Froomkin: Dick Cheney's Secret Plan To Invade Iran
Via The Washington Post:
At yesterday's press conference, President Bush announced that he had put Iran on notice: "One of the main reasons that I asked [U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan] Crocker to meet with Iranians inside Iraq was to send the message that there will be consequences for people transporting, delivering EFPs, highly sophisticated IEDs [improvised explosive devices] that kill Americans in Iraq."
Describing Iran as "a very troubling nation right now," largely because of its nuclear program, Bush warned its leaders that "when we catch you playing a non-constructive role [in Iraq] there will be a price to pay."
So what price is Bush prepared to exact? Is this saber-rattling a harbinger of war? And perhaps most to the point: What is Vice President Cheney up to?
Warren P. Strobel, John Walcott and Nancy A. Youssef write for McClatchy Newspapers today that "the president's top aides have been engaged in an intense internal debate over how to respond to Iran's support for Shiite Muslim groups in Iraq and its nuclear program. Vice President Dick Cheney several weeks ago proposed launching airstrikes at suspected training camps in Iraq run by the Quds force, a special unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, according to two U.S. officials who are involved in Iran policy. . . . Read more...
damn, don't you just hate it when you refresh the page and something like that pops up?
I came across this article "Dr Bush and Mr. Hyde" by Goldhammer.
It is worth reading to understand the repressed minds of the fundamentalists lurking out as Mr Hyde's.
Quote - “The long-repressed shadow of Dr. Jekyll rises up in the shape of Mr. Hyde, deformed, an ape-like figure glimpsed against the alley wall.”[i] Now imagine millions of Mr. Hydes and you have a sense of the group shadow of fundamentalist, right wing extremists dressed up as “compassionate conservatives,” led by George W. Bush. It’s like shifting from a hand gun to a nuclear bomb. And it began long ago in both the Moslem and Christian worlds.
http://www.metaphoria.org/ac4t0509h.html
came across this article “Dr Bush and Mr. Hyde” by Goldhammer.
It is worth reading to understand the repressed minds of the fundamentalists lurking out as Mr Hydes.
Quote - “The long-repressed shadow of Dr. Jekyll rises up in the shape of Mr. Hyde, deformed, an ape-like figure glimpsed against the alley wall.”[i] Now imagine millions of Mr. Hydes and you have a sense of the group shadow of fundamentalist, right wing extremists dressed up as “compassionate conservatives,” led by George W. Bush. It’s like shifting from a hand gun to a nuclear bomb. And it began long ago in both the Moslem and Christian worlds.
http://www.metaphoria.org/ac4t0509h.html
Do we progressives have a secret plan to invade Cheney?
I thought not.
Well at least this time we know there's actually members of Al-Quaeda in the country they wish to attack.
They won't comment on the fact that Al-Quada's actually been car bombing, threatening and killing Iranians though.
Maybe the stars and stripes should be traded in for a big yellow "caution ! madmen ahead, use detour ".
Since there seems to be nothing stopping Dumbya from pissing away America as we once knew it, who will stop these insane fools from bombing Iran? Will there be a coalition of nations willing to tell Dumbya to quit his and Cheney's madness?
...the message that there will be consequences for people transporting, delivering EFPs, highly sophisticated IEDs [improvised explosive devices] that kill Americans in Iraq.
So I'm sure we had the same talk with the Saudis. Right?
If the Dickster says there's a threat, then there's a threat. He is, after all, the most credible man on the planet, and he's never been wrong 'bout nothin'.
Hello Congress. IMPEACH!!! (SFX: crickets)
Cheney and Bush will have their war with Iran. It's a forgone conclusion. You can sense it. History will record this period as the death of the American Republic, and the rise of Amerika the HOMELAND. Think things are bad now, wait. A year from now, you won't recognize this country anymore. I weep for the death of our country and our values. We traded liberty for security, and now have neither. Our nation building in Iraq has recruited a whole new generation of anti-american jihadists.
I used to wonder how the German people could allow the rise of national socialism. I don't anymore.
BTW: exactly where does this freekin' genius think we're getting the troops to invade? A draft? I doubt it. It would mean the end of the Republican Party. There's only a nuclear (uh, NookUlar) strike. I do beleve these evil bastards are crazy enough to do it.
Boy that sounds familiar: (YouTube video from 2000)
As the British sailors "hostage crisis this spring demonstrates, Iran is not one homogenous force. There probably are people in Iran supporting the insurgents, just as there are in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan,etc. But to invade or bomb Iran because of that makes as much sense as the British invading us in the 70's just because people here in the U.S. were helping to fund and arm the IRA. For that matter, Britain never threatened to invade Libya,either, even though they gave the IRA boatloads of serious weapons. Then again, the British were the ones who actually talked to the Iranians and got their sailors returned with no one getting hurt.
