Thank You Senator Landrieu
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Jul 17, 2007 8:15am
As the Republicans rallied behind President George Bush and his failed war policy during last night's all-night debate on Iraq, Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA) finally broke away from Holy Joe and breaks one off in them, giving one of the most passionate speeches of the night. The Republicans have been calling Tuesday night's debate a "stunt", but Landrieu sets the record straight and takes them to the woodshed. This is a long clip, but it's worth it.
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How many other senators decided to step up to the plate like this? Anyone...anyone...
This is all well and good, a very passionate speech.
Much better than the backpedaling and excuses she made during questioning on Hurricaine Katrina. Remember her on Anderson Cooper where she said she wasn't angry at anyone, she didn't come out and demand the president take action.
But previous actions aside, this is what we need, someone to uphold the constitution and say what needs to be said.
Well done.
The best part is when she's asked if she will yield for a question, and she replies "No, I will not."
Sounds like this is one senator who is hip to the games the GOP plays and wasn't about to give them an opportunity to derail her statements or the sentiments it inspired in those who heard her.
Why is this not the norm from the Democrats?
Wow another dem getting a backbone. Maybe it is finally sinking in with them that 70% of the public agree with them so maybe it might be more politically correct to stand up for sanity instead of corruption
It's too bad that the air conditioning didn't go off and the temperature reached 130 degrees. Then maybe the Republican senators would start feeling the real heat of the issue.America has spoken and is speaking. Stop the war! We Americans are not defeatists or cowards. The war was wrong from the start.
Yes, she did do a good job, however, Sen. Mendez from N.Jersey gave the
best of ALL speeches and did an excellent job of telling our side of this debate.
As a side note, you know what really makes me angry and pisses me off...well
it's a fact that here in Austin, Texas not ONE word in our local paper this morning
covering this important news. WTF
That was very nice. However, I am beginning to think that they know exactly where OBL is and they aren't looking for him and never were.
We are in Iraq to secure the oil fields and to establish a "western presence" and so Mary Landrieu really lost me when she started blabbing on and on about the war on terror. I also wonder what change of direction she's talking about if she isn't calling for us to get out of Iraq?
But other than that, it was lovely.
and then Holy Joe promplty put everyone to sleep
I also made an archive of this clip for anyone who wants to see the whole thing or share it:
http://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=8d314ed8-57a0-4427-...
Good for her! And she is right, this isn't Hollywood.
and then Holy Joe promptly put everyone to sleep
I second that. I saw Mendez's speech last night and he was outstanding. He mentioned pretty much every point you could in opposition to the occupation. I think he even touched upon the contractors and the selling of Iraq.
Senator Landrieu still thinks we should stay in Iraq, keep that in mind.
Cosette @ 8:
I missed Menendez speech ... can C&L post it?
Wait a minute! I listened very carefully to Sen. Landrieu's speech. She said SHE IS NOT FOR A TROOP PULLOUT!!! She just says "fight smarter", "change direction", "higher reward money to capture Bin Ladin". She even says stuff like "get tough".
Merely a lot of words to attempt to cover up that she will NOT support a troop pullout from Iraq.
If you don't believe me. Listen to her again.
Clytemnestra @ 16:
I too would like for his speech to be posted here on C&L because I'd like to see/heard it again and have other do likewise, however, it was
at least 24 minutes and I doubt that it can.
Hey guys -- did you hear the latest? We captured another "senior member" of AQ!!! I feel MUCH safer this morning!!
She looks like she knows how to really use the woodshed.
Near the end (about 3/4 of the way through) her speech, Landrieu specifically says "I'm not advocating a troop pullout".
I have said my share of negative things about Landrieu based on her votes with the Repubs at times, But. My. God. She tore a strip off those bastards last night.
Dr. Acula @ 19:
But, on the other side of the ledger, the Nat. Intelligence Commission released it's
report that says we have failed miserably in containing AlQaeda and that our military
stratagey is flawed and that we are losing ground in our fight against AlQaeda
Senator Landrieu is dead wrong, Senator definitely doesn't know what this fight is all about. It's about the future of our country, it's about the future of your children and grandchildren, and it's all about control of oil. It's not about Bin Laden, it's about oil. If you my esteemed Senator has not learned that since you are in office, then you are truly a fool and easily duped. And now, you are trying to dupe the entire country into us losing control of oil.
The only way to fight this war on terror is to go with the President's way, spread the fight to Iran, so that we can control more oil.
