Ari Fleischer's Propaganda Iraq War Ad
By John Amato Wednesday Aug 22, 2007 3:40pm
Scarce sent in this video. The propaganda that is hitting our airwaves over the Iraq war with creatures like Ari is sickening. This warmonger brought up WWII and the tired and wrong "we shouldn't have gone into Germany" routine (Barbara mentioned this mind set in her C&L post) in his defense of this. Ari is so 2007---and we're all just Dirty F*&king Hippies stuck in a 2001-2002 mind frame.
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Barnicle: Ari, the ad is so powerful. The visual aspect of the ad is so powerful with that wonderful noble young man with the sight of that plane flying into the Word Trade Center filled with Saudi terrorists, not Iraqi's could lead several Americans I would suspect to think that Oh!, Iraq was in on 9/11. Don't you think so?
Fleischer: Mike you're stuck in the 2001-2002 time table and debate. It is so far beyond that debate. That's like saying we never should have gone into Germany cause after all it's just the Japanese who attacked at Pearl Harbor.
This link to Germany and Japan is despicable, but neocons have no shame. Iraq was not part of the World Trade Center attacks and Ari knows it, but they need a propaganda link, so---there you go. Ari doesn't even know the wounded soldier's name in his own ad. There is no hole deep enough for these people and not even Hell should welcome them...If you don't think this has been coordinated with the WH, well...I know you do. Ari's group is called Freedom Watch:
is a new White House front group[1] of prominent conservatives masquerading as a grassroots movement (i.e. astroturf) which began a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign on August 22, 2007 "to urge members of Congress who may be wavering in their support for the war in Iraq not to 'cut and run'."[2]
"A sort of shadow White House communications shop has emerged to help the beleaguered president sell his unpopular war to the American people," Jake Tapper and Avery Miller wrote August 22, 2007, at ABC News.[3]
"The group is organized under section 501(c)4 of the tax code, meaning that it can lobby on issues but cannot expressly advocate for specific candidates. Its stated mission is 'to ensure a strong national defense and a powerful effort to confront and defeat global terrorism'," Mike Allen wrote August 22, 2007, in The Politico.[4]
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Warner wants to start withdrawal.
He must be retiring.
Geez.
I assume that there's another issue there aside from the fact that during WWII, the Congress actually DECLARED war.
Saw this pathetic excuse for a human yesterday. What a shill. "let's not talk about last year"..."let's not talk about the mistakes getting there.." "let's talk about here and now.."
Ok bimbo, here and now is people are eventually going to see their country go through a possible cleansing if we just withdraw. We CAN do a withdrawal which turns the country over to their fledgeling government, and perhaps they can be spared that. The constant suicide bombing attacks is pretty much as miserable as it can get, except on a daily dossage.
Get our asses OUT of Iraq now. Let these fascist chickenhawks go supervise the withdrawal. They deserve no less.
smass @ 2:
A point seldom discussed in this debate, but needs to be.
I guess Ari doesn't know that Germany DECLARED WAR on the USA 4 days after Pearl Harbor. The USA did NOT declare war on Germany as a reaction to the Japanese attack.
For Ari's stupid example to work, Iraq would have had to declare war against the USA 4 days after the 9/11 al Qeada attack, and we would have then had to have refused to attack Iraq. I don't recall that happening.
What a POS.
Ari seems to forget that Germany declared war on us first, because we declared war on Japan in response to Pearl Harbor.
My history may be a bit rusty here but didn't Germany declare war on the United States after the United States declared war on Japan, following the December 7 attack on Pearl Harbor? I believe that was the order of things, in keeping with Berlin's security alliance with Tokyo that constituted, with Italy, the Axis Alliance.
Regardless, in the dark shadows behind Ari Fleischer the pale shade of Joseph Goebbels stands smiling. "Yes, this was how we did it in our day. You have learned our lessons well."
Amen John. Good Post and way to stick it to them with perspective. That's why I come here. Thanks.
pathetic this guy doesn't even know the guys name who he is exploiting in the commercial.
If you say anything enough people will believe it.. Ad in the visual, even better and more effective. These people are lower than pond scum.
FOLLOW THE $$$$$
Germany... declared... war... on... the... United States... after... Peal Harbor! (Slams head against keyboard.)
"Did we give up after the German's bombed Pear Harbor....NOOOOOOO!!!!"
"I thought it was the Japanese?"
"Shhhhhh, he's on a roll"
Orangutan. @ 8:
Thanks. So much is going on that sometimes I can't get these up as soon as they happen. We're working on overdrive in August. No breaks...Dang...
Germany declared war on the U.S. on Dec. 11, 1941. But earlier on Sept 11, 1941, FDR explained how Germany had attacked the clearly American-flagged Greer and threatened German and Italian ships if they entered American waters.
Bush isn't the only one conservative who doesn't know history.
First Bush demonstrates he knows nothing about Vietnam, now this moron ups the stupidity.
Pathetic.
We are getting bombed with these ads down here in Florida. I saw at least three different ones yesterday. The most despicable thing about this is they use the word "surrender" and they show a plane flying into the towers. They try to connect 9-11 with Iraq. Sadly, they just may work. I sure as hell hope not.
As far as accurate history is concerned, ari doesn't give a damn about accuracy, he just wants to make his point, history be damned.
Senator Warner is calling on troops being pulled from Iraq-CNN
mister mix @ 9:
and boosh hasn't attended a single funeral
and rummy had his signature on the letters to next-of-kin signed by a machine
We all should know by now that the war machine getting paid is the only consideration they have.
