Matthews calls out the Petraeus/WH propaganda Iraq report
By John Amato Wednesday Aug 15, 2007 5:40pm
Yea, I know...but at least he's getting out this important truth. Petraeus is not writing the all important September/Iraq report that is supposed to give an honest assessment of the war and not a propaganda document vetted by Bush. Will the rest of the media follow? Not so far....And he throws in Cheney's '94 statements telling us why toppling Saddam was not a viable option...
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Tweety: Is the White House going to pull a Lucy again? With the football trick, all over again? For months President Bush has been asking us to wait for a report from General Petraeus. How many times have we heard that phrase? "Wait for the report from General Petraeus." Now we learn that the White House is going to write that report - the White House - and that the General will testify publicly before Congress only after the report's been written by Bush's people. Is this a sign of something we've seen before, is the Bush Administration going to politicize that critical September report instead of letting the General deliver a full and honest raw assessment to the American people? It looks like it. Also tonight on our political headlines, wise words from a strange mouth, wait til you catch this -- in 1994 Dick Cheney of all people said going into Baghdad would be a bad idea.
Cheney: If we had gone to Baghdad, we would have been all alone, there wouldn't have been anybody else with us, it would have been a US occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces who were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invade in Iraq. Once you got into Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place?
Tweety: Good question, Dick. Anyway, that was Cheney, by the way, back when he knew what was going on. And the question now is, that guy had led this president into doing exactly what he said would be a bad idea. Dick Cheney -- remember those words.
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Jesus, Matthews. Pick a lane. And stay in it. This weaving back and forth back and forth back and forth back and forth is making me sick to my stomach.
why should anyone really believe anything this admin says....I mean...c'mon
miss_kitty @ 2:
Your so right .to follow this guy you need Dramamine
baby jesus liked it when he called him a dick
[...] Crooks and Liars
The neocons will write it, hannity , rush, beck et al will pimp it, we will have it shoved down our throats, and our friends, kids and neighbors will continue to die for a lie!
"Good question, DICK."
I swear Matthews is bi-polar.
I think Tweety must have MPD - Multiple Personality Disorder. One day he's a wingnut with Clinton Derangement Syndrome, the next he's a lefty, and then he's humping on the leg of some man or woman on his show.
Maybe they should put a color-coded warning up so viewers would know which Tweety is doing the show that day.
Controlling the message so they don't have to worry about controlling the results.
This is like Christian Bale in The Prestige. 2 Tweetys, one that loves Bush and is very gay (in a creepy way) and the other one that likes women (also in a creepy way) ....oh and both hate Hillary Clinton.
Bi Polar Multiple Personality Disordered Lane Changing Tail Gaiter.
Yrp, sums it up.
"Good question, Dick"
hahahahhahahahahha
Chrissie wants to be sure he's on the winning side at any particular moment.
miss_kitty @ 2:
Seriously. It's one thing for a Bush asskisser to have a moment of sanity, like the other day when Laura Ingraham said that appealing to the middle will get you nowhere, but Matthews has been bouncing around like a ping pong ball for the past month or two. Maybe his head exploded or something.
i LiKEd tHe paRT wHErE tWeety saId ThinGS.
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Well said.
Blue Buddha @ 16:
Like a BB in a boxcar!
Why is this 1994 clip of Cheney only coming to light now? Why weren't they running it in the lead up to the war or before the 2004 elections? It's been there all along -- since 1994.
Cat Atomic @ 8:
HaHAHA!!
Tweety getting scoops from the Comedy Channel tells you how out of touch the SCLM is....If the Daily Show didn't run this 1994 piece , would Spitball have even mentioned this ?
Answer : Are you foulking kidding me ?
I think Warner Bros. should cast Matthews in the next Batman as Two-face.
This isn't a big deal. No one here was going to believe the General anyways, so it doesn't really matter who writes the report. We already know that Bush is keeping us in Iraq through the rest of his term no matter what.
Democrats need to stop the funding or stop complaining. It really is that simple.