Whew! That's sure good news Dr. Acula. I guess they can change the wording in yesterday's NIE. I guess we do have them on the run and all that jazz. At this rate we should have them all wiped out by dinner time.
Landrieu is an expert at jumping on the train at the last possible moment. I don't think she took anyone "to the woodshed". She is part of the problem and has been all along. While I would like nothing better than to see this miserable war brought to an end, I don't think Landrieu or any of her cohorts have the sand to get the job done. And I think it is sadly ridiculous to deny that this is a stunt while having your flunky hold up grade school posters while you are making that denial. Every last one of them should be thrown out on the street....in Baghdad
This is why I don't feel compelled to go to the movies, or watch teevee.
This political stuff is entertainment and theatre enough for me.
It's all a show. Nothing will change, except to get worse.
Senator Landrieu did a great job against the mouth-breathers
So was anybody watching at around... 1am or so eastern time, when, after a quorum call and a sgt at arms vote, Reid stood up to announce that there would only be two further votes- one around 5am and one at 11am.
What in the HELL is the point of enduring a filibuster if you're going to tell the opposition when you plan to call for votes!? If that's what you're going to do, then it really IS nothing but a publicity stunt.
I am really getting sick of this man.
pissed off patricia @ 25:
POP and Dr.Acula: Yes the MSM is at it again...covering bush's ass with their
usual and customary BS about capturing "one" AQ terrorist; but fail as they always
do in giving the viewing/reading auidence the facts about how we have continually
failed in our efforts to curtail the AQ activities....
Great, now for the rest of the week we'll have a bunch of dizzy headed Senators doing stupid things because of sleep deprivation.
J @ 30:
Sorry, I missed that quorum call...WTF...if debate/filibuster commenced at 3:00PM EST
yesterday, it should not end, and have a vote, until at the earliest around 8:00PM today
if the 30 hour time-frame is to be enforced..
Now I feel kinda bad for caling her office and having such harsh words concerning Congress's performance. Maybe she's one of the very few in Congress who genuinely gives a rat's ass... FIRE EVERY INCUMBENT!!! (Except maybe maybe Sen Landrieu...)
Now, to all the other members of Congress:
See how it's supposed to be done? Having a spine can actually be quite liberating. You fat-cat politicians should try it sometime.
Although (as usual) I don't agree with much of what Sen. Landrieau said--the emphasis on bin Laden, the lack of withdrawal--I did like her making the points that this was not a stunt, but rather what the the Senate is supposed to do: their job. If they don't stand up for themselves and their perogatives, who will?
Left Behind Advocate @ 24:
If your comment isn't meant as sarcasm, then I have this to add. We can control the oil in Iraq and we can grab the oil in Iran and it won't mean shit when al Qaeda takes control of the Pakistan government all with Pakistan's nuclear weapons. Once al Qaeda have nukes along with missiles, say goodbye to Isreal and the oil fields of Iraq and Iran and all our military that is wasting time and money in Iraq.
Georgette Orwell @ 36:
I hope that somehow, someway on C&L or YourTube, Sen. Mendenz's speech is downloaded,for his is much, much, much superior to Sen. Landrieau's. It is quite
evident that many posting on this thread did NOT see/hear his outstanding talk.
Pelosi should call Landrieu just to find out where she got her spine!
IMPEACH NOW!!!!
Da Spyda, "spine", are you kidding me? Landrieu said do NOT pull the troops from Iraq. (The rest of her speech was designed to pretend she was advocating otherwise. The Dems are as bad as the GOP.)
Bradley @ 17:
I caught this right away too. Lets not forget what BushWacker said about a year ago that "Osama Bin Laden has nothing to do with our presence in Iraq." That would have helped her argument substantially. She's almost there...but not close enough. I honestly didn't think it was that good. It's still scary to me that some dems still want to go after OBL. WTF hello? he's not the leader....we're only led to believe that. If you want to read some really scary shit released this week PLEASE read this....it's idiotic and insults my intelligence as well as I hope everyone's on this forum.
http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20070717_release.pdf
yes, a passionate direct speech. still, she left room for debate. she states that she is not asking for immediate withdrawal, she empahsizes that. that is her stance and that opens up debate. i feel that staying there a day, amonth or a year longer serves no purpose. many thousands more iraquis will die, many hundreds more american soldiers will die, and it will only foster the growth of the terrorist groups in iraq and throughout the world. but she has stated her case forthrightly and it is left open for debate. isn't that what we are all about. this current admin and the republicans would shut down all debate and just leave the decisions up to the decider. is that what we as a country have come to: it's not a democracy, it's nota republic, it's a monarchy. get used to the ring of King George, the loser.