Eric, he said he wants bush to announce the beginning of some sort of pullout to show the Iraqis we won't be there forever and maybe it would push the Iraqi govt to get serious.
If Bush is so concerned about a bloodbath after th US leaves Iraq, he could just allow in more than just a few thousand American supporting Iraqis.
I'm gonna be very, very honest with this comment, and I don't know if I will be attacked by it, but his is the truth as I see it:
I have sacrificed nothing for the occupation in Iraq. Moreover, when Ari said that Americans have sacrificed when a soldier dies, that is false. The family of that soldier sacrificed for this country. I didn't. When that soldier dies, or looses a limb, or gets a horrible brain injury, or commits suicide, I've sacrificed nothing.
So for Ari to sit there in with an pias, earnest look on his face, saying that we've all sacrificed and that we need to 'stay in the fight', is a bunch of hog-wash.
I may be wrong in saying that, but it's the truth.
[Deleted. OK, your joke has worn thin. Shouldn't you be in class? -- Sitemonitor]
WTF are they teaching in history class anyway? Is the prof. Mr. Magoo?
Remember Anne Coulter asserting that Canada fought in Vietnam? Check it out and let hilarity ensue.
I Am A Banana, last night when my husband and I were watching this same interview with ari, we said the same thing you did after he said we had all sacrificed. We haven't lost anything or anyone in this war. We will all have to pay for it but as for personal sacrifice, nothing. Our friend was sent to Iraq and we worried about him during the time he was there but thankfully he came home fine.
Uh, Germany declared war on us after we declared war on their ally, Japan.
It would've been the height of social faux pas to have declined their invitation without a
Respondez s'il Vous Plait.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but after we declared war on Japan, one of the Axis Powers (Ari, are you listening? Spit out your gum. Stay in your seat. Stop talking class), Germany declared war on us! That's why we went into Germany! Gee! Feature that! Don't you think, little Ari, that if a country declared war on us, we ... er ... might have the option to stay home. Er ... maybe we have to defend ourselves? Now, Ari, you get an F on your paper....
mister mix @ 4:
Hey, yet another link between Vietnam & Iraq -- hell, even Korea -- we never declared war during any of these invasions.
"Mike you’re stuck in the 2001-2002 time table and debate."
Yeah, truth is so outdated!
I mean might *not* have the option to stay home, as only idiots would refuse to defend themselves....but Buchanan, Pat Buchanan wrote that book back in 2000 where he said we had no business in Germany. That being the case, I guess we have no business in Afghanistan and Iraq. Pukewad Repug logic changes according to whim.
I really cannot stand to listen to any more of these assholes and their fear and warmongering.
Yeah, Ari cares so much for the Soldiers that have fought that he can't even remember the name of the Soldier that is in the commercial? Man, I hate that guy.
Well, we know at least two republicans flunked history. Two children left behind in history class.
pissed off patricia @ 24:
At least on a certain level, the Occupation was more real for you. You had a sample of the worry and anguish someone would feel over their family in this so-called War. I think it is by design that the majority of Americans are not to be aware of the sacrifice that so few people in this country face over this so-called war.
I think the word sacrifice has been thrown around so much, it's lost it's meaning.
IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 30:
Don't know what happened to my link but will try again.
WHO IS PAYING FOR THESE ADS ?
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Wow, that's the first time I have shouted at my computer in awhile. They are coming at us again with the entire catalog of disingenuous BS they have come up with over the last 4-5 years.
Ari: you're stuck in the 2002 frame when asking if Iraq had ANYTHING AT ALL to do with 911(while we visually equate this soldier's loss of limbs in Iraq with the WTC attack).
WHAT? I am stuck in the same lie that you have been propogating since 911. Just because we have dug ourselves into a hole for no discernable reason DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE F&^%$#ING KEEP ON DIGGING.
tx bubba @ 14:
Not only that but the Tripartite Pact was signed in Berlin, Germany on September 27, 1940 by Saburo Kurusu of Imperial Japan, Adolf Hitler of Nazi Germany, and Galeazzo Ciano of Fascist Italy entering as a military alliance and officially founding the Axis Powers of World War II that opposed the Allied Powers.
Why is it that all these war-supporting ball-cuppers are so damn insecure in their position they have to keep putting "freedom" or "patriot" in their little clique's label? "The Patriotic Ball-Cradlers of Freedom".
Who do you think you're fooling, you infantile set of psychotic clowns?
Ari looks like he's aged ten years since he used to stand up there at the podium and treat reporters like dirt with his smart ass comments and looks.
Fleischer: Mike you’re stuck in the 2001-2002 time table and debate. It is so far beyond that debate. That’s like saying we never should have gone into Germany cause after all it’s just the Japanese who attacked at Pearl Harbor.
Mr. Fleischer, Japanese were supporting Hitler and we witnessed the atrocities of Hitler against humanity. We had a case then and to go along that line for your iraq war is absurd.
Mind you, I just watched the movie, "Good German." There were many Jews for the sake of survival betrayed their own brothers. They are doing the same now.
Ari checked out of the white house in time to protect his ass and so Bush and cabal can burn in hell.
It's official now. This is booshco's signature band and song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg186kLAG0g
Bravo, Ari. Completely ignore the FACT that the US invasion created a haven for "terrorists" in Iraq, and that they and their sympathizers are there only because the US is.
