Marcy Debunks Rove and Gregory over Valerie Plame: UPDATED
By John Amato Saturday Aug 18, 2007 1:09pm
Marcy Wheeler does what Gregory doesn't...David Shuster should have been conducting this interview, but you know Rove would never submit to that. And this segment shows why Cheney used MTP for message control. Get a question, spin---spin---spin---on to the next question.
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Marcy:
Not surprising, when David Gregory had Karl Rove on Meet the Press this morning, he never called Rove on any of Rove's misrepresentations. That's par for the course, on NBC. When Russert had Bob Novak on, he didn't call him on any of the misrepresentations, either. (Though to NBC's credit, they had Matt Cooper on to smack Karl around after Karl was gone.) Of course, both Russert (as Libby's fictional source for Plame's identity) and Gregory (as one of the people whom Ari Fleischer leaked Plame's identity to) are key players in this story. They're not exactly reporting from a position of comfort or clarity.
Here's the transcript, with my annotations:
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I'm hearing wingers say that Karl Rove should get the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Karl Rove does indeed deserve the Presidential Medal of Freedom as dispensed by this President…
i.e. It Means Nothing! Bush has redefined the meaning of patriotism to a corrupt act in the service of lies and partisanship. There needs to an asterisk in front of every historical citation of honor bestowed by this President explaining that it is invalid.
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the whole show is here
http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&t=s53&g=e10461f7-89e1-415c-aa58...
The interview with David Gregory was the phoniest I've seen in a long time. Gregory all but worshiped Rove and soft-balled all the questions and let Rove spin his own story. Disgusting! I used to respect Gregory a little bit but now I think he is a grand example of spineless journalism that has infected the traditional media. He should be ashamed!
sadly, Rove proves he is master of all even to the end. He carried the day in first impressions - which is about all you can expect from the American public.
The truth will be told about him, but in ways that will prove meaningless in a larger sense. There was a chance that he would be seen as an unindicted criminal. Instead the best that can be hoped for is that he will be seen as a man with enemies.
They will all get away with this. Rove is demonstrating that. It is even possible that by 2008 his clients will make gains. Hillary Clinton doesnt stand a chance against him based on his comments. If people repeat his mantra, and they will, Clinton will be seriously damaged.
We need to make sure he's not charged with anything..... just yet, until Bush leaves office. If he does get charged while Bush is in office, he's going to get a Presidential Pardon. Promote that thought ---> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=316
THE FIRST COMMANDMENT OF
LAPDOGMEDIA:Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall
set you freeye keep to thyself!(Because if you should ever tell the truth, you will be cast out of the Kewl Kids Klub and
thrown into the outer darknessexiled to Left Blogistan.)PollM @ 5:
Who's going to charge ANY of the Bush adminstration AFTER they leave? That's a joke, right?
This gubbermint, led by "men" like Rove, nauseates and disgusts me. There are no patriots left, it is only empty rhetoric and corruption. Falsehood rules, injustice rules, truth and honor are dead forever.
Shouldn't Rove and Cooper been on TOGETHER with Gregory? (Although, I'm sure Rove insisted on being solo, otherwise no interview). It's clear the Bush administration has mastered the art of plausable deniability, especially when they KNOW it won't be challenged WHILE they're denying (and they know the Dems don't have any balls!). i.e. Gonzo says one thing. Next hearing: Sampson says something different. Next hearing: Taylor says something else. Next hearing: Moschella says something else. Next hearing: Jennings says something else. Next hearing.....it's complete INSANITY!
Jeez, we have to watch a dumbass like Chris Wallace actually grill Rove?? with tape?? and on FOX!?? What is the world coming to?
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Rove_stumbles_through_questions_about_Plam...
Brad @ 3:
i half agree with you. i agree that he let rove off the hook with the answers rove gave. but he did ask the questions. gregory's job wasn't to cross examine rove. it wasn't a trial and he's not a lawyer. i think the format and agenda of the show was flawed. it didn't allow for indebt interview of specific issues. it was a touch on a myriad of issues. i'm not sure i can fault gregory for that. nor can i give him that much of a pass. but gregory has never been an amy goodman or any kind of muckraker and msnbc is just an all elite white boy network that's a step above fox in terms of propaganda and conservativism. so what do you expect? aside from keith olberman (who isn't exactly radical himself) who do they have that will dig deep in the issues?
