Don't hold your breath. Do they ever apologize? For anything...

My pvr is set to record the situation room today!!!

No, CNN won't apologize. There will be breaking news
with Paris Hilton or something that will distract us I'm sure.

Wolf Blitzer = Corporate whore, AIPAC whore, zionist trash. -- Anderson Cooper = Ex-CIA operative - Zionist symapthizer (see Israel/Lebanon CNN coverage -- what a joke) -- In short, Americans are so brainwashed and have had so much BS pumped into their heads for so long that they have lost the ability to think OR CARE. Mark my words - you WILL start caring in a few years. (Too little, too late???)

It's not libel unless than knew it was false and they still went with it.....Moore is a public figure. The standard for libel is more rigorous....

CNN still owes a correction....

CNN is a bastion of 21st Century American "journalism", so naturally I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for them to do the right thing here. I'm sure they'll portray it as the usual "he said/she said" controversy, which does just about as much to help their corporate owners as the original hit piece.

Print it when you see it.

I'll be on the lookout too.

By the way, that M. Moore appearance was great. Almost felt sorry for Wolfe.

Almost.

How's the right going to character assassinate this? Was that Looooooo Dobbs saying he's to the left of Chavez? What a dick. That's a good, old fashioned, high-school thing to say.

Where are the professionals? Where is the integrity? We'd have to wear surgical gloves to find it.

Will the big bad Wolf Blitzer apologize? Not by the hair on his chinny chin chin.

Joe Klein's conscience @ 15:

Zio-Sheep @ 6:

I know of Leslie Blitzer's AIPAC connection, but is Anderson Pooper really an ex-CIA agent?

Must be. His hair looks like it came out of a top secret government lab.

Perhaps if Wolf had to make an unplanned visit to a busy urban ER he would have a slightly different view of how great our system is.

I just watched the video over at michael moore's website...hilarious and fabulous. I am looking forward to Michael moore and sanjay on larry king. Moore will tear king and sanjay a new one tonight, unless they pull an o-reilly (fair and balanced!!) and cut his mic by accident.
Everything moore said about canada is true. Yes we have to wait longer, but when we get treated, everything gets treated no matter what your social or financial standing is. And the best part of the movie? Moore controls himself when it comes to politics...it's not about bi-partisanship, it's about taking care of each other. That's what the rest of the world does, why not america?

Actually, they'll wait till Wofie boy has a day off or two
and some sit in shill will apologize for the network,
releiving Blitzer from having to own up to his crap.

Scarborough telling Moore to lose some weight certainly isn't going to win him many new friends, since MM happens to look like the average blue-collar American. Is it good? No, but it is what it is and Michael represents the average US citizen moreso than Scarborough does.

Here's my question - How do you go on the air so totally unprepared unless you were trying to smear someone? If you don't know the facts then Shut UP!! If I went into a surgery as unprepared as Wolfie goes into an interview all of my patients would die on the table.

So, I guess that leaves us with 2 possibilities - Blitzer is a partisan hack or Wolfie is a moron. Which is better?

Demand an apology from CNN for Dr. Sanjay Gupta's biased report on 'SiCKO' and for helping the Bush administration lie us into a pointless war. You can find this at Moore's site send he makes it easy to send them an e-mail.

Thanks for watching CNN so I don't have to. I expect that any on-air corrections and apoplogies will be posted on C&L, right? So I don't have to watch CNN? That would be great. Oh and thanks for watching Fox news for me too.

The rest of you stop watching CNN and FOX and let C&L do it all.

I love the fact that Moore is so confident in his research that he threatens to actually sue people for trying to muddy the waters by calling him a liar. That's exactly what I would do. You should't be allow to just trash someone's work unless you are ready to prove it. It also makes people think twice to make sure they know what the heck they are talking about.

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CNN said this morning that Sanjay Gupta was in surgery yesterday when Moore was on. They also said that Gupta would respond to Moore THIS AFTERNOON on CNN.