Why is it these a$$hats will not put their warmongering asses on the line for something the would have us think they believe in? Why can't they answer a direct question without spin and deflection?
Why do they insist on using 911 imagery and then discount objections to that as valid to invading Iraq as "old" and "stale" thinking.
What a bunch of BS.
This is not despicable...this is neocon philosophy in action
the neocons believe that the american people are ignorant
so they can say whatever they want, rewrite history and the people will believe it.
and until now, this tact has worked
look at how many believed (and some still believe) that sadaam had something to do with 9/11...even after the chimp said he didnt
so fleisher rewrites the history of ww2....so did lufa boy 2 years ago
and the neocons have been attempting to make as many connections in regards iraq to ww2 since bush 1 was in office
so i am not surprised, and i am way past feeling disgust....its just the same old, same old
BTW, Freedom's Watch, in the mold of so many other RW stealth groups doesn't have a Ph# at their website.
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 43:
Remember Bush getting his panties in a wad because critics were trying to "rewrite history"?
The situation with Germany gets more complicated when we look at the role of the Merchant Marines in the war. We were inciting Germany to draw us in to the war.
Oh, tell me, what were their names, tell me, what were their names?
Did you have a friend on the good Reuben James?
Oh, tell me, what were their names, tell me, what were their names?
Did you have a friend on the good Reuben James?
If we attacked a few more countries, we could get past pre-2008 thinking and start fighting terrorists there too. We could fight billions of terrorists in hundreds of nations!
I suppose Ari would say our intelligence community also is operating with a pre-9/11 paradigm, since they've regularly said that Iraq had nothing (NOTHING) to do with 9/11 or its perpetrators.
These f#$ing bags of stinking s#@t depend for their very survival on the fact that most people are utterly ignorant of historical (or for that matter, any ) facts.
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is (their) strength.
timmm @ 37:
"Bush named Iraq, Iran, and North Korea in his speech."
"One criticism is that unlike the Axis powers, the three nations mentioned in Bush's speech have not been coordinating public policy, and therefore the term axis is incorrect. Also, while the Axis Powers of World War Two signed diplomatic treaties, such as the Pact of Steel and the Tripartite Pact, with one another that created a military alliance between them, none of the nations that make up the "axis of evil" have taken similar steps.
In addition, Iran and Iraq fought the long, bloody Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, under basically the same leadership as that which existed at the time of Bush's speech leading some to believe the linking between the nations under the same banner as misguided. Others argue that each of the three have some special characteristics which are obscured by grouping them together. Anne Applebaum has written about the debate over North Korea's inclusion in the group.[5]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil
wait, i thought iraq was like vietnam? *scratches head*
but, really, any refutation of their wargasmic propaganda only plays into their hands. they WANT to talk about the (false) analogy of iraq to WWII. they want to have that conversation, it helps distract and allows them to try to convolute "the greatest generation" with the neocons.
yes, they are wrong, but, to me, it is folly to even legitimize their BS with facts--they are immune.
also, hold the fuck old is ari? wow, time has not been kind to his grizzled soul.
also, part 2, until ari 'waterboy' fleischer answers for his role in the traitorous act of exposing a national secret his (mis)thoughts, (un)ideas, and (pseudo)arguments should be discounted as a sad plea by a man addicted to attention who is desperate to have anyone really care what he thinks, about anything.
Now it's obvious where Ari has been hiding out after his departure as spin-guy for the administration -- at a catered, exclusive, big ol' kool-aid keg party/war-mongering/fear-mongering camp. Well, summer's over, so please slink back into your slimey, fear-encrusted hole, Mr. A. F.!
We'll still be debating whether we should pull our troops out of Iraq in the 2012 election. The U.S. has permanent bases and democrat or republican will not abandon them. So unless a third party takes power, get used to troops in Iraq for another generation.
Anyone want to bet on this?
Sez it all, me thinks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSYbrzSFb68
Wake up people .....We are never leaving Iraq ....Never!......................We are building the worlds largest embassy in Baghdad and we are building 14 large permanent bases all over Iraq.Wake up folks we have been lied to from the start of this mess.
One would think Fleischer would have slunk off into the shadows to hide and hope Americans didn't remember him after his role as chief liar for BushCo in the early days but I guess he just couldn't sit around and lie only to his family anymore.
Ari didn't seem bothered at all about agreeing to a draft.
Their only problem is selling Congress on the draft. For that, they need to manufacture an emergency.
The people won't stand for it, that's why Homeland Security has been heavily investing in riot gear.
Next they'll be telling us there's no preceding war like our current war, and will start using futuristic combat analogies like the Federation-Lyssian War.
Bush the Liar @ 52:
i'll bet that we won't be debating it in 2012 but there will be a US military presence still.
Yeah Ari said he needed to spend more time with his family.
I think he should go with that.
If the dems lose the next election Im moving to canada.I say that because bush co is making it to easy for them.
Will Snowjob be joining him?
Let's see, the soldier says he reenlisted after 9/11 and they show a visual of the 2nd plane about to hit, but asking questions about how that is connected to Iraq is being stuck in the 2002 argument.
Everybody sacrifices everytime a soldier is killed? Metaphorically, maybe. How about a tax increase to pay for the war? During WWII there was gas and rubber rationing, and "Meatless, wheatless and sweetless" days.
There was also a draft.
"That’s like saying we never should have gone into Germany cause after all it’s just the Japanese who attacked at Pearl Harbor."
