Republicans. The party of hate. Honest Abe would never have thought.

BIllzebub @ 1:

Republicans. The party of hate. Honest Abe would never have thought.

I do think that Abe would have recognized today's ReThuglican Party for what it truly is......

The Party of Slavery.

Could the GOP be salivating because they know that Hillary, in spirit, is one of them.

Hate - it's what they live for.

There's got to be something seriously wrong with Juan Williams if he's willing to go on the air with three of the biggest flaks for the far right; Barnes, Kristol, and Hume. There's no chance of reasonable debate with these three.

Nice to see Juan Williams the Fox News house boy speaking up for a change. Harsh? yeah but that is all he has ever been to them and he has allowed them to run over him before. I have no respect for Juan, he is their enabler. He may think he is letting his voice be heard but truth is his presence allows them to put a fig leaf over their racism. In the end, Juan Williams is just another collaborator with evil.

And I don't get it. Why do they hate her so much? Does it all go back to her health care plan at the beginning of the first Clinton term? With Bush, you can point to a long list of policy failures, incompetence across the board, weaselly political scheming, etc. etc. etc.. The most emotion I can muster for Hillary is annoyance at what appears to be a politically calculating approach to every issue. But then, all politicians do that in one form or another.

America is suffering from a 30 year cancer. It began with Richard Nixon, and even though he resigned, the cancer was allowed to remain and grow and matasticize until it has again taken over OUR executive branch, and is infecting OUR legislative branch and OUR judicial branch.
Gerald Ford told the country that he had to pardon Nixon to heal the country, but what happened is what always happens if you ignore a cancer. It has grown out of control and must be eradicated if America is to survive.
Impeachment is the scalpel that the Constitution gives to congress to get rid of an out of control executive, or in this case, the entire executive branch, because the disease has taken it completely. Nancy Pelosi cannot take impeachment off the table, anymore than John Conyers can put it on the table (Stephanopolous this morning on ABC). The Constitution put impeachment on the table and there it will remain until a Constitutional amendment removes it!!!!!
It is the DUTY of congress to impeach when the executive branch has over reached its authority or has BROKEN the law. Dick Cheney has declared himself to be above all of the laws of this nation and MUST BE REMOVED!!!!! If he doesn't even acknowledge how OUR government system is structured or operates, then he cannot be left in office. George Bush has commuted the sentence of Scooter Libby who was convicted of obstruction of justice, thereby continuing that obstruction of justice and covering up his own and his vice presidents criminal activities. He MUST be removed from office.
The cancer is allowed to continue to spread at OUR peril. If it is not eradicated from the body, AMERICA WILL DIE!!!!!
It must be cut out of the body by impeachment, the leftover cells must be irradiated by prosecution and then the chemotherapy of justice and incarceration must be administered.
This is not an easy process, it is not a fast process, but it is a NECESSARY process to rid ourselves of the cancer that has nearly destroyed this country.
The cancer that John Dean spoke of over 30 years ago is still in America, and there it will remain with its deadly consequences until those with courage and honor cut it out and destroy it.

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Nobody is pushing Hillary more than the republicans. It is as though Fox News is trying to tell democrats that they must vote for her.

Hillary is in too many beds with the same people who have bought the republican party.

The cancer goes farther back than Nixon, foolme1ns. At it's heart the cancer is Eisenhower's Military-Industrial Complex. It is they, in collaboration with the NSA and other secret services, who have driven us into Vietnam and Iraq. It is they who have pushed for war without end ever since WWII. It is they who want a repressive undemocratic regime in America. Bush and the GOP and the DLC Dems are just their tools.

The end game is world conquest with their guns and tanks paid for by us. The end game is a never ending world wide authoritarian state. A boot smashing a human face, forever.

noen @ 19:

The cancer goes farther back than Nixon, foolme1ns. At it's heart the cancer is Eisenhower's Military-Industrial Complex. It is they, in collaboration with the NSA and other secret services, who have driven us into Vietnam and Iraq. It is they who have pushed for war without end ever since WWII. It is they who want a repressive undemocratic regime in America. Bush and the GOP and the DLC Dems are just their tools.

