombs would have gone off.

--WKW

this repig gal is cluelss , id wager she needs instructions on how to use her douchbag!

*high five* to Finney!

It's funny how the Brits are unfazed by this discovery today and like Logan pointed out, how funny it is that the ROM (republican owned media) is using it as a propaganda tool to increase the "terrorists are gonna get ya" rhetoric to keep the nation scared and paralyzed.

Luckily, many Americans are unfazed by the war/fearmongering and are more like Finney...rational.

What a breath of fresh air! Karen Finney was brilliant, she didn't back down, defame or resort to low blows, and she spoke eloquently about what is really happening in the world of terrorism. She didn't let her counterpart get away with a single lie misrepresentation. Hallelujah!

Finney did great. Also, very interesting post by JA. Perhaps one reason why the Brits are more level headed about these threats than Americans is because they (the Brits) don't have their political leaders fear-mongering about it 24/7. Just witness the all al Quaeda all the time speech by Bush earlier today.

Just maybe the Londoners are more aware that 'al C.I.A.-duh!' was behind the 'attacks'?

I mean, come on. They know that these things are a big publicity stunt, and no harm no foul. Wish my fellow countrymen could get on the same page. We might make some progress around here.

I anxiously await the announcement from the Republicans demanding we now shed one or more civil liberty to appease the potential bombers.

And by no harm no foul, I of course mean no one was blown the hell up, it was only meant to scare people up, so why get scared?

It's really pretty obvious.

Finney to go head to head with hannity. Sack colmes. Today.

Arrange for body bag in advance for hannity.

At last a decent democratic strategist.

No chance she'll be invited to the vermin channel.

Can we convince Ms. Finney to give lessons to more Democrats on how to stand up in a sensible, realistic way? She fights, but she fights fair. I want to see more of it from more of us.

Calm, level-headed responses, one after the other. Done.

That was sooooo good.

Why the hell did Tweety say the Republicans were the party running the country???

Ahhh, finally a woman that can kick some ass....and now maybe the DEMS- you know the ones already in DC representing us can take some lessons ....( I am sorry but they have not wowed me much after the '06 Elections...although Leahy etc have started Investigating.....BUT.....impeachment should NEVER have been "taken off the table")

the guy that was on Olbermann's show said that the "bombs" would have done nothing but ruin the nice interiors' of the cars. He said that it was set up by some yuppie bombers who couldn't put them together properly and probably should have saved some money they spent on the cars and spent it on bomb-making classes instead.

They also noted the timing of Brown's coming to office. Suspicious?

cbs news says in its online edition that a internet chat predicted the london attempted car bombing.
so,, with this news, its only going to draw more eyes from the goverment(s) asking for more info regarding email and internet accounts.

something tells me, it wont end at this either.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/29/terror/main2997517.shtml

oh about the London thing- terramongering is getting old- for everyone (esp London)....but Bushco will raise the terra alert SOMEHOW before he scoots off to Texas...

I like the blond chick but I could do either of them.

Maybe Ms. Miller couldn't remember.

Finney is 20X better than the Democratic presidential candidates!!! She's spot on with her rebuttals!!! No mincing about. These GOP talking heads need to be slapped down good.

The republican b**ch didn't do her homework and quoted the old talking points. She probably won't be on again. Tweety actually let Finney speak without talking over her. He must be trying to regain some credibility after AC.

Hannity has just interviewed Giuliani re the "sensational massive al qaeda terror plot in London".

Giuliani actually said re the July 7th attack "cameras caught those people on July 7th, I know because I was here".

This is amazing stupidity. The bombers were later caught on CCTV AFTER THE ATTACKS.

NOT BEFORE THE ATTACKS.

Honestly your country is well and truly flushed down the toilet when such stupidity is a Presidential candidate.

Does this not indicate that terrorism at home is more a matter of law enforcement than of military action? No military would have prevented this, had it actially gone off as an incendiary device rather that an explosive bomb.

Russ Mason UK @ 28:

Hannity has just interviewed Giuliani re the "sensational massive al qaeda terror plot in London".

Giuliani actually said re the July 7th attack "cameras caught those people on July 7th, I know because I was here".

This is amazing stupidity. The bombers were later caught on CCTV AFTER THE ATTACKS.

NOT BEFORE THE ATTACKS.

We that can think for ourselves know better than to listen to Giuliani.

Honestly your country is well and truly flushed down the toilet when such stupidity is a Presidential candidate.

you lost my dialogue.

So who were the Muslim dupes asked to park a couple o' Mercedes for a quick buck

Its ironic but the truth remains:we have nothing to fear but fear itself.
Republicans have been pushing fear for 6 years and have been so successful
that Dems have been afraid to aggressively challenge them on their "facts".
Ms Finney ably demonstrates that when they ARE fearlessly challenged,
they fold like a cheap deck of cards.Bravo.

Honestly your country is well and truly flushed down the toilet when such stupidity is a Presidential candidate.

russ UK

most folks know this,, but its the few ubber rich that simply keep the rest of the population so dumb that they believe ever damn thing that FAUX news can spit at them. america is going the way of aparthied and MCcarthyisum.

give it 5 yrs and its going to become another nazi germany.

"How do you stop young kids from becoming terrorists?"

Matthews makes it sound so complex, but it's really pretty simple. You build alliances with intelligence networks and police in foreign nations to disrupt existing cells, while dealing justly with the root issues that lead young people to make that choice - such as the ongoing occupations of Palestine and Iraq. We cannot allow multinational corporations and arms dealers to viciously exploit people and loot their resources without paying some kind of price for it.

9/11 was the horrible blowback of 50 years of bad foreign policy decisions in the Middle East. By making good decisions that benefit everyone (not just a greedy few) we can contain terrorism to manageable proportions.

OTOH, we can follow the Neocon blueprint and bomb Iran and watch violence and terror go right off the chart.

Tweety finally asked a great question. What do we do to stop young men from becoming trained as terrorists? RNC's Lisa was completely stumped... it really left me wondering if this is a topic the RNC doesn't even ponder! She had nothing to say except I'm not an expert. No Kidding!