Actually he did fudge a scene, while not necessarily a fact, with his donation to the losers at moorewatch.com. Moore was talking about one thing while showing different clips of non-related blog clips.

Creative editing on Moore's part, but hardly a misrepresentation.

J. Lebowski @ 36:

And let's also not forget--let's not
forget, Dude--that keeping wildlife,
an amphibious rodent, for uh,
domestic, you know, within the city--
that isn't legal either.

This aggression will not stand, man!!!

Chesire11 @ 27:

I just finished reading the transcript of both the interview and Gupta's piece which precede it. For the most part, the "inaccuracies" Gupta cited/alleged were pretty minor - mostly matters of interpretation rather than actual inaccuracies, but at the beginning of his piece and in his conclusion, he really hyped them up with things like "no matter how much you twist the facts..."

(Of course, it would be refreshing if CNN were to subject any of the Bush admins record to the same sort of scrutiny as they direct towards a movie, but I digress...)

What I found most remarkable about Gupta's commentary were the following statements:

"Americans have shorter wait times than everyone but Germans when seeking non-emergency elective procedures like hip replacement, cataract surgery or knee repair. That's not something you'll see in "Sicko" as Americans tell their tales of lack of coverage and suffocating red tape. "

vs.

In Canada, you can be waiting for a long time. A survey of six industrialized nations found that only Canada was worse than the United States when it came to waiting for a doctor's appointment for a medical problem.

So Americans are the second worst AND second best when it comes to lengthy waiting lists???

Suggest you click on "It's All Here" and read; then you will find an answer to your question.

battleaxe @ 42:

J. Lebowski @ 36:

And let's also not forget--let's not
forget, Dude--that keeping wildlife,
an amphibious rodent, for uh,
domestic, you know, within the city--
that isn't legal either.

This aggression will not stand, man!!!

That rug really tied the room together, did it not? Did it not!?

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Ellessidil @ 46:

battleaxe @ 42:

J. Lebowski @ 36:

And let's also not forget--let's not
forget, Dude--that keeping wildlife,
an amphibious rodent, for uh,
domestic, you know, within the city--
that isn't legal either.

This aggression will not stand, man!!!

That rug really tied the room together, did it not? Did it not!?

fuckin a it did! this guy peed on it-

A friend of mine who was on disability for seizures and a busted right shoulder socket committed suicide last Friday b/c he couldn't get any medical care. The system kept putting him off and putting him off. He told DHS 4 years ago that if they couldn't or wouldn't fix his shoulder socket, then he wanted them to cut that arm off b/c he was tired of the pain.

My cynical view is that Soc. Sec. disability wants to push people back and postpone and deny any actual services, hoping they'll die in the meantime. They got their wish. RIP Tony.

I'm hoping any correction by CNN won't "fudge" things. Moore provided all the links. They really should have done their research beforehand, but this was a hatchet job designed to placate conservatives. NPR did the same thing. Gutless.

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China executes former FDA chief.

All we as citizens want is impeachment for those that have caused the deaths of thousands at home and abroad. Our system is far too lenient.

http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...

JudyLou @ 52:

A friend of mine who was on disability for seizures and a busted right shoulder socket committed suicide last Friday b/c he couldn't get any medical care. The system kept putting him off and putting him off. He told DHS 4 years ago that if they couldn't or wouldn't fix his shoulder socket, then he wanted them to cut that arm off b/c he was tired of the pain.

My cynical view is that Soc. Sec. disability wants to push people back and postpone and deny any actual services, hoping they'll die in the meantime. They got their wish. RIP Tony.

shoulder pain does indeed tend to be unbearable- i have no insurance, and no money; i have a debilitating disease and have been suffering recently with shoulder pain (mostly nocturnal) and was told that i'd "just have to live with it"- and when it flares up i often wonder how long that will be possible; not only i'm i suffering excruciating pain, but i am losing way too much sleep.

that is a sad sick shame. sorry for your loss.

and i agree with your "cynical" view, though i don't think it's the least bit cynical, on the contrary it's likely quite accurate.

