Schwarzenegger exposed as a fraud on Global Warming
By John Amato Tuesday Jul 03, 2007 12:14pm
Mary Nichols was just hired to try and quiet the storm. Arnold's stance on Global Warming must now be considered a con:
Her appointment follows the recent departure of two top board officials who each complained publicly that meddling by the Schwarzenegger administration on behalf of business interests limited their ability to draft effective regulations for curbing greenhouse gas emissions and improving air quality.
Nichols replaces Robert Sawyer, who says he was fired after pushing to implement more aggressive action to curb global warming than the administration supports.
Witherspoon said she and her staff were also pressured by the administration to ease a crackdown on heavy diesel construction equipment after industry representatives complained the draft regulations were too tough.
I hope the Hollywood community that supported his re-election are proud of themselves. Tools...Except for Warren Beatty, that is.
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No, no, tell me it isn't true. This cannot be!
A prominent republican declared 'a fraud'?!
Whatever is the world coming to?
No surprise here Ahnuld is True Republican. Every time his lips move he's lying to you. Sure don't say much about my fellow Golden Staters that they are still buying into this giant sockmonkey's lies and spin. Guy is a total asshole.
Never did get rid of his Hummers and that hydrogen car bullshit....
Bogus.
Is there any Liberal from "Hollywood" that has held elective office... Franken is still running.
A half ass actor a political fraud?
No! How can that be so!
Of course he's a fraud.
Name one 'con today that isn't a fraud. Anybody? Bueller?...
Hummers, union-bashing, privatization, attempts to dismantle pensions, schizoid immigration stances.
Schwartzeneggar has always been a fraud. And lets not forget the steroids (it's not a fraud...it's design!)
It is easy to talk environmentalism, but when push comes to shove the Governor follows that standard Republican zombie homily: Big business needs more corporate welfare and laissez-faire capitalism is good for you.
Jeez, what a fourth!
And Fred Thompson is being hailed as the next Reagan.
Independence Day. Just keep working hard and someday you can be Libby and enjoy the same privileges as the big guys.
Noooooooooooooo, God Damn it. Al Gore's Son was just got arrested for drug possesion. Fuck It All. That kid needs a spankin' CNN just reported.
ummmm geeeee...... I think that's why they call them actors.
Like Reagan, he is an actor first. The script said pay attention to the environment.
... like we couldn't see this coming from a mile away...
Strawberry @ 9:
Again?
Right Wingers should be pushing this to the top of the headlines any time now.
Ever notice how going green without sacrificing comfort is typically out of the reach of the typical American family budget?
That's my worry L.A. Confidential, Ann Coulter and Rush Limp balls are probably salivating over this. I just hope Al doesn't pull a Libby and save him.
:-o 8-O :-o 8-O :-o 8-O :-o 8-O
I'm Shocked. He LIED?
L.A. Confidential @ 13:
Indeed. As yet further proof of the utter ineffectiveness of prohibition.
Strawberry @ 15:
Depends on the length of sentence. He'll probably get life in prison just because he's Gores Son.
Strawberry @ 15:
At least he was driving a Prius...
http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUKN0428148420070704
Al Gore's son busted for drugs in hybrid car
No shit! He's a lousy repug.
That's it?
A couple people leave or are fired because they aren't permitted to push their own agenda above "what the administration supports"? Are they the f*cking governors of CA? How does this expose Arnold as a "fraud"? Is this a matter of him not backing up the things he says he wants to do on the environment, or the things these two say they want to do? He's the one who was elected.
Whether or not CA will ultimately be successful in the reaching the way-too-ambitious targets it has set for itself is unclear, but I really don't think that this exposes him as a fraud. Didn't Arnold sign a bill making CA the first state to impose legally-enforceable limits on greenhouse gas emissions? Didn't he also sign a bill ordering that fuel in CA must produce 10% less carbon by 2020? Isn't Arnold pressuring the state to move up its goal of obtaining 20% of its power from renewable resources from 2017 to 2010? Isn't CA in a legal battle with the big three over its goal to impose stricter emissions standards?