The GOP is truly clueless about creating a long term strategy to deal with terrorism-- besides invading countries and alienating our allies, of course.

a mercedes isint a car of which folks would forget. Wait,, ok maybe in eruope . regardless, those cars didint come cheap and they still dont here in germany or in england.

something smells funny here. Oh and Russ UK,, there is a small minority of ppl in the states , that know what your talking about. Sadly its the ubber rich that make sure FAUX news , spits out its lies and ill informed stats.
I call those folks koolaid drinkers, of whom they wish the be lead by the nose.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I love it!

This is what I love about Dems! They hit the mark ahellofa lot more than repugs. She rocks. I have some reading to do.

Even Squeaky hit the mark on most of his points, well more than shitface.

repugs should quill that phony opened-mouth-surprised-look (OMSL is a dangerous disease, it's alway fatal after a long illness of ridicule and shame) when confronted with the truth.

repugs always put forth their best. HAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh yeah, that wasn't Ms. Finney's counterpart either.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Talk is cheap.

"It's been ineffective and you know it."

"We already know that it's not working Lisa"

Karen Finnery I love you!

tweety seems to be backing off his repig butt kissing ways lately. The rnc lady kept trying to insert a failed played out repig talking point. she will get fired the dnc lady was counter punching the rnc talking points like ali's rope a dope

Is Karen Finney smarter than a 5th-grader? Tune in to Hardball to find out!

Giuliani reminds me of Fire Marshall Bill.

Q: “How do you stop young kids from becoming terrorists?”
A: End the grip of religion on young, impressionable minds.

Invading and blowing up a nation won't cut it.

War4Sale you are so right. Squeaky, like all repugs, believe they are superior.

Why do they act like people like to blow themselves up? No message, no rhyrme nor reason. More Spy vs. Spy.

I agree, all "terrorist" come from Iran...I mean Iraq. Yeah right.

We are witnesses to the crazynization of America.

moniker @ 43:

Giuliani reminds me of Fire Marshall Bill.

Before or after he's burned to a crisp?

PWNED!
Finney even had Talking Points Barbie admitting she wasn't an expert on these things!
Awesome!

Is it just me or didn't Lisa Comooso Miller's mouth look just like Mary Matalin's? That clenched hooked jaw and those tiny teeth. Scarey. I thought for a minute they were doing one of those bad Leno bits. And what sort of name is that? Miller? Ug, how common.

Friar Tuck 37.

Thanks for the comments. I pay for Sky Subscription here in the UK - about $90 per month (Rupert Murdoch ownership) mainly for Sky Sports and the Football (soccer) coverage.

With this package comes Fox News channel 510 and it never ceases to amaze me!

I think somewhere deep inside me I have Sado Masochistic tendencies!

The whole of Fox news makes me sick to the stomach and yet night after night I tune into channel 510 and read the blogs here and at newshounds, think progress etc.

A final thought, meanwhile in London and elsewhere in the UK people are going about their daily business, travelling round London on the tube, buses etc totally unaffected by this latest attempt to bring carnage to our capital.

This spirit must go back to previous generations during world War 2 etc and the IRA threat during the 1970's and 1980's.

We Brits aren't easily intimidated!

Ooh, Karen Finney!

Suddenly I'm in love. Kick more GOP ass, baby. Easy targets? Should be. But we're not doing nearly enough of it.

"Tweety finally asked a great question."

I honestly think he just senses who is winning the argument and jumps on board.
Integrity hardly ever comes into play with these slugs.

Wow! Finney delivered straight talk and common sense. I don't think the RNC BIMBO even realized she was getting skewered.

Nice Job!

>>Major kudos to the DNC for hiring Finney, they could use a few more just like her.

Another thing to thank Howard Dean for.

I am an American living in London. This event was not such a big deal here. There was a report on the radio this morning that Piccadilly, Haymarket and Shaftsbury were closed and the tube was not running well. Then they went back to playing music. By evening rush, everything was cleared up and people went about their business. There was no mass hysteria, even from the media. I don't understand why the American media is blowing this out of proportion. BTw- by mid-afternoon everything was back to normal.

I do not share the enthusiasm that others have concerning Karen Finney. She states, quite correctly, that the U.S. presence is causing more terrorists to flock to Iraq but then inexplicably hastens to assure her Republican colleague that the U.S. will not, to use her word, withdraw precipitiously from Iraq. If she is using that word to indicate that the U.S. will not leave Iraq rapidly, then her statement is simply contradictory to what she previously said. If she admits that the U.S. military is inflaming the resistance fighters in Iraq, then the logical thing to do is to withdraw those troops as quickly as possible. As independent journalist Nir Rosen [who has spent much time in Iraq] has pointed out, if the U.S. were to finally leave Iraq, the resistance fighters would have nothing to resist against. Also, the last thing that al Qaeda wishes to have happen is for the U.S. to leave Iraq, since it is the U.S. presence in Iraq which serves as the best recruiting tool that al Qaeda could ever hope to have. Support the troops- bring them hope as quickly as possible-now.

Hello Russ UK
and anytime.

thankfully here in Germany,, as far as i know,, there is no faux news (fox)
as a yank living overseas, one gets the ill feeling that america is going to the dogs, be it news, or goverment wise.
id like to call it a new aparthied! If one looks at how it started and those that did enjoyed its rewards( the USA )
its history repeating.

BTW, have you been to york? thinking of a vaction there for a few days,, etc,, scarborugh, (sp).
or holland.

The blond REPUG finally DID answer Tweety's question about how to stop young people from becoming terrists.

Her solution is to "... go into those countries and show them how to live better lives."

Translation: "We OCCUPY their homelands, and FORCE them to be like us."

The Buahies are pathetic. All HAT... and NO HORSE! They don't have a CLUE on what to do about foriegn policy.

I Love how libs always win.
Especially when theres no contest.
[Yes. It really is no contest, me banning you. And we both get what we want from this. You see a 'lib' winning in a no-contest situation, and I don't have to deal with you any more-Sitemonitor]

Whooopeeee... Finney did okay.

