Where do they find these guys?
By Steve Benen Thursday Jul 05, 2007 7:15amThe Hill reported yesterday that South Dakota state Rep. Joel Dykstra (R) has officially entered the race for the Republican nomination to face Sen. Tim Johnson (D) in 2008. And who's Joel Dykstra? The DSCC offers this tidbit of news:
"I think 'rape and incest' is a buzzword. It's a bit of a throwaway line and not everybody who says that really understands what that means. How are you going to define that?” --
South Dakota state Rep. Joel Dykstra () on why the state legislature didn't include those exceptions in its abortion ban, April 20, 2006. R-Lincoln County
And here I thought "macaca" moments were supposed to come during the campaign, not before the campaign even starts.
Honestly, where does the GOP find these guys?
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Only women are "raped" so it doesn't matter right? Here's hoping this chump spends a few years in a turkish prison real soon.
The Discovery Institute has a directory of Flat Earth Scholars they let Rove borrow to develop candidates for Congressional races.
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put this nutcase on national tv and make him explain. Call it to the attention of the Editor of his local paper.
Wow, that's pretty fucked up. But, par for the course with rightwingnuts.
what a lunatic.
Someone needs to rape him and show him the pleasure.
BTW Ask some men who were seduced when they were little boys. Believe me, it's something I will never forget. If he were to experience the same thing he would be singing a different tune. :(
Honestly, where does the GOP find these guys?
At the bottom of the barrel? I'm just guessing.
..and this is the state that MN republicans are afraid we*re going to lose jobs to if we don*t give our corporations big tax breaks.
Most republicans politicians are too schooled to actually say something this moronic, but they*re more than willing to pander to folks who think like this.
Rep. Dykstra excused himself immediately after making that statement.
Something about going on a camping trip with his daughter.
Honestly, where does the GOP find these guys?
Just as Joe Liberman.
If you put that quote next to WH spokesman Scott Stanzel*s quote from yesterday-
STANZEL: Well, I guess I don’t know what you mean by “equal justice under the law.”
-it becomes apparent that the republicans are becoming dangerously unclear on concepts.
Drop him off at the state prison, I am sure he'll find out within 24 hours the meaning of the word 'rape'.
where do they find these guys? I dunno, wherever one would find sociopathic, hypocritical liars. Like, your local fundie church.
under a rock
"I think rape and incest is a buzzword." Any republican who can't use the proper verb tense in a simple sentence in his native language has clearly demonstrated his conservative bona fides to the party base.
"Honestly, where does the GOP find these guys?"
Under a white hooded sheet.
I bet most South Dakotans would have no trouble defining rape and incest. This loser just insulted his constituency.
Where do they find these guys?
Is that a rhetorical question? They are found everywhere. Without getting philosophical, it is the inherent nature of man to be evil and to succumb to their lesser demons. What makes man "civilized" is his capacity to elevate his thoughts of empathy for others, love and "right or wrong".
When you live by the "rules of the jungle", as these asshats do, and you are one of the "favored few" who by luck of birth, opportunity and sheer chance you BELIEVE that you are inherently BETTER than others, and that you have all the answers. When you start down that path, when you lose your sense of committment to community and the idea of a "greater good for all", you wind up mentally where morons like this wind up, and you wind up with the half baked society that we now live in.
gbear @ 11:
I coined a phrase (at least I think I did) a few months back to describe this. "Moral bewilderment." It seems these guys are clueless as to the moral import or consequences of their actions, and are subscribing to a whole and entirely separate creed of morality that mainstream Americans (as well as most of the human race) would simply not recognize.
I am sure he has a few skeletons in his closet. Somebody please start talking to all of his nieces, nephews, sisters, brothers and children!
We need to start using some of these words to describe the GOP...
Taken from the American Heritage Dictionary.
Booboisie.= class of people regarded as stupid.
Opprobrium.-disgrace arising from exceedingly shameful conduct.
apotheosis. exalting to divine rank of stature, deification
they all seem to fit into either what they think of themselves or in fact ARE, as in word #2.
Another Republican idiot. Barring the possibility that KKKarl has come up with a surefire strategy to corrupt an overwhelming Democratic majority vote, I'd say they're history.
There's a reason God cursed South Dakota be a cold barren sparsely populated wastland. It's because these small minded evil bastards vote Republican. Baby Jesus knows what he's doing.
I think Joel needs a dictionary
The few, the rabid, the GOP.
They come from the churches, They believe in that "God's shield" bull crap so if you were raped its because your not a good enough Christian or God would have protected you. As for the rapist, well it goes without saying that no Christian would be a rapist so the answer to all of this is a Christian nation that the founding fathers intended. They believe the incest thing, well that doesn't happen, its all made up by that godless Hollywood crowd.