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am i that much smarter then these senaters? if that picture is what bush looks like with a beard and a turbin , then yes alkida attacked america, bush the man of many faces and the senate the face of stupidity!
Doggiebobo @ 33:
Reid said that he picked the 5am and 11am time frame so people could have plenty of time to attend the morning prayer breakfast and steering committee and whatnot, come back, vote again, and then everyone could move on to other business. No, I wish I were kidding, but I'm not.
Although he didn't state this aloud, I'm presuming the 1am-5am moritorium on voting was so they could all go pull out their cots and catch some Zs.
The spineless twit has vindicated every single right winger who said that this was only for show and didn't mean anything. It didn't.
In light of what Landrieu actually said (and didn't say), the heading of this thread should be changed from "Thank You Senator Landrieu" to "No Thank You".
God Bless You and thanks for telling it like it is. You were great! I watched you live last night and was moved to tears.
Linda, apparently your tears clouded you from seeing that Sen. Landrieu actually said our troops should NOT be pulled from Iraq!
You all are reading an awful lot into one sentence. It seems to me what she meant was an immediate withdrawal as opposed to a slow, phased one.
Jay Says @ 45: That is indeed, if factual, evidence that the entire Senate hearings
was only intended as a "dog and pony show" and the twits on "our" side of the aisle
are equally as dimwitted as across the aisle. Another apparent example of how the
people are being mislead/deceived into believing we have some balls and are willing
to go to the mat.
It should be noted that Joe Lieberman was inserted in a republican slot last night when he spoke. Gawd I hate that smirky/cocky/pathetic man with every ounce of my being.
why KILL Osama bin laden? why didnt landrieu say that we should TRY him in an international court?
J, no we're not, in her entire speech, she really says nothing but "this is not a stunt", "get bin Ladin", "new direction" bla bla bla -- but when the rubber meets the road, she sticks in "no troop pullout" (to try and bury that, with her long before and after comments -- trying to "sound" tough but not really tough.
No, J, YOU are reading too much into her speech.
Well it seems that good fortune has seemingly once again jumped up and bit Preznit War Pig right on his drunken ass. A senior Al Qaeda boss was captured and has been in U.S. custody since July 4th. Now isn't that ESPECIALLY convenient for the War Pigs. Apparently he is also singing like a little birdie, making it even more convenient.
Jerry, please stay on topic.
Mitch McConnell is now heaping praise on Joe LIE-berman for his leadership.
Opps, sorry, had to go to toilet and throw up.
Clinton doesn't support a pullout either. A lot of democrats don't. They support moving a smaller number of soldiers out of sectarian conflicts and into stand-by positions to deal with foreign terrorists and to assist in training, special ops, etc. Are you going to lambaste all of them too? It seems like a perfectly reasonable approach to me. Bush is one irrational extreme, the other wouldn't be any better.
And the topic is Sen. Landrieu's supposedly "good " speech which was really a cave-in to the GOP.
Doggiebobo @ 51:
I wish I had some recording of it to show you, but alas. I'm sure the minutes are posted online somewhere.
sh@dow @ 34:
I do hope you are talking about the tyranny that Bush and this administration have imposed on us. I have adapted the Declaration for the present. I hope you enjoy this.
http://myfightfordemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/07/new-declaration-of-indep...
J, so you're saying leave our troops in Iraq for a while, just move them around?
Landrieu = Another Democratic graduate of the John Conyers and Arlen Specter School of Poker Four-flushing.
"I'm not for a troop pullout."
Gawd, screw this maniac and the horse she rode in on.
I hope her inaction during Katrina that continues to this day causes her to lose her next primary election.
sh, please stay on topic, Landrieu's cave-in to Bush on leaving troops in Iraq.
Bradley @ 63:
I do not intend to speak for Jay...but if you watch/listen closely to what the Reed/Levin
proposal contains, that is exactly what they too are wanting....leaving troops in Iraq for
a time period certain, but moving them "out of harms" way and instead use for training
the Iraqis forces, securing the borders, etc.....
Well then Reed/Levin is just for "show" or "stunt", like Landrieu -- with NO real impact. And that's the problem with the Democrats. No spine to confront Bush!