It seems to be just me, while I thought that she held her own against the ditzy Republiclown, I was really underwhelmed.
No where did she call bullshit on the underlying, false premise the GOPerverts continue to spread.
That the war was wrong from the start.
Wrong.
That Iraq was not a threat, were not an enemy, and had not attacked us.
That is why things have gone so poorly in Iraq.
They did not want to be invaded by any country, but most especially not by a country they had not attacked.
That they do not want the occupiers there now, and although the Americans did certainly come in and break everything in the store, they do not want us guarding the rubble we created with rifles.
She barely talks about how there were not terrorists in Iraq before we attacked and invaded the country, they had nothing at all to do with 9/11 (and why is it that no one wants to ever discuss Saudi Arabia?), and that Hussein and Ossama Bin Forgotten were actually adversaries. She kind of alludes to how we are making it worse, but not in the most simple of all possible ways: Our occupation continues to inflame resentment against us by the people who did not ask to be invaded in the first place.
And this is just scratching the surface of the lies that go unchallenged daily, and while Finney did a good job of keeping an imbecile with a slow fifth grade mentality in check, how sad that anyone should be impressed by such an easy half-victory.

The bar really has been set extraordinarily low...

So, let's see if I understand this. The RNC communications saids that she's not an expert on security, but insists that she understands how to fight terrorism.

If I took that to the bank, I'd be arrested for a bad check.

I believe that Bush people were likely behind the London incident today, precisely to drum up support for his phony war on terror. The Democrats are reading this just riight, much ado about nothing.

Friar Tuck,

Watch out, this proves that the internet makes this a very small world!

I live in Hull, East Yorkshire. York is 35 miles away. Scarborough is 40 miles away and on the same local train line - that is trains on the hour every hour - journey time from Hull 1 and a half hours.

York is a beautiful place, The River Ouse runs through it, it has a Minster (truly spectacular when it's lit up at night) and a huge ancient wall built right around the city. The people are very friendly - the attractions go on and on too many to list.

Scarborough however is a seaside tourist attraction town with a lot of Amusement Arcades, Fish and Chip shops and Ice Cream parlours. Enough said.

Don't even bother coming to Hull! Unless of course you'd like to come and support my team HULL CITY - THE TIGERS! Hull is a dump. I'm allowed to say this as I actually live here.

The only real thing Hull is famous for (apart from the fact we are home to the former Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott) is the fact that William Wilberforce was once an MP from Hull.

You're all going for the head fake. The War on Terror is a hoax. This was just another synthetic event ginned up to sell more fear and repression. Terror is largely a homegrown commodity. What you're seeing is just another part of the Psy Op, with the media used as the witting or unwitting tool.

Yes Jay, that's what happens when you match wits with the witless. And Tweety and this RNC droid are about as witless as they come.

And, it's more than patently clear that Bush himself has created the whole problem with the Islamists in the first place, by invading Iraq. If we just pull completely out -- the sooner the better -- peace can return to the region.

Russ Mason UK @ 63:

Friar Tuck,

Watch out, this proves that the internet makes this a very small world!

I live in Hull, East Yorkshire. York is 35 miles away. Scarborough is 40 miles away and on the same local train line - that is trains on the hour every hour - journey time from Hull 1 and a half hours.

York is a beautiful place, The River Ouse runs through it, it has a Minster (truly spectacular when it's lit up at night) and a huge ancient wall built right around the city. The people are very friendly - the attractions go on and on too many to list.

Scarborough however is a seaside tourist attraction town with a lot of Amusement Arcades, Fish and Chip shops and Ice Cream parlours. Enough said.

Don't even bother coming to Hull! Unless of course you'd like to come and support my team HULL CITY - THE TIGERS! Hull is a dump. I'm allowed to say this as I actually live here.

The only real thing Hull is famous for (apart from the fact we are home to the former Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott) is the fact that William Wilberforce was once an MP from Hull.

Please stop. It's killing me to know that some are not down here in the rabbit hole with the rest of us. Oh, to be able to view this ridiculousness from afar!

Was this another phony bomb in London? Police defuse it on the spot, terrorist bought a Mercedes to blow it up? Terrorist gets away in a City that has a couple hundred thousand cameras pointed everywhere except where the terrorists hatch their plots...MI6, 10 downing, and the City of London.

Legalpad, I agree, this Global War on Terror is just a hoax, and the main stream media is in bed with the Bush Administration in pushing this just for ratings. This is truly sad.

I kind of wonder if Chris has a multiple personality problem. One day he has our favorite person Coulter on and then he does this.
Even so, he still lets the Conservative start the debate and the Liberal react. Chris is a waste of air time. If Keith wasn't on the whole MSNBC schedule would suck. What kind of people watch programs like Lockup and Predator Raw?

Pete, I think we have to keep in mind what it might be like to be on one of those shows, where you have just seconds to respond to an answer and get your point across before you are interrupted. Its like when I watch Jeopardy, and I totally kick ass, but if I had a chance to really be on it, I'd probably freeze up. Finney made a lot of great points. Of course she didn't say everything there is to be said about how screwed up everything about Iraq is, but all in all she did a great job.

I Thank you, Russ UK for your opinion and well wishes to you and yours too!!

Ill be sure to check out the places of which you mentioned to visit.
Be safe and god bless.

Ezzy, yes, it is simply too much of a coincidence that this happens right when Blair leaves. Blair is definitely behind the London incidents today. Think about it.

Tweety: how do you stop 5 yr olds from becoming terrorists?

A: Don't kill their parents.

Kudos to Karen Finney. That's the kind of consistent, truthful, direct answer that Dem consultants need to learn by heart.

1) We are for fighting terror
2) We are for doing it better than these assclowns
3) Effective policies don't start with shooting everything that moves.

etc.

The RNC bimbo ran out of talking points. And she looked like a fool.

But we should expect this kind of performance to become routine before we get too excited.

JT, you're absoultely right. We in the USA are creating the terrorists by the way we mistreat them. That's why the GOP spokeswoman couldn't say anything else. She knows who is really behind creating the terrorists; and everything else is a diversion.