“I think ‘rape and incest’ is a buzzword. It’s a bit of a throwaway line and not everybody who says that really understands what that means. How are you going to define that?” –South Dakota state Rep. Joel Dykstra
How are you going to define that? Well, let's see. First, there's the obvious starting point of using the dictionary. Second, with regard to "defining" these categories, Rep. Dykstra could take a look at his state's criminal code for the current legal defitnition of what constitutes "Rape" and "Incest". Perhaps a visit to the law library would be in order to look at established legal conditions when considering their relation to a new bill being drawn up?
Can you BELIEVE the level of stupidity coming from across the aisle???
Then we should define Joel as a part of the Booboisie. He certainly fits the description.
The Rude Pundit, (http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/ ), got into the words of one of our Founding Fathers,Thomas "Give me liberty or give me death" Paine, (nothing to do with Bruce Willis or cars blowing up), on Independence Day, (nothing to do with Will Smith or cars blowing up), and he quoted form Paine's writings on the governance of America. I find this relevant to the worthless Mr. Dykstra:
"Let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul by swearing allegiance to one whose character is that of a sottish, stupid, stubborn, worthless, brutish man. I conceive likewise a horrid idea in receiving mercy from a being, who at the last day shall be shrieking to the rocks and mountains to cover him, and fleeing with terror from the orphan, the widow, and the slain of America." (Also the raped and sodomized....)
You know, there's nothing wrong with us. Our bullshit detectors work just fine. The problem is that there is so much bullshit out there. And when 27% - almost one out of every three - of us, is still eating that shit and saying how great it tastes, it can be hard sometimes to believe just how evil and corrupt the shit sellers are, and always have been.
But, believe it. We are governed by a brigade of Baghdad Bobs, spewing the most outrageous immoral lies, covering the most immoral and evil sins, right in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Think Ann Coulter here.
This is why the French invented the guillotine.
Is there a republican mental institution where they go to find their candidates? Sure seems so.
I guess for repubs, the more backward and stupid their candidates are, the more appeal they have.
I think the fact that he is in office should give us an idea of what his constituency is like.
Buck @ 28:
Sure I can. It's been going on for over 25 years.
pissed off patricia @ 31:
Yes, it's called "Young Republicans".
Liberal AND Proud @ 33:
Nixon was elected President in 68
Speaking of closet cases ... haven't seen a vacant perma-grin that creepy since Ralph Reed's meltdown.
RayC @ 35:
In the '60s the "crazy uncles in the basement" known as the religious zealots, bigots and clinical morons that now comprise the majority of the GOP, were not in the mainstream.
oops -- wrong thread
It disgusts me that anyone could actually throw those words around as if they were made up political buzz words. I doubt you'd have to look past one generation of this idiots family tree to find a rapist or a pedophile. In fact I'd be interested to see what's on this fuckstick's computer.
►Shiva H Vishnu◄ @ 29:
Isn't Booboisie somewhere in Booidaho?
sulphurdunn @ 15:
Guest commented by George W. Guilliani
Ya see? While we're trying to keep you safe from Al-Quaeda comin' to kill yer babies, the librul elites are only worried about grammar ... just like the French. Well I'm just here to assure you that us republicans is concerned with keeping 'Merica safe. By making Iraq pay for what they did on 9/11, we're fighting them over there so they don't abort our babies over here. {wait for applause line}
RayC @ 26:
You are pretty much right. My mother belongs to one of those churches and when she had a near-death experience she laid in her hospital bed believing that it was all her fault because she didn't have enough faith. These people like to believe that somehow if they do everything right nothing bad will ever happen to them. It's a false sense of control over their environment.
"I think ‘rape and incest’ is a buzzword. It’s a bit of a throwaway line and not everybody who says that really understands what that means."
I think he doesn't understand what those words mean.
Not only did this comment show he is unfit for the Senate, it also shows he's unfit to be considered a rational human being.
Do these sorts of people feel it's okay to make people live in a constant state of guilt and need for punishment? Seems they all believe they must suffer for god and make all those around them do the same. Hell of a way to waste ones life.
The find them in the cabbage patch.
So you might want to check before boiling your corn beef and cabbage.
gbear @ 40:
I thought it was a bacon soup with a crusty French Bread, or crouton topping with chopped parsley.
that combo se may be what he uses as his 'safe words'
It may be difficult to define in So. Dakota.