Words fail. Is Ari really that stupid or does he just assume that we are that stupid?
goatsage @ 55:
i know, it really is a butt-ass crazy for ari to throw himself back into this shit. such a cocky little shit.
he should have pulled a colin powell and divorced himself from the iraq clusterfuck and just whistled while walking away from the death and destruction they both helped to sow.
yeah, that's right colin, some haven't forgotten about your complicity either
John, are you going to post Paul Reickhoff's response?
Chew toys, indeed!
Dont be deceived, this is just more culture of death rhetoric.
Reminds me of Vietnam. The same culture of death then tried to solve problems they didnt understand by killing. This is the same story.
I will repeat something import I have said before ... their timeline always begins following the most important event - the criminal act of invading Iraq. Criminal because it was an opportunistic war - which is illegal by international law and illegal in the US via treaty. Their sense of reality doesnt start until after that event. If this were reasonable, they would be legally in place and under attack by aggressors. If this were unreasonable and illegal, then they would be illegally in place and under attack by defenders. This is key.
The definition of Zero Hour MUST BE TAKEN FROM THEM. Zero Hour must be defined by the date of the original crime - the illegal invasion of Iraq and the start of the war of opportunity.
booshco at war:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSbnOtzY_I
The proper WWII analogy would be if after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, FDR retaliated by declaring war on Singapore.
So if Iraq is Vietnam, the Iran is Laos?
And that's a good thing?
No Shame. Ari why don't you and your kids go to the front lines then we'll see how long you want this war to last. Jerk off.
John, not only THAT (CNN, etc...), on my LOCAL radio station WILK, they had a war vet (or an actor? is THAT why Fleischer can't name the vet???) linking 9/11 to the Iraq War (false), implying we're in Iraq to keep our American kids safe, he ends with, "Tell your congressman to keep us in Iraq, so I didn't lose my legs for nothing"...
...you'll find out later, that WE paid for this SOMEHOW with our tax money!!!!!!!!
(see "Rove uses tax money for GOP")
Fleischer kept repeating that tired old refrain that if one supports the troops then one must support the war [which is actually an occupation]. My experience at the bank today was similar to viewing this tape. The bank teller said her husband is in Iraq and that she supports the war. She proudly informed me that her husband and her unit are in Iraq in order to protect the country from terrorists. I asked her if she knew how many of the terrorists are in Iraq. She said [not surprisingly] that she did not know. When I told her that only 2 to 6 per cent of those who are engaged in fighting against the U.S. and coalition forces could be considered terrorists or fighters from another country, she told me that was my opinion. Even after I pointed out to her that those figures came from people such as reporter Thomas Ricks of the Washington Post, retired General William Odom. and Congressman John Murtha, she still insisted that was still my opinion.
That womans' husband, unfortunately, and his unit are all too willing to buy the propaganda that is handed out by the government, the military and Fox "News" and people like Ari Fleischer. The feeling is that if this woman's husband would, for no justifiable reason, return to this country maimed and crippled, his wife would most likely continue to believe that his suffering and injuries were made for a noble cause instead of what it really is, which is a lost cause.
another analogy: a ship (Maine) is blown up, we blame a weakened seemingly unsympathetic country and we go to war and build an empire and the people who sell papers cheer it all on
You have to admire the sheer audacity of the GOP sometimes.
They lie to get us into a war, rush troops into harm's way, and then use the fact that we are at war to squelch any questioning of how we got there and use the "support the troops" mantra as a basis for continuing the war.
P.T. Barnum would be in awe. It even tops Lyle and Eric Menedez asking the judge for leniency because they were orphans.
OH MY GOD! I just saw the first ad on CNN! FUCKING SHAMELESS!!!!!NOT A SINGLE FACT! THESE GUYS ARE SCUM! Sorry for yelling. Horrible. Just horrible.
Erroll..., anyone we shoot at, is a terrorist. Anyone who shoots back is a terrorist.
From the neocon perspective the proper test to determine if someone is a terrorist, is to kick them in the gnads. If they get mad and try to kick you back, then they are a terrorist.
See how simple it is?
One million terrorists down, six billion left to go.
Lest we all forget Ari Fleischer was named as one of the leakers of Valerie Plame's covert intelligence status.
Fleischer is greasier than his namesake butter.
Petreus hasn't read Bush's report yet, and all the pundits are telling us that the surge is working great!
Any guesses as to the tone of Bush's report?
Does these idiots actually listen to the crap they spew? Oh, and nice touch not even knowing the actor's name.
Weaseldog @ 79:
How about a symphony of delusion and deceipt.
Money doesn't talk. It swears.
Same old false talking points, connecting Iraq with 911,comparing Iraq to WWII,cut and run. It never ends with these thugs. They are cling ing be a stread to power and slipping fast.The lies don't work anymore. We bought the terrorists to Iraq with the war. They're not coming here from Iraq. We're not buying the lies anymore.
When people like Ari go home, wtf do they talk about ? I mean, really....if this guys soul could be photographed, it would look like a smokers lungs after puffing on 3 packs of Lucky's a day.
I saw that interview and he couldn't even name the legless soldier he was "using" in his ad. He did NOT know his friggin name !!!!!
Ari just got up in front of the television camera and told America he and his group have 15 million dollars to manipulate the dialouge and us. He said it with a straight face. No shame whatsoever.
Is there nothing these Rethug. slugs won't lie about??