Bradley @ 66:
YOU are not the sitemonitor...If someone is way off topic, he will do what is needed.
Don't be sooooo narrow minded and judgemental as to what can or cannot appear on
this thread.
Bradley @ 63:
*sigh* No, you're drawing them down over the course of a year or so until there are only maybe 20 or 30 thousand left stationed not in cities and engaged not in police duty but stationed in remote, neutral locations and deployed only to deal with foreign combatants and render training, aid, and general assistance when requested by the government of iraq.
To simply all leave tomorrow would be irresponsible and childish and show we are taking no accountability for the nation that we tore apart and the mess that we made, just like we did to aghanistan in the 80s.
sh, so you agree that Landrieu and the Dem all-nighter is just theatre! I buy that.
On the other note; I'm looking, and it seems as far as I can tell that the word-for-word minutes for this morning haven't been posted yet, understandably, but as soon as I can obtain them I intend to send them to C&L, and I would very much hope that they will choose to make a thread about it.
Bradley @ 68:
It is quite clear and evident that you have no clue as to what is contained in the
Reed/Levin proposal, if you did, you would not be making such stupid statments.
I'm sorry to keep bringing up all these different things in one thread, but I would also just like to point out that senator DICK Lugar has been voting -no-.
Doogie, you are wordsmithing Reed/Levin and nothing more. Reed/Levin is an attempt to show something is being done while NOTHING IS REALLY BEING OR WILL BE DONE BY THE DEMS.
Dear Lord, even the morning prayer is right-wing.
"Strengthen them, that they might not be weary in pursuing a worthy goal, for a harvest only comes with hard work and perseverance... "
The Dems want it both ways, sound tough against Bush, but set things up so they really won't take action against Bush in Iraq.
I keep seeing these posts about the democrats being spineless. Who out there is going to call the republicans spineless. They are the ones that follow this administration lock step, into every disasterous decision it makes. They are the ones that keep repeating the lies of this administration. They are the ones, that now, won't let this vote happen. They have obstructed every thing the democrats have tried to pass. We should be putting the blame where it belongs.
Roll call is now underway as to continuing
Ron, the GOP may be on the wrong side, but at least they have the spine to stay with that wrong side.
Ron @ 79:
Because the ONE thing you can say about them is that they aren't afraid to stand up and say exactly what they think of the war and of anyone who opposes them, and they aren't afraid to do whatever it takes to promote their agenda.
The democrats meanwhile, can't be bothered to hang all around all night trying to break the filibuster because they have to get to breakfast. God forbid they should miss a meal! It's such hard, grueling work after all, and it isn't as if they could afford to bring their own food with their 180k salary.
Despite the cat calls on this site, that was an impressive speech.
I would just say to the folks who are so quick to criticize it, at some point, we need to applaud those who are willing to take us in a better direction. It seems to me we're like kids on a road trip, whining "are we there yet?"
Bradley @ 81:
You thik it takes spine to say, yes master, whatever you say. That is not spine, my friend.
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bamboozled, I would agree that the speech was "impressive" in the way of sounding like it's tough but not really being tough. Impressively clever by Landrieu -- playing it safe, both ways.
Well by your standards Ron, if what the republicans are doing exhibits lack of spine, then what the democrats are doing exhibits lack of a central nervous system of any kind.
Ron, the GOP is showing spine because the War IS unpolular, and they still stick with Bush.
Thankfully I read Bradley's comments here before clicking on to Landrieu's speech. If not, I would not have known that she was against the troops being withdrawn from that abattoir in Iraq. This morning NPR had John Warner saying on the Senate floor that he wanted to make sure that the troops did not die in vain. Carl Levin, like Landrieu, assured him that there would be no precipitious withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq. Levin might as well have assured Warner that more troops will be returning to this country in flag draped coffins and even more of them returning in wheelchairs because they have been maimed and crippled all, despite Warner's belief, for no justifiable reason whatsoever.
It is a chimera for the Democrats to claim that they are the anti-war party. If Kucinich does not get nominated, then it would seem foolish to vote for a Democrat. All the more reason for progressives to cast their vote for a third party candidate in 2008. Bring those troops home safely-now.
I would rather the Dems be accused of having no spine, than to have a spine like the Repubs which bush plays like a slinky.
If your idea of solving the problem THAT WE CREATED is to leave the country completely tomorrow, then you're little better than the man that got us there in the first place.