So when will CNN blast the "facts" in Coulter or O'Reilly's latest books before having them on?

* crickets *

Sanjay Gupta is claiming that the only fact that he got wrong was the per capita amount and then stated that Michael Moore should have put that figure in his movie. At least he mentioned that Michael Moore posted a response on his website. There will be a further discussion on Larry King tonight.

LARRY KING - GUESTS MICHAEL MOORE AND SANJAY GUPTA. @9p.m. est

I will definitely have my popcorn out for this.

Blitzer looked like a dummy caught in the headlights. May other journalists start reporting the facts as they come to realize you can't just report anything and not be held to account. I want to see others do as Mike did. I think we should encourage it so that the media can get back to what it was meant to do, report the facts.

Here is a phone number for Mr. Gupta. 404 827 5147
His assistants name is Ann Howard.

CNN apologize? Not when the next commercial advertises a drug for Restless Leg Syndrome or some other made-up disease. Do you think Dr. Gupta would keep his job if he told us that these drug companies create new diseases just to sell their pills? I doubt it. CNN -- the most busted name in news!

CNN has restless fact syndrome!

dr. sanjay gupta, wolfie, lou dobbs, etc. all the same bullshit. they only care about controversy (see, ratings); accuracy and sound reporting are for whimps.

this parrots lou dobbs woefully inaccurate leprosy statistic in his attempt to stoke irrational fears about mexicans. AND--when challenged on its accuracy (which it most definitely was NOT)--he states "if we reported it, its fact"

and that, my friends, is the state of cnn (i'm not even going to start about glenn 'wear da white woman at' beck)

J. Lebowski @ 56:

Leads, yeah. I'll just check with
the boys down at the Crime Lab.
They've assigned four more detectives
to the case, got us working in shifts.

Would someone ban this idiot already?

Hail to the Chimp @ 64:

Sanjay Gupta is claiming that the only fact that he got wrong was the per capita amount and then stated that Michael Moore should have put that figure in his movie. At least he mentioned that Michael Moore posted a response on his website. There will be a further discussion on Larry King tonight.

LARRY KING - GUESTS MICHAEL MOORE AND SANJAY GUPTA. @9p.m. est

I will definitely have my popcorn out for this.

Very Cool! popcorn and video recorder Hooooo!

I'm officially done with CNN. MSNBC all the way! Well, there are still some dorks on that channel, but Olbermann makes up for all of them!!

Isn't that Sanjay Gupta a quack spiritualist, anyway? How about his facts?

baby jesus apologizes for being a complete fraud since the beginning of time
or whenever baby jesus was created, either way

KC Star, Business section, D-15: Julius Karash's 'health' industry column uses the same tried and true and tired tact as CNN in dealing with Sicko's referencing St. Joseph's Medial Center..Karash ends with.. "Yes, our health-care system could use a lot of improvement. But no system is perfect and never will be." Ahh, the voice of the status quo, 'everything's imperfect, and so complex, so don't y'all bother'. St. Joseph's currently advertises their no-wait emergency room which is probably true since they've followed the market to the burbs and don't deal with the uninsured masses in the city. Even Adam Smith acknowledged that markets fail to produce some public goods. Thank you, Michael Moore, for a breath of fresh air... now here comes the strangulating 'invisilbe hand' of entrenched self-interest (as Smith would have predicted).

I teach 8th grade English and several years ago all our students had to write an essay about "someone they admire." I'll never forget one essay a student wrote about Michael Moore. It contained lines like, "When you got up at the Oscars and made that speech, it was the bravest thing I'd ever seen. Tell me what companies are bad, tell me what politicians are lying, tell me whatever - I'll believe whatever you tell me...."

meanwhile, Mr. and Mrs. John Doe are mesmerized by the journalism that is MSM. Will they ever be snapped out of it??!!