You have to remember that these folks rewrite history. In simple language that means they lie all the time and especially about the past. Next thing you know they'll say Sadam Hussien was an ally of Iran. Then they will say they were plotting against the US. Then they'll say the Democrats were in on it too, and who knows what else... They are not stupid. They think the American people are.
"Ari just got up in front of the television camera and told America he and his group have 15 million dollars to manipulate the dialouge and us. He said it with a straight face. No shame whatsoever."
and I imagine Ari got paid some portion of the 15 million or someone did....who received compensation for this and how can we find out ?
Andy @ 88:
Damn, I remember a diary over at Daily Kos that did a money trail a few days ago....I can't even send e-mail photos with screwing it up but I think you might be able to do a diary search using ari's name. The list of slimey bastards on that list made me sick.
Crags @ 6:
Actually the Japanese declared war on the US first, they did the informal introduction bombing the shit out of Pearl Harbor... they submited the formal paperwork within hours I believe.
Nevermind that Germany, Italy and Japan were part of an axis of mutual defense. Declaring war on Japan was for all intents and purposes equal to declare war on Germany and Italy by proxy.
But those are facts, and those are 1940s facts at that, 9/11 changed everything you know.
beck @ 87:
Yeah, next thing we know the 8-year Iran-Iraq war will be framed as a friendly disagreement between two allies over which one hated the US more.
The problem is not that they are bold faced liars, the problem is that NO ONE in the mainstream media calls their shit out when they manipulate facts nillie willie in the open. For example, look at Bolton's interview with a British news programme to see how real journalism works: You pull shit out of thin air, and the interviewer has enough background on the subject to question the shit that the interviewee just pulled out. The hissy fit that Bolton threw with the pat ethic "Do you hate freedom?" as a retort, was legendary... because it exposed what an enabling role the US journalistic establishment has become.
Interviews are not about the host agreeing with the person being interviewed, and freedom of expression does not give one the right to lie. False statements should be treat as public slander.
Documentation:
http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/germwar.shtml
limp-Dick Blimpaugh @ 86:
Their love of money, that is sincere...
Mike,Mike,Mike.You're stuck in the wrong time frame.What you want to be talking about is 1939/1945.
I really love the GOP's argument that we have to keep going or everything so far will have been in vain.
It's kinda like losing half your life-savings in a bad investment you were conned into, and then the con man telling you to throw the other half in too so that the first half won't have been wasted.
When you bring up his lies and ask the con man why you should trust him now, he tells you to quit living in the past and asks you if you want to get your money back or not.
How's it feel to earn your fat living off the blood and sweat of American soldiers, you chickenhawk?
The Bush administration has done nothing competently. We should not allow them to do anything whether it's right or wrong because they are sure to screw it up.
wontontoboi @ 74:
It gets better than that, the US blocked any effort to refloat the Maine for an engineering inspection. You know it being US property and all. Finally the ship was examined, and the possible cause for the explosion was a crappy US made powder packet. So this country has been going to war under false pretext from waaaay back.
Ironically, the weakened unsympathetic country that was attacked was one of the strongest allies of the American revolutionaries. The Spaniards enabled trade routes around the British blockade, harassed British transatlantic movements of troops, and set up trade companies to funnel large quantities of military equipment and personnel into the colonies at a much larger scale than the French for example did. So nothing says thank you American style, than kicking your first ally when they are down. Backstabbing has been an American quality from day 1, literally. Our gratitude to the French by calling them surrender monkeys after 2003 has also been totally classy.
xoites defends Constitution @ 85:
When you are making billions of dollars from this war, 15 million dollars for marketing is really nothing.
I mean, they can do much better than that... this war is not going to sell itself! But for the amount of lobbying and propaganda the return on investment ratios have been astounding for the Oil and Military conglomerates.
I hope at least that Sgt. McTool got a good pay out of this. If he did it for free, after losing limbs for king and haliburton... then he is even more stupid than he looks. Either that or GOP-Cola must be the stronges Kool Aid flavor out there.
Although its pathetic to think about,it occurs to me that these slugs would probably drum up more support for this horror show if they decided to simply level with the American people and tell them the truth."Yeah,listen.All this stuff about Democracy,and Liberty and freeing the Iraqi people from tyranny?Its pure horse shit!We lied! We know very well that Saddam had squat to do with 9/11,but guess what?He's sitting on a shit load of oil!What we really have in mind is this:We want to kill Saddam,steal all the oil and set up a permanent strategic military presence in this God forsaken dump.Yes..its utterly immoral on every conceivable level,but think of the opportunities!"
I was actually asked to edit this commercial about 2 weeks ago. I am a freelance editor in the NY/NJ area. The advertising company involved is a new startup. The owner (who is a friend of mine) tried to book me for a 3 day edit on a "National Political Spot". when I called to get more details on the topic he told me about the Lobby group involved and the make up of the campaign. I told him that I couldn't help push this propaganda. He told me that he lost about 50% of his production crew because of the nature of the campaign. They were paying about 40% more than the standard day rate for an editor and they still were having trouble finding people.
I edited the Matt Lauer intervew with Dubya back in 2004 (the one on the bus with the famous "you can't completely stop terrorism" quote). That was hard to accept as well but I was pleased to be involved in the process. This one was complete propaganda and was too hard to accept.
So he basically said, "that's soooooo 2001". Their arguments are getting more and more ridiculous.
Ari, shut-up and go back to your hole.
Ari is one of the Eli Lily cabal who probably should be held criminally responsible for poisoning of an entire generation of children.