Bradley @ 88:
Spine may be defined as having an independant thought and being able to express it, instead of being a follower. Even if you are a republican, you should be able to think freely and express your opinion.
Well. Nothing like a rehash of 4 long long years by Landrieu. That old oooold leaden feeling in the gut is the same at it ever was...same as it ever was.
7 long long years same facts, no discoveries, no breakthroughs, not one moment of uplifted sense of progress.
This is like watching the same train that never left the station and just talking about it.
And once again, the lies have it, the lies prevail, death and despair prevail.
Fuck them all.
funny, it only seems to be a "stunt" when Dems do it!
Ron, I believe you have it backwards. The Republicans continue to support the unpopular war and the unpopular Bush, that is, despite the war is unpopular and despite Bush is unpopular and weakened, precsiely because they are showing spine -- as wrongheaded as that may be.
Mary is not perfect, but she at least better than that other thing La. has for a Senator. Did Diaper Dave have enough guts to get on the Senate floor last night?
Pete Bogs @ 95:
Refer my above posts. Reid never had any intention of seriously trying to break the filibuster, and he all but admitted as much on the senate floor at 12:30 or so this morning.
J @ 92:
That's what the IRAQIS WANT!
Or do you presume to know what's good for them better than they do?
Please.
Regardless: Nothing has changed.
Sassy, the problem with Landrieu is that she is PRETENDING to be against our staying in Iraq. So we are being denied an honest opposition to the War in Iraq. She is taking the space of a real genuine war opponent. And THAT is worse than doing nothing.
Bradley @ 88:
Afraid to dissent from herr dubyah is hardly possessing a spine.
Anonymal @ 99:
Oh my my my, god forbid you should be tasked to actually READ what I said in the first place. I said that a small number of our troops should be left in a position to deal with foreign terrorists and interfere in Iraqi affairs ONLY WHEN THE GOVERNMENT OF IRAQ ASKS THEM TO. You don't think we owe them that service after rending their country to bits for no apparent reason? How callous and irresponsible can you be!?
Bradley @ 96:
Republicans support agendas, right or wrong. They don't use the freedom of speach that our forefathers and the troops that are fighting now, believe in. They do not express their honest opinion. Which would you rather have, honest opinion or an agenda.
SassySandy @ 97:
Diaper Dave is still too busy blaming the media and Clinton for his "sins".
J @ 104:
You mean callous and irresponsible like attacking a country that couldn't and didn't attack your own?
Did I misunderstand Reid's(D-Nevada) vote of "NO"...is that correct?
Final vote was 52 yeas and 48 nays....so issue is DEAD meat since
60 votes not obtained.
Ron, I didn't say the GOP had the correct agenda, merely that they had the spine to stick with an unpopular agenda.
Marry me, Senator.
I've had a "crush" on her since she said she wanted to punch the president.
A beautiful, intelligent woman who is shoving it back in the "Rape-ugly-kins" and W's face.
Wow.
Bradley @ 109:
Reich-wingers don't have a spine. The fact that reich-wingers are afraid to dissent from herr dubyah and Rush Limbaugh and Faux is proof they have NO spine.
Dr. Matt @ 107:
*scratches head*
Yes, actually. Thank you for making my point for me. Glad to see you've come around.
J @ 104:
Every US soldier should leave ASAP. We are seen as occupiers.
The UN can handle all the duties that you mention.
As for our responsibility, we should send money and accept refugees.
The UN doesn't seem to want to be involved. Until they change their minds, the fault is on our own heads and it's our responsibility to help.
Bradley@100, not one speck, dust mote of genuine anything has come of this. We have wrung discussion dry of meaningful content.
To suggest Landrieu was pretending, I'll use the most overworn banality our language has to offer, "whatever".
Her heart is in the right place, but I find that her propelling of the propaganda about OBL taints the whole thing. I hate to say that OBL is a non-issue, considering the scope of problems we are facing with this war, but I said it anyway.
J @ 113:
Sorry, I don't do reach arounds. Ask Foley or Diaper Dave, I'm sure they will help you out.
Nonetheless, I you didn't have a point to make in the first place. We shouldn't be in Iraq in the first place and the Iraqi people do not want us there (that is why they are killing our boys). Leaving our troops in a hostile land where we are not wanted is obtuse and unAmerican. We don't belong in the middle east; that is a fact.