I think it was some time during Clinton's presidency that the news media changed to argument instigators instead of information reporters. They will do anything they can to get people yelling at each other and do not give a rip about what is being discussed or if there is a right or wrong position or a factual position. When I see an issue that has 75% of the people on one side and the panel is evenly divided you will see my point. Everything these days is republican head or phone line vrs democrat head or phone line. All they do is push the dialogue into a two way debate. The sun came up in the east vrs the sun came up in the west. Doesn't matter at all if there is any fact or evidence to confirm anything. They will definitely not want to see the issue resolved.
Why would they ask questions to get the truth about Rove? Once this is done they have no program any more and we don't need them. If all things were proven in factual terms we could go back to having a one hour news hour at dinner time and they would have a lot of unemployed people and a lot less revenue. The whole thing is a snowball that just keeps getting bigger.
Arrest Rove already
mark @ 12:
well, you are probably right. fox news started in 1996. that's right after repbulicans took majority of the house in 1995.
remember these people; the dems, the repubs, the msm, the corporations, the rich and powerful, they're all on the same team, and we the public are on the other team. the msm used to be on our team, but the day clinton raised taxes on the wealthy they joined the other side.
mister mix @ 11:
What planet are you on? Rove answers the questions with obvious, evasive lies and you think its ok to let it go cuz Gregory is "not a lawyer"???
Look, Pal, that's exactly their f*cking job. Dig, dig, dig. Afflict the comfortable! Make em squirm. All those hacks (Gregory, Russert , etc.) should be fired.
Ben Bradley would have run 'em out quick but of course that kind of journalism is long gone dead. That said...Don't grant these cowards a pass when they give one. Unbelievable!
redcat @ 15:
i agree with all except the notion that the msm was ever not on the side of the elite. at best we had npr, a couple of newspapers, and independent multimedia programs. clinton era didn't change that at all. bush era, in which Michael Powell, the son of colin powell, was put in charge of fcc just relaxed regulations on media monopolies. thus giving the same rich and powerful msm more control.
What do people expect?
Look at David Gregory and KKKarl Rove dancing on stage!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hYZre8kEsuw
Its us against the elites folks!!
Mark @ News Corpse @ 1:
The medal of freedumb in this context is appropriate. He could then join the ranks of the traitor hacks who sold this country down the river for book deal and a position of affluence.
Meanwhile . . . no good deed goes unpunished.
Johnny2Bad @ 16:
what planet are you on pal? show me 1 definition of reporter that shows that their job is to grill their interviewees? the closest definition comes has to do with "write and issue official accounts of judicial or legislative proceedings". even this doesn't perform the function that YOU are looking for. Grilling karl rove on his answers may be what you may want him to do, but it's certainly NOT in his job description. don't attack me just cause i don't agree with you, buddy. david asked the questions, rove gave his responses. beyond that is extra. it generally goes into the debate segments on those shows (which that segment was not).
ps. i'm not your enemy, so leave your immature insults at the door.
I respected David Gregory until he embarrassed himself earlier in the year on stage with "Mc Rove" at the WHC Dinner. It was hard not to watch today's interview with Rove without thinking of the two of them on stage dancing. These are the repercussions of such events in the minds of viewers when we think that as soon as the camera is turned off, the two of them start swapping vacation plans. NBC should have had Keith Oberman or David Schuster interview Rove, that would have made for a more interesting and genuine interview. In addition, maybe they should follow the NY Times in pulling out of the event in the future. These days with You Tube, the behind the scenes closeness between the press and sources, can’t be masked.
NBC gets a failure mark. Rather than contribute to society, they chose to embody everything that has gone wrong with the media in the USA.
No pass.
Let me repeat meself!
In th Middle Age, 5% of the population kept a tight grip on, let’s call it “society” at that time. If you were a serf, you didn’t know anything about the world except what was within a walking distance. Think about it. 5 percent! Now days, we make fun of the 30% still supporting this sorry ass bastard. That’s close to 70.000.000 Americans. But they are the MSM, the corporations, the wealthy.
The ways events have been transpiring in the las eight months; Cheney, Rove, Bush, Gonzalez and the whole Soprano gang can come and admit all the shit they are guilty of, and chances are that nobody will do anything. Nothing will happen. Nobody will go to jail, be impeached, or be punished in any way, color or form. They got the money. They got the lawyers. They got the power. The rest is all plain talk, because there is nothing else to lose. That’s how low this whole situation got me since 9/11…
Rove is a sociopath. In another era, he wouldn't have resigned, he'd have lost a gunfight in a dusty Arizona town or been hanged at Nuremburg.
And, IMO, he did far more harm to America and to the world than 99% of others who fit that diagnosis.
Shorter Gregory:
Must. Pamper. Sources.