Again, anyone can set unrealistic goals toward reducing climate change. Just look at Kyoto. And Arnold, like just about every other politician, is certainly trying to get as much mileage out of the topic as possible. But I'm pretty sure that he's done more than Sawyer and Witherspoon in elevating the issue on a national level and keeping CA as a leader on the issue, especially in the west. So, no, I'm not ready to call him a fraud on this just yet. Warren Beatty is all talk.
Happy 4th to everyone.
Arnold
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070628/480/bfa37e574f2a44918c5beef518c3d482
L.A. Confidential @ 7:
Fred Thompson is dead?
This is one of the most depressing 4ths I've every experienced.
This country can not even have a holiday anymore without some kind of freaking scandal blasting at you from every direction.
Strawberry @ 9:
Ahnold and Gore's son. The rethug vultures will be out in force today. Waving flags and spreading lies.
girlie man
Schwarzenegger is GREEN. We all know this. Why even the Hummer he drives is GREEN.
The corporations all want to become GREEN. Make the stupid American people believe that they are doing something for the environment. Make the idiots think that they are fighting global warming. Make the sheep happy that they will keep living the American dream. Endlessly consuming all they want in a land (world) of plenty with no price to pay. It will go on forever and ever.
Because we are all GREEN.
We need a boost. We have to start thinking collectively. Let's celebrate a new Declaration of Independence. It seems like the EXTREME RIGHT WING MAIN STREAM MEDIA (ERWMSM) has forgotten why we celebrate the 4th of July. We know that the administration has forgotten along with the 29%.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...
LOL, Miss Kitty, I didn't know that Hybrids could go 100MPH. Those poor little gerbils with electric wiring up their furry little wazoos musta' really been hoofin' it.
Ron @ 28:
SUPERB!
HillCountryGal @ 30:
What ya mean the 4th of July isn't about how many hot dogs you can stuff in your gob with choking....wow, who da thunk.
Ahnold is like many politicians who pander to the public by promoting a facade of doing what is right but lacking the courage to act affirmatively. The fraud of these despicable acts will be exposed soon enough, as it was here.
that's WITHOUT choking....geez.
"Nichols replaces Robert Sawyer, who says he was fired after pushing to implement more aggressive action...(that would be "some")
"..to curb global warming than the administration supports.(and that would be "none").
We're now subjects of the Bush Royalty.
Thanks Dems. Thanks a lot.
HillCountryGal @ 30:
Thank you. Pass the link around to as many people as you can.
oswald @ 21:
Ron @ 36:
Just saw a bit on Cnn titled independence day in Iraq. I had to LOL because, they cannot have independence "WHILE THEY ARE OCCUPIED BY AN INVADING FORCE."
I've said all along that Ahhnold is just another Con. A good actor, perhaps, but a political Con.
The sad thing is that the Democrats could have run either Warren Beatty or Rob Reiner against him and chose instead to run a Mexican-American who immediately destroyed his candidacy by declaring that he would open the border and let everyone come in.
Stupid, thy name is DLC Democrat.
Strawberry: think of all the times the BushTwins were arrested for underage drinking while they were still at an age that their parents should have been responsible for them. This should not be a strike against Gore and liberals have to make sure it isn't.
kaT, yeah but WE play by the rules, Kids and private sex lives are off limits, but to repugs...remember how Rush attacked poor little Chelsey Clinton? Ugh. It is SOOOO hard to take the high road.
Please take a look at the recent cover of Time magazine with Arnold on it. Notice his belt buckle. It is a Nazi Colonel's belt buckle with the skull and cross bones. Also known as a Death’s Head or Totenkopf.
If that is not in your face proof of Arnold's love for Nazi's I don't know what is.
Republicans are all about the deception.
Arnold was always a fraud.
I don't know why Californians couldn't see through it.
"I've learned my lesson, I've changed."
What utter bullsh*t.
So how many of you actually read that article?
Robert Sawyer was canned, but in order remedy the f'ck up Schwarzenegger nominated an experienced member of the Clinton administration who Sawyer respects. So, umm ya.