I don't blame the terrorists one bit at this point; and the Democrats should quit joining in with the Republicans in saying that the terrorsts are all bad.

lafin, yep, no coincidence at all, especially with Wimbledon there at the same time -- for maximum TV exposure showing these made-up tereror plots to shore up Bush's popularity.

JT @ 75:

Tweety: how do you stop 5 yr olds from becoming terrorists?

A: Don't kill their parents.

Kudos to Karen Finney. That's the kind of consistent, truthful, direct answer that Dem consultants need to learn by heart.

1) We are for fighting terror
2) We are for doing it better than these assclowns
3) Effective policies don't start with shooting everything that moves.

etc.

The RNC bimbo ran out of talking points. And she looked like a fool.

But we should expect this kind of performance to become routine before we get too excited.

First, take away the reason they become terrorists by international diplomacy, and not trying to steal the rest of the worlds oil!

FunMe,
“It’s been ineffective and you know it.”

“We already know that it’s not working Lisa”

Karen Finney I love you!

Count me in on that fan-club as well, I loved the way she rubbed it in.

Sorry Ezzy and Bob at 73 and 74, but that is quite ridiculous.

Yes Blair WAS Bush's poodle Yes it's a terrible appointment to make him an envoy to the Middle East but for goodness sake to say Blair is behind this terror plot is stupidity beyond belief.

You two must be part of the 20% brigade that still believe the chimp in chief is doing a good job.

Tut tut from here in the UK.

Oh and don't forget Blair is lined up to do speeches in the USA to your reich wing for plenty plenty dollars.

Don't forget of course that politiclally here in the UK The Labour is traditionally left of centre.

To sum up briefly - Labour = new conservatives.

So Finney said a few times that the 'surge' and 'war' in Iraq are not working. So. She wasn't particularly winning-some or compelling, just stating the obvious.

It's been done before

UK agents 'did have role in IRA bomb atrocities'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,1869019,00.html

No. 82,

Blair needed to boost his resume as a new envoy to the ME.
Let me remind you, Blair was an accessory in the Downing Street Memo and the war.

If Blair should be tortured in GITMO, he will confess every evil practices. I repeat EVERY EVIL PRACTICES.

Matthews forgot the last election results in choosing RNC to speak 1st.
Democrats control the Legislative Branch and also "lead the country"
America is not a Dicktatorship by Divine Rule.
Republicans led us into Iraq Fiasco, Democrats leading us out.
Give Chris a heads-up on the 2006 Election results at hardball@msnbc.com

The entire right-wing agenda consists of two things: a) keeping this country at war constantly with no peace, and b). putting money into the pockets of the rich to the detriment of everyone else (this includes poor, middle class, and even the lower end of the upper class). The sooner the left wing can bring these facts to light, the sooner this country will begin to shun those policies. The problem is, you have two bases that will continually march along with them lockstep even though it is not to their advantage to do so. They are the nationalist "America needs to kick everyone's butt" people and the fanatic religious people. The majority of these two groups barely make enough money to survive and contribute a high percentage of our fighting force. It really amazes me that they actually support these policies.

There is absolutely no way this country can defend itself from a concerted terrorist attack. The best we can hope to do is to reduce the overall threat. I fail to see how blowing up hundreds of thousands of potential terrorists and their friends and families actually helps to achieve this goal. I mean seriously, in response to 9/11, our country has killed and maimed 100 times as many people as died in 9/11. How is this justified?

JayC

84 says "It's been done before". You are talking about the IRA, nothing to do with the terror plot in London today. Nice attempt at bait and switch.

85 I know Blair was the PM re Downing Street Memo. But to suggest he was "behind the attacks" is lunacy.

I am as disgusted with Blair as I am with your Shrub.

Matthews' last question was the nail in the RNC lady's coffin.
What was her argument?

You can't say our surge is a failure yet. "It's not September yet."

August 31st and Sep. 1st. should be made in to a holidays. Aug. 31 can be called "Lemming Precipice Day."
Sep. 1st will simply be called "GO."

I can hardly wait.

PEACE

jayc at 87.

Nice summary and spot on the money. Particularly with the "cannot be defended against a conserted effort" - as evidenced tody - Petrol nails etc - all freely available to purchase at any garage/ hardware store.

If there's a nutter or group of nutters prepared to take their own lives in order to maim and kill others, to put it bluntly THERE'S FUCK ALL CAN BE DONE TO STOP IT.

Take the events of 7th of July 2005 as evidence.

Russ:-- Ezzy and I are not wrong on this. Bush and Blair are definitely behind the latest phony terror incidents. First of all, they are phony, nothing happened. hmmm I wonder why. Second, who gains from this other than Bush, blair and their buddies. This is all to try to embarass the Democrats, but it won't work with smart people like Ezzy and me and millions of others pointing out what is really going on.

no country would ever stage an attack on itself by covert internal means to justify it's unpopular policies for the goal of power & greed...nope nope nope nope :/

92, but don't you see, there was NO attack.

I think Ms Finney did a decent job. Tweety, on the other hand, is no better than usual. Talking over people and getting all excited, and then stumbling not once, but twice on Ms Camuso-Miller's name. This guy is definitely second-tier or less, in my view. And over the years I have watched far better than him on "ABC's World News Now" in the middle of the night.

Have to agree with those who see this whole terrorist attack as fishy. Terrorist organizations do not spend this kind of change to make a car bomb. And they generally do not draw attention to themselves by driving wildly prior to the presumed explosion.

In nearly every case, these busted terrorist attacks always seem to be something a little different than what was initally presented. Wait till the rest of the story comes out and try to guess whose fingerprints are all over it, should be an interesting pastime. Within hours of the attack, news outlets were reporting Al Quaida responsible. That's interesting. What led them to that conclusion after only a few scant hours of information from one source?

This is getting Curiouser and Curiouser....

"Every major IRA bombing in England and Northern Ireland has had the fingerprints of the British government and the FRU all over it.

