Corn counters crazy Kristol
Over the weekend, William Kristol wrote a transparently ridiculous WaPo column praising Bush’s presidency. He began his love letter, “I suppose I’ll merely expose myself to harmless ridicule if I make the following assertion: George W. Bush’s presidency will probably be a successful one.” And sure enough, Kristol was ridiculed relentlessly by those who’ve been conscious over the last six years.
But The Nation’s David Corn’s response was particularly good.
On Sept. 18, 2002, he declared that a war in Iraq “could have terrifically good effects throughout the Middle East.” A day later, he said Saddam Hussein was “past the finish line” in developing nuclear weapons. On Feb. 20, 2003, he said of Saddam: “He’s got weapons of mass destruction…. Look, if we free the people of Iraq we will be respected in the Arab world.” On March 1, 2003 — 18 days before the invasion of Iraq — Kristol dismissed the possibility of sectarian conflict afterward. He also said, “Very few wars in American history were prepared better or more thoroughly than this one by this president.” He maintained that the war would cost $100 billion to $200 billion. (The running tab is now about half a trillion dollars.) On March 5, 2003, Kristol said, “We’ll be vindicated when we discover the weapons of mass destruction.”
After a performance like this — and the above is only a partial review; for more details, click here — Kristol, a likeable fellow, ought to have his pundit’s license yanked. But he’s back again with a sequel: W. will be seen as a wonderful president. His latest efforts should be laughed off op-ed pages. But in the commentariat, he’s still taken seriously.
As Kevin put it, "You'd think that would have been enough to embarrass Kristol into lying low for a while. But, of course, you'd be wrong. Very, very, wrong."
The great flaw in our culture: punditry is aristocracy, not meritocracy.
You cannot embarrass someone who is devoid of shame.
Propagandists cannot be embarrassed. It's not like they don't already know they're peddling lies.
Billy boy must have divined that information by gazing at his tiny and minuscule kristol balls.
These people don't get embarrassed because they have no shame. When you're on the take and that's all you care about, that's how it works.
Has this man been asleep for the last 6 years, What part of Dismal failure does he not understand, This administration will go down as the most corupt in history, Who knew that lying cheating and stealing were the familiy values he was talking about
Jesus H. Christ in a green hat! How consistantly wrong do you have to be to discredit yourself as a 'political Pundit'?
Maybe I should get into that racket.
Jim @ 1:
it unfortunately, is also mediocrity...
I enjoyed Corn's takedown, which was thorough and detailed.
Some day we can all look back at this time and have a good laugh...like the way we look at the era of Lenin..or maybe the best comedian of all time ..Hitler. Time has a way of smoothing things over and causing us to ponder things like 'what would the world look like if the fascists won WW2'. I think I can hear the loved ones of the dead Iraq war victims right now....laughing their asses off. Thanks mr Kristol.
Bill Kristol is an enemy of the state. An enemy of the people. His loyalties are lovingly located in Israel. When he is arrested for treason this country will begin to heal from the infection brought to our shores by neocon interlopers who would destroy our army, our treasury and our moral for the benefit of the state of Israel!!!
mullah cimoc say fake free press of usa twist brain of ameriki people.
cbs the neutralized, nbc and abc both the pro war propaganda each day.
learn how usa agent controlling the tv station: inside the company, a cia diary by phillip agee (dated but relevant-banned book, available for used bookstore online.
ahora usa media him never mention these two word: "neocon" and "weapon mass destruction". why? A: because everyone to remember him israeli spies (neocon) lie usa into war with fake wmd intel. now never mention perle, wurmser, feith, et al.
but kagan of "surge" am him neocon? A: yes, and father too. but him so fat and cannot move. him mental sick to have such the fat body.
some stupid ameriki so pride want kill iraki for no reason even if all the lying of usa government and controlling usa the israeli spy.
this same ameriki so blind not see usa be destroy while him leaderss fiddling the song:
now in usa cheeseburger and fry costing $9.65, plus tax. nice home for the family 500,000 dolar now cheap price. But usa govt say not the inflation
Woman of ameriki too many slut whore of take LBT (low back tattoo) sex every man even the gang member. (in waziristan these gang member get beating and father beated also, and if not repent-- kill both). usa woman not bear the child. just take the meth and the abortion for kill beautiful baby. so sad and not the justice-but have the new car and the cheese nacho of 711.
this mean whitie of ameriki him extinction coming.
but still to love the kill and torture. why him not understand the destroy coming.
Kristol is a giant neocon whack-a-mole. Keep your hammers handy. Maybe one day he'll break.
This is Kristol's job. Create controversy, cause action, sell issues.