The end game is world conquest with their guns and tanks paid for by us. The end game is a never ending world wide authoritarian state. A boot smashing a human face, forever.

Didn't Eisenhower warn us of the dangers of the Military Industrial Complex on his way out the door? Obviously, noone paid attention.

The irony is that you will find a good many Progressive Democrats agreeing wholeheartedly with the Republican's who hate Hillary. For completely different reasons. The Republicans hate the Clintons because they are too much like Republicans and refuse to change parties --- in essence they Have high jacked the Democratic Party with the Republican lite agenda.

http://www.counterpunch.org/

"Juan Williams points out that this is ALL the Republicans have in this election: hate for Hillary"

I think they have a few other tricks up their sleeves as well. They're pushing the "English as an official language" strategy to turn out the base of bigots who dislike the Mexicans as a people, just like they used gay marriage in 2004 to turn out voters in Ohio. They'll probably continue with the anti-gay agenda in 2008 as well. I guess their ancient standby, the balanced budget amendment is pretty much dead. ;-)

I think Hillary is the most polarizing candidate that the Democrats are fielding, and will unite the Republicans. I'm hoping that Gore will jump in.

I'm getting the impression that Faux talking heads and the ReTHUGlicans are pushing for Hillary. After all, she is really a ReTHUGlican in Democrat clothing. Same pile of steaming corporate dung, with a D behind her name instead of an R.

#20 has it right. They are talking about what a boon HRC would be for the republican party precisely because they are scared to death of her. HRC is going to beat the pants off of them, and they know it. These guys are too smart to let a "look of glee" get "accidentally" caught on film. Every smirk, every "look fo glee" is artfully planned to make us think they are "salivating" at the thought of a Clinton nomination. They are quaking in their boots with the mere thought of a Hillary nomination.

Shouldn’t these people be more worried about who the Republican candidate is going to be? From what they have to choose from, I would be very worried if I were them.

Hate...it's what's for dinner!

...ok, moooooving on now.

Losing the WH to another Clinton and a woman no less, is the GOP's worst nightmare.

Republicans are not looking forward to '08 because more punishment at the polls is almost certain. Most likely, Dems will to add to their majorities in both the House and Senate and win the WH, regardless of who the D candidate is.

And as an added bonus, we'll tell Lyin' Joe Lieberman to take a hike since we won't be needing his services anymore.

Guybones @ 10:

Remember when the GOP was salivating over Howard Dean as an opponent? It wasn't true, they just wanted the press to push Dean as the poor babe in the woods the mean old GOP would love to murder in the election. Classic

However.. you cannot compare the two..

Their reaction to DEAN was an instant reaction...

Their reaction to Hillary is exactly what they have been planning for decades!

They have been calling the fact that Hillary is going to do what she is doing right now for around 15 years...

They have prepared for this for that long...

And while Hillary has certainly seemed to become one of them for many of us on the left...

They will pour out of the woodwork to "Vote against that bitch!"... 35 year old right wingers that have never even voted in their lives will drag their ass down there to vote against her...

And people like me ... will simply stay home and not vote... Or just vote 3rd party.. Sick to death of what the Dems have become over the last 25 years...

"We need to run someone with the name recognition like Al Gore.. Or someone who is actually on the LEFT.. Like Dennis Kucinich"

I got tired of listening to soundbytes and analysis of others, so I actually watched the Democrat debate hosted by Howard University and moderated by Travis Smiley, and Dennis Kucinich was saying more things I agreed with than any other candidate. Particularly with health care, Kucinich is in favor of single-payer with a Medicare like agency that has low overhead, versus the others who want to subsidize the insurance companies and their 30% overhead. Fact is, our health care problems won't be solved by simply shifting the payment to the government; something needs to be done to drive down the costs.

Let's all gently urge Juan to GET OFF THAT SHOW! He's still working to give them a legitimacy they don't deserve. Also, did anyone see Cristol actual giggling at the end over the Libby commutation. Daddy must be so proud of the political gravitas his son projects, (sort of like Cheny's).