Hmmm...I wonder why Karl Rove didn't wait after the report?
Matthews is going to use Cheney Previous remarks against going in to Baghdad to set up the spin so they can ratrionalize why we went in 2003.
He's on the right and will always be.
Let me guess.... UHHH...9/11 changed everything bullshit is comming down the pike.
Well, we had to Cause who knows what would have happened With a terrorist loving Sadam BULLSHIT.
So now we all can understand why. And everyone should back the administration BULLSHIT.
Tomorrow he'll be back to slaming Democrats and sniffing Thompson ass and telling everyone how good it smells. And how that should be a good enough reason to sit in the WH.
Any ass would smell alot better than the one thats in there now. Hell we all know the one thats in there now could find his own with two hands and a map.
Tweety is just lonely today, no he-man Republic presidential
candidate is there to send him into a swoon.
Just wait till he gets another whiff of Fred Thompson's powerful "man-cologne" musk, he will be back on Republic Point Message soon after that.
His guest called Nancy Pelosi "Nancy Botox" and said the Dems stole the pennies off the eyes of the dead. This guy is a real liar.
I think this is more a symptom of sites like this, DailyKos, Media Matters, etc. are starting to become to big to be ignored. There just needs to be enough people asking "Why isn't the MSM talking about this?" "Why are they spinning this?" etc.
The bad news that reflects poorly on the righties and corporations only gets lip service from the MSM when it's simply too big and bad to ignore. This subject is a great example; but notice that the blogs have already been talking at length about this one.
I'll bet the White House tells him exactly how many times a week to lie, just so he can be trotted out as a "far left" useful idiot by Hannity etc. nah, despite the occasional truth that comes out of Tweety, he's one of the ones I want most to see at a war crimes trial. he's propaganda, pure and simple. accent grave on "simple".
I watched both CNN and MSNBC news reports this evening...tho all seemed to be
very, very upset that the report is to be written by the White House, it was called
to my attention, for first time, that the Congressional approval of such a report by
Gen. Petraeus did in fact contain a final section/provision that said(and I am not
quoting verbatim)..."The concluding report will be given by the White House" and
in an earlier portion of that Congressional approval, there was language that both
Gen. Petraeus and Crocker would give testimony(in both open and closed sessions).
So even tho I too have been ranting and raving about this, it appears that "our"
representatives in Congress were well aware of its contents...since they are the
party who signed off.
I'm beginning to think that when he worked for Tip O'Neill he was a rat.
Heh. Tweety's watching Colbert. The rightwinger came off like a lunatic. Hackett seemed so sane.
Mark has got some serious issues like. He's F-ing BATSHIT CRAZY.
miss_kitty @ 2:
HAHA! Yer crackin' me up, Miss Kitty.
Mark is a perfect example of a 30% profile right there. No substance just ranting and raving waving his arms and screaming with all the hate in the world. No solutions just pointing the finger at some one to blame for there own failed policies. TYPICAL NEOCON!
Mathews is trying to be balanced when he should just state his own opinions/ideas without worrying that his bosses will hit him for offending their big $$$ sponsors-- who are either neocons or who want to keep from offending neocons. It all boils down to $$$$ doesn't it?
FreeDUMB @ 11:
Well....yeah. But the really amazing thing about this is that Tweety actually seems to thing what he thinks matters. No, Tweety Mr. Decider having repeatedly cornholed your slippery ass could care less what you think.
I doubt he cares whether you live or die. I know Tweets, I know hard to believe that a guy like you whose carried the water for the NeoCons scum every painful step of the way could be discarded like a used condom but....
There it is.
This footage of Cheney is nothing new. In a Frontline documentary on the first Gulf War, Cheney's in a different interview saying exactly the same thing. Powell too.
They shouldn't try to kid anyone. This is suddenly news to the MSM out of self-conscious political expedience (read: ass armor) and nothing more.
Nice gesture with the "DICK" line, Tweety, but the fact remains you'd still suck it in a heartbeat.