Hope you enjoy the money now Ari because it wont be going with you come judgement day.
Carrot & shtick,
Forgive me, but I must take issue with your "assertion of FACT that....
(quote)
..."that the US invasion created a haven for “terrorists” in Iraq, and that they and their sympathizers are there only because the US is."
...use your imagination and look at it another way...
What if..... China and Russia were hit with a terror attack from 19 Canadians w/ boxcutters...and subsequently decided George Bush was a bad dictator... who needed to be removed because he(spied on his own people) and approved of torture and did not even recognise the geneva conventions and was friends with the Canadian prime minister....(easy enough so far huh) ?!!!
(imagine) ...that (you and I) were arrested for (defending America) during the course of fighting the invasion... (although you would probably just lay on the couch, and be thankful to the communists) that Bush was on the run......
...and they labeled us "Terrorists" because we opposed the puppet govt they were trying to install...
What if they labeled us... "militant/right wing/Christian fundamentalist/fanatical constitutionalists"
...with clear ties to the (terroristic) Neo-con republican party...
How would that make you feel?
Al-CIAda is (probably not very active in Iraq) and resting comfortably in Saudi Arabia and/or Pakistan (quietly living off of their CIA pensions)...
Al-CiAda has been successful in fullfilling their employers (Carlyle Group) wishes
... I do have this nagging "gut feeling"that they may pop up soon again though...
Lou,
That's stunning stuff...and good for you. Ari makes one guts flip upside down just looking at him.
There comes a time when one has to draw the line in the sand for himself and say no mas....
The irony of it all is Ari was spewing how he "feels their pain" then when asked what the soldiers name was he was propagandizing, he didn't have the foggiest idea. If you gave this guy a blood test, white stuff like the android from Aliens would come out. It was the coldest most heartless thing I have ever seen a wing nut "overlook". The kid had no legs...he used him for millions...and he didn't know his name.
Right now I am not a fan of any politicians but wingers repulse me.
Oh my god, just like herpes. Ari comes back.
I didn't miss that guy one bit...
This is a rather ingenous plan on the neocons part. Instead of still denying the use of 9/11 to justify Iraq, just EMBRACE it. Make it yours.
"Yep. 9/11 = Iraq. Iraq = 9/11. They're THE SAME!!!"
Wash.
Rinse.
Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
Truth.
Between this and the Bush's wild ride through Vietnam War history, this week should be high in the running for 2007's Orwell Awards.
pinkobait @ 100:
Problem with that is that soldiers would demand a cut of the profits, and that would get in the way of the sheer wealth transfer going into the coffers of military contractors, energy companies, and financiers. It is easy to convince some idiot kid from the midwest to join up because some evil rag head may come to take over his piece of shit farm town no one cares about, if that fails just fuck up the economy enough so that minorities and poor white people have the army as one of the few options to avoid starvation. Et voila, you have a bunch of idiots fighting your war on the cheap.
Heck, I wouldn't even be surprised if the tool they used in the commercial gave his screen time for free.
[...] State University Ari Fleischer’s Propaganda Iraq War Ad » This article link is from an article posted at Crooks and Liars on Thursday, August 23, 2007 [...]
bns @ 107:
What we are observing is the byproduct of the interlacing of the Goebbels' school o propaganda; If a lie is repeated enough it becomes reality. And the Straussian neo-con stable of thought; If you are going to lie make sue the lie is big enough so that no one could possibly think that we would lie so blatantly.
So there you have, like everything else... America makes things bigger. So we managed to one-up the rest of the world when it comes to propaganda.
Heck, Orwell must be spinning so much in his tomb that we should at least try to harness the rotational energy as a new source of energy. Trying to make the best of a bad situation I guess....
Did this pro-Bush group come out of nowhere with $15,000,000 to spend on ads? How? Who funded them?
mister mix @ 4:
I'm sure ari can't remember that. Does he remember that bush cut and ran from Vietnam?
I guess that the publi cons just can't remember shit. (bart simp - oops - gonzo)
SELECTIVE MEMORY ;)
My gawd. If only I'd realized sooner, I'm just a dirty f@#king hippie stuck in a 2002 mind-set.
But 2001 happened, 2002 happened, and I remember. So did 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and here we are in 2007 and it's worse than ever. Guess I'd better take some Koolaid and get with the programme, eh??
We went after both Germany and Japan and help reconstruct the country with using their own people to do so. No contract with outside corporation. We enable their own people to put pride into rebuilding their country and gave them hope for a better future.
If Ari wants to use our WWII history as a way things ought to be, then let him employ how we rebuild that country into Iraq. We at least owe them that for a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
Hey guys, the number to Freedom watch is 1-877-222-8001. They wouldn't connect me unless I supported the war. Give'em Hell C&L. Oh and come back here and tell us if you got to speak to someone.
Way to dishonor the victims of 9/11 and even I daresay the architects of that vicious affront. Ari, stick your fucking head in the toilet (try a rest stop on I-95 and while your there make a hypocrite out of yourself and your party and do something sexually deviant) and continue flushing until you go down you miserable piece of shit! The lies keep coming and I pity the tool who re-enlists to go fight terrorists in Iraq unless of course they're going there to fight themselves. We are the terrorists in Iraq; we are American Al-Qaeda! Global terrorists Supreme! I love how that "onvenient to forget" point is missed every time in these morons talking points. We invaded Iraq, we are the one’s responsible for the suffering there; us, we, U.S.!