Sad reality, but Hillary WILL UNTE the Rethugs, and unfortunately, many of us do not find her to be a good candidate at all. There are many others I would choose before that corporate shill, opportunist, power hungry and not representative of most of us Clinton wife. Women will vote for her because she is a woman--a truly stupid reason to vote for someone, their gender. I'll vote for the green eyed candidate, because I have green eyes. So does my cat, maybe I'll vote for her.

Americans are truly stupid people; they prove it every 4 years (2 years with the House of reps, the true political cretins in power).

georgia @ 42:

The annoying problem with boards like this and democrats are that will never be satisfied with any Dem candidate...if that person doesn't match our perfect idea of what a candidate should do/be we blow them off...hence statements like "I’m finding it very hard to get energized by anyone running on the Democratic side" or "I'm going to either stay home...or vote for the third party." As much as I love Al Gore, he has as many problems with the Repugs as Hillary...except they will just continue to make fun of him. And Dennis Kucinich just ain't gonna make it. Hillary isn't perfect but she is one helluva alot better than another republican, same for Obama and Edwards. All of which I will happiy vote for. Republicans will rally around whoever their candidate is because they want to win no matter what, democrats will piss and moan about our eventual candidate because we expect perfection and we will lose.

Perfection??

That is not likely on this planet...

As far as being better then a republican?...

Well I think I would rather have an obvious fascist in office, then have one in cognito...

Knowing all the gruesome details of what Bill Clintons policies have rendered on the earth... NAFTA, GATT, Dereging the FCC, and more... Would you vote for him again if this was 92? and you know that he is going to do what he did???

Before you knee jerk and say yes with your right arm extended at an angle in the air, with a crazed fury in your eyes...

Remember that Georgie could not do a fifth of the shit he has been able to do if it was not for the ground that Clinton cleared for him during his term... All you need to do is simply pay attention that every time they do anything fucked up... they say.. "Clinton did it too"

And while there is nuance... they are usually correct..

Face it.. the DLC sold us out... and the Mainstream Democratic party sold us out...

Why should we sell ourselves out by enabling them?

To win?

Now how different are we from the sociopaths social Darwinists on the right?

WE MUST WIN AT ANY COST!!!

VICTORY!

WAR IS PEACE!
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY!
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!

This just in comrades, Our boys have just won a major victory at the front... the East Asian hordes are all but broken! Rejoice in Victory!

Chocolate rations have gone up 33%

One more thought before I tick off too many people. I see a major problem in this country today with no viable alternative to our current two party system.

I hope my kids some day live in a country were those on the far left and far right actually have a voice and a party. I think we would all be better off if that happened. Then come election time for local/state and national races people could really choose what they want instead of trying to make a square peg fit into a round hole.

I have many friends on the far left and a couple on the far right. Their voices do deserve to be heard. Wouldn't congress be great if we had that kind of true mix!

rduke, yes I would still vote for bill over the last 6 years of fascism. I would still protest NAFTA, GATT, etc. I sure as hell would have rather had Bill or Al or even f-ing Kerry than another repug nitwit. Given the republican response to everything that has happened 911, katrina, this lovely global war on terror, the widening gap between rich and poor...yes, bill is still better (and look, my right hand hasn't even popped up once).

3rd party candidates are not going to start out at the national level...3rd parties will come up through the grassroots and local elections. That is where I think we need to start making changes that will eventually make third party candidates a mainstream idea.

Oops, I meant "Please show me where there is a far left of any prominence in this country."

I've never seen Hillary as electable. It's no wonder she is the Repub's candidate.

Last comment to rduke,

The problem between you and I is that you expect the president to make "real changes." I believe that whoever is president there will be no real change. Even if Kucinich were elected, he would not be able to make real changes. All we can expect at that level of government is incremental movement, and I think with a Dem that incremental movement will help more people.