Did you guys see how red his face was. When he finally strokes out or gets type II diabetes from being so fat, do you think he will go to Cuba or France to get treatment?

[...] Link to Article sicko SiCKO’s Truth Squad Sets CNN Straight » Posted at Crooks and Liars on [...]

This just in: Sanjay Gupta is a douche.

"Da-Da-Dummmmmm" ...

"Tonite : A Three hour Situation Room Special!
That Baby Kitten is still stuck in the tree in Arkansas!! ...we have reporters standing by in the air and on the ground, but first lets check in with our Kitty-Cat satellite corespondent -- Bubbles, are you there?"

Islamic Rage Boy @ 92:

Did you guys see how red his face was. When he finally strokes out or gets type II diabetes from being so fat, do you think he will go to Cuba or France to get treatment?

hahahaha you called MM fat...Is that the best you can do?

IdahoMoe @ 99:

Islamic Rage Boy @ 92:

Did you guys see how red his face was. When he finally strokes out or gets type II diabetes from being so fat, do you think he will go to Cuba or France to get treatment?

hahahaha you called MM fat...Is that the best you can do?

Answer my question.

Rasputin @ 93:

Did the Word (Logos) ever say, "Good eeevening...I bid you velcome..."?

I draw from Pythonism (Monty).

From the gospel of Piglatinus 2:32, "essedba heta eesecha akersma"

Gort, Klaatu barada nikto.

Did the Logos ever say, "Yo, Word up..."?

Islamic Rage Boy @ 101:

IdahoMoe @ 99:

Islamic Rage Boy @ 92:

Did you guys see how red his face was. When he finally strokes out or gets type II diabetes from being so fat, do you think he will go to Cuba or France to get treatment?

hahahaha you called MM fat...Is that the best you can do?

Answer my question.

first of all, since michael moore made the film, he has taken responsibility for his health, and is committed to getting himself in shape. he has already lost over 60 pounds, doing the his part to avoid health problems.

secondly, what exactly are you trying to prove??? his point that he'd have to leave the [most wealthy] country [in the world] to get quality healthcare?

Michael Moore is a bit misunderstood. I think because he is viewed as a producer of documentaries, so people expect him to function so. He is actually more of a provocateur. His work isn't about cold hard facts, but more to make people think and to make people aware that we have been lied to about anything imaginable from our Government and big corporations for decades to further their hidden agendas. Universal health care is not perfect, but what is? The fact remains that the U.S. is supposedly the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world but yet we have one the worst health care systems of any industrialized nation in the world. Look at the fact a women died in a pool of her blood and vomit on the floor of an LA hospital ER while the only attention she received was a janitor cleaning it up. That is a more sensational example. There are people who do not seek medical attention because they simply do not have insurance because they cannot afford it. People have this annoying habit of eating a couple meals a day and making sure their kids are eating and are wearing clothes. People who work 2 sometimes 3 jobs at a time. If they can afford it is very limited or afraid to use it because the rates will go up. There are people who have insurance but because of some debilitating chronic illness just keeping up the deductible is enough to push them into bankruptcy. The bottom line is if you are not a member of the 3 to 5 percent of the wealthiest people in the U.S. you can't afford to get very sick without signing over everything you own to the hands of the state and you still won't get proper care. Something is wrong.......but this the United States, the land of contradictions.

The sad thing is that CNN will simply pour on the hate and bury Moore under whatever pile the right has dictated. They'll put a spin on the fact that they were called liars as well. The problem is not that they lied, it's that we noticed and pointed it out. It's that we dare call them on it.
It's our fault for catching them.
Then it's time to spin the public response. It's just a couple of moore-moonies making noise and link it to whatever the hate-of-the-week is. Voila. Reality averted.

All of the pieces I've read about “Sicko,” have what I find to be a glaring omission.

Not one mentions the comments by Tony Benn, a former member of Britain's Parliament. Yet Benn's statements probably are the most profound element of the film.

