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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/18/22435/0365
L.A. Confidential @ 1:
Now, that's sleazy! But hardly surprising. Good thing these people shower everydayin order to wipe the slime off...
The dems just Caved on FISA!!!!!!!!!
Senate vote gives temporary boost to Bush's eavesdropping power
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/3/214054/5347
sadAmerican @ 3:
What a bunch of losers.
L.A. Confidential @ 1:
This was on the radio the other week.
Notice that the shakers and movers are all 20- or 30-something people. THEY are not just doing their jobs, but undermining ALL of our futures.
All of them are scum. I worked in a corporate environment that had these types in them. As long as they felt safe in their own jobs, they had no problem destroying the careers of others (exporting jobs to India and China).
Its all over, as mentioned above ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070803/terrorism-surveillance/
congress folded ... they should be disolved. There is only one branch of government, the emperor.
The democrats did this in the 11th hour on friday to cover themselves. The nation is lost.
I think it is time for people to start being good bushies for their own safety. I think he is doing this as cover for what he is about to do - whatever that is ... god help us.
I was thinking about our founding ... the French citizens were in the streets decapitating nobles ... in the US it was a militia NOT a popular uprising as in France. In France, the nobles were unsafe everywhere from the people ... in the US, the british were safe everywhere from the people ... today in France the government fears the people ... today in the US the people fear the government...
... I see a pattern.
Its over.
I agree the senate are wimps but the house is working on a dem bill that is different then the senate. Bush is trying to get the house to do a bill like the senate's. Call your congressman and say no.
Bush keeps screwing over Louisiana.
Is the stock market finally waking up to the fact that we're a debtor nation?
sadAmerican @ 3:
And you just LIED.
I rearranged the quotation (from Kos) to point out that the LIE "the Dems caved" is in fact yet another example of how the Blue Dog Dems are NOT on our side, and how the usual suspects NONE OF WHOM ARE OUR LEADERS did their usual bit.
We do not control the entire party, nor do we control the entire Senate. To call the results of those facts 'caving' is LYING to serve your disaffiliated (=lazy) leftist (=hysterical) propaganda.
The latest screed from arch-disaffiliated leftist Chomsky contains a major lie in the first paragraph, when he claims that the Dems can't end the war because they voted for it. Which is a LIE. House Dems voted SIXTY PERCENT NAY, with change of leader (to Pelosi, first minority leader of her gender in US history). The Senate Dems split their vote, with a slim majority voting Yea. If you look at the list of those Senate Dems voting Yea, you will see this same list as above, with the addition of Webb of Virginia, who has on this day joined the wrong side of the party, for reasons he will have to explain to the blogistas. Probably as a junior Senator he felt he had no choice, but to take this ONE defection and consider it "the Dems" is to LIE.
*PLEASE STOP LYING.*
Paul in LA @ 10:
Please stop painting those whose emphasis differs from yours liars. While you are many things, you are not a standard.
Thanks
anon @ 7:
What defeatist tripe. And again with the exaggeration ("the democrats"). And again with the false attribution of evil intent ("to cover themselves").
Here's a clue: the Blue Dog Dems have not supported the anti-illegal Iraq invasion side FROM THE START. They did not, therefore, do this to 'cover themselves,' since they are exposed by their support of that policy going back five years now. Therefore your statement is a lie, a false attribution, incorrect.
Rasputin @ 69:
Webb was a particularly big disappointment in this sell out!
anon @ 11:
The standard is the truth, and that is not found in these statements of propaganda ('the dems,' 'the dems caved,' 'it's over,' 'the nation is lost', etc.).
So I am not painting you as liars -- I am pointing out your lie(s) and asking you to stop lying. Stop spreading hysterical memes which are not true, are in fact counterproductive, and which serve NO ONE except those who have no real interest in politics, and only want to dress in crepe and bewail our fate.
Paul in LA @ 14:
You assume we are wrong in our conclusions relative to yours and that you devine our complete sentiment.