He would like to thank you all for your support.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
I wore a uniform for four years. Kristol you useless piece of shit; put a uniform on and go to
Iraq and put your money where your useless cowardly lying scumbag deceitful murderous
hypocritical calculating whoring perfidious (excuse the redundency) ass is.
Bob Roberts @ 3:
Actually the best propagandists don't know they are lying. Usually the first person they manage to fool so totally is themselves. The best ones believe their own bullshit.
Kristol must smoke good crystal meth!
David Corn is the man. Kristol is an ass-licking, stain-chewing douche bag. I believe he loves to stir the pot with liberals, except, that it is costing our lives, our treasure, and our reputation. Heckuva job, Wee-Willie.
yeah!!!
If the program the neocons and Bush are on is one and the same, the message is always going to be the same from both. Kristol is part of the problem. We can't expect him or Bush and their agenda to be able to solve the problem.
To make things easier and to save time, people should just print what Kristol has gotten correct in the past 7 years. But then again, how exciting can it be to look at a blank screen or piece of paper?
William Kristol is like Bagdad Bob. he knows that everything he says is a lie, so it doesn't make any sense to engage in a thoughtful argument with him since he already knows he is lying. He knows just as well as anybody else that Bush is inept, but he must continue spitting out lies and deciet as fast as he can so we can finally go to war with Iran which is his ultimate goal.
How do you embarrass someone who doesn't have a conscience?
Less like Bagdad Bob and more like Dan Marino on NBC Today. The guy is like 2-14 every Sunday and yet they still ask him for more picks.
The problem I have with the whole Iraq war is that the people who fucked it up are begging us to let them continue to run it while blaming us for it being fucked up. I'm not sure what I did wrong.
So here it is America. You fucked up on Iraq. You had better let President Bush fix it. He's the right guy to do it. If you can't see that you are a partisan anti-patriot.
Billy Kristol gives me hope. Look how patheticall wrong he is all the time. If he can be so bad at his job and still stay employed, I have hope. By the way, I'm going with Bill Maher on Kristol, "Why don't you sit this one out, Nostradamus."
David Corn:
" . . . Still, Kristol advises, stick with the "surge," train more Iraqi troops, and all will be well. The United States has already spent $19 billion training 346,500 or so Iraqi troops and police officers, and now merely six battalions -- down from 10, according to Gen. Peter Pace -- can function independently. That is, only 3,000 Iraqi troops are operating on their own after all this time and money."
Good Christ. $19 BILLION to train a net number of 3,000 Iraqi troops.
That's $6,333,333.00 per active Iraqi soldier. That's . . . fucking mind-boggling.
sometimes I just feel like giving up. There has always been a zombie class all throughout the ages. People willing to get taken advantage of by other people through lies and falsehoods. If we've gotten to this point in our society where we have a constant stream of information and access to news 24/7, and people STILL are this easily manipulated, I don't think its even worth fighting for justice anymore. I'm pretty tired of fighting to bring the soldier home, only to have his wife tell me that I hate America and the troops. At this point, maybe Bush is right. If people are this naive, maybe I should join him and start a religion or something like his buddy, Sun Myung Moon. That's probably a real moneymaker. Then i'll funnel money to politicians so I can pretty much do whatever I want to get a pardon or maybe a sweet ambassadorship somewhere. After all, apparently laws exist only for some people in society. If you're a bush buddy you can pretty much commit treason and not spend a single day in jail. Hell, thats true even if your a democrat. The only people that will be hurt are the one's who call me an America hater for trying to bring their families home. Getting their husbands and sons killed so oil stocks go up is apparently what they love. So why not just give them what they love, and buy some oil stocks along the way? Apparently there is no justice in the world, why not roll with it?
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Does Baghdad Bill have children? If so, draft their asses and then lets see how pro war this neocon chickenshit really is.
kristol is just sucking bush/cheney's ass because these dictators plan to stay in office for a very long time, like take over. no 2008 elections and seize all funds of all citizens who are not of course, repugs.
I'm tired of Kristol getting so many high profile gigs. He's never been right, never is right, and never will be right
Ciant Gock, apparently Baghdad Bob really did believe what he was saying. In a totalitarian regime like Saddam Hussein, everybody is afraid to tell the leader bad news.
I'd like to point out that David Corn was the only one in the MSM to notice the signifigance of Bob Novak's column outing Valerie Plame.
As for Kristol, he is the head Chickenhawk!
Kristol is right. From his neocon point of view the Bush presidency will be a success.
Because of Bush/Cheney, the USA is now irreversibly on the ground in the Middle East.
That has been the goal all along.