Starting from at least the 1980's, SAS and British military intelligence agents were routinely ordered to embed themselves within violent branches of the IRA and aid terrorists in carrying out attacks. How do we know this happened? Because one of the individuals who was ordered to do so, Kevin Fulton, blew the whistle on the fact that he was told he had the Prime Minister's blessing to aid terrorists in bomb making and political" assassinations.

kb, turns out "a little different". Try "a lot different". But unfortunately, it will be kept secret that Bush Blair and their buddies are the ones behind these phony terrorists incidents. I read somewhere that in Texas, near the Bush ranch, someone was investigating that the Government itself staging incidents like this in secret, as practice, so they could be made to look real like today in London. Very curious!

It looks like finall the DNC has a spokeperson that can deliver the message loud and clear. The GOPers have had this talent for years and have been able to deliver their message of B/S so the masses took it as the truth.

Making It Stretch As Much As Possible

Lets do this. How could a bomb plot in London be a victory for the president? The plot alone is fishy but the logic developing is an act of fishing for victory when there is none. Al Qaeda is being connected to this as we speak. In fact, I have been screaming about the use of Al Qaeda's name to legitimize the actions of this administration.

Who in their right mind would use a two fairly expensive cars like a Mercedes just to blow up. Al Qaeda must be coming up in the world and living the London and American dream. The second so-called bomb only had gas "petrol," of a undisclosed amount, cylinders and nails. Much of what I got from this report was that the contents used in the first car were found in the second. To defuse it, you would first have to put it together. You will never find who placed those cars in these locations.

I know I am sounding like a conspiracy theorist. So what, truth is stranger then fiction and this plots smells of a plant. I noticed, and this was actually kind of phony and funny, MSNBC had an analyst saying this plot was devised by a group who wanted to be with, yes you guested it, Al Qaeda.

I sorry this does not make me scared. It only makes me suspicious of London and American propaganda tactics.

Joseph

Ask yourself, why do incidents like this never really happen in Texas, but only in places like London or Madrid where Azner, Bush's other buddy, used to be in power. This is simply to much coincidence that this happens in London but not Texas.

CNN:
"The second car had been parked underground near Trafalgar Square in an area where parking was not allowed."

-looks like these cars were supposed to be found before they exploded

It appears that Sep is the end all tell all for Iraq......why do I have the sneaky feeling that come Sep, we'll need "just a little more time" to tell how the surge is working.....what about the immediate benchmarks Bush talked about in Feb.....we'll be able to tell in a "couple of months" if we're making headway............you know, I don't disagree with the BushCo approach....wait until 1-20-09 to leave it to another admin......Hillary, Obama, my pet turtle, the mole on your ass, the crackhead on the street corner could handle this situation better than the incompetent bunch of morons we have now. As long as we can maintain the status quo for another 1.5 years, then an adult will be president and we can end this "fools erand".

I'm so glad I don't watch teevee anymore.

What a waste of time on both sides.

The Democrats are anti-Empire because they want to occupy and crush Afghanistan instead of Iraq?

Gawd I'm so glad I don't watch teevee anymore.

Steve, I guess your next step up would be to start watching Fox News. Just out of curiousity, can you pick Afghanistan out on a map.......

look at ME!..... look at ME!

The Herald Sun:
"staff at the Tiger Tiger nightclub alerted police after the large silver car was being driven "erratically'' before the minor crash; the car was driven into bins and the driver ran off.."

Wow.

Christ Matthews acts like an actual journalist. Will wonders never cease.

HOW'S IT FEEL TO FINALLY BE A MAN, CHRIS MAH BOY???

You know, I usually take the "Democrat kicks Repub's ass on the teevee" headlines and fanfare with a grain of salt on Dem. blogs, but no, Finney kicked her ass. I'm guessing Blondie's out of work soon....

G-Baby, yah, they'll leave it for the next President, the Hillary Clinton administration, after she kicks ass and wins in more than 45 states. Don't be fooled by right-wing reports that Hillary has high unpopularity ratings. She is loved and respected by most Americans who know she is a powerful and very honest statesperson.

Do people here really believe this was a set-up fake terrorists incident in London. How csn that be without the media finding out?

Al Qaeda Al Qaeda Al Qaeda Is Being Used

Lisa Comuso, the Republican hack, screamed it: "We are fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan now." This one claim will be used to keep our troops in Iraq. The Republicans are placing their money on well felt hatred for those who were responsible for 9/11. Yes, all Americans want blood justice.

That being noted, I watched Al Qaeda's ranks swell two fold in two months time. From a two percent presence to now being the main fighting force in Iraq. You would swear magic was at hand because the multiplication of Al Qaeda's forces does not add up. There is no longer a sectarian civil war. The US has chosen one side to be Al Qaeda: The Sunnis.

While this was developing no one, and I mean no one, challenged the assertion Al Qaeda in Iraq was the primary problem in Iraq. Enter a 10,000 soldier offensive to help with the claim Al Qaeda was so entrenched in Diyala province they would need such a force to effectively uproot the threat. Now, the Republicans have their war mongering marching orders to call everything Al Qaeda. They feel we have bought the lie and they can treat Al Qaeda, the main problem in Iraq, as fact. Don't take my word for truth, set by and watch this lie continue to unfold.

Joseph

Matthews is SHIT-FACED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a hoot!!!!!
Makes you wonder why Coultler is always on wearing that SAME BLACK DRESS???!!!?!

The Republicans need to get rid of this blonde spokesperson and get Ann Coulter back on Chris Matthews. At least Ann can distract the country.

How to stop Muslim kids from becoming terrorists in the West? I highly recommend the CBC's "Fifth Estate" program "AMONG THE BELIEVERS:CRACKING THE TORONTO TERROR CELL" which can be viewed on line.

The hour long doc provides insight into what makes up these home grown cells.
Basically Muslim kids, late teens early 20's, full of pent up rage over what they perceive as unjust treatment against fellow Muslims world wide. Mix in the irrationality of youth, hot tempers, bad advice on the internet and you've got yourself a jihadist cell.
It raises the question as to what the West isn't doing to help matters - like failing to stop f***ing around with other nations' politics. You can't export democracy folks. It has to be earned.
Check it out. Another excellent CBC/PBS collaboration, proof that real journalism still exists on this continent. You just have to wade through the crap to find it.