Keep your irrelivent judgements to yourself. I repeat, you are no standard. Your pronouncements drift aimlessly past dissinterested ears.
Thanks
I have sorted the list to show more details:
Voted for Iraq Resolution:
Evan Bayh (Indiana);
Tom Carper (Delaware);
Dianne Feinstein (California);
Nancy Mary Landrieu (Louisiana);
Blanche Lincoln (Arkansas);
Bill Nelson (Florida);
Ben Nelson (Nebraska);
Mark Pryor (Arkansas);(Yea-voted? Missing from wikipedia lists)
In Senate, did not vote for Iraq Resolution:
Kent Conrad (North Dakota); (flipped)
Daniel Inouye (Hawai‘i); (flipped)
Barbara Mikulski (Maryland); (flipped)
Not in Senate in 2002:
• Bob Casey (Pennsylvania);
• Amy Klobuchar (Minnesota);
• Claire McCaskill (Missouri);
• Ken Salazar (Colorado);
• Jim Webb (Virginia).
Of course, some of these junior Senators are big improvements over the R Senator they defeated, even if they still vote wrong on many issues.
anon @ 15:
The truth is not irrelevant.
TWENTY-THREE Dem Senators voted NAY on this bill.
That's two short of half.
For you to overgeneralize and not recognize the actual situation is YOUR bad behavior, not mine. Don't listen if you like -- but if I see you lying about this, you can expect correction.
Feinstein is a particularly disgusting Senator and should be trashed ASAP!
In addition to selling out on the FISA laws, she has now begun back peddling on the Ballot Integrity Act. At the same time she decides this is good policy we were greated with three headlines this week:
1. Paid Hackers in California cracked all of the e-voting machines.
2. The ballots from the 2004 election in Ohio that were ordered preserved by a Federal Judge have suddenly gone missing.
And Now...
CA Source Code Report: Diebold Voting Machines Can Be Hacked With Virus by Single Person, Affecting Entire Election
REPORT FINDS PAPER TRAILS NOT SUFFICIENT TO SAFEGUARD A DIEBOLD ELECTION!!!
Diebold Election Systems Inc. voting machines are not secure enough to guarantee a trustworthy election, and an attacker with access to a single machine could disrupt or change the outcome of an election using viruses, according to a review of Diebold's source code.
"The software contains serious design flaws that have led directly to specific vulnerabilities that attackers could exploit to affect election outcomes," read the University of California at Berkeley report, commissioned by the California Secretary of State as part of a two-month "top-to-bottom" review of electronic voting systems certified for use in California.
The assessment of Diebold's source code revealed an attacker needs only limited access to compromise an election.
"An attack could plausibly be accomplished by a single skilled individual with temporary access to a single voting machine. The damage could be extensive --- malicious code could spread to every voting machine in polling places and to county election servers," it said.
...
"A virus could allow an attacker who only had access to a few machines or memory cards, or possibly to only one, to spread malicious software to most, if not all, of a county's voting machines," the report said.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135461-c,onlinesecurity/article.html
So now we find out that a single hacker could turn the election nation wide... this is the time the Senator Feinstein decideds to back off on the Ballot Integrity Act???
Even I am wrong in the above.
If Kos is correct, TWENTY-SEVEN Dems voted NAY-- a majority of the Senate Dems.
And, as noted, House Dems will likely also vote NAY in the majority.
So how is that 'caving'? NONE of the leadership voted yea, and a majority of Senate Dems voted nay.
We didn't have enough votes, because we don't. Same reason as before.
Rasputin @ 18:
And what does that mean?
Senator Feinstein was just reelected in 2006. She had no significant opposition, and will not be up for election for five years.
Paul in LA @ 20:
What it means is that you as a California resident should spend some time and effort letting her know that you find her voting record unacceptable... that is of course unless you agree with her.