Doggiebobo @ 31:
I'm hoping they signed off on that in the event that what the WH reports and what the GEN reports, the congress will be able to show the differences in reality. If they do that or not remains open to debate but it could be a usefull track to follow.
"...but at least he’s getting out this important truth".
Geez, Amato. For Christ's sake, you are a Stockholm syndrome victim. GE is playing you like a yo-yo.
The Fucker's not a dick he's a pecker.
Didn't the LA Times break this story? You know, the MSM.
[...] Although most liberals can’t stand Chris Matthews for his Republican leanings, I appreciate that he is one of the few Republican talk-show hosts who still retains his soul. Here is a segment where he jabs at the fact that Bush’s White House will be writing General Petraeus’ September report. [...]
LongTooth @ 41:
I certainly am not attempting to speak for John A., but my interpretation of "at least he's
getting out this important truth" was referring to fact that Rove was the masterbrains
behind bush-lite and that dickhead cheney, back in 1994, is on the record as saying
that to invade Iraq would result in a quaigmare.
Anybody here know what the troops call General Petraeus?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
If not better think twice before you believe anything he might say...
Tweety reads the blogs 'cuz I'm pretty sure the Lucy and the football analogy came from bloggers.
We were all snookered...again
From The Rude Pundit, 8/16/07
"So, while there's been an uproar over how the Petraeus report is not the Petraeus report, but actually the White House report, well, the idea that General Petraeus was ever going to write the report is just so many ripped dollar bills magically mended with a wave of the hand. According to the actual legislation, "The President, having consulted with the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, the Commander, Multi-National Forces-Iraq, the United States Ambassador to Iraq, and the Commander of U.S. Central Command, will prepare the report and submit the report to Congress" and "The President shall submit a second report to the Congress, not later than September 15, 2007" and "Prior to the submission of the President's second report on September 15, 2007, and at a time to be agreed upon by the leadership of the Congress and the Administration, the United States Ambassador to Iraq and the Commander, Multi-National Forces Iraq will be made available to testify in open and closed sessions before the relevant committees of the Congress."
What Country Is This? @ 24:
(you are so right and I am so surprised many are buying Matthew's ploy to get support for Patraeus' report.
Matthews Is Doing The President's Biding
I am not fooled one bit by Chris Matthew's attempt to make the public accept General Petraeus' September report. As it stands, polls indicate no one would believe General Petraeus should he give the report because he is Bush's puppet. Matthews is setting the trap for the public to cry foul about Bush writing the report; thus, we accept General Petraeus' report by default.
Things coming from Matthews are going to be complex and will often have a underlaying motive. Actually, I found the noted motive above to be a insult on the viewers intelligence. I say to Mr. Matthews: Go and find another dummy; this one is not buying your shit at all. Patraeus' or Bush's report would be doctored.
Joseph
Dang tweety... You keep this up, they're gonna kick you out of the neocon lapdog clubhouse and take away your most favored propagandist status dude.....JD
CatsMeow @ 48:
Thanks for the apparent "exact" language as submitted to and "approved" by our U.S.
Congress. As I said in #30 above, Congress knew the specific language in the approved
legislation therefore THEY should not be acting surprised as to who is going to prepare
and submit the report.
Doggiebobo: Mathews is an media adroit birdbrain who is paid attention to simply because his ugly mug pops up on GE's airwaves.
Or am I mistaken?
As if this was about to lead to something...anything beyond a blink. Verbiage more verbiage.
Joseph @ 49:
Wow, giving us the Bismark poll results really does impress me as to how trusted
Petraues is. NOT
LongTooth @ 52:
No I am in agreement...but that is based upon what I see/hear on C&L Threads, for
I would not waste a second of my time watching his dog and pony show on TV. Now
if it was a Circus, and he was dressed up as a clown, then I might watch.
Actually, the Lucy taking away the football bit comes from Firedoglake.com, which used that same analogy last week I believe -- perhaps in a couple of posts.