Holy crap...I'm watching a lair. I can read it in his face...how he reacts to the questions. This is very sad for the US.
I had some sympathy for Gregory until I watched the clips. He left so many lies unchallanged that I have to wonder if he was reading a Rovian script. Rove again tried to connect 9/11 to Iraq and Gregory let it go. What is he being paid to do?
David "I've got a skunk on my head" Gregory was a big time nothing on Press the Meat today. He might as well have kept his White House butt kissin' little ass at home, for all the good he did. My question for David is this; After the show David, did you and Karl go to bed and finish the job? After all, the entire show was nothing more than sickening foreplay.
lair=liar
garcia @ 23:
I don't think there are 70 million CEO's and Upper Class who benefit financially from the administration's actions. They are more like less then 1% of the population. the other >29% are people who are willing to be slaves and are comfortable with the idea of a secular executive power..or are just plain stupid and uninformed.
This interview was just putting the best light on the whole incident...
It was complete theater...
Meant only to entertain....
Mr Slimebag quick witted, always has a slight twist
on what is true I can hardly tolerate looking at his lying face
It's a sad day when Chris Wallace on Right Wing Tool (Fox) News is a tougher interview on this lying sack o' shit than MTP is. MC Rove gets a pass from his sycophant Gregory...
Journalists involved in the leak interviewing the leakers. The result should not be expected to be the truth.
paul @ 21:
...Rove would never have agreed to Olberman or Schuster treating him like a poodle at Michael Vick's.
When Rove said "Don't interrupt me", Gregory shut up and let his dance partner
continue to spew the Tsunami of Kool-Aid unabated.
A shameful reversal of the classic David and Go-lieth yarn.
mister mix, you must not of ever seen howard cosell conduct an interview. and i'm not talking about just sports. if he were alive there is not one single person in this admin. that would want to be in the same area code as howard, because their asses would be fried until they were barely alive.
Karl Rove is wrong about the British commission
The uranium allegation started life as a simple deduction, based on incomplete and speculative reporting following Wissam al-Zahawie's visit to Niger.
The British solicited and subsequently obtained fresh intelligence of questionable legitimacy in 2002 (early drafts of the British dossier explicitly state that Iraq "purchased" large quantities of uranium, not that they had merely "sought" it).
MI6 did not immediately and completely discount this evidence, despite repeated warnings from their colleagues at CIA, but they agreed to tone down the language (it was all brokered with some difficulty). [2]
When the IAEA exposed the fraud at the United Nations in early 2003, the British government ran away from the fake stuff as fast as possible and the Tony Blair appointed Butler Review commission sought to lessen its significance, but it is clear enough from early drafts, and the Taylor ISC Report, that the British partially based their judgment on unauthentic documents.
And contrary to what Karl Rove asserts in this video, the Butler Committee did not say the intelligence was well-founded - they said the British government's assessment and immediate statements were well-founded at that time.
"We conclude that, on the basis of the intelligence assessments at the time, covering both Niger and the Democratic Republic of Congo, the statements on Iraqi attempts to buy uranium from Africa in the Government's dossier, and by the Prime Minister in the House of Commons, were well-founded."
We now know that the British government received written summaries of the unauthentic documentary evidence in 2002, but the British did not get to examine the source documents upon which they were based until 2003.
Therefore, somewhat cryptically, the Butler Report concludes:
"d. The forged documents were not available to the British Government at the time its assessment was made, and so the fact of the forgery does not undermine it."
The committee's reasoning goes something like this: Even though a major plank of the British government's case was riddled with woodworm, because British officials were not aware of the infestation at the time their assessment was made, the fact of the rot is irrelevant. Ministers acted in "good faith".
[1] http://tinyurl.com/hgj8j
[2] http://tinyurl.com/34ewjg
mister mix @ 20:
So the media's job is to take what the administration says at face value and just not question it?
I prefer reporters report truth, not lies.
Rove only cares about rich, white, Republicans. He sure can make things sound nice on the surface, but take a look at what he has been overseeing as czar of the Katrina Reconstruction.
Republicans forced through the Gulf Opportunity Zone Act of 2005, or GO Zone. The GO Zone contains a variety of tax breaks designed to stimulate construction in Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama. It offers tax-free bonds to developers to finance big commercial projects like shopping centers or hotels. It also allows real estate investors who buy condos or other properties in the GO Zone to take accelerated depreciation on their purchases when they file their taxes. With large swaths of the Gulf Coast still in ruins from Hurricane Katrina, rich federal tax breaks designed to spur rebuilding are flowing hundreds of miles inland to Tuscaloosa to investors who are buying up luxury condos near the University of Alabama's football stadium.
more...