So look at how the spokesperson for the ACLU is propagandizing:
PATENTLY UNTRUE. Why would the spokesperson for the ACLU lie like that? Why would Meteor Blades at Kos LIE like that?
What is the value of this lie? It will make people angry at the Democratic leadership -- for no legitimate reason. It will make people falsely link these UNTRUE motivations to the Democrats en masse.
• It serves Karl Rove. That's your bottom line, anon.
Rasputin @ 21:
HILARIOUS. No one I know thinks that Feinstein will change her mind because of popular protest. She has supported Bushco policies down the line. She occasionally does something right -- but that doesn't mean what you apparently think it does.
I'm rather surprised you don't know that by now, Rasputin.
Paul in LA @ 23:
I'm on the other coast and my Senators voted against the FISA reforms and our House rep Russ Holt has been fighting against e-voting machines for the last six years. I thought California was so progressive?
We are, btw, about 15 minutes shy of when SecState Bowen will have announced the certifications for the primary. So far as I know, she hasn't announced them yet.
Apparently (according to Bradblog), the announcement will be in a minute or so.
Paul in LA @ 25:
Good job on cross referencing the voting records of the Senators you did upstream on the thread.
Rasputin @ 24:
You just finished partly quoting our new SecState's investigation results.
Do you think she got elected by accident?
Holt's bill has gone back for rewrite after massive protests of its language, which would have allowed DRE's and ROLLED BACK the new standard to the old. It's nothing to be proud of, Ras.
Paul in LA @ 27:
Actually I just quoted part of the PC World Article and linked to the rest so it could be read in full. There are copy right laws about posting an entire article and the site monitors get upset as well.
As to our congressman back here... I'll settle for our Senators just not rubber stamping Bush Co. as an excellent start.
By the way... if Feinstien doesn't respond to the voters, how does she keep getting re-elected?
I do have to correct my statement about Blue Dogs (in 10).
"in fact yet another example of how the Blue Dog Dems are NOT on our side,"
Which isn't true, since the Blue Dog Coalition is a HOUSE caucus, not in the Senate. These are the equivalent in the Senate, but not officially 'Blue Dogs.'
Rasputin @ 28:
1. Look at the SecState reports: http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_vsr.htm
2. You live in New Jersey, a state with a population a bit smaller than the Los Angeles metropolitan area. California's total population is 36 million -- six times larger.
3. Have you ever tried to remove a Senator? The system is set up so that they cannot be easily removed by the population. That's our system, with all its warts.
California is too large for an effective political organization -- at least until the Internet changed things. Maybe things can be changed. But if you think that a state with an economy as large as France's does not have rich people who like their Senator, you are ignoring reality.
One (plus) out of every ten Americans is a Californian. So our problems are, of course, also yours.
Paul in LA @ 30:
I much prefer Boxer as a Senator and if it were only money that determines who gets elected, I don't think she would have made it. She doesn't have a "corporatist" profile as far as I can tell.
Whoops, another error, 36/8 is not 6, it is about 4.5 times larger in population.
Actually, it's not the population so much, it's the size of the state, the lock on the media, the corporate power, the Republican votes, and the votefraud. A full plate, eh?
Paul in LA @ 32:
Full indeed. What is Boxer's voting record like?
Rasputin @ 31:
Actually, Senator Boxer broke the record on number of votes for a Senator in her last election (largest number in history).
"Boxer decisively defeated Republican candidate Bill Jones... by a margin of 20%, garnering the highest number of votes in the history of direct elections for the U.S. Senate (with 6,955,728 votes[12]) in the nation's most populous state, and the third highest vote total in the country in 2004" (behind the presidential candidates (wikipedia)
Brad Blogg just posted an alert on the e-voting machines certification... should be up any minute.
Paul in LA @ 34:
She certainly doesn't pull her punches and was quoted the other day as saying, "we are as close to a dictatorship as we have ever been." I respect what she says, but I don't follow her voting record.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Boxer
Wikipedia has a good overview of her bill history.