And I would add that it will be difficult to get the UN involved, seeing as China and Russia, who both have security council vetoes, would be very likely to say "you broke it, you bought it", as a way to shame us and for us to expend more resources.
Sadly...they'd be right.
Bradley @ 109:
Many of these republicans have expressed in private that they disagree with the administration and then go to the senate and vote against themselves. That is not spine, it is cowardice.
J @ 115:
I am sure a US departure will get them interested. Russia, China, France and Germany especially.
There is nothing more anti-American than leaving our troops in harms way as a sad attempt to correct the failed policy and failed war of the reich-wing and herr dubyah.
Well Matt, thank you for elevating the debate...
Yes, I agree, if there were a time machine we could hop in and stop this country from ever going into Iraq to begin with, that would certainly be a very ideal solution to the problems at hand.
Do you have a delorian in the garage you aren't telling us about?
Reid is such a wimp....talking currently out of his ass, speaking about "continuing
the fight" to get redeployment of troops...BUT in reality with the 60 vote rule, it
is and will continue to be impossible for the Dem's to accomplish what we want...
such being "impossible" because of the obstructionst on the other side of the aisle.
The Repigs continue to stand behind their man(bush-lite) and it is that Party who
is guilty.
cleo @ 6:
Damn right we're not! But it is defeatists and cowards that pick a small weak non-aggressor nation to invade and rob for private corporate gain.
ok, this was a great clip - BUT why aren't we talking about the 14 permanent bases (4 Mega bases, 1 Mega Embassy) - it seems to me that the crooks behind the war have no intention on leaving, EVER. They want to spread bases in the Middle East like they have spread the other 750 + bases in the other 130 + countries. Why arent we talking about the permanent bases?
Anonymal @ 121:
Again, I think russia and china would very much prefer to see us bogged down. Especialy russia, seeing as many of the actions they pursue hinge on similair doctrines of unilateralism. I don't think they'll vote to involve the UN.
Yes, thank you for conveniently forgetting how you voted on H.J.RES.114 back in 2002 . Too bad so few people who hold such hatred of the current administration aren’t doing their homework. Was she stupid and wrong in 2002 and courageous and right now? Tough to say you forgot to close the gate after the horse is out of the barn. You can’t have it both ways by omitting the inconvenient truth.
By the way, if Congress and the Senate had listened to Nixon back in the early seventies, we wouldn’t be here now, funding terrorist with revenue from oil sales! Before anyone casts anymore aspersions, ask yourself, what have you been willing to sacrifice… your SUV, your plane trip for vacation, your cruise? How about the temperature of your house in the winter or summer, are your doing without AC, or lowering the heat in your home to 60 degrees to not use as much oil and gas? Or did your nice new home come at the expense of trees which would be absorbing greenhouse gases, and your nice paved or cobbled driveway eliminate green space which helps offset radiant heat transfer.
All I hear is whining with no sacrifice, and “talking point” “sound bites” made simple to aid your digestion.
doggiebobo&sh@dow, that's why we have to approach this thing from the outside, both sides of the aisle need to throw their equipment on the pile, turn in their nametags and have power returned to the states through each AG.
The parties are like twins adjoined at the head.
Call in the goddam surgeon.
Dr. Acula @ 19:
Would that be the one we supposedly captured last month, or the one we supposedly killed four months ago?
Woohooo!! The paid trolls from the governments propaganda unit are out in force today aren't they!!
Thank you Senator your speech was a the money but you wasted your breath the RACIST NAZIS COMMITTEE (RNC) has only one thing in mind the destruction of the USA and its CONSTITUTION. You must remember these TRAITORS that wrp themselves in the flag and if they had 10 tongues could NOT speak the truth. These TRAITORS that support mayhem HATRED and DELUSION. These TRAITORS who have FAILED to adequately supply and PROTECT or troops, these TRAITORS (republicans) who put the bottom line in front of out troops, these TRAITORS who asserted the sacred oath of PROTECTING the CONSTITUTION for the bottom line of a P/L statement. These TRAITORS (republicans) who have the audacity to attack Americans because of a difference of opinion, these TRAITORS9 get the message their republicans) who falsely accuse miss direct and lie then FAIL to take accountability for their actions. These TRAITORS, who are whore mongers and thieves liars and scum. These TRAITORS that NEVER served a day of MILITARY SERVICE Please HOLD the RACIST NAZIS COMMITTEE (RNC) accountable for its CRIMES and the CRIMES of the bush CRIME FAMILY. These BIGOTS and self loathing RACIST must know that America has had enough of their DO NOTHING FINGER POINTING GUTLESS.SPINELESS, COWARD and TRAITOR acts. The republican party is a PARTY of TRAITORS
Both Sides of the Story, sorry, pal. It's the same old story. Only now the corruption is completely entrenched like terminal cancer.