Andy K @ 7:
Nope or China, Russia and Pakistan.
Just little Iran, another third world country.
Tough guy dick is actually a coward that will not man up to his failed occupation.
"The Federal Reserve, trying to calm turmoil on Wall Street, announced Friday that it will pump as much money as needed into the U.S. financial system to help overcome the ill effects of a spreading credit crunch."
"...That prompted the Europeans to pump $130 billion into their financial system. The Fed moved Thursday to add an extra $24 billion in temporary reserves to the U.S. banking system."
50 billions of YOUR money was pumped in last week alone.
Let's invade. I will donate even $10 more for the cause. That 50 billion is kinda invisible, hard to comprehend, almost surreal-like. 10 dollar check payable to USofA is at least material and can satisfy my patriotic, American, "anti-terrorist", pro-Iraqi and anti-Iranian side.
Are you donating?
It's pretty scarry to have a chickenhawk lame duck administration. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a few Hail Mary's thrown in Iran's direction.
goatboyslim @ 12:
The difference is quite stark. Britain actually realises that sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. Whereas America just thinks.. ZOMG aw naw you dident & presses the attack button. This from an Irishman! There are no good answers on Iran. But is the progressive position to do nothing & eventually let them get nukes(employing mutually assured destruction); or to decide at a later juncture?
Watch out: Notice this assertion which continues to be proffered without evidence; eventually, when repeated enough, it will be accepted as truth: 'how to respond to Iran’s support for Shiite Muslim groups in Iraq "
Is the Iranian "support" inside Iraq real?
Is the Iranian "support" inside Iraq illegal?
Japan, when it expanded combat operations against the US, unsuccessfully attempted to do what the US in Iraq is now doing: Using the fact that other countries were opposing its expansion as a basis to expand. If it is argued that the US activity in Iraq is illegal -- as the Japanese expansion in S. Asia during WWII was -- then it cannot be argued that lawful opposition to that illegal activity -- as might be what Iran could be doing in Iraq -- is unlawful. Conversely, once the US opposition to Japan's illegal activity was lawful -- as might be the Iranian opposition to the US -- then all combat activity the Japanese took to oppose the US -- as the US would do against Iran -- is not legal.
There was no legal basis for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor; the claim that it was "opposing US opposition to Japan" is no different than the US argument that it is "opposing Iran." The issue isn't whether the US can do anything, but whether the Iranian actions are lawful; and whether Iranian efforts against the US are lawful under Geneva. Given the US's illegal invasion, the Iranian efforts -- on all fronts -- is legal. Rather, the US effort to expand unlawful warfare from Iraq into Iraq is not a lawful confrontation, but more evidence of illegal warfare.
In other words, the issue of whether the US has or hasn't fabricated evience of Iranian actions is irrelevant. The larger issue becomes: Can the US lawfully justify any action from Iraq? No. If it is "legal," then you've just rewritten US-Japanese legal-military history since WWI. Good luck. The law is on the Iranian's side on this, not the US's.
Why should America put up with this kind of crap? After all you would never see America give arms to another country to kill invading soldiers. This could never happen in say Afghanistan like when the Russians were the invading army. And America would never give arms to terrorists to overthrow a democratically elected government. You know like some folks did in Central and South America. And America would never have a history of invading countries that were not a threat to it like say the Phillipines and we would never try to weaken independent states so that they could be overthrown and we would certainly not want other countries to have nuclear power or weapons. Why they might use these weapons of mass destruction on civilian populations and God knows what kind of evil people would do such a diabolical thing?
What a crock of shit. What is he going to do about Russia arming Iran?
His puppet, Milki is Shia and he has threatened to arm Shia if chimpy doesn't stop arming Sunnis.
If chimpy invades Iran, there will hell to pay. His bullshit about not wanting Iranians to have nukes is just that pure-t bullshit.
That would be three wars this war president has started.
I think now they know the dems will cave, they will push their agenda to attack Iran.
And a draft.
nice summary, #18. It's great that people like yourself appreciate the suffocating hypocrisy of American foreign policy. Sucks that you're in the minority. Too many of your countrymen don't seem to appreciate that the world is an f'ed up place. They believe in the false dichotomy between good and evil. As you know, it's all shades of grey. And so with this blinkered view of American superiority many will support this new war since it reinforces the reflexive precept that we're good and they're evil.