The real debate is over a state emissions cap, or more standardized emissions caps for individual outputers. This hardly strikes me as something worthy of the "crook" and or "liar" title.
This is story is kind of lame.
I still like Arnold. I think that he is a republican because he couldn't become the governator otherwise. His whole extended Shriver-Kennedy clan is democratic. Maybe when he becomes Arnold the Invincible, he can be whatever he wants to be.
Lighten up.
Hating for hatings sake is dumb.
"exposed"? gee, but kos put a big (D) next to arnold's name on that one site devoted to solely electing democrats that fairly ignored the schwarzenengger sleaze train...whudda thunk?
Herbert, go back to WOW. This is real life with real consequences. I live in California, and Arnold is a disastrous liar.
And deciding to be a republican so you can be elected is the first lie. He didn't lie, guy, his family from way back are not democratic people. Do some research, Arnold tried to get a banned from the USA Nazi to attend his wedding. He comes from a very dark family.
Don't lighten up, you moron, educate yourself or go back to gaming.
Arnold's reason for running for governor was a lie. He is there to make sure that Enron gets away with their massive theft. He was meeting with Enron thieves during the power crisis. Former governor Davis wasn't going to take it lying down, he was going to sue so he had to be removed.
Well, literally cutting CO2 emissions by 85% tomorrow is not at all reality. Unless you propose to simply turn off 85% of everyone's electricity, deny 85% of people the right to drive, cancel 85% of airline flights etc. And that probably wouldn't even fully reach the goal. Is that what you're suggesting?
Realistically(and historically), these types of reductions are realized through improved technologies and efficiencies. And those take years to develop, not hours.
CA has traditionally been a leader on these issues and I don't see where Arnold has done anything to derail that.
What I am suggesting Oswald is that we have no realistic leadership in taking on the issue of global warming. It is easy to sugar coat reality and say technology will save us in the end...but that is speculative at best. There is no proof that we will find some technological antidote to climate change.
The 'pollution trading' scheme that Schwarzeneggar and his appointees are clamoring for is designed to benefit heavy industry not the people of California--even though our 'leaders; insist that it is the only way that we can save ourselves! I mean wtf!
The air in Carson will still be un-breathable in 2020 and climate change will be much more severe because of the lies of 'environmentalist' politicians, like Schwarzeneggar, who work secretly and in collusion with polluting corporations. Get your head out of the sand. If you really want to stop global warming you need to minimize your impact now. Stopping buying all that crap that corporations insist we need would be a good first step. Global warming and Climate change are already here and will continue to play out for thousands of years. When people figure out that consumption is the problem than maybe they will elect leaders who are not owned by corporations.
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How many warning were Californians issued that when you dance with the devil, your feet get crushed?
Hopefully, people will remember this during Arnold's run for Boxer's senate seat...
From Hollywood Fred Thompson, to Hollywood Ahnuld, to Hollywood Reagan for a party that likes to bash Hollywood there sure are a lot of prominent Hollywooders in the Republican party.
More blatant Republican hypocrisy.
no shit sherlock. You just figuring this out now?
apple pie @ 52:
Actually, there's plenty of proof: catalytic converters, nuclear, wind, solar and hydroelectric power, higher mpg and hybrid cars, mass transit, more efficient appliances and light bulbs etc etc etc. We'd be a lot further from correcting this problem if not for these innovations. And I'm not saying that any single one in the silver bullet, but there's no question that technology has, and will continue, to play a huge role.
You'll have to explain this a little better. Is this scheme actually going to prevent CA from reaching the goals I mentioned above? Is it going to actually increase emissions? CA has relatively little heavy industry, so I don't know the actual impact. What CA does have is millions of cars, and I do think they are addressing that problem.
Its kind of silly to think that governments shouldn't work with heavy industry, rather than just shutting it down, in order to reduce emissions. And CAs emissions goals will require it to do just that.
I'm certainly not in support of the "voluntary" reductions that Bush has championed. That's ridiculous. But heavy industry is here to stay and it responsible for mining and creating all the little materials under the keyboard you're typing on and the screen your looking at and the electricity that's running it.