Maybe mother nature will give us a culling of the herd so the repugnants have nothing to dominate and make grotesque and twisted in despair.
I really do hate them all and everything they do, beyond any wooda shooda dink from 30 years ago.
OR, we could give power back to the states. We need to cancel, decline, zero out, go back to square one.
disgusted@130, you don't have to yell. We know. We know.
A one time fluke for Mary. She'll have regrets in the morning as she rolls over and sees that Holy Joe has left her bed. She'll be on the phone begging for him to return in her best southern belle.
She has forgotten about having to be reminded by Anderson Cooper that rats were nibbling her constituents as she praised and thanked her collegues while she was ignoring the horrific results of Katrina.
Put her on a balcony in New Orleans and throw her some beads.
really? Y'all are serious? This is supposed to be a good speech? It's mitigating at best. Responds to the oppositions attacks without any offense at all. I suppose we should be happy just because she actually said something in response? Feh. If this is the best we can do we're fucked. She offers no real alternatives, goes nowhere in exposing the hypocrisy of the rapeublicans. Her last little "we support the troops because we support the troops" was rhetorical vanilla pudding. If this is what you all take for good argumentation I'm moving to France.
jackrabbittrbocks@135, book my family a flight while you're at it, eh?
Rove is such a lowdown, dirty rat, my guess is he has incriminating information on all of the members of the GOP. Why else would they continue to support Bush's failed policy?
Jonathon @ 3:
I think we all agree that the best part of her "debate" is when she is asked to give up the floor, and replies "No, I will not." Other than that it was the same old same o.
(Unknown) "Mr. President, will the Senator yield for a question?"
Senator Mary Landreiu: "NO, I will not"
Way to go, Mary.
Others:
"(Bush) hasn't read the NIE report for two years!"
"The other side says, why should Congress have anything to say about this? Because the Constitution says we should."
"Intelligence report provides a focal point for policy makers. That would be me, I ran for the job, I'm elected, I'm here to make policy, and I intend to make it."
Loved the Bin Laden wanted poster: "If we stop spending $500 million a day in Iraq, maybe we could find him, because he's not in Baghdad!"
"I hope that nobody comes to my state or here on the floor of the Senate and accuses me of not supporting our troops in uniform, because I will have several words for them!"
Lets hope her fellow Democrats write these words down, memorize them and spit them back in the faces of their opponents.
i don't believe the dems anymore. they're refusal to directly engage with bushco and their pathetic timidity when they have nothing to lose -- except elections right? -- is becoming their new manifesto. they admit the prez and vp broke laws but impeachment would be a hassle. how? who in this county would fight them on it besides the dwindling 26 percent?
meanwhile habeas corpus, harriet miers, gonzales, cheney...and more empty dem actions. this is what democratic purity trolls bring forth.
Left Behind Advocate @ 24:
Yet another FAUX news listener heard from. Christ, what an asshole.
Perpetual war for perpetual oil, is that your reasoning? Go look up the synonyms for Armageddon: doomsday, the final battle, apocolypse. The all mean the same. Because sure as God made little apples, if we enflame the whole world, it will burn us down as well.
"Don't pull out... just change directons..."
Hey, momma, no problem!
You're right, Landrieu did say she doesn't support an immediate pullout... But let's be fair... The amendment she offered yesterday (to step up the hunt for bin Laden and other key al Qaeda) *did* call for a reduction in combat troops in Iraq -- limiting their mission to the same role as most other bipartisan proposals... *including Levin's!!!!* If you're cool with his amendment, you can't say she's wacky for opposing an immediate pullout... Her amendment is on her Senate page... http://landrieu.senate.gov
Thank you Sen. Landrieu, that was a beautiful thing. Put the smack down on those Chickenhawks. I bet McConnell eve liked someone talking so directly and assertively to him. He probably got turned on....sick bastards, all those Repubs.
Mug @ 145:
141 Mike
You forgot Ragnarrok and Kali Durga.
The Iraq war will involve our children and grandchildren. They'll be saddled down with the bill long after we've buggered out of the restaurant.