One way, maybe the only strategy available to the poor, or middle class in this country to change the Bush direction is to boycott bush.
Its all we have.
Let the whacked out christians spend their money to odffset our reluctance to support this blue blooded idiot and his kind.
Boycott Bush ,Boycott Bush, Boycott Bush...find a way to make it count...
Like go into a store grocery or otherwise and load up a cart....load it up big...when the the mexican check out clerk asks for five thousand two hundred dollars tell them you forgot your wallet and hand the a card that says BOYCOTT BUSH, beg forgiveness and leave the counter to get your wallet. Promise you'll be right back.
This is something you can do to make your point.
You screw with the rich guys money he'll scream
Say what you want about Matthews, but I do love his disdain for Dick "Cheeney". Notice how he always mispronounces his last name? Also, notice that he was basically calling him a "dick" at the end. Not bad!
Doggiebobo @ 54:
So.
Why does he have a round mouth?
Brian @ 58:
Nah, I think it's just a good ploy. Throw out a certifiable fact or a comment that sounds like you may lean a little bit left. Then, when you bring on your right wing talking points during the next show, it'll seem you're being objective. He's not objective. He's owned.
Joseph @ 59:
So, being a reasonable person, I will wait for Petraeus's report to the Congress and not
attempt to prejudge what he may or may not say. And being an ex-military person, I
would never lump ALL senior military officials into one category inasmuch as they have
a heart, and do in all instances(to my knowledge) think first and foremost about the
safety and well-being of those serving under them, therefore I will not prejudge this
General, but will wait for his testimony before Congress.
Also tonight on our political headlines, wise words from a strange mouth, wait til you catch this – in 1994 Dick Cheney of all people said going into Baghdad would be a bad idea.
That's because, in 1994 Clinton was our president. Which meant that Dick and his buddies at Halliburton would not be able to rape the treasury, set up their secret government and score big no-bid contracts. That, and apparently only Democrats know how to govern, run a successful military campaign and manage a budget.
[...] notes that Chris Matthews called the “Petraeus report” for what it actually is — the White House report. 6:00 pm | [...]
why wasn't someone in press digging up cheney's 94 statement BEFORE we went into war?
Dave @ 65:
An excellent question, same as many, many of us have been raising.
60@Doggiebobo Says:
So, being a reasonable person, I will wait for Petraeus’s report to the Congress and not attempt to prejudge what he may or may not say. And being an ex-military person, I would never lump ALL senior military officials into one category inasmuch as they have a heart, and do in all instances(to my knowledge) think first and foremost about the safety and well-being of those serving under them, therefore I will not prejudge this General, but will wait for his testimony before Congress.
Being a smart person, you don't take the word of those who have lied to you previously. Or, take the word of those who is employed by those who lied to you previously. So far, when General Petraeus gave us Al Qaeda in Iraq, he proved to me he was a propagandist. Al Qaeda is being used to stay in Iraq. This unrealistic lie was developed and implimented right before our eyes. Now you want to wait patiently for Petraeus to deliver connecting propaganda. I don't think so.
The link I gave was unintended. I accidentally used the wrong poll. Click here for the right poll.
Joseph
strawberry @ 9:
...either that or he doesn't find DICK attractive sexually. He simply can't work up any wood to smell DICK's neck.
Gene @ 43:
Yes they did.
None these "pundits" do ANY journalism, and you can figure that FoxNewsPravda wouldn't
report it if they had the information.
why would any one care what's in this report. it's all garbage anyway. the adminstration, congress and the msm don't want his war to end. i just hope they don't preempt college football that day to cover this garbage.
Okay, I'm totally confused.
Chris, at one point is so far up Bush's a#*, loving him up, then he is sneering at some young, stupid girl, now he is reporting the news.
We may have a Sybil here.
But, I wonder how far he'll take this. Or is this just a one night blurb.