Who said anything about climate change not being here? Or about not minimizing impact? The topic is whether or not Schwarzenegger is a fraud. And I don't think he is.
People have figured out that (over)consumption is the problem. But, again, people, yourself included, want to have certainly amenities- like PCs- and that requires a supply chain, and consumption. Do you really need that PC of yours to survive? You know, the one with the electricity consumption, plastics and heavy metals? Or, are you living on water and bark in a cave? We're simply not going to reduce our consumption by the (inaccurate) figure of 85% that you've suggested. That's just reality. So, with industry's involvement, we're going to have to leverage technology to reduce emissions to a degree that realistic reductions in consumption alone would not.
Have a happy 4th.
open you eyes and look all Republicans are assholes
Oswald: It is speculative to assume that technology will save us. Technology is not a god. The damage that has been done to the atmospheric global systems that support life has been tremendous. That is why we are seeing such a rapid die-off and extinction of many species. The impacts of our present lifestyle are not offset by recent technological innovations, as important baby-steps as they may be. We have to begin to envision a life that has a different set of definable outcomes and values that our present, heavy-industry based and profit driven based, society can provide and has created.
Pollution-trading is a concept that allows continued pollution emissions from giant corporations who purchase those 'rights to pollute' from other less polluting industries. Ironic as it may seem, these are the same corporations who have destroyed representational democracy in America. And by heavy industry I did not mean to imply solely industries such as petrochemical or coal-intensive factories but out whole petrochemical and energy wasting culture per se. Perhaps I shoudl have written 'heavy-idustrialized'.
Schwarzeneggar seems to embrace the pollution trading concept (at least I think so...most corporate owned pols are trumpeting this as our last best and our only attempt to deal with climate change issues.) But it was designed and is promulgated by the very industries who have been fighting any pollution monitoring, filtering or regulation as well as their 'think-tanks' whom have challenged anthropomorphic climate change so vigorously over the years. Thos lost years were when we could have made a much more profound difference in affecting the rapid momentum of climate change.
Pollution-trading is not going to work. It is not going to halt the sixth mass extinction that we are experiencing on planet earth (you can google this--or better yet read EO Wilson), nor is it going to hold back rising waters in Bangladesh, nor will it slow the transformation of the midwest, and most inner-continental areas from becoming tornado alleys, nor will it affect migrations of invasive plants, pests, or diseases. It won't work. It is designed to slow down and impede necessary and crucial refocusing of our industrialized excess and energy usage. Yes, cars are the problems, but our heavy-industrialized culture creates, loans us money to buy, and fosters cars!
California, my home state, can actually be a real leader, but it is not going to come from Schwarzeneggar. I doubt it will come from CalPoly or the SkunkWorks either. It can come from people who actually see something different in the future---in terms of active participation and decision making. Will it? I don't know. I really don't know...
And the rest of your posting is just baiting and obvious as an attempt to deflect any real debate or conversation. In the end it has to do with leadership, leadership of the most developed state in the most developed nation in the whole world. We do not have effective leadership on climate change, and Schwarzeneeggar just loves duping you into believing he actually is doing something.
*cough*, recall, *cough*
The guy drives HUMMERS. Do you need to know anything else to conclude he's a hypocrite?
First, don't obsess about Gore's son and what the right will do. Think about what you will do. There will be a CNN-a-thon. With the show coming up, it's bad timing, all right.
Second, one of the most sickening things about the last gubernatorial elections was the way Spielberg, the L.A. Times, the supposedly-liberal-but-not-really elements of California, united behind the phony muscleman. He had just gotten his ass handed to him by campaigning for his first year as if he was in a right-wing movie called "The Terminator." The nurses, among others, campaigned very effectively, showing up the phony macho. So he veered, in theory, toward the California center, which wants something done about global warming and health insurance. So he promises to do that, and he does his best "Kindergarten Cop" impersonation and veers hard to the left. He loses the right, but then he'll spend all the next 3 years shooting down what the Democrats propose about global warming and health insurance. It's too "radical," by which he will mean, taxes for the millionaires. So he'll retire with his "liberal" image intact, but he won't have done anything but raise California's debt by an enormous amount.