Again, the place to really start mking changes is local! That is where 3rd party candidates can make inroads., that is where us mere voters can start to make real changes.

georgia @ 55:

Last comment to rduke,

The problem between you and I is that you expect the president to make "real changes." I believe that whoever is president there will be no real change. Even if Kucinich were elected, he would not be able to make real changes. All we can expect at that level of government is incremental movement, and I think with a Dem that incremental movement will help more people.

Again, the place to really start mking changes is local! That is where 3rd party candidates can make inroads., that is where us mere voters can start to make real changes.

So Bush makes "real changes" and I am supposed to be so outraged by it I should vote for whomever the Democratic party powers (the corporations that hold the reigns).. Tell me to vote for?? So we can have "real change"??

The only reason Hillary, Obama, and all the rest are held up to us as the ONLY front runners...is because they are paid by the very powers that we need to dismantle to get any "real change"

Kucinich would be able to make real changes because he is the only candidate that is really interested in making those changes... Getting us out of Nafta, GATT, etc... have you heard his stance on Environmental policy???..

Please go view... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls7beTVd8ow

Everything that he has listed in there is rational, sane...and most of all .. Well within the established powers of the President!.

That is the direction we need to go... And None of those other mealy mouth freaks we have to support even come close...(apart from Gravel..and at times Richards)

I totally agree that we need to initiate change on the local level...

And for the Record.. Kucinich is a Democrat... albeit not a Corporate whore Dem..

I think the left is waiting for a "perfect candidate" too. Every special interest group is pissing and moaning because Hillary doesn't seem to be 'completely' in their camp. #44 has it right. The only other point that I would add is that sure the right hates Hillary. Sure they'll do everything in their power to bring her down. But tey've hated her for over a decade. Trashie book upon trashie book has been written in order to trash her. They've investigated the hell out of her and come up with a big fat nothing. They've called her a lesbian (oh, the horror), they've said she was too passive a wife but too agressive a politician, they said she didin't like stay-at-home-moms and that she didn't like men yadda yadda yadda... AND SHE HAS SURVIVED. And she will survive. I mean, what ELSE could they possibly do to her? You'd be hard-pressed to find another person on the planet who has been as resilient as Hillary. If political experience is what is needed to get to the WH, she has it, hands down. If the wingnuts had anything new left to throw at her, they would have already done it. Hillary is one tough cookie and she will be our next president.

It reminds me of how the democrats basically rallied themselves. Remember the old, "Anyone but Bush!" ? Yea, that didn't work out too well ....

Let us not be blind. Democrats are capable of just as much hate.

Never under estimate the power of rallying up a whole, unseemly disorganized spread of people, by focusing constant hate and fear mongering on a single person, or a group of people or both. History has proven as much.

kaT @ 14:

james: did you see Sicko? Hillary is as DLC as anyone. She accepted the second largest sum of money from the medical lobbyists.

And don't overlook the $566,638 Obama took, which is 2/3 as much as Hillary. He'd have taken more, but he's not important enough to get it, yet.

Did anyone really expect them to have a true platform? This is what they do!

Hillary deranged? Sound like the foxholes are projecting again.

Hillary Clinton is the reason Michael Moore's SICKO is so sickening.

It was her health care reform initiative that gave insurance companies and drug companies control over the US health care industry.

I can never vote for her.

Until the sociopathic corporations that run this government are reigned in, you are not going to see any improvement in the erosion of our liberties or the health of the middle class, even if we manage to elect someone like Mike Gravel.

The combination of the following principles of our society are having a tragic effect on our Constitution:
1 - A corporation is an entity with rights and privileges protected by the constitution,
2 - Corporations no longer have any obligation to contribute to the welfare of society,
3 - "Lobbying" by former elected and appointed officials does not constitute influence peddling, and
4 - Money, specifically campaign contributions by lobbyists and corporations, are protected as "free speech" by the 1st Amendment.

Hillary Clinton is as much an embodiment of this effect as is Dick Cheney. I cannot vote for her, under any circumstances.

I would still like to know what "far left" is. People throw it around so often, but don't seem to have a definition of it.

georgia @ 72:

rduke, dude, you need to chill. What leadersare saying hillary is the best? I actually agree with you on kuchinich...but he ain't gonna be the nominnee. All i am saying is if next november hllary is the nominee for the dems, don't sit at home and not vote...she is better than the rupublican nominee.