He notes, as other good people often do, that “if we have the money to kill (in war), we've got the money to help people.”

But, more importantly, Benn tells Moore, that all of Europe and many other places have good health care systems while the United States lacks such a basic service because in Europe and elsewhere, “the politicians are afraid of the people” when the people get angry and demand some action. In the United States, he observes, “the people are afraid of those in power” because they fear losing their jobs, fear being cut off from health care or other services if they speak up and make demands.

“How do you control people?” Benn asks, and he answers: “Through fear and debt.”

His point is that in the United States we have a great overabundance of both.

Having ignored Benn's succinct analysis, some of the writers, and especially Boffey, state as fact that Americans would reject out of hand any attempt to create a government-run universal health care system. They produce no facts to support the claim, so apparently they just “know” it.

Excellent Point!!!

Wolfe and Sanjay are going to be on Larry King tonight. Everyone, please call in and challenge them. Do not give them a forum to slam Michael unchallenged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, let CNN know that you think Michael had a point about the pathetic media.

110: Your question is a bit of a red herring. Litigation costs are a tiny portion of the bottom line on healthcare costs - the real costs in our system are the hidden costs of paying for indigent care. Look at Texas, where you now cannot sue a doctor for over $250,000 for anything. Since passing that legislation, have healthcare costs in Texas gone down? Have health insurance premiums gone down? Why no; both have increased. Substantially. My employer pays $700 per month PER EMPLOYEE for health insurance.

What limiting legislation does do, however, is enable doctors to actually stay in business in some states. Some southern states have such a foul litigatory climate that OB/Gyns have to relocate to other states where they are afforded some protection. So I am not opposed in principle to PRINCIPLED, carefully considered tort reform but if you think it's a major contributor to our healthcare mess I think you are just plain wrong.

A final question to consider: what increased costs do doctors endure dealing with insurance bureaucracy? How many people inside any medical practice do nothing but process paperwork?

hadenuf @ 117:

I'd like to know why, in the half dozen or so times I've been or have taken others to the ER, it is always exactly a 4 hour wait.

ONLY 4 HOURS? You lucky lucky bastard!

Corporatists
News
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I talked to a right winger yesterday about health care. We agreed it's broken, but he wants to blame it on anyone but who the big culprit is, doctors, lawyers. It's the insurance companies, the drs and lawyers are complicit, but without the insurance their power is gone.

Michael is a hero like Mark Twain, and they hated him too.

martin springfield @ #115

I did not say litigation was a large contributor to health care costs.
I was asking "how much did it contribute" . As per your example(s) it appears to be a minor contributor, at least in some states.

DO YOU WANT FREE HEALTHCARE? HERE'S HOW TO GET IT...

1. Put a sign in the back window of your car that says "UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE GETS MY VOTE". Make 9 more and pass them out to nine friends and ask them to do the same.

2. On the back of each sign write out this sight: www.eff.org/congress/

Instruct people to send an email to their congress person/senator that tells them that if they vote against universal healthcare, they will lose your vote.

You'd be amazed at how few emails it takes to light a fire under elected officials. It's Washington's most tightly held secret.

Healthcare is one problem the American people can fix with very little effort. Don't let Washington and the lobbyist change the subject or use fear tactics to keep us submissively in line. We can fix this problem!

Barrett D Says: Thanks for watching CNN so I don’t have to. I expect that any on-air corrections and apoplogies will be posted on C&L, right? So I don’t have to watch CNN? That would be great. Oh and thanks for watching Fox news for me too.

The rest of you stop watching CNN and FOX and let C&L do it all.

As much as I love this site, and agree with their positions and ideas, it's still not a good idea to just read C&L's selective clips as the gospel without doing your own research. As disgusting as the media is, it's important to understand what the rest of the population is being spoon fed so you know how to best present your arguments to them and to understand how they will fire back at you.

J. Lebowski @ 31:

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Thank you!

Michael Moore is a Hero with little to gain.

CNN is a "business".