He's not quite as crazy and isolated as the Orange County Right, but the institutional center in California is really for the right in labor, wages, public spending and taxes, but they'd like to seem nicer while they do it.
Arnold will end up doing nothing; or he'll finally get pushed into the corner by the legislature and be forced into claiming the measures put through the legislature as his own. He's just a Mitt Romney in muscleman drag.
Arnold Schwarzenegger Remains A Party Faithful
What Arnold Schwarzenegger did is a constant in the Republican Party. They are very misleading and manipulating. These are must have trait of the Republican Party. You have to be able to take any issue and turn it into your own.
Take the issue of election fraud. After the 2000 election was stolen from the Democrats, there was a huge call for election reform by the Democrats. As usual, when any overwhelming concern face our nation, politicians move to take on that issue as one they are concerned with. In true deceptive fashion, the Republicans announced their efforts to address our nation's "voter" fraud issues. Voter fraud is a Republican issue; they try to make the case that the dead are voting in huge numbers. They claim immigrants are using dead people's identity to vote. Their claims accompany legislations that would hinder the minority efforts to vote. The main point here is the "sound alike" issue was effectively used to further conservative causes, complete with the energy of having a presidential election taken away from you.
Schwarzenegger was on the verge of having to throw his career away because he tried to turn California red with Republican legislation. The voting public revolted and, during an election, defeated all of his red legislations. That is when he came up with this act to appear more to the left with his issues and concerns. Enter environmental concerns, a perfect chance to move in on Democratic candidates slated to challenge him in the upcoming election. Schwarzenegger played it perfect. It has taken this long to find out what his true motives are.
Republicans are not very honest by nature. They will rationalize any and all issues in their favor. You have to keep them "in the now" and not let them carry the subject away on a tangent that make perfect sense given the logic they provide. The trouble is it is not the logic associated with the issue at hand. Republican misdirection and manipulation is a science for which I find a challenge. The average person will not look under any given issue to see who is driving it or misdirecting it. Pay attention, Schwarzenegger will not be the last Republican to try this kind of deception.
Joseph
Not surprised. After all, he had involvement in the Cheney energy task force that was behind the scheme that stole millions of dollars from California by keeping the supply of electrical power to California low in order for Enron to take advantage of the high demand this created and charge outrageous prices for electrical power.
it's truly pathetic to hear democrats say, "gee, i wike him. he's willy open-minded."
girlie men.
asoudiere@hotmail.com @ 62:
Didn't people try to make this same argument a few months back when Al Gore's $10,000 electric bills became a big topic of discussion?
Did you agree with them?
Is anyone surprised??
I've been living in Asia for a decade. I'm spending the summer in Canada (my home). I gotta tell you, when I get off the plane, I go through reverse-culture-shock. Sometimes North America just makes me sick. It's one big consumer-land, non-stop, and that's all everyone talks about (and I get bored to tears.) Sad, but true. It's totally a culture shock to come home. These resources may appear endless, but they're not. Over-crowded East Asia knows!!! But they're following suit with America too now. Buy buy buy. That's your cultural legacy to the planet, that and fast food.
Oswald,
The only thing that Ahnold is doing is giving us a facade of leadership by example, not the genuine article. Hummers are about conspicuous consumption, not conservation.
And did Ahnold make a movie like " The Inconvenient Truth" lately? Nominated for an Oscar for his work? No? How surprising. He's just another phony panderer teying to look respectivle but failing
I voted against this jerk...I tried to tell everyone he was a phony...once I heard him say at the Republican Convention for the 04 Election that he became a Repug the night he watched Nixon debate Humphrey on TV, except Nixon never debated Humphrey, after he was so embarassed by the Kennedy debate years before he would not agree to debate anyone anywhere. So for this phony being exposed to being a phony isn't a big surprise...unfortunatly neither was his getting re-elected...people as a whole tend to be nincompoops!
Can't ever trust any Rethug. to ever do anything right or ethical.
bmw 528 @ 69:
is a bmw528 a hybrid, btw?