There is a depth of stupidity at which you can only shake your head and walk away. No point in even getting angry with the terminally idiotic. We used to be a nation who could put men on the moon with little more than a slide rule and cellotape. But failure seems not only to have become an option, it's become the norm. At least for our so-called 'leaders'. *Sheesh*. Does anyone have an emoticon for shaking one's head and walking away...?
Does his family show concern for his nieces and nephews since he admits to not knowing the definition of those two words?
I am Joel. I am a ditto head. I am Joel. I am a ditto head.
Sounded like a typical weekend for him.
“I think ‘rape and incest’ is a buzzword..."
Actually, that's THREE words. Where, indeed, do they find these asshats?
slippytoad @ 19:
I wonder. I suspect that these attitudes have been just as prevalent in the past as they are now, but were forced underground by the "politically correct" movement and the more vocal proponents of civilized behavior. Now that the Neanderthals have taken the airwaves and leadership positions in church and government, the atavistic creeps who have always shared their creed feel free to tell us all how they really feel.
Wasn't the anti-abortion Bill this guy was promoting defeated by a decent popular margin? And doesn't that suggest that the Republicans are putting him up because they want to have someone on the ticket, even a guaranteed loser? No woman, and no man worth a nickel could vote for someone who suggests, as Dykstra does, that rape is only some sort of vague concept which, by implication, women use to cause trouble for men (maybe "real men"?). In Dykstra's world, "No," means "Yes", and "a woman can run faster with her skirts up then a man can with his pants down." (Guffaw, elbow your buddy, and order another beer.) South Dakotans are not, in the main, crude and ignorant -- as this guy is going to find out come election day.
They get these morons right out of the prisons.
Joel's thinking, hypothetically:
Rape: Does anyone really want to have sex anyway? If they do, then how do you know they didn't want it? Or didn't enjoy it? Anyway, you shouldn't enjoy it.
Incest: We're all from Adam and Eve, therefore there's no such thing, except as stated in the old testament, which doesn't use the term and is citable for anything you want to justify. Anyway, without a DNA test, who knows whether the person with whom you're fornicating is really your sister?
When you are dealing with the bottom of the pond you will find a lot of scum!
Cantor de Mambo @ 58:
exactly look at the bushes, incest plain and simple!
How are you going to define that?
www.dictionary.com
only a relative would fuck barbrah bush!
I don't think he's gonna win anyone with rape and incest. Joel, just aim a little higher...try torture and freedom raping, then you'll be right on target.
You know what's the best way to avoid having to define rape and incest for the purposes of abortion? Legal abortions!
“I think ‘rape and incest’ is a buzzword."
Yes, and I think Dykstra means "dumbass" in Cheyenne, doesn't it?
who cares where they find them? Lets just just hope those idiots keep on coming....
anonymous @ 55:
I think I agree with you anon. I think even before the 'politically correct movement' people just had a sense of decency and balance that told them that rape and incest were a hell of a lot more than buzzwords, and you probably might want to keep it quiet if you disagreed. Right wing radio has done a lot to break down those barriers and now these folks feel that discussing the pros and cons of the results of rape is just part of an honest discussion. And of course, god is on their side of the argument.
"Where do they find these guys?"
Mental institutions?
What rock did another ignorant Repug. asshole crawl out from under??
I still think GOP sounds like an onomatopoeia for their pachyderm symbol taking a dump.
He has probably committed rape and incest so frequently that he thinks that it is the norm, and maybe it is in South Dakota. A little rape and incest? All in the family.
I think the reason that people cannot understand that a law that discriminates against half the population based on the fact that they have wombs is just plain unconstitutional, is that there is no issue to compare it to that men have.
You can be sure that if men bore offspring, abortion pills would be available in vending machines on every street corner.
Since this idiot senator can't understand rape and incest, I suggest he be fitted with a womb, allowed to experience these traumas, and give birth, so he can get some perspective.
"Honestly, where does the GOP find these guys?"
In the mirror. If they don't cast a reflection, they're GOP through and through.
After Cain murdered Abel, and skeedaddled, he supposedly took a wife. Was she a sister?
What a jerk. Does he really think that voters don't know rape and incest are clearly defined under each state's laws? Can he possibly be an attorney, who ought to know better? I hope not.
These people really try to operate in an alternative reality. As for where they get these guys, there is a growing Talibamerica, and if we are not on guard, it will become reality.
Is there a book,Bible,manual or instruction book ,on how to be a republican.Or is the Rush Limpballs show what they go by.
necadawg @ 75:
The Prince.
"How are you going to define that?”
Assuming he didn't get misquoted or somthing along those lines IMHO this guy is dumber than most sixth graders.