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Gawd!!! Blah blah blah blah.
Same dialogue for the last 4 years 3 months and counting. Same death, same crazy-making go-nowhere oppressive inability to talk about anything ELSE.
Bet the so-called bombs we planted and "discovered" (sure) .
9-11-9-11-9-11-9-11-9-11
It's what happens (the distraction) when cheney and bush are getting well-deserved bad press.
Who isn't sick to death of this idiotic puppet show!

Another Fake bomb to distract from Cheney and Bush's phenomenally sociopathic whitehouse antics.
The expected media kneejerk.
We've seen this story in different forms about 30 times. The inevitable argueent about why we should accept oppression as a way of life.

Rashomon strikes again. The ostrich wingnuts don't see any connection anywhere cuz they are pathological specimens of displacement and denial. The moonbats would have been the Tories during the Revolutionary War.

This is the height of ignorance and arrogance. "We need to go into these countries and help them understand that there is a better way of life.....we need to bring democracy to [these people]" Well.....golly....I'm sure people in the ME would love it if we invaded each and every country and "civilized" them. Better yet, bring back the crusades.

Oh and by the way, the democrat in that video didn't "chew" anyone. She was like lukewarm water on a 95 degree day in the Amazon. If anything she came off as unprepared. Anyone with half a brain could have told that RNC hack that the Bush regime would have us believe that we are fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq. US Generals on the ground have said there are less than 500 Al Qaeda fighters in Iraq and that we are fighting an insurgency. As long as the occupation (as the Iraqis view it) of Iraq continues, there insurgency will only grow in numbers.

The bombs in London are a real threat, let's not minimize it. Also remember that Londoners are a bit more accustomed to past terrorism from the Irish Republican Army.

That said, I agree that Ms. Finney is doing a good job with her responses.

Matthews is still a tool, but its the sad job of Finney, et. al. to go on shows like his and try to defend the Dems' position.

OHHH, SNAP!!!!

Whoa...."bitch slap". Bring those two back every night. The little blonde pimple had arguments that couldn't fool the geezers glued to the propaganda network in their lazy-boys. I'm not sure of the names of these two, but the intelligent one, the brunette, put a stop to the silly ass talking points that she kept trying to toss out as "logic" for this f*cked up strategy of the chimp and co's. Nice going ladies!!

Why does anyone even bother watching that windbag Chris Mathews, he is fucking incredulous.

'Oh, and Lisa? If you're looking for your head, it's out in the middle of the parking lot where I just punted it.'

• When will we have enough of America's ear to tell her that Bush released tens of thousands of tons of high-explosives, munitions, and nuclear materials to our enemies when he illegally invaded Iraq over lies, and then failed to deploy enough troops or order them to guard the KNOWN dangerous materials there?

Russ Mason UK @ 15:

Finney to go head to head with hannity. Sack colmes. Today.

Arrange for body bag in advance for hannity.

It's in Colmes' contract that he can't debate Hannity directly ... and Hannity won't debate anyone who he either knows before hand that can beat him or he learns during the show can beat him ... that's why he won'd debate Ed Schultz and why Stephanie Miller has never been invited back.

And then Matthews would ordinarily come in and say that it doesn't matter that Dems are right -- Boy Wonder has an awesome package, and it either scares terrorists away, or else it makes him hard, he can't quite tell.

And O'Reilly, PROMISED his audience he wouldn't trust Boy Wonder if the WMD weren't there; and then went ahead and rolled the dice a second time, and has just been proven wrong again -- as his entire freak(in') party runs in the other direction.

Freak(in') Flip-floppers.

can someone disassemble chris's testicles ?

Who the hell are these goddmned neocons that tweety finds to spew their bullshit?

Why does anyone even bother watching that windbag Chris Mathews, he is fucking incredulous.

Because he's a right wing owned media clown......

HAHAHAHA. London terror bombs...a can of gas some nails and a piece of cloth that the perp lit with the windows up. There wasn't enough air for it to burn. If it had burned down to the gas can nothing would have happened. Molotovs ignite when the gas is suddenly mixed with air in the presence of a flame, as when a glass container of gas is smashed after throwing it. I guess the retard who designed this "bomb" didn't stick around to pick up the car and throw it. The cops defused this pathetic device by reaching in the car and pulling the cloth out. Christ, these were just beat cops.

This is international "news" fed 24/7 by the fear fascists at foxploitation to their brood of suckling idiot piggies that nurse there every day.

In my day this was the kind of stunt not to bright teenagers would do on Halloween night.

If this story frightened any of the 30 percenters it really is alarming what emasculated cowards you have become or always were.

Best part for me: Democrat says the surge isn't working, Republican says "That report's not coming out until September." LOL!

egalpad said: You’re all going for the head fake. The War on Terror is a hoax. This was just another synthetic event ginned up to sell more fear and repression. Terror is largely a homegrown commodity. What you’re seeing is just another part of the Psy Op, with the media used as the witting or unwitting tool.

As the saying goes, those who do not remember history are bound to repeat it Of course if you are never taught real history, it's hard to remember what you never learned. Real history includes the NATO/CIA/MI6 false-flag operation during the cold war known as Operation Gladio in which underground fascist and far right organizations with ties to Western intelligence agencies were used to stage murderous terror attacks on civilians in Western European countries. These terror attacks were then blamed by the media and governments on leftist radicals and commie subversives, the idea being to discredit and thereby prevent the election of leftists and communists to European parliaments. Here's a snip from an interview with Swiss historian Daniele Ganser author of the book NATO`s Secret Armies:Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe (available from Amazon.com).

Silvia Cattori: Your book about NATO’s Secret Armies [1] explains that the strategy of tension [2] and the False Flag terrorism [3] imply great dangers. It teaches us how NATO - together with the intelligence services or the West European countries and the Pentagon - utilised secret armies during the Cold War, hired spies among the extreme right wing, and organized terrorist acts for which they blamed the left. Becoming aware of this, we can wonder about what is likely to happen today behind our back.