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1652501,00.html
Rove is definitely a turd. A blossom he isn't.
Gregory has become a shill. Watch!
Listen up;
So I believe what you're saying essentially is that;
It doesn't count if the intelligence was dirty if you didn't know at the time....
Even if your homework was sloppy?....
Gregory is a star f'er. He's probably made a fansite for MC Rove
Would someone please tell Meet the Press that more than one person can leak the identity of CIA employee and that the second, third, and fourth leakers are not exonerated because they were not first. But, then I can appreciate that it is hard to find fault with someone with whom you shared Rapper Stardom.
"If it's Sunday, it's Meet the Syncophants."
WHS
I'm telling you .... The main stream press is so cowed by the conservative movement that they just can't bring themselves to DO THEIR JOB which is, to ask tough questions, ask follow-up questions, and to do their homework prior to shows like Meet The Press.
David Gregory is good at the occassionally snarky remark directed at the president or the White House Press Secretary, but seat him accoss the table from Karl Rove? A chance to really show us if he's a big league guy? Well, David had nothing.
I can't bring myself to watch the video. David Gregory can go fuck Karl Rove. Bastards, both of them.
how could anyone tale them seriously together after MC ROVE?!?!?!
even better question: WHY would NBC *THINK* anyone should take them seriously after MC ROVE?!?!?!
A human reject. Predatory, sociopath and unchristian.
He will not walk the streets without fear for the deaths due to his lies.
If he has no fear then all the better.
He will still beg.
Gregory in the beginning were going after them with tough question, and look where he is now. Do you see a pattern? McCain, Lieberman, Hillary, and others that spoke out loudly there dissent, then in time roll for them whatever the new Rove talking points are. Acting AG Comey was right to not ever be alone with these guys as they are most likely to take over your mind.
This is the result so far from ABC News polls on the Democratic debate:
Barack Obama
5,534
Hillary Clinton
3,855
Dennis Kucinich
3,238
Joe Biden
2,663
John Edwards
2,219
Nobody won. I'm voting Republican.
939
Bill Richardson
675
Nobody won. I'm waiting for Al Gore to get in the race.
605
Mike Gravel
574
Chris Dodd
150
Total Vote: 20,452
David Gregory and his wife were in attendance at the White House State Dinner for the Queen of England(the people we defeated in the latter part of the 18th century, but who are our largest foreign investor).One MSM chattering head described those in attendance as America's royalty.
The national security state has created a co-dependent symbiotic relationship between institutions that should be scrutinizing each other. It truly is the 20 ton guerilla in the culture. Its subtle implication and nuance into our culture has been the major preventative to attaining a more beniegn and conscientious society.
mister mix @ 20:
I don't know if you're the "enemy"or not...nor what "immature insult" hurt your delicate feelings. (Frankly, I don't really care) But a simple googling of the word "journalism" will bring up some basic aspects of the profession for you to absorb. At the very least it requires that one follows a few simple tenets that you either choose to ignore or more likely, aren't even aware of. Things like "...a obligation to the truth", "...the discipline of verification" and "...first loyalty to citizens". Happily, the great institutions that comprise a healthy, independent free press were not founded on your vision of the craft...The corrupt stenography of corporate whores. So, at the risk of overstating the obvious (and I'm sure that I am), it is simply irresponsible to continue damaging the public trust, the very foundation of our free society for a big, fat paycheck. Its not a game for hacks. Its serious business.
p.s. grow up.
Who the hell is "Marcy" that is referred to?
David Gregory's interview of Karl Rove
was softball at it best. I guess Gregory
had to read his "Cheat sheet" and failed to listen to
Karl's lame responses and failed to ask the
incisive follow up questions that were obvious.
Gregory is a gutless suck ass bastard!!!!!!!!!! Anyone who thinks different only has to look as his dancing routine with rove. I used to think he had some cahones, but he is just a spine less hack for the bush BS line. How did this asshole ever become white house correspondent? How did such a gutless bastard ever get into this job. I'm ashamed to be a journalism major.
I tried to watch MTP, but could only stomach a few minutes. Karl Rove is such a smug arrogant lying little A-hole.
What an ugly mother f**king piece of human sh*t f**king turd f**king son of a f**king bi*ch ass repugnant ugly vomitous stinking sh*t for brains unamerican god f**king damn pr*ck ass bi*ch f*king stinking ugly ass pussy freak.