The Rethugs. are going to lose their shirts in the next election, so let the wingnut idiots be on the record of backing Dumbya and continuing to sacrifice our troops over the White House lies and utter incompetence.
Anonymal @ 114:
Sounds good. I'm so tired of comments claiming the troops should be out of Iraq "now". This is much more realistic. We should be pressuring Republicans to open up discussions with the UN. It's in no one's interest to let Iraq descend into anarchy. Can we get the UN involved? How soon is a withdrawal of US troops practical? To whom do we send money and how is it's use to be monitored? (Something I admit I had not considered before this).
I certainly agree that we should be accepting refugees. Should we also be assisting refugees in reaching the US?
Both Sides of the Story @ 128:
Well, we should have been researching and implementing alternative energy sources. Bush came to the WH promising that it was every American's right to use as much oil as s/he wanted. (Remember the whole drilling in the national park issue?) He has continued that policy. It's not as though Cheney has any interest in alternative energy sources.
Given the instability in the Middle East, we should be doing everything reasonably possible to decrease our reliance on foreign oil. While some of that can be done on an individual or corporate level, real change requires government intervention. Why not simply pass a law that requires all vehicles sold in the US to use alternative energy by a specific date? I'm sure there are other ways to do it.
crazylove @ 134:
Um...to my mind, that means writing off a lot of conservative states....Shortly you wouldn't be able to get an abortion south of the Mason Dixon. Also, how does that work for foreign policy? Does each state make its own?
more empty words. just positioning herself to appeal to her constituents. Did she vote to withdraw funding? Does she support leaving Iraq and stopping the murdering (on our part)? Until she does that, just more posturing and hot air.
Until they call out Bush and Cheney for the real reasons we are in Iraq, I have no respect for any of these lemmings. You cannot discuss policy with those guys because it is not policy that drives or motivates them. they are doing exactly what they want, and getting the exact results they want. As it always is, it is about money and wealth (and no, they are not the same).
Hot air. Her speech was nothing compared to what any pissed off American with half a brain could say about the war and the administration and the politicians (like Landrieu) who have enabled Bush. What a disappointing speech. If that's the best we got, we truly suck.
I watched Landrieu give this speech last night (it helps to be on the west coast), and was both very impressed and very moved.
The speech didn't do anything at all for me. I heard her say a "change" is needed, not a withdrawal. Excuse me Senator Landrieu, exactly what type of change would be 1) successful; 2) viable and 3) make a solid difference? Yours is just another loud voice with no action plan. And putting up OBL's picture and saying we ought to be looking for him was really lame.
Who cares where he is - he's not the one who allowed our own civilian aircraft to fly all over our country without doing anything to protect the country from the resulting destruction on 9/11. No accountability in any of the three branches of our government has been/ still is the problem and is really what is destroying our country.
What should be said is ALL political incumbents will be voted out in each election starting with the next one. That way, no more chance for anyone to become "locked in" by lobbyists rather than their constituents. You vote as the majority of constituents tell you to vote or your gone.
Pass the word and make your voice heard. Each incumbent representative, Repbulican or Democrat, shall be phased out in each election from here on out - just like they've helped phase out American jobs.
Landrieu is a flake. She is one of the most phony politicians ever. If you guys really bought her fake emotions in her speach then I feel sorry for you. You are easily fooled. She has her finger in the air and follows the wind. You can cheer her vote but please don't confuse that with her motives.
Jonathon @ 3:
I loved that moment too. She's my senator and a welcome antidote to the news coming out about our other one...Vitter. You go, Girl!
What a joke, she is soooooo serious I am sure. She sound so naive and trying to appeal to the folks who are naive. I see right through the game and I know they are BOTH for the war (Dems and Repubs) they BOTH serve banks, oil and the military industrial complex. They (Dems and Repubs) are different wings fighting for power in the SAME PARTY. Ron Paul is outside that circle along with Kucinich and Gravel. Think with your head people and vote for those who are not corporate controlled.
It's about time, but given her willingness to jump into bed with the rethugs I have to wonder...
Maybe if OBL had tried to assassinate Bush senior, we would not have gone into Iraq. George Bush is a dumb-shit of monumental proportions guided by an adolescent understanding of the world. He really could have cared less about the innocent civilians, firefighters and first responders in the towers. Maybe if his mom and dad were in one of those towers, we would not be in such a deep vat of crap.
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