Daniele Ganser:It is extremely important to understand what the strategy of tension truly represents the way it works nowadays. This can help us clarify the present and to see more clearly to what extent it is still in action. Only a few people know what the expression ’strategy of tension’ means. It is very important to talk about it, to explain it. It is a tactic that involves carrying out criminal acts and attributing them to someone else. By the term ’tension’, we mean emotional tension, all that which creates a feeling of tension.

By ’strategy’ we make reference to that which increases people’s fear in regard to a determined group. These secret structures of NATO had been equipped, financed and trained by the CIA, in coordination with the M16 (the British secret service), to fight against the Army of the Soviet Union in a case of war, but also according to the information to which he have access today, to commit terrorist acts in several countries [4]. That is how, since the 70s, the Italian secret services have been using these armies to foment terrorist attacks, with the purpose of causing fear among the population, and later, to accuse the communists of being the authors. The strategy of tension was designed to serve the purpose or discrediting, weakening and stopping communism from reaching executive power.

SNIP

Silvia Cattori: If I understand well, these Stay Behind groups, whose original goal was to be prepared in case of a Soviet invasion, have been deviated from that goal and were reorganised to defeat the left. From that, it is difficult to understand why the left parties have not investigated this or denounced this earlier.

Daniele Ganser: When we take the case of Italy, it appears that, every time that the communist party has interviewed the government to find an explanation about the secret army that was operating in this country under the coded name of Gladio [6], there was never any answer, under the pretext that it was a ’state secret’. It wasn’t until 1990 that Giulio Andreotti [7] recognised the existence of Gladio and its direct links with NATO, the CIA, and M16 [8]. _ It is also during that time that the judge Felice Casson was able to prove that the true author of the bombing in Peteano in 1972, that had shocked Italy, and that had been attributed up to that moment to the extreme left militants, was Vincenzo Vinciguerra, linked to ’Ordine Nuovo’, a group of the extreme right wing. Vinciguerra avoided blame for the bombing in Peteano with the help of the Italian secret services. Vinciguerra also spoke about the existence of this secret army, Gladio. He explained that, during the Cold War, these clandestine acts had caused the death of women and children [9]. He stated as well that this secret army controlled by NATO, had branches all around Europe. When this information was released, there was a political crisis in Italy. And it is thanks to the investigations of the judge Felice Casson that we got to know about NATO’s secret armies.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article144748.html

The BBC aired a 3 part documentary on Operation Gladio back in 1992, it is posted in streaming video at several web sites including google video, just google (BBC2 Operation Gladio video) and you`ll find the links.

Tin foil hat stuff? I don't think so.

Hey, go back and watch Terry Gilliam's Brazil again, but through the lens of the Bush Administration.

That one will give you chills.

HAHAHAHA. London terror bombs…a can of gas some nails and a piece of cloth that the perp lit with the windows up. There wasn’t enough air for it to burn. If it had burned down to the gas can nothing would have happened. Molotovs ignite when the gas is suddenly mixed with air in the presence of a flame, as when a glass container of gas is smashed after throwing it. I guess the retard who designed this “bomb” didn’t stick around to pick up the car and throw it. The cops defused this pathetic device by reaching in the car and pulling the cloth out. Christ, these were just beat cops.

Interesting. You dismiss the entire incident based on the bombs construction.

Dumb and poor bombs are just as deadly as fancy expensive bombs. Jihadis aren't trying to impress internet geeks who think they know to build explosives like a pro. They just want to get the job (of blowing up infidels) done.

It should be more disturbing that the materails used to make the bomb can all be purchased at your local deparment store hardware dept (and not from a secret laboratory in Antarctica where an underground society of bomb makers spend years and millions of dollars to make....)

But I Britons shouldn't stop to worry. Just put another pot of tea on and smoke another fag.....

Finney actually does nail the right winger in the context
of this show and she does it because she is right with
the facts. We are in Iraq to sow chaos and chaos means
killing innocents, killing insurgents, killing AQ, Iranians,
Palestinians, Lebanese, Americans, Afghans, anyone and
everyone. That is the meaning of chaos and that has been
the aim from the very beginning of the "Iraq War". It is a
fight against the Muslim extremists and it is creating more
and more of them every day. It would help if their "governments"
gave them something better to live for. They instead
tell the testosterone prone 'don't look for anything like government
from us because it's all Israel's fault and if we can't blame Israel
we'll blame Americans because if we don't blame someone pretty soon you'll be
blaming us, your criminally elected unelected, crime family, theocratic dictators.
Don't worry, the one "true" God is on your side'.

Ooo....
Is that what we're doing in Iraq? Showing them a better way to live...

Ok, I got it now. Yeah that'll stop them from becoming terrorists.

You weren't kidding about Finney knocking that RNC spokeswoman on her ass and essentially the whole Republican ideology as well. Which is to say the whole non-reality fantasy world talking points that have no basis in what is actually going on. Howard Dean knows how to hire someone eh?

Nobody's shocked by these attempted attacks, we all expected a little fear-mongering from Brown sometime or another.

While I live in reality and I think the Democratic representative owned the Republican one, the right wing lunatics don't live in reality and they'll choose to see that as they want to, probably saying that the RNC rep owned the very rude DNC rep. I really don't know what we can do about the 29% who just refuse to acknowledge reality no matter how obvious that reality is. Given the fucked up state of our electoral system with so few exercising their right to vote (or being able to), those backwashers have enough influence in elections to make a (very negative) difference.

Awww man. She made mince meat out of her. Talk about aggressive, luvs it.

(1) The cops defused this pathetic device by reaching in the car and pulling the cloth out. Christ, these were just beat cops...

While I assume the point you were attempting to make was that the 'pathetic' bomb was very amateur-night, these 'just beat cops' showed a hell of a lot of courage reaching into a car with a bomb in it. I certainly wouldn't want to be someone choosing to risk losing my arm (if not my life) to potentially save other lives.