I am chill... That is why I can see what is going on for what it is..

Leaders... As in people that lead others in a variety of ways, be it leading them to opinions, hype, politics, news..etc

Those leaders...

Those same people that say Kucinich is not going to be the nominee... But he is the best candidate..with the best real ideas...and a proven track record...

The entire point Georgia is that we are allowing ourselves to be caged in by who is this our that according to the talking heads checklist..

Well what the hell happened to Grass Roots?... They do not listen to us... Why the hell should we listen to them?

If it is Hillary as the nominee ... I am not voting for her.
If it is Obama... I am not voting for him
If it is Biden... I am not voting for him...

I am done selling myself and principals short .. DONE!..

If you have been at this site and frequented the comments sections I declared that I would go along this one last time and vote for Kerry... in part because he promised to fight to make sure every vote counted...

And what did he do?

The same thing that the Dems did when we gave them the house back... on the grounds of ending the war and investigating these scumbags in the white house...

And what did they do?...

How can we wonder why this happens when WE ourselves place the noose around our necks and stand on the trapdoor with our free will?

What has happened to us?

And no.. Hillary is NOT better then a repiglican... because she is a repiglican...

As I said .. I would rather vote for an obvious fascist ...then another one wearing freedoms clothing.

Holy crap! After reading these comments I'm ashamed. You're all acting like if she runs everything is lost. You've got to be kidding me. Come next elections there's no WAY another republican is going to get in, especially after Mr. Dumbus and Dumbus 2 that are in now. You know they're just going to dig their own graves further the more time they're in office too, so what's this crying about "Oh, she'll ruin it all. Nothing's gonna change! Hillary's as good as being a republican herself." Please. There's not a chance in hell.

If another republican gets in I'm packing up, giving up on this country, and moving straight to Canada. They have problems too, but at least they're sane.

kaT @ 14:
Who would you vote for?

SuperDuckyWho @ 74:

They're just trying to intimidate her not to run. Fear breads hate like that. All the democratic candidates I've seen so far are good in my own humble opinion, but Hillary's the only one that seems to have these kind of guys sweating over her running.

Sir, if you think the Repubs are "sweating over her running", then why do you think Murdoch is supporting her? Why do we have Bill Orally saying over and over again that the Dems might as well throw their support behind Hillary since she will be the one to win?

They want her to win.

Da Spyda @ 54:

All is moot if Gore enters the fray.

Gore/Clark 2008 is an unbeatable ticket!!!

That could work.

I say to all of those Republicans out there, bring it on. If the idea of President Hillary Clinton is the only thing you can get off your asses about and do something about Iraq and the disaster you've unleashed, then prepare to lose in 08. Being against Hillary Clinton is not an agenda. The American people will want more. And Hillary Clinton sure as hell will have more to offer than all of them put together.

"It was her health care reform initiative that gave insurance companies and drug companies control over the US health care industry."

Actually, according to the DVD Big Bucks, Big Pharma, privatization began in the Reagan Administration. Prior to Reagan, most medical research was funded by the National Institutes of Health using academic researchers. Reagan reduced that funding, and now, 90% of research is conducted by for-profit organizations, usually drug companies. Since the motivation of a for-profit organization is to maximize shareholder profits, the emphasis is on generating recurring cash flows through maintenance regimes instead of producing cures. That's a big reason why inflation in health care is double inflation in general.
http://www.mediaed.org/videos/MediaAndHealth/BigBucksBigPharma

SuperDuckyWho @ 75:

Holy crap! After reading these comments I'm ashamed. You're all acting like if she runs everything is lost. You've got to be kidding me. Come next elections there's no WAY another republican is going to get in, especially after Mr. Dumbus and Dumbus 2 that are in now. You know they're just going to dig their own graves further the more time they're in office too, so what's this crying about "Oh, she'll ruin it all. Nothing's gonna change! Hillary's as good as being a republican herself." Please. There's not a chance in hell.