Yep, this administration is STUPID enough to do it (and a stupid congress willing to fund it) with no planning , no resources, no available troops.
There is not a damn thing anyone outside of congress can do about war with Iran, and probably not even them.
Recall how senator Webb demanded an answer from Condelleza Rice about whether or not the administration believes it can arbitrarily take the nation to war against Iran? Unless her response escaped my notice, Webb let it slide. Which is to say, he backed off in the same craven fashion he displayed with last week's FISA vote.
And if my take on congress is in the ballpark, tell me: What- exactly- is the democratic party good for?
"You don't have to be isolated. You don't have to be in a position where you can't realize your full economic potential."
"Economic Potential"
Thats all cons can think about. Money
Anybody want to bet on the Democrats fighting against this one?...
The Democrats have dropped out of the race against the Repubs. Please tell me what have Reid and Pelosi done since we voted last. Every time we think they are hot on something they suddenly pull back and the Repubs go their merry criminal way. For instance: Gonzalez (nothing), H. Meiers (nothing), Cheney (nothing), Rove (nothing), funding the war (nothing), any talk about impeachment (nothing), illegal wiretapping (nothing). The only one we got rid of was Rumsfeld and he still has an office in the Pentagon!! The Republicans continue to thumb their noses at the American people and Congress and NOTHING GETS DONE! Now they threaten to re-install the draft. You know who will be drafted and it ain't the Republican young people. Everyone who says go ahead and install the draft and take the Bush girls, the Romney boys, and the college Republicans don't know what they are talking about. The Bushs, Romneys, and any other young Republicans will NEVER be drafted. Count on it. We need to start impeachment on Cheney and stop this war and draft talk. Bush will fall apart without his boss.
Yes the Spineless, Gutless, Coward and Traitor cheney is still working behind the scenes to go into Iran. I would support it if on the day we went into Iran we could Publicly ececute this Coward and Traitor and have his body shipped to Iran to have the people do with it as they see fit.
This anti self serving human piece of fecal matter is only out to extend the war and confuse the issue I for one hold this piece of SH*T in total and utter Contempt.
America has its head in the oven and bush and cheney are turning up the gas. I'm beginning to believe that although cheney's motive is profit, bush wants to go down in history as the man who killed more people than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, you name it.
One man, three wars. He's insane.
First vee take Iran and Iraq...and den vee take da VORLD......
and we have a year and three months left of these critters.
he wears more blusher than my mom. i guess his handlers want us to think he's human.
Disarm Cheney!
Does anyone really believe that "Strikes against Iran" won't be the start of war with Iran? Iran isn't just going to allow us to attack them without a response. The people of Iran may not be all that of fond of their government, but I doubt they would take kindly to our attacking their country and killing their citizens.
What's the matter with those fools in the media who seem to be trying to goad the administration into some kind of "military action"? Don't they realize that any such attack would be just the beginning of another long bloody war that we can ill afford?
The most vile, evil, corrupt, piece of shit disguised as a human to ever walk this planet. And that includes Hitler, Ghengis Kahn, Dracular and Darth Vader and Mel Gibson.
"when we catch you playing a non-constructive role [in Iraq] there will be a price to pay."
Note the "when."
Unfucking believable. Imagine how much MORE damage these assholes can manage in 17 months. Frightening. Maybe they will have WWIII going before they are through. How can we stop them?
Former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney wins Iowa Republican straw poll.
Let's triple Gitmo and bring them on!!
DieBold, congrats, no ......SYSTEM ERROR!!....... in Iowa. 2008 Presidential Elections look safer by the day.
America is finished. Officially.
It's a nuke time!!!
Does anyone know, the rough percentage of the population that;
A) Doesn't know most of the weapons are coming from Saudi Arabia.
and
B) Cheney is a lying scum bag.
Carmikl @ 32:
It's way bigger that that. Consider these latest headlines:
IMHO, these war games are no coincidence. And it's no coincidence that China recently reminded the Bush admin that they control American interest rates.
When you do the calculation and understand that it's cheaper for China to dump US bonds than yield to any economic ploy by the US, you realize what China means when they announce that they control US interest rates. First, that China can trump any move we make. Second, if US attacks Iran, that China will sink the dollar.
It's difficult to know how far the NeoCons are going to push this war. Will they be happy with a 'hydrocarbon' law in Iraq? Or do they think they can face down China & Russia in what could only end up as a nuclear contest?
Maybe that's why Russia suddenly resumed its bomber runs and flew out to make visual contact with the US Navy. Russia and China are playing it cool.