(2) It should be more disturbing that the materails used to make the bomb can all be purchased at your local deparment store hardware dept...

I'd be even more disturbed if suddenly I was put on a suspect list, or had to obtain special security clearance before being able to buy a sack of nails (useful for building a garden shed or putting up a fence), a can of petrol (siphoning out enough from my car to run a lawnmower is inconvenient), fertilizer (I have a garden, vegetables seem to do better with fertilizers), gas canisters (doesn't really say what sort of gas, but gas canisters are useful for everything from camping stoves to blowing up party balloons), or mobile phones (handy for calling the police to report suspicious smoke inside a Mercedes car parked outside a London nightclub...) But knowing how deep the Bush paranoia and obsession with control runs, it wouldn't surprise me.

Frankly, I feel safer knowing that bouncers, paramedics, tow truck drivers and - yes - even a drunk were able to spot not one but TWO potentially lethal bombs - regardless of how 'amateur' the bombers might or might not have been...

Excuse my language but F--K Tweety.

He just HAS to come back and spout "9/11 which will haunt us til we die", Nice Rethuglican talking points.

Oooooo... Tweety gets tough with the RNC bitch.

But of course she comes back with "Bring Democracy to other countries"

MS Finney hits the nail on the head. Thank you I heard the same old song from the RACIST NAZIS COMMITTEE (RNC), don't they ever change.

Bombs yup like I said two weeks ago they are right on time blairs out the TALKING MONKEY and the GUTLESS, SPINELESS, COWARD and TRAITOR cheney are under heavy Investigations OOPS time for a distraction. Really don't think it was a Al Queade attempt more like a Intell attempt to make it look like Al Queade, remember you have deperate people doing desperate things to stay alive POLITICALLY.

NOW the Racist NAZIS COMMITTEE (RNC) spokes person is totally UNEDUCATED in the customs, culture and religious politics as well as the international politics in that part of the world. Her ignorance (shown by trumpeting the FASCIST RNC song) is shown when are the Media going to stop in place and shut IDIOTS like her down. Just a few unanticipated questions would sink these fools ship.

Once again THANK you Ms Finney for showing the right how STUPID they really are.

matthews told the RNC that she was supposed to be the expert on terrorism and she just gives him a jaw-dropped look - duh

pwned by DNC

So, why the delay in finding someone that could come armed with the facts, continue to speak up and slap down the "talking points"...talk over the egomanical hosts and GET OUR POINTS/FACTS out there????? There are commenters on all the blogs I read who could do better than the paid for pundits (BEGALA, SHRUM, CARVILLE, DONNA, et al)...let's remember they are ALL too insidiously connected to the BELTWAY BOYS (or are them)...let's see more fresh, firm, informed, ballsy faces (now there's an image)...

Wow, I didn't realize Chris Matthews was such a hack. I've never seen much of "Hardball" but this clip made it pretty clear A) what his bias is and B) that he's incapable of the necessary journalistic professionalism that suppressing one's bias entials. "We'll start with the Republican side because you're the ones that are running this country right now." Hello! Did he sleep through the elections last November? Anyway, I'm glad the DNC is finally making a stronger showing and aren't sitting back and being cowed by Republican BS rhetoric anymore. And what are people like Chris Matthews doing on a news channel anyway?

Tweety and the right-wing media are holding our heads under water again to make sure this constant feed of improbable facts keep the dark cloud of oppression low black and close so we stop imagining it's possible to take a free breath or hear anything resembling a rational, human or sane reflection of actual reality.

edgecity @ 36:

Tweety finally asked a great question. What do we do to stop young men from becoming trained as terrorists? RNC's Lisa was completely stumped... it really left me wondering if this is a topic the RNC doesn't even ponder! She had nothing to say except I'm not an expert. No Kidding!

The GOP is truly clueless about creating a long term strategy to deal with terrorism-- besides invading countries and alienating our allies, of course.

That is what stood out to me, too. She was speechless. And it is the problem -- they are reactionaries. They have a complete inability to understand that we need a political solution. They live in a black and white world.

Terrorism is horrible. It is wrong. But they miss the point -- it is borne from hatred that we are doing nothing to alleviate. And as much as it leaves a bad taste in their mouths, that has to be dealt with.

I swear, they are like children. But look at Bush -- he's the biggest child of all.

Chaos4700 @ 145:

Wow, I didn't realize Chris Matthews was such a hack. I've never seen much of "Hardball" but this clip made it pretty clear A) what his bias is and B) that he's incapable of the necessary journalistic professionalism that suppressing one's bias entials. "We'll start with the Republican side because you're the ones that are running this country right now." Hello! Did he sleep through the elections last November? Anyway, I'm glad the DNC is finally making a stronger showing and aren't sitting back and being cowed by Republican BS rhetoric anymore. And what are people like Chris Matthews doing on a news channel anyway?

I disagree a bit. I've watched Chris for a long time and he let the Republican hang herself. He asked the simple question as to how we stop the terrorists. As I said above, she was speechless. He also didn't talk over the Democrat.

And the republicans are running the country. They own the judiciary, they're still running Congress (did we defund Iraq? no; did we defund Cheney? no; does Nancy think impeachment is off the table because we cannot succeed? yes), and Bush is ignoring all attempts at oversight. Chris is right, unfortunately.

Watched the BBC News last night.

Night and day difference between the wall to wall coverage the USA's fear-mongering media gave this story and what The Beeb did.

Stiff upper lip indeed.

I watched it last night and had to turn it off.

Why are these 20 something mid-level operatives on my TV? They have no expertise on terrorism and the gravitas of two year olds.

Hardball has gone down hill.

Chris should have said that the Republican Party was the one ruining the country and the world! I think that teenage boys will not want to join our cause when they see us as an illegal occupation force in their country. How can Republicans continue to lie in the face of the facts?

It looked like it might be interesting, but once I realized it was Chris Matthews I turned it off. I am boycotting him for giving air time to an alien - Ann Coulter.

No. She only did a good job at perpetuating the myth the Al Quaida is a real threat.

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