Voting record-wise, she's solidly progressive, and it is very good that she is the Majority Chief Deputy Whip.
Voting record: http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53274
Update on brad blogg and e-voting machine certification:
Listening to a poor cell phone coverage of Bowen's announcement for recertification plans for CA voting systems. Transcribing as I can. Joined late (will clean up the following as we can clarify)....
missed beginning of conference, joing late...
100% manual count for diebold and sequoia DREs.
One machine per polling place.
ES&S InkaVote Plus (as used in Los Angeles County)
ES&S ignored my March demand to submit source code. ES&S eventually submitted source code to late for t2b review. Therefore, decertifying InkaVote Plus without recertification.
Voters are victims of federal certification process that has not done a job of assuring machines are accurate, accessible, secure.
http://www.bradblog.com/
Hahahahaha-there’s a thug in Dem clothing. She treats the help as if they’re subhuman. Really. Too wealthy and high class to treat a Democratic Party precinct captain driving her to the airport as an equal. My friend was spoken down to, treated as though she were retarded. And she’s has driven all sorts-Al Gore, the Clintons and on and on-everyone she's ever driven had treated her-up to that point, as a member of the Democratic Party-an equal.
Boxer treated as if she were a slave. And a dumbshit slave at that.
Very Imperious, is Senator Boxer.
Looks like SecState Bowen has not been able to decertify the electronic machines. This is really not her fault -- moving up the primaries really screwed the effort.
I'm working at getting CA residents to ask AG Jerry Brown to begin prosecutions for non-serviceability of contracts by the electronic votefraud machine makers.
Rest of Bowen's statement:
"I reject suggestion that I should not make changes to voting systems simply because of cost...When NASA finds a problem, they don't continue just because they've already spent the money. They scrub the mission and spend the money to get it right. We must do same with elections.
Paper ballots are simply easier to understand by voters.
Had federal testing been done on source code, it could have made a great difference."
http://www.bradblog.com/
At least Debra Bowen seems to have her head screwed on right!
miss_kitty @ 39:
I love how the disaffiliated complain that Senators (and House Chairpersons) are 'imperious,' or 'haughty.'
In their world, there are only saints. That's why they have ZERO seats in our government.
Meanwhile, you, kitty, benefit from Senator Boxer's voting record -- you're just too stingy to give her credit for it.
Paul in LA @ 40:
Paul...
Bowen has withdrawn certification and brad blogg has links now to her statements on each vendor. It appears that the exceptions are for voting machines for the handicapped and there will be only one of those machines in each polling place and the rest is paper ballot manual counting.
Haven't read it all, but this is quite amazing. She has done a huge job in a short amount of time. By restricting the TSX machine to one per precinct, she has provided for handicapped needs, while denying the crooked RoVs the chance to rig another election.
And as CA goes, so goes much of the nation. VERY bad news for Diebold, ES &S, and (I presume) Sequoia.
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/voting_systems/ttbr/diebold.pdf
The Rapepublican party is in a LOT of trouble in 2008.
Well, much better than I had feared.
I'm going REAL surfing at 6 AM, so I'm going to bed.
With a smile on my face.
Cheers.
Paul in LA @ 44:
At least in California... the worry spots are Ohio and Florida.
Not really, Rasputin. Both FL and OH have new SecStates who are in contact with Bowen. The FL governor has declared his opposition to electronic DRE voting, and Ohio is about to begin MASSIVE prosecutions for the felony destruction of the 2004 ballots (in 2/3 of the counties...wonder why they would do that?).
A gigantic (HUGE) stack of writs are heading in the direction of Diebold and the other malfeasant mfers. By the fall elections, they should be buried in legal fees and public calumny, as is only right.
OK, well I'm staying up a bit, to print out her report. Brilliant!
C-Span 1 is currently rebroadcasting the disastrous Jennings hearing.