If
In order for the Bush administration to invade Iran they'll need to start up the draft again.. if they do can you imagine what the collage campuses in this country will be like... In the old days it took days of word of mouth to get together enough people for a protest...now all you need is a Blackberry or a cell. I'm older now but I'll be there, YOU BETCHA. JCB
And yet, Congress declines to impeach. Get off yer duffs, Dems, and start impeachment hearings before it's too late.
Nancy Pelosi will reap a sad legacy in history. The first woman Speaker of the House--a Democrat--and she's derelict in her Constitutional duty to rid the country of a criminal administration.
Jimmy Carl Black @ 39:
They don't need to start a draft; it won't be a ground war. Even Uncle Dick isn't that stupid.
Jimmy Carl Black @ 39:
Didn't a general just tell congress that a draft is a possibility?
Froomkin is undermining the Master Narrative:
All the oceans filled with blood could not satisfy this serially murdering psychopath's lust for killing. How is it that there are some who cannot see him for what he is?
Paul @ 44:
Because these people are desperate to continue to see the world as they imagine it to be...as they believe it should be. They will resist any challenge to their fantasy world...violently, if necessary.
I'll sleep better tonight....knowing these guys are hard at work.......oh....wait..........HUH?
Cheney, like venereal disease, is the gift that keeps on giving.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist guy, but really, it wouldn't surprise me at all if, sometime in the next few months, Cheney widened the war in Afghanistan and opened a new front in Iran.
He's determined to make it so that America CANNOT disengage from that region for years - no matter who the president is.
Marcus Aurelius @ 10:
I'll look forward to this modern day Dr. Strangelove riding the H-bomb down waving his cowboy hat yelling YEE-HAA! I'm sure it would truly be an orgasmic experience for him.
eh, why not? lets just do it. "The Side Surge"
we had better not go to war with iran.
bush and cheney aided and abetted terrorists when they flew the entire ben laden
family out of the USA right after 911.
they have supplied weapons to our enemies in iraq who are now using those weapons
on our troops.
they are trying to send massive weapons of war to saudi arabia and israel now to
help them attack iraq.
bush and cheney are the utlimate enemy combattants of the USA and American people.
they should be impeached and then turned over to the world courts in germany
for their crimes against humanity. all their ill gotten property and wealth
should be confiscated and returned to the national treasury.
To hell with party affiliation, Dick Cheney is one of the MOST evil men on the entire globe.
5 deferments Cheney's chickenhawkdom knows no bounds while the press memory holes Iran contra
By starting war with Iran their oil too goes off market, like Iraq. This puts a crimp on China and India. It slows the flow to the rest of the world and give more "profit time" to the industry that makes money off the flow of oil. While all this sorts itself out, we Americans continue to live our accustomed lives while the rest of the world sits there wondering what to do next. Once oil is irrelevant the war(s) will end.
Just Me @ 4:
Please join me in my daily call to my/your congress person . . . . the question is . . . what is the threshold for impeachment for Darth Cheney. Will you impeach him after he nukes Iraq or blows up a dirty bomb in NYC.
"Of course the order still stands" - Dick Cheney
They haven't made enough mistakes they need to just keep piling it on, load after load...oh these people make me sick...and on top of it they don't provide any health care...son of a bitch!!!
Secret? It's not a secret, we've known about it for years, we're just waiting for him to shore up the sack to actually pull the trigger on this asinine idea.
Never mind that missing weapons, our weapons, furnished by our military are killing our soldiers. Duh. These guys are beyond help. They need some professional help to target their mental facilities.
Just back from being transported to Heaven via 2 hours with Pavorotti,
....down to this fucking bulldog OWRFFF, OOOWRFFF, (sloBBERRR) ROOOWFFFF, (SNORT)
If indeed there is Providence end his misery! HAHAHA DIE! Please DIE!
One lit-tle blood clot. Wen-ding it's way a-long this way and that up to his BRAIN!!!!
If they give the order what are the chances of a military coup in the US? This seems like just the kind of madness that could lead to open revolt.
FreeDUMB @ 61:
300,000,000 of us against them.
They'll have a LOT of problems getting any troops to cooperate with any cohesion for any length of time. (Make lots of pie)
An open revolt would certainly break the monotony.
VitriolAndAngst @ 37:
Historically, the Bush/Walker scumbag family has never been content to merely arm "both sides" in global conflicts reaching back to the US Civil War and through WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. ad nauseum.