If another republican gets in I'm packing up, giving up on this country, and moving straight to Canada. They have problems too, but at least they're sane.

everything is already lost and bought, numbnuts!

Clinton is not the ideal candidate, but she is surely the lesser of the two evils, compared to any of the Republicans. Really want a Republican making more judicial appointments? Not me. I'm not sure the next election will provide me with anything to vote for, but it's a forgone conclusion that the Republican candidate will provide me with something to vote against. I listened to one of the Democrat debates and any of them are better then the leading Republican contenders.

lol, most Republicans have already woken up that Hillary is the next President of the United States. It's done, it's over, get over it. They have nobody. They have failed at everything, lost both the House and the Senate and will lose even more seats come 08. They are in their own little fantasy land. Mitt Romney. Can't wait for that one. A Mormon nominee when their base is only Christian extremists. Guiliani? Guiliani couldn't be elected to pick up dog poop. Anti-gun, pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, three marriages, all of NY bashing the holy hell out of him, accused child molesting priest on staff, coke smuggler on finance, and in drag a million times. They cannot beat Hillary. No one can. Every time she opens her mouth her numbers go up. Not only is she backed by pretty much the majority of Americans if she wins the nomination, but women will flock to the polls in numbers so high, it will break records. Hillary knows this game better than anyone and she has mastered beating them at every turn. Time for them to be looking at the future and the mess that is the Iraq War. I just love hearing their candidates still screaming how we must stay in Iraq, lol. Keep it up shitheads!

The bottom line is, Hillary gets it done. Period! We need this now! No more effing around. The woman has bigger balls than any of these other idiots on both sides of the isle except for perhaps Richardson and one or two others. I've never been more impressed than seeing her debating live against these people and she was the only one who struck me as presidential. She now has doubled her lead on Obama and she outnumbers every Republican candidate. Their numbers keep going down against her. The fact is, Republicans are now known for what they are -- crybabies. People know Clinton was right and Republicans are a waste of time. In six years, Republicans have destroyed their party. That's is one major f--ked up bunch.

Yes, Hillary will unite the Republicans in hate. Good for us! Democrats and Independents are all that the Dems need to win. Pushing the 20-something percent of purist Republican voters into deranged Hillary-hating will turn off independents and help her win

I'm not worried either way, though I would prefer a Gore/Clark ticket as well.

[...] It is healthy and politically conductive to hate. [...]

The more they hate Hillary the more they will secure her chances for the presidency. She will be elected in 2008. The Republicans will just continue to make mistakes and things will only get worse for them.

Iraq and Bush are too much of a liability for the Republicans. They are toast.

I am not a big fan of HRC but I would vote for her if she is the nominee. And please don't give me this stuff about them all being bought and paid for by Corporate America. This is true to a point but suggesting that there is no difference between even a Conservative Democrat and the Republicans is crazy. Did you learn nothing from the Naderite "Gore is the same as Bush" lunacy. As for Murdoch - he has not idiology other than greed. He is just hedging his bets.

Methinks it harketh ill to paraphrase GOP talking points.

Come on, it's as clear as window glass.

Murdoch's investment tells it all.

Hillary is BY FAR the most defeatable of the Demos, she is LOATHED by most cross--overs and independents, she will get KILLED in the Midwest and drag down tickets like an anchor.

Rudy or Fred will be able to talk about Hillary MORE then the nightmare that Bush has created, their party gets a free pass from it, if Hillary is on the ticket.

And, the flip-side of the bet? Hillary wins?

Well, she is the most corporatist, and AIPAC friendly of the candidates, she is trying to move to the left, but, YOU ALL KNOW she is totally pro-Iraq war?

She's acting like Cindy Sheehan, but it elected, get ready for troops in IRAQ throughout her presidency.

But, more likely she will lose, drag down the tickets, probably ADD Republican seats in the Senate, and allow President Fred Thompson to appoint TWO MORE Alitos to the Supreme Court.

Wake up? Hillary is a win-win for Rupert and the Corporate 1%'ers, and a nightmare for the rest of us....