“The group is organized under section 501(c)4 of the tax code, meaning that it can lobby on issues but cannot expressly advocate for specific candidates.
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According to this definition of Ari's front group, their ads are "issues ads".
We all know that the major networks have used that excuse to censure "Liberal 'issues' ads" in the past. Will they do the same for Ari's bogus front group?
Anti-Bush ad rejected by CBS thrown to CNN
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0401300201jan30,1,179...
I called 'em and t a l k e d r e a l s l o w, and tied up one of their phone clones for a bit. Asked a few questions until they hung up on me. Not a bad idea, messing with them. Fuck them!
Yes, ignore that 2002 mindset because that's when we were totally wrong and screwed an entire nation. Now it's a do-over.
seevee @ 117:
Good! I wish John would update the story with the number and tell everyone to call.
moniker @ 110:
Exactly: follow that money!
I'll say this ...They got some Balls..............no brains............but They got some balls.....they themselves surely can't beleive their own bullshit.......can they?.....never mind
If Ari Fleischer could hear himself talk:
"Gee, Allied powers, you're all stuck in that 'pre-1940' mindset.
We could stay up all night arguing who did and did not invade Poland. Sheesh!
What's important is, we're here in France now and we're gonna stick it out and get the job done. And if we just cut 'n' run, then the French win and we'll have sacrificed everything we've worked so hard for."
For the neocons, it is ALWAYS 1938!
"OVER? Did you say OVER????It ain't over until WE say it's Over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO! And it ain't over now!"
Thanks, John Belushi!
I guess Ari forgot that HE was one of the war mongerers that got us into this QUADMIRE, and now we're supposed to believe him we should stay there? He talks about the terrorists in Iraq... funny, they weren't there BEFORE Bush and Ari invaded.
This guy, and Bush and Cheney, should ALL be in prison.
Ari is a sneaky little liar warmonger. Why is he so reluctant to say which states he's airing the ad in? It must be the states with the lowest IQs, because anyone with their head on straight can see right through this evil bit of media. Shame on the host for not pushing him more on how the ad is total BS. "They attacked us" so we need to support the war in Iraq. It's called the "big lie" and apparently the Neocons think Americans will keep buying. Boy I really hope this ad backfires on them.
How could the MSM forgive liars like Ari Fleisher? For all the lies and propoganda back in 2001, 2002, 2003, etc. Seeing this guy on TV gets me all fired up as it reminds of the 2001-2003 time in the media when opposition to the war was unaired and ignored.
Me no can do Barnicle. He word thief. Fleischer just pig. Fuck 'em both.
I thought Ari would start ranting about watching a snail crawl along the edge of a strait razor. That's his dream, that's his nightmare.
Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight razor … and surviving.
So they flash a picture of the plane slamming into the Twin Towers side by side with a clip of a soldier who's lost his legs in Iraq, then shake their heads when you point out that they're (again) falsely equating Iraq with the 9/11 attacks...
Then it's the old "you can equate the war in Iraq to WWII" crap.
And now they're back again with the "Cut and Run" invectives, even as John freakin Warner is calling for withdrawl. The bottonless pit of unmitigated gall these lying death peddlers can draw from is truly unbelievable!
Uh, MSM, please take note: Ari Fleischer has ZERO credibility. Virtually every single statement and prediction on Iraq this chickenhawk know-nothing has previously tried to pawn off on the American public has been proven to be unequivocably and stupidly wrong, wrong, wrong. Hardball should simply run a quick clip of a sampling of the dozens of lies, missatetements and out and out bullshit that Ari spouted during his shameful service as a paid hack for the neo-cons and laugh him right out of that studio.
...blood soaked phony bastard...
Why isn't Ari Fleischer behind bars?!?!?!?!?!
He participated in the coordinated Bush White House outing of the identity of Valerie Plame Wilson. He helped destroy the career of a damn good CIA officer. He also probably helped get countless CIA overseas intelligence assets killed.
So, why isn't Fleischer being interviewed through prison cell bars?
Ari is a war hero back in the deep recesses of his little mind.
I like this Mike Barnicle! Kudos to him for asking some tough questions - even though they didn't get answered. Reinstate the draft and this nightmare would be over real quick. if my indifferent Bushie neighbors thought for a second that their own kids would be fighting this shit war, some minds would change pretty F***ING FAST!!!
Progressives don't seem to have an effective response to Freedom Watch. Ari Fleischer and crew have shined their talking points and they will sound credible with the vast majority of Americans, particularly when repeated over and over again.
Republicans will win in 2008.
Eternal Vigilance @ 121:
Bush tax cuts. What else did you think those billionaires were going to do with the money they are not paying in taxes anymore? Did you really think they were going to invest it in America to keep the economy going? You know trickle down. Why would they bother? Use the tax cut money to buy more power and keep the power. How foolish Americans are.
Really, I want to know where they got that money!
Karen @ 133:
I'd suggest a person other than Barnicle to invest your trust. He's certainly no champion of the people, he only plays one on TV like so many others.
Back in Boston in the 80's when lifelong residents were being forced out Massachusetts because the property taxes were going through the roof and it became a speculator-enforced market, what was Mike's compassionate reply to the displaced?:
"Hit the road, creampuff!"
I remember it vividly.
Also note that Barnicle volleys a tough question to Fleischer, but then refrains from pouncing when the glaring hypocrisy gets laid out in Fleischer's answer.