Not only is the WH writing the Sept. report, now Bush wants Patreus to report privately to Bush, Cheney & Rice. This isn't the way we were told it would be done. But what else is new? Someone asked why Rove would leave before the report came out. Because Rove already knows what is in that report, he probably helped create it. If anyone believes it is going to be anything but "surge working" is very naive.
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 60:
Lets just say that Tweety and Monica have alot in common....who knows about the cigars......the question is ....Booosh or DICK?
I.........loathe......Chris........Matthews. He has to be the bigest buffoon on television along with Larry Kudlow.
I marvel at how anyone can stand to watch him--granted, he worked for Tip but he clearly forgot the good old days when he couldn't buy his lunch. His loyalties are to anybody who will advance Matthews and his dizzy agenda.
Doggiebobo @ 62:
I'm certain that there are still many senior officers in the military who are a credit to their uniforms and the long line of honorable soldiers who came before them like General Eisenhower, General Butler, and Col. Hal Moore who come to mind immeadiately.
But Bush changed the equation starting with General Shinseiki who told the truth about Iraq and got sacked for it. In one scandal after another we have seen senior officers made out to be fall guys for debacles that were administered by the White House, whether is was the Tillman killing or Abu Ghraib torture scandals... Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld have used the officer corp as their personal "whipping boy."
I have no confidence in the pending Patraeus Report as that he's just another fall guy. In fact they weren't even going to let him testify at all before congress. The White House later changed this to they would let him testify, but only in private and with no cameras. What I feel is sorry for Patraeus... he was always destined to be left holding the bag.
Tweety; We knew that back in when. Where the FUCK were you?
i know he's a douche but did you hear him say "good question...dick." did i sense a lil sarcasm? hmmmm
hope @ 47:
Im pretty sure tweety stole that line from me. Ive used it many times in regard to arlen specter.
F**king thief!! lol
I do hope that Chris Mathews, Shaun Hannity, Bill O'Riley, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and all the rest of these right wing media thugs, are beginning to think about their life without Bush.
It is going to be very interesting
miss_kitty @ 2:
I KNOW THATS RIGHT!!!
Biggus Diggus @ 20:
How much you wanna bet the Democratic strategists(HA!) knew this clip existed but the DLC wimps didn't want to seem "to far left"?
motorfingaz @ 81:
And they will still refuse to use it!!!
Come on now Chris,
-Cheney knew this right after Desert Storm. But 9/11 changed all that.
As it changed the Kurds, Sunni's and Shia......................
-Cheney when asked to find the most qualified man to run as Georges V.P. Cheney found himself
that man.
-The reason Cheney found himself to be Bush's V.P. was alot to do with his speech on Iraq that you played.
Now they rattle chains of Iran.
Chris, aren't you going to get the Pom-Poms out and cheer lead as you and many others in the Press did over the Iraq invasion ?
Like you still call it a war in Iraq (to help GW) when the world is quite aware it is an Occpation.
And in occupations win and lose don't exist. Wish and don't want are your choices.
jeez, what's with this guy? truth or bull, truth or bull...PICK ONE AND STICK TO IT, ALREADY!
Chris Matthews isn't bi- or multipolar – he's just an opportunist. With a keen sense for which side is winning (in the polls, of course).
He knows exactly that Cheney looks stupid saying one thing in 1994 and the exact other since 2002. So it's safe for him to call him "Dick" (after all, Cheney is at, what?, 18 percent?). But Matthews also knew that all Washington was fawning about manly Bush when he "mission accomplished" in the spring of 2003, so he was fawning, too. And that's his way ever since.
Just wait until Hillary gets sworn in. You won't find a greater fan of hers than Tweety. Until she tanks in the polls, of course...
Gejo Says: "Okay, I’m totally confused.
Chris, at one point is so far up Bush’s a#*, loving him up, then he is sneering at some young, stupid girl, now he is reporting the news.
We may have a Sybil here."
I agree. Multiple personality disorder is the only explanation. Unfortunately, all of those personalities are rude, obnoxious boors.