Ahhh.. I feel better now. :)
BTW: Is it just me or does Karl Rove look exactly like Porky Pig? (No offense to the real Porky Pig)
Johnny2Bad @ 50:
i didn't google anything. unlike yourself. i actually used reliable definitions. if wikipedia is your source for where to learn about what a profession is, then no wonder you are confused. it's interesting that you site "journalism" from a reference that right at the top of the page is sited for LACK of having references and "NEEDING IMPROVEMENT". In other words you know nothing of the basic idea of journalism. you have your own feeble little bias about what it is (which is why i thought i would give you a basic definition). anyway, i'm neither delicate, nor immature as your statements suggest. you're obviously too ignorant to comprehend the flaws in your own thinking. i will try to spell it out for you. YOU ARE LOOKING FOR DEBATE!. that segment wasn't meant for debate. that segment was interview. the DEBATE came later. do i need to show you that definition as well.
PS take your own advice about growing up.
Rick @ 55:
You beat me to it! Yeah, rover looks like porky after his nose has been put through a cuisinart. (no offense to the real porky.) I think it might be related to having your nose smashed into a male prostitute's groin repeatedly(while suppressing a gag reflex) during each of the 100+ overnight visits. minor correction: that means rover ain't a 'pussy freak' since something else turns him on.
paranoia @ 48:
So people are not allowing the media to marginalize the K-man! Great!!!!
mister mix @ 56:
Let me spell something out for you (in lower case without 'bold'): Anyone reading our exchange can see your original take (#11) and subsequent idiotic tap dancing are, in a word, p-a-t-h-e-t-i-c. Enough said.
P.S. Cram your dictionary.
shouldn't Chris Hanson have walked in on these guys
Rove is one hell of a smooth-talking liar. And notice how with him, Bush, and Cheney, they almost always are in controlled enviroments where they are not challenged on what they say.
The only exceptions where the presidential debates and we all know what a dufus Bush looked like in those.
Yeah right Karl. Saddam had to go because he was going to attack America with a nuclear bomb. And Gregory doesn't even challenge him - just keeps reading questions from his cheat sheet of questions.
That smirk is Rove thinking he can lie faster than the truth can catch up with him.
Is he willing to go on a lie detector?
Rove suggest that MR Wilson returned from Niger with evidence that was supportive of Iraq purchasing yellow cake uranium? This isn't jsut spinning the truth the thuth isn't even one of the ingredients of this sip lie pie.
Maybe off topic but, If we all believe so strongly in possessing weapons(for protection puposes of course). If we feel that way with firearms. Why can't countries have their own nukes? I know it sounds irrational. Especiially republican advocates. You know the type. Those who say give all the kids and teachers guns to keep the peace.
Why doesn't this ideology continue with all countries wanting to protect themselves and have the ultimate assault weapon. For defending themselves , mind you?
When they torture logic, you know people are next.
the video and the whole story does not appear to relate to US, as it used to be even in Clinton era. betraying a CIA operative etc gives the impression that some sub-Sharan country is in focus despite the characters like Rove, Plame, Gregory etc.
I love this! Rove says that that the Cheney comments were made in 1994, so they don't count in today's world. Then he comes right about and says, "What if we had left after the invasion of Italy and North Africa were going badly?" So, 1994 doesn't count, BUT 1944 DOES!
Ngahh! My head is gonna pop.
David Gregory is the last person to interview Rove and get real answers. I think he is more interested in dancing with Karl Rove at the White House Correspondents' dinner.
Johnny2Bad @ 59:
dear mrmix, It seems clear to me that you are right and are needlessly allowing a troll to irritate you. That's what they do. They try to lure sane people like you into annoying pointless exchanges. I don't know why they do it but perhaps it makes them feel better about the way they voted. Just my 2 cents friend. keiran
Regarding Valerie Plame’s identity, Karl Rove said, “What I did say to one reporter was, I’ve heard that, too”.
Attention, Karl. You may remember that, before you got your security clearance, you were trained how to protect Secret information. I know you received this training because Everyone who gets a security clearance receives this training. It’s mandatory. As part of that training you were instructed not to confirm secret information, because, even if you are not the first person to divulge a secret, then confirming secret information is … well, confirming secret information.
When you have a Security clearance, and you confirm information that is supposed to be Secret, then you’ve committed a felony, and at the very least your clearance should be immediately revoked. Unless you work for George W. Bush, in which case Laws Are For Other People.
keiran @ 69:
Troll??? Look my posts up. Then shut up.
John Amato-Congratulations!!!
Coward and Liar
Gregory is nothing more than a backup dancer for Rove. I thought we all knew this already.
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