No, the Bush/Walker family of profitering sluts has always armed ALL SIDES, so as to ensure continued chaos and quasi-permanent arms revenues. This is the family BUSINESS, along with oil and drugs. Meanwhile they dismantle OUR democracy while pretending to champion democracy abroad. I hope the current family sluts die as they have lived: in a cesspool.
I found this peace by Thomas Jeffarson (The issue TODAY is the same as it has been THROUGH OUT all HISTORY wheather MAN shall be allowed to GOVERN himself or ruled BY small ELITE.) How was this country founded by great men and thinkers like our FOR FATHERS and we have become a NATION that they hope we would never be. In (200) YRS we neither think or care who is in power. We are loosing the nation of free people to being ruled BY THE ELITE. I read everything that I can find about our FOR FATHERS and there HOPES AND DREAMS that they had for this NATION. We are loosing it to SMALL ELITE.
Jimmy Carl Black Says: You're the Indian of the group aren't you?
Uh, not to sound slike a no nothing hack, but, uhm,...
WHERE THE HELL IS OSAMA!?
God dammit, all those dead at Ground Zero & in DC with no justice whatsoever, & this insane ghoul wants a THIRD illegal war agaisnt people who ddn't attack us,...
DickHead should quit using morticians as his make-up folks.
Uh there will be consequences for people transporting, delivering highly sophisticated explosive devices AKA smart bombs to the zionists in Israel, to Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. BRING IT ON! (The War in Iran) BRING IT ON! As soon as Cheney/Bush attack Iran, and impose Martial Law in the U.S. Homeland, BRING IT ON!
Uh what happened to the hunt for nine eleven "CONSPIRATOR" Osama Bin Laden? Oh! OK! regards
My question is this. If this is true, "Vice President Dick Cheney several weeks ago proposed launching airstrikes at suspected training camps in Iraq run by the Quds force, a special unit of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, according to two U.S. officials who are involved " and we have 160,000 troops on the ground in Iraq, how is it they are able to run these camps in the first place? If they know there are camps where people are being trained to kill US soldiers, how can the even 'propose' bombing them, why aren't they already gone? This 'Quds camps' is so much BS.........
As long as we (that is us) do not have a reasonable plan for getting out of Iraq we will be open to Cheney's push to get us into a bigger war. For an analysis of what we should do see my blog
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canardtahiti @ 63:
Good points. Also, the Bush crime family are crypto-Jews who masquerade as "Methodists." A lot of Jews hide there "religion" by becoming "Methodists." Interesting thing is Cheney, Bush, and Rush Scumbaugh are all "Methodists."
So, they're fighting wars for their homeland, Israel, using the U.S. as their proxy. Michael Chertoff, head of the Department of Homeland Security, is another Zionist Jew who's taking his orders from Tel Aviv.
By Israeli law, all Jews, no matter where they live, are citizens of the State of Israel. These crypto-Jews who run our government are actually citizens of Israel.
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 65:
Yep.....:)
Jo @ 33:
The Only difference is Darth Vader turned from the darkside and became forgiving & redeemed himself again, this bastard name cheney will never redeem himself nor be forgivened.
dadams @ 50:
And they should also be put to death for this.
If they attack Iran, America as we know it will be destroyed.
kaT @ 41:
timmm @ 42:
Yes the general said that...the new world we live in will not allow Bush much comfort room for him and the REP's to have a draft...the streets will be like the Los Angeles riots of the 90's and it will kill any chance of a REP president. Now all we need is a Dem candidate who can turn pure bullshit into gold.
Dick Cheney wipe that shit ass smirk off your face?
Well Either you with us or your against us.
We're against you.
((Brought to you by a freedom fighter, opps terrorist, sorry... And a future nuremburg 2010 hangings of Cheney and Bush and every single corrupt Nazi mofo who brings fascism back into the world.))
Iran is a lovely place. And their leaders are not nearly as fundemental as they are portrayed on US media.
I think Cheney is working on the '3rd time lucky' principle of military strategy.
The problem is one of America's making. The U.S has been threatening Iran for years. If you were in Iran's shoes, wouldn't YOU start getting as big a bad-ass bomb as possible? A nuke is still the best leveller of the playing field.
As some others have also mentioned, why can't anyone fathom that Iran may *also* have factions that may or may not be aligned with the government.
Iran is Iraq's neighbour for chrisssake.
Look, no-one is going to say the Iranians are just misunderstood, but frankly, at the moment, Americans are their own worst enemy.
=my2c
BC
Jimmy Carl Black @ 75:
Who Cares Both Parties really stink this time, Vote Ron Paul.
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