Good question DICK
says it all
He's embarassing, but hey, y'all know ya loved it when he said "Good question, DICK." That shit was just priceless.
As far as the report goes, I guess we should've all seen it coming. Who wants to bet on what kinds of "progress" we'll hear about?
The Champ is out.
Did anyone else notice that in this same segment, they censored one of the pundits attacking Nanci Pelosi? They aren't even trying to hide the fact they are working for the DNC now are they?
This whole report was a load of horse shit. If Petreus cant be trusted, than why did the DEMOCRAAT CONTROLLED CONGRESS CONFIRM HIM???
So I just read about this poll on CNN about the amount of Americans that distrust the accuracy of the upcoming Whitehouse war report. The good news is that a majority of Americans are mistrustful of the report...BUT there was a very scary stat that they found that 26% of those polled believed that there was political progress being made in the Iraqi gov!!!!! Its those 26%ers at it again. Boy, maybe I should start a cult and take all of there money!!! These people never cease to amaze me..
That was only because it was back then.
Now of course it will be a smashing ( to our economy and constitution ) success because Great Leader Bush is at the helm.
I like Chris. He's neither a liberal nor a conservative.
But then again I'm Canadian. He's sort of like the majority of Canadians.
We're bits of both - but liberal makes up the biggest bit.
Scanning the comments here - it's clear is someone dares express points of view from both sides of an imaginary political line, they are out of line.
Does everyone here believe in exactly the same thing all the time?
If so - how strange - and how boring.
I think the idea that Chris Matthews is somehow doing the president's bidding -- or even that he is consciously manipulating audience opinion with a clever mix of information and disinformation (e.g., attacking Bush to build up the credibility of Petraeus, as someone suggests above) -- is way off-base. I think he's just all over the place, liable to be caught up in whatever enthusiasm strikes him at the moment... and, like so many in the press, fascinated by shiny things. Also, of course, as a former aide to Tip O'Neill, he sometimes feels it's necessary to go to the other extreme to prove he's not biased in favor of Dems.
Also, Matthews IS a diabetic -- maybe his attitude changes with swings in his blood sugar levels or some medication he's on.
Say, whatever happened to that Coalition of the Willing? Wasn't that the big difference in this war? Everyone in the world was behind us?
Throughout history people have hated their leaders. I wouldn't doubt that every single U.S. president has been hated by some one. So instead of all these emotional comments, why don't you look at the facts.
The Congress passed the bill that the "President" needs to give a report. Bush has stated that he will get his information from Petraues. Then as the Congress stipulated, Bush will give the report.
I think that the bill should have stated that Petraues give the speech from Iraq.
[...] EVEN CHRIS MATTHEWS SLAMS WHITE HOUSE REPORT [...]
Looks like it was a rare Good Tweety night. It's like there is a Good Tweety and an Evil Tweety. Once in a blue moon Evil Tweety is caught taking a nap and the Good Tweety sneaks out to do the right thing. But, alas! Evil Tweety always wakes up and re-possesses Good Tweety. Maybe an exorcist could help:
"The Power of Christ compels you!...
The Power of Christ compels you!...
The Power of Christ compels you!...
Out, Foul Tweety!! Begone!.....
.........
........
This House is now clear!"
gawd @ 94:
That was the problem, our guys were taking all the bullets.
Who in the Hell would ever want to admit they're a Rethug. with all the complete stupid assholes in the party of hatred?
Paul @ 97:
I'd rather see a couple of thousand people with crucifixes surrounding the White House chanting"
Be gone unclean spirits!
The Power of Christ compels you!...
The Power of Christ compels you!...
The Power of Christ compels you!...
It would make a dandy protest and who knows maybe we would even get to see Cheney spit pea soup!
Whatever...do you really think he's getting out an honest assessment of the situation in Iraq? I don't think so. More likely, it will be the White House that will write that report, so I'm not putting much stock in Patraeus' report, though I may have faith in the man himself.
Make your voice heard about the Patraeus report on http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=358
Vote on it!
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