Paul in LA,
First of all, Harry Reid and the dem leadership didn't even have to bring the Bush-FISA bill to the floor if he didn't want too. If those democrats voting "No" really wanted to stop this FISA modification they could of done so using a variety of tactics. But they didn't. They cared more about going home on break then protecting the constitution. They "caved" into Bush's fear tactics, and that is the plain facts of this political situation. Please don't call me a liar. A number of the dems voting "No" were just doing so as political cover after they knew the bill had enough votes to pass. Typical Washington politics, pass it on a Friday night in the hopes nobody is paying attention.
Wow, great stuff. Bowen is requiring that copies of the source code be deposited with her office as well as an outside escrow company. OUCH.
She also says: "Voting system manufacturers or their agents shall assume full responsibility for any representation they make that a voting system complies with all applicable state and federal requirements...In the event such representation is determined to be false or misleading, voting system manufacturers or their agents shall be responsible for the cost of any upgrade, retrofit or replacement of any voting system or its component parts found to be necessary for certification or otherwise not in compliance."
Ka-ching! REFUNDS for equipment which is substandard in 4, 3, 2, 1 ....
The Honorable Jerry Brown, Attorney General
Attorney General’s Office
California Department of Justice
Attn: Public Inquiry Unit
P.O. Box 944255
Sacramento, CA 94244-2550
Please write to AG Jerry Brown (the former governor) and ask him to prosecute Sequoia, Diebold, and Hart for CONTRACT FRAUD, seeking refunds and damages for their laughably faulty equipment,
and also to open investigations into the business ties of Registrars of Voters in California who have abused their offices LOBBYING for these illegal votefraud machines, and for their violations of the California constitution and relevant voting rights statutes. Thank you.
sadAmerican @ 49:
Sure, sure. They can just stand the Congress on end, and that will be good for democracy, right?
You just want to bash the Dems, because you don't accept responsibility for the REAL EXISTENCE of your opposition.
This is a SIX MONTH bill. If we cannot get special prosecutors to investigate the massive illegalities involved, it is absurd to expect the Congress to resolve the crisis.
Unlike you, I do recognize that this is a THREE branch of gov't system. Without a functioning justice system, there is little that can be accomplished legislatively to stop such executive overreach, as should be obvious by now.
Do you actually WATCH C-Span? Or do you just fantasize about what is possible? If you ignore the opposition, no wonder your fantasies turn out so great.
"Even if it were desirable, America is not strong enough to police the world by military force. If that attempt is made, the blessings of liberty will be replaced by tyranny and coercion at home. Our Christian ideals cannot be exported to other lands by dollars and guns. Persuasion and example are the methods taught by the Carpenter of Nazareth, and if we believe in Christianity we should try to advance our ideals by his methods. We cannot practice might and force abroad and retain freedom at home. We cannot talk world cooperation and practice power politics" (Howard Buffet, Nebraska Republican, circa 1950; quotation in The Genius of Impeachment, John Nichols, The New York Press, 2006).
Howard Buffet (R) is the father of Warren Buffet.
Repug Talking Point: Al Queda doesn't go on vacation!
Well, our President takes a LOT of vacations!
Paul in LA @ 51:
What isn't good for democracy is passing a law that undermines the constitution and prevents the executive's actions from being reviewed by a court of law. I think you are the one who has forgotten that there are three co-equal branches of government, because apparently you think its OK to have an imperial executive whose actions can remain unchecked on a critical issue of civil liberties. Allowing the President to violate the Constitution for 6 months is 6 months too long. Congress swears an oath to defend the Constitution at all times and Congress cannot opt out of that obligation for six months. You speak as if there is a "crisis?" What crisis are you talking about, other than the one the President is manufacturing with fear? Nothing in FISA needs to be fixed, we just need the executive to follow it, and have his actions reviewed by the FISA court, just like every other President. I do watch C-Span a lot. And what I see is legislators failing to defend our constitutional rights.