Who do you trust?

Keep doing two mega-buck jobs poorly Gupta. When it comes to money, halfass performance is ok for carless self serving pig.

How can ya not love this guy ?

Since Gupta SPOKE the 'fudge' words, it's slander, not libel. But even if Moore sues him for slander, I'm sure there's enough money left in the Scooter Libby Defense Fund to cover his legal expenses.

Jesse @ 127:

CNN just played a clip of Sanjay Gupta apologizing only for the $25/$251 mistake. Otherwise, I wouldn't count on it, they wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds them. Fucking scumbags.

BOYCOTT CNN.

No problem. I could count the things I watch on television on one hand and news isn't one of them.

Michael Moore does meticulous documentation of every claim he makes in his movies. Every issue he raises is vetted by legal counsel so as to stand the test of legitimacy in any potential libel or slander suit. That's why he has never been sued - his shit would stand up in civil court. He prepares for that eventuality. If CNN doesn't issue a correction and apology, that's actionable for Moore. He ought to sue the pants off of them, the fucking propagandists.

Oh shit, Moore is going to debate Gupta on Larry King tonight! Get ready for a beatdown, this corporate shill is going down, and on his own network, no less!

SCHRODINGER"S CAT @ 111:

One issue that has not been discussed in this debate is teh cost of E&O insurance US doctosr have to carry.

The US spends $ 7000 per person on health care each year. What protion of that is needed for E&O insurance and what protion is needed by insurance companies to cover litigation costs .

You wingnuts have been using this BS to cover the butts of the insurance industry long enough:

Excerpts:

"New Report Shows Malpractice Insurers Price-Gouging Doctors and Driving Up Cost of Care"

Report faults excessive premiums, not so-called “malpractice crisis

May 24, 2007 (Washington, DC)— The American Association for Justice (AAJ) today released a report revealing the medical malpractice insurance industry has been price-gouging doctors through excessive premiums and needlessly contributing to the growing cost of healthcare.

Written by former Missouri Insurance Commissioner Jay Angoff, the study is based on recent annual reports from the top 15 medical malpractice insurers as rated by A.M. Best. The report shows that these insurers artificially raised doctors’ premiums and misled the public about the nature of malpractice claims – asserting that a so-called “malpractice crisis” exists. The report puts the lie to that claim.

According to the study:

* The medical malpractice insurers saw losses and projected losses plummet by 48% over the period 2003-2006.

* These incurred losses have declined every year for the past five years.

* These insurers’ 2006 surplus is 43% greater than their surplus in 2003 – five times the state-minimum surplus for insurer stability.

* Only three of the 15 leading insurers issued dividends to doctors in 2006.

“Medical malpractice insurance companies have been price-gouging doctors, padding their pockets with excessive premiums and driving up the cost of healthcare,” said Jon Haber, AAJ Chief Executive Officer. “Cynically, these same insurance companies have been blaming high premiums on a so-called ‘malpractice crisis’ that doesn’t exist. We have an insurance crisis, not a medical malpractice crisis.”

The new report also demonstrates the difference between two types of losses in the insurance industry – incurred losses and paid losses. The industry evaluates its performance based on incurred losses (which include projections of future payments) and not paid losses (which are actual claims payments). This report takes into account both paid and incurred losses, and shows that although both have decreased, malpractice rates for doctors continue to increase. “No matter how you look at it, doctors and patients are getting ripped off by the insurance industry,” said Haber.

http://www.atla.org/pressroom/PressReleases/2007/may24.aspx

Thank God for Michael Moore - I really miss having a source of real news. I havn't been able to stomach more than a few minutes of any network or cable news for a few years now. If wanted to hear from shills I'd go to the track.

Are you guys seriously calling Wolf Blitzer a Reich-Winger?? OMFG!! If you guys are suppose to be the norm on the liberal side then the world has definitely gone to hell and hand basket. WOW never thought i would see the day the CNN was called Reich-wing. WOW.

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