Do you not see any irony in claiming that actual environmental legislation signed by arnold is somehow bested by a movie? That making a movie is better than actually doing something? And its Oscar? lol Are you seriously trying to claim that that has any relevance at all to this discussion? Which is closer to a facade of leadership- making a movie or signing legally-actionable legislation in the nation's largest state and the world's 7th largest economy? Al Gore could run for President and win, and then really make a change. I'd vote for him. He's been in the White House before and knows what to do. Is he afraid of failing? The Dems will probably still control both houses after 2009 and the environment and health care are the two biggest priorities of the electorate right now. How could he lose? Why would he pass up such an opportunity to truly lead the world's largest economy down a more sustainable path? A movie alone will not accomplish that.
You can dislike Arnold because he has an (R) after his name, but he's probably done more than any governor on this issue. How is he failing in that regard?
Don't get me wrong. Gore made a very important movie. But claiming that his movie is a better example of leadership is not at all convincing.
And you're right. Hummers are about conspicuous consumption. But so is an 8000 sq ft house with energy bills in the tens of thousands. I think you missed the point of that post. People try to discredit the environmental work of both Gore and Arnold because of the trappings of their wealth, yet that should not diminish their actual accomplishments.
A-Hole Arnold put the CON. IN CONservative.
What is wrong here folks?
Arnold was on the cover of Time mag last week with Bloomberg, wearing an SS Nazi belt buckle (maybe his dad's?) and Bloomberg is trying to pass a law to prohibit video cameras on the streets of New York to qwell the truth movement.
Bush commutes Libby. The VP says F**k You to congress and has been shredding documents for weeks now. The Feds have a family surrounded in NH and are prepared to kill them for not paying taxes when there is NO LAW for personal income tax.
As of today 3,587 Americans and over a half million (at least) Iraqi's are dead in an occupation staged by neocon sociopaths to gain a foothold in the Islamic territory and rape them of all their natural resoruces.
Politicians are selling our highways to foreign investors to turn them into toll roads. Secret meetings have been going on to create a North American Union. Fear is being used to run the sheeple with Sen Leiberman calling for greater snooping power on our phones, etc. Bush and Kennedy just missed getting the Amnasty bill passed that would have destroyed America.
The "Global Warming" scam is nothing more than more fear based tactics to profit from as the sheeple bleat. It has been happening for millions of years in cycles. The peak oil scam is the same thing...we have 200 years of oil on the North slope of Alaska and on Gull Island that won't be touched because of deals made by Kissinger years ago...The Saudis base oil on the dollar and help pay our National Debt. If we break the deal and use our own oil they base there's on the Euro and stop paying our bills.
Is this really what America is supposed to be about?
No shit, Sherlock.
Bush and Arnold are cut from the same cloth: only appearances matter.
Even I, a non-Californian, knew Arnold was a fraud. He doesn't want to be photographed with the unpopular Bush, but their methods are identical.
No Oswald, a BMW 528 is not a hybrid. Try doing a little research next time. But my 1986 Mercedes 300SDL uses 100% biodiesel. And the compact flourescents that I use to replace the incadescents work just fine too.
Obviously you missed my point and use the faulty Republican argument that two supposed wrongs make it right. On the one side of your forked tongue you dismiss the importance of the Oscar that Gore received but the other says that, yes, the movie was important. Just what do you believe, pal?
Like I said before, people like Schwartzenegger want to pander to the public by appearing to do something worthwhile today but in reality they are delaying the heavy lifting to future generations. I have no intention of leaving such a sordid legacy to my children. They could do a lot more---but don't because they are beholden to selfish interests and the status quo.
Gore had the courage to make a relevant movie about a matter that is a genuine concern to all of us. Of course, you conveniently ignore the redemptive things he did--instead, you focus on the irrelevant point of his energy bill. I'm sure you haven't actually seen "An Inconvenient Truth" but speak like an "expert" in condemning it.
As the saying goes, Oswald, people that can do, those who can't complain. So what have you done lately for envorinmental advocacy? Nothing? Piss and moan? Blame others? How Republican and hypocritical of you.