Fuel For Thought
sadAmerican @ 54:
I think you have forgotten that there is a conspiracy in the government, and protecting democracy is not equivalent to holding the Constitution in the air and pretending that the conspirators won't crash their airplanes into it.
There are NOT three equal branches of government. There is a blocked justice system, a conspiracy between the minority party in the Congress and the unitary war-making executive. You cannot legislate the resolution of that crisis.
I support the Dem Congress in their efforts to reestablish that balance. But saying it is just so, just ain't so. When you watch C-SPAN, notice how there are all these clowns with (R) after their names. They have shown themselves to be perfectly willing to crash our democracy, in favor of one-party rule. And they have LOST that bid -- but it just isn't possible to ignore their existence and further radicalize the Congress.
Six months more of illegal spying will not destroy us, and the House (you know, where we actually have a majority) is not going along with that Bushco plan anyhow.
They wanna privatize what? Where the hell is our tax dollars going? fuck this.
The rich folk on "Forbes on Fox" have pictured themselves smooshed in an Escalade under a bridge while trying to get to a stockholders meeting that is held in a building with no heliport on the roof. Yes, a brand new reason for the well to do to wet their beds!
So the discussion began: Spend your tax dollars on the nation's bridges or socialized medicine?
The bridges could kill you. It's an either-or no brainer, especially for people who already have the Cadillacs of health insurance policies.
I guess 45 million people having no health care is worth a few fat cats being able to drive across our bridges without white knuckles.
Oh, and there was no mention made of the war toilet trillion.
"Feinstein is a particularly disgusting Senator and should be trashed ASAP!
In addition to selling out on the FISA laws, she has now begun back peddling on the Ballot Integrity Act".
Mention was made that she is up for election only in five years. By then the U.S. will already be a totalitarian police state and elections will be moot. That's why she is sucking up to our dictator so that she won't be incarcerated in a concentration camp. She's only thinking of herself. Her country is moot.
Too bad no one works for Bush, 'cause he'd be a shoe-in to win, and we could send him off to Antarctica to play with penguin poop in the slush pools for awhile.
Which would be a giant leap forward for world peace.
mystic @ 59:
Hilarious. Hysterical much?
Paul in LA @ 42:
I don't benefit from her voting record. I don't expect sainthood from elected officials. You really are a pill. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I am talking about a woman who has had numerous interactions with elected officials, major and minor, and this is the one that stands out in her mind as shitty and unpleasant. She wasn't expecting the Senator to be her best friend, but civility would have been nice.
You only defend her because she wears a 'D' after her name. If she were an 'R' you wouldn't have bothered. I like my Democrats to Walk the walk. Not just talk it. It makes it harder for them to stray to the right.
I had a boss once who drove a Delorean (sp?) and wore huge diamond rings on every finger, who owned a chain of old people's homes where she paid kids like me minimum wage as 'nurse's aides', although we often - and quite illegally - were required to dispense medications that were well beyond doctor's prescriptions to 'keep them quiet'. One old man like to have a bit of bread and butter to settle his stomach around midnight, and since I worked nightshift, I always made him some from the kitchen... until she found out and put a lock on the walk-in fridge door. After the cook's son threatened one of the young girls who worked there , SHE was fired - he later went to jail for raping her in a carpark at her new job. He also used to steal the possessions of any resident who died before their relatives could collect the effects. The boss used to take on mentally ill residents because the state had no where to put them and paid her a premium - some of the violent, and the violent mentally and fragile old people are not a good mix. When I finally complained that the cook's son had assaulted me in the middle of the night, she came down and immediately fired me as well. Believe me, I was more than happy to go. But as far as I know, she continued on raking in money off the elderly and the mentally ill while over-medicating them, starving them and allowing them to be abused... unchecked even though we aides had tried to notify various doctors and social workers, anonymously, for years. Such is the state of homes for the elderly as it was 30 years ago, and I rather doubt much has changed since then.
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