Ciant Gock @ 27:
I know it seems hopeless, but don't give up . You reminded me of an old Jewish proverb that I heard once of an old righteous (not to be confused with self-righteous) man who lived in a city where everyone was sinful and selfish. Every day he would go out and beg them to turn from their selfish ways and to repent. No one ever listened. One day, some one went to the old man and asked him, "Why do you bother? Can't you see no one is even listening to you? You're wasting your time. Why do you continue with this foolishness?"
The old man looked at him and answered, "If I stop, then I will join them, and become just as sinful and selfish as the rest of them."
Don't give up. There are more people out here who are opposed to this system than you realize. What they don't want is for us to get together and get organized. Because they realize that if that ever happens, then they are finished. That's why they want to make us think we are alone. That's why they are working so hard to get control of the media. (look at how few corporations control the media outlets).
It's why they want to distract us with "Paris Hilton" and all the other nonsense.
And above all, to make you feel like you are alone.
But you are NOT. Hang in there. Talk to your friends. Organize. Call and e-mail your Congressmen and Senators so often that they know your name. Same with your local State legislators. Agitate.
To quote the Good Book, Don't curse the darkness, spread the Light. (and don't fall for the belief that Mr. Bush represents Christianity. He has an extremely warped version of it, to put it mildly)
This presidency will be rated a success. Why? w and dickhead will not be impeached. Simple, politics is so shitty and so 'fuck the country' 'I need to be re-elected' and fuck that 'goddamn piece of paper' the constitution that every single one of these self serving pieces of elected shit will bring this country down so the new feudal system can go into effect, instead of going out on a limb and at least attempting to bring down the worst excuse for a human beings, w and dickhead; they will allow and encourage and even send them off into the sunset at the end of their 2nd term with a parade of honor for the great work they've done. Why? because everyone of these people do NOT want to give up the power that w dickhead have created for the new president to enjoy. And that is if w dickhead don't have some of their private contractors come over here and put together a terrorist type of attack so the dictator card can be pulled into play and w dickhead won't have to leave office after all.
Remember, the corporations are pulling the puppet's strings.
John says:
But you are NOT. Hang in there. Talk to your friends. Organize. Call and e-mail your Congressmen and Senators so often that they know your name. Same with your local State legislators. Agitate.
To quote the Good Book, Don't curse the darkness, spread the Light. (and don't fall for the belief that Mr. Bush represents Christianity. He has an extremely warped version of it, to put it mildly
I would call or email my congressman but he is a die hard true red to the core republican and where I live that will just give him a name to visit some type of lumberjack justice on my world because he is doing god's work and ridding this world of vermin that irritate his subservients in his district.
to quote Ahmad Chalabi (in reference to the hyped-up case for war):
Q:Many people [in the U.S.] who supported the war no longer do.
Chalabi:Yes.
Q:They feel that they were suckered.
Chalabi:Yes, probably.
Q:They say so.
Chalabi: Okay, I mean, I don't--
Q: Well, I mean, you know, half the people now feel that the war wasn't justified on the grounds that it was argued for.
Chalabi: Okay.
Q: Do you feel any discomfort with that?
Chalabi: No. We are in Baghdad now.
Kyle @ 16:
Maybe. I thought effective propaganda was based in cynical manipulation.
You can count on Kristol to be consistently wrong. The only news channel giving him airtime is FAUX NOIZE.
Since the circus left Florida, FAUX has become the new clown college.
I read that rebuttal and by and large I agree with you--it was very well written and thoughtful. However--what on earth made David Corn call Kristol a "likeable fellow"? He is a smug, smirking, arrogant liar. What's likeable about that?
Wow! Who knew that drinking Kool-aid was worse than chain-smoking crack cocaine? We need some commercials to educate people. "This is your brain. This is your brain on Kool-aid."
This kind of tripe is why I no longer read that propaganda ragsheet.
Helena Montana @ 41:
Maybe he meant to say that Kristol is a smug, smirking, arrogant, likeable liar? ;-)
My favorite Kristol TV appearance was on the Colbert Report, where he was cut to pieces with a blade sharpened by his own hypocrisy. Ah, Stephen, all pundits and politicians should be required to submit to an interview by you!
I guess the WaPo missed the show, or they would have printed Kristol's column in a special "For Idiots Only" section.
I looked up "Dumb-motherfucking-retard" in the dictionary and there was a picture of Kristol and Bush.
Kristol a month or so ago said on C-Spans Washington Journal he would be happy to come back on the show to sit across from Bill Moyer and discuss issues
Oh please dear God, make it happen
The reason krystol has been lying low was because he was passed out from all the corn squeezins he done drunk.
Kristol is a desperate Neocon and mentally ill, pathetic loser.
That dingbat Kristol also said that Shias and Sunnis would not be at odds with each other. He said those who suggested that were into some type of "Pop-sociology." How do clowns like he and Novak still warrant any attention?
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