I'll be glad when your has been party gets kicked to the curb next November.
bmw 528 @ 76:
lol. You really don't understand irony, do you german car guy? And I think it is great that you've taken a sustainable approach to your everyday living. I do the same with my bulbs and take mass transit whenever possible.
so, on your points..
An Oscar is, and always will be, completely irrelevant to the discussion. I'm sorry. That's just a non-starter. There's simply no peer review involved. I complimented Gore on the film and acknowledged it importance.
The movie stands on its own merits, even if it never received any faux award. Can you get your head around that? There's no forked tongue involved if you can remove your politics. I paid the guy a compliment while still reserving the right to question some of his other choices.
If you'd read and consider some of the legislative efforts I listed above you'd see that schwarzenegger is doing some heavy lifting- probably to an unrealistic degree. Where is he failing? What would you have him do instead? He's already enacted legislation that exceeds any federal standards, and those of any other state.
And I did not "focus on the irrelevant point of his energy bill". I pointed out that his critics had no point in chastising him for that. How simple do I have to make this for you? Are you a plant or something?
Your other points are rather ridiculous. Did I take a position against environmental stewardship? Which party is mine again? This is pointless.
Schwarzenegger would ligitimize himself IF he remains an ACTOR in HOLLYWOOD. ACTING in the State Capitol (SACRAMENTO) will NOT work....HE WILL BE SEEN AS A FRAUD to many but on a REALITY he is a PUPPET performing at the will of the STRING HOLDER and better yet a DUMMY for a ventroloquist.
This is the newspeak that you were warned about and you have fallen for. There has been no detectable global warming. There is no consensus among scientists. There never should be. Polar bears are not threatened. Greenland and Antarctica are not melting. CO2 is plant food. Science is far too important to be abused by Gore and to allow scientists to arrive at a consensus.
AGWs are just showing their ignorance of the real world. Climate always changes and has for 4.5 billion years. Attacking a man is the logical flaw argumentum ad hominem. Anybody here KNOW anything about CO2? Not much from what I've read.
Oswald,
Good for you for embracing mass transit and compact fluorescents. If we all do a little much can get done.
I have been involved in the environmental movement for decades and to put it charitably, Schwarzenegger is a reluctant cooperator. Why? Because public sentiment and demand forced his hand. Basically, the public whipsawed him into compliance. Remember the "I got ze message" statement? He sure did, for a while anyway. Funny how the neocon in him vanished when he saw his political ass in big trouble.
I will give California a lot of credit for leadership in environmental issues, they certainly are ahead of the national trends. And Ahnold cooperated because he had little choice politically, not because of his visionary leadership. Anyone who drives a Hummer to promote "conservation" needs a reality check.
Sorry you feel your Governator is beyond criticism or reproach but frankly, none of us are. He could have done a lot more---but waited until he was cornered to act and only enough to get the public off his tail.
As for your comments about Gore--well, evidentally you have your jaded opinion, sorry that you don't take a more redemptive perspective. Your intent with your comment is to portray Gore as a hypocrite. I take exception to your perspective and fail to see what it accomplishes except to define you as a shallow critic for which no qualifications are required. And public sentiment didn't compel Gore to produce his movie---it was his own free will and feeling that it was the right thing to do, a very different paradigm than the one your Governator lives in.
Sorry we don't agree but by all means feel free to slavishly support Ahnold if it makes you feel good. He is hardly the environmental godsend you portray him to be. Your posts are way short on proof and long on unsupported opinion which you confuse with fact, but enjoy yourself until November 2008 when a new tsunami of public sentiment sweeps away the Neocons and their corrupt cronies.
Good night and good luck.
bmw 528 @ 80:
I think you've got some reading comprehension issues. I never said Gore was a hypocrite. I defended him from those who claim he is for enjoying the trappings of his wealth. And I never said Arnold was an environmental godsend. Did you read Amato's opening post? His claim was that two people leaving Arnold's admin proved that he was a fraud on environmental issues. I merely pointed out that Arnold had signed some pretty ambitious legislation and that the departure of the two individuals in question in no way proved him to be a fraud. That's all.
Then you completely missed my point in my post *defending* arnol