Case in point: according to Fleischer, we had everything to learn from surgically-selected portions of Vietnam, the Cold war and WWII, but anyone remembering anything else, and especially from 2002-2003, is stuck in a mindset.
Any interviewer worth his name would have junked the teleprompter questions and called attention to that,
....but then the 'message' wouldn't be getting 'controlled' very well, I suppose.
"That’s like saying we never should have gone into Germany cause after all it’s just the Japanese who attacked at Pearl Harbor."
And, Ari, here's the funny thing: If Hitler hadn't declared war on us on 10 Dec 1941 we may very well not have. And who was in favor of extending the war to Germany all along? Democrats.
Why do neocons have no understanding of historical analogy?
Hasn't been a WW2 since WW2 no matter how much they try and make it so. Completely different war and completely different time and circumstance. So much so that it should shame any functioning adult.
Eternal Vigilance @ 137:
Thanks Eternal Vigilance, I admit my naivette (don't know if I spelled that correctly), I really wasn't paying attention in the 80's - too young, too busy partying! I've never seen anything from this Barnicle guy until the last week. I was just refreshingly surprised to hear someone other than Charlie Rangel bring up reinstating the draft. It needs to be discussed more frequently given the broad plans that the warmongering neocons have in owning the Middle East (and the world). I'm so sick of being surrounded by people who don't give a shit about who dies as a result of this clusterf**k of a war! I lost my 17 year old daughter - not to war, but it doesn't matter how...she's gone. Never from my thoughts or my heart. I've lost friends because they dont' understand that this war of choice is not worth a single life that has been lost. They grieved so for the Virginia Tech victims, but when I reminded them that as horrible as that tragedy was, there are VT's happening two and threefold (sometimes more) in Iraq everyday.They don't give a shit as long as it's not their kids, relatives, or neighbors fighting over there (so we don't have to fight them here). And forget about Iraqi civilians! Nuke 'em all! I'm so tired of hearing people (friends) say we should just nuke them all - and while we're at it, let's nuke Iran and Syria! I think they should reinstate the draft and maybe they would get it. Maybe.
Even Joe Scarborough called this ad disgusting on his show this morning. Said using the trade centers in the ad was stupid and would make people think that Iraq was involved.
Gee even the republican spin doctors aren't buying this one.
How in the hell did we allow these nihilistic socialpaths take control of OUR government?
The cavalier attitude towards malfeasance by these people is astounding.
In an earlier thread O'Reilly told Mahr that history would judge Bush. Why wait for history to catch up with what we know today.........
.....................IMPEACH.......REMOVE..............INDICT.............CONVICT...........IMPRISON....................
So why is this legal?
It's obviously misinformation. Can they not be tried for fraud? Lock the lying fuckers up!
Ari is an idiot.
The reason we keep going back to the 2002 debate is because we have to define WHY it is we MUST continue to remain in iraq!
If iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, then why are we there?
if iraq is not harboring bin laden, then why are we there?
This debate is important because we MUST define why we need to remain in iraq!!
why?
If that maimed vet on the radio ad I heard, was an actor, is that a scandal? Does anyone know if the propaganda ad on AM radio with the vet who says we need to tell our local congressman to stay in Iraq or he lost his legs for nothing, is REALLY a vet??? Does anyone know this???
All these creepy groups and think tanks, they're populated by the same people who run the halls of power. It's like our leaders need to lobby themselves to hear their own ideas. They do whatever they want anyway, so what's the point of it all?
A large number of these guys have been in and out of government since the Nixon administration. How many do NOT have a net worth measurable in the tens of millions? These are America's true elites, and they're calling all the shots.
Don't forget, articles on the internet say that Ari Fleischer couldn't name the vet in that ad. Is it because it's an actor??? Does anyone think this is important to find out if that's an actor or a real vet???
Karen @ 140:
naivete, I think, with an 'accent egu' at the end. (or is it grave?) But hey, either way don't be too hard on yourself. Some people add on extra 't's to assimilated french words, others preemptively invade middle eastern countries and then talk about values. It's all relative.
Ahem, to be fair to the both of us, (cough coughnotthatold) it was more likely the early 90's. The economy in Boston had tanked, (save real estate) meanwhile an obscure yuppie real estate predator named 'Mitt'-something was running against Kerry. Barnicle was a radio jockey who would alternately slam whole sections of the local demographic, then turn on the waterworks for an injured puppy. Whatever got the listenership, basically. I stopped listening to him after the 'creampuff' remark.
Then his career tanked when he got nailed for recycling George Carlin material in his Globe column just to meet deadlines.
(To be fair: He'd done it with Carlin's permission, but Barnicle never footnoted to his readers that it wasn't his own stuff; still technically plagiarism. So that was it for him in Boston. Karma's apparently something of a bitch.)
Testify, sister! We don't have media figures willing to ask questions that might upset their commercial/political investments. They'll feign it, sure, but just so far until they think they've gotten some street-cred back. And that's what they consider walking a fine line in journalism. (rolls eyes) Meanwhile our troops are being ruthlessly exploited just because Bush wants his war the way he likes it; killing just enough brown people without the need for a draft nor formal declaration of christian crusade.
Very sorry to hear about your terrible loss. You're right, the moral/mortal disconnect is astonishing. They think it's just a political video game that'll just reset with the next election. Souls, as you clearly know, don't work that way and neither does history.
Thanx Ari - I had almost forgotten that no life is more important than an American life
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