It's more ironic than the previous posters have indicated. The definitions of rape and incest were written by the S.D. legislature. There's no need for a dictionary. Here's the definition of rape from the South Dakota statutes:
22-22-1. Rape defined--Degrees--Felony. Rape is an act of sexual penetration accomplished with any person under any of the following circumstances:
(1) If the victim is less than thirteen years of age; or
(2) Through the use of force, coercion, or threats of immediate and great bodily harm against the victim or other persons within the victim's presence, accompanied by apparent power of execution; or
(3) If the victim is incapable, because of physical or mental incapacity, of giving consent to such act; or
(4) If the victim is incapable of giving consent because of any intoxicating, narcotic, or anesthetic agent or hypnosis; or
(5) If the victim is thirteen years of age, but less than sixteen years of age, and the perpetrator is at least three years older than the victim.
A violation of subdivision (1) of this section is rape in the first degree, which is a Class C felony. A violation of subdivision (2) of this section is rape in the second degree which is a Class 1 felony. A violation of subdivision (3) or (4) of this section is rape in the third degree, which is a Class 2 felony. A violation of subdivision (5) of this section is rape in the fourth degree, which is a Class 3 felony. Notwithstanding § 23A-42-2 a charge brought pursuant to this section may be commenced at any time prior to the time the victim becomes age twenty-five or within seven years of the commission of the crime, whichever is longer.
.... Under a rock.... would be my guess.
If this guy can't explain or doesn't understand what rape and incest is or means to victims, I think this says a lot about this mans charactor... None of it good... Apparently he is lacking in something that some folks including holier than thou freepers like to refer to as a moral center.. Moral center, higher state of conscienceness or just common sense.. No matter how you want to put it, this guy evidently doesn't have it... Makes ya wonder how he got this far... Except for the fact that he's got an (r) by his name...JD
necadawg @ 75:
Pretty much the Golden Rule sums it up, L&P.
dennis @ 80:
Exactly. For those who need a reminder...
The Golden Rule
He who has the Gold, makes the rules.
Trickle down economics now has kidney stones.
necadawg @ 75:
It's DEFINITELY not the Bible, except maybe Leviticus. Republics don't buy into all that hippie New Testament crap.
A guidebook on pederasty might be necessary though.
Rape & incest, two core Republican values?!!
Cousin Vicki: I'm going steady, and I French kiss.
Audrey Griswold: So? Everybody does that.
Cousin Vicki: Yeah, but Daddy says I'm the best at it.
What do you expect?
Most Repubs are pedophiles.
I could direct Rep. Dykstra to several websites that feature videos of rape and incest actually being performed. I think they cost a few dollars a day to subscribe to, but it's well worth the cost.
What a complete dumbass. Think he's interested in the Presidency?
How are you going to define that?
If the honorable Dykstra would just bend over, I will help him understand the meaning of one of those terms. For the other, we will take a strolling tour of rural Mississippi.
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He's an idiot. He has no clue how many victims of rape, sexual assault, or chilld sex abuse and incest he is dismissing. There are MANY among us. Probably one in three women,one in four or five men, according to statistics.
What an asshole. I hope he enjoys losing.
Ruthless People @ 23:
Living in South Dakota myself, it is an embarrasement to know that these are the jackasses that support this state. It is not a barren wasteland, but an apparent haven for losers in the Republican party. Boy do I miss Tom Daschle!!!!!!!
Here's what I wrote back in April 2006, when Dykstra made that comment:
http://whaven33884.blogspot.com/2006/04/schools-in-session.html
Personally, I've always wondered what those cryptic words, "rape and incest" mean. Duh! Someone buy him a dictionary,. for starters.
rape [rayp]
n (plural rapes)
1. criminolog: forcing of somebody into sex: the crime of forcing somebody to have sex
Cryptic, indeed.
....Well I guess to define it, I would start by looking at the clearly defined statutes in criminal law. I know, I know, it's not like anyone at the government level reads them, because they clearly only apply to people who don't have an "R" after their name, but you asked, and I'm just saying.
Where do they find these drooling idiots? In the monkey cage with the rest of the rabid primates.
bmw 528 @ 94:
Dude - huge slam on primates from out of nowhere. What do you got against monkeys?
(/sarcasm)
Woops---sorry to diss primates--which compared to neocons are a very advanced lifeform! Actually Dykstra reminds me more of the Gorn lizard Captain Kirk fought on Star Trek which probably was hatched in a toxic waste dump.
bmw 528 @ 96:
Close - Dykstra is a dump.
Well maybe the next buzzwords are Dykstra and departure from office.
I'm ashamed to say he's of Dutch decent, as I am. Clearly he forgot his liberal roots.... and common sense as well.
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