Ari Fleischer's Propaganda Iraq War Ad
By John Amato Wednesday Aug 22, 2007 2:40pm
Scarce sent in this video. The propaganda that is hitting our airwaves over the Iraq war with creatures like Ari is sickening. This warmonger brought up WWII and the tired and wrong "we shouldn't have gone into Germany" routine (Barbara mentioned this mind set in her C&L post) in his defense of this. Ari is so 2007---and we're all just Dirty F*&king Hippies stuck in a 2001-2002 mind frame.
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Barnicle: Ari, the ad is so powerful. The visual aspect of the ad is so powerful with that wonderful noble young man with the sight of that plane flying into the Word Trade Center filled with Saudi terrorists, not Iraqi's could lead several Americans I would suspect to think that Oh!, Iraq was in on 9/11. Don't you think so?
Fleischer: Mike you're stuck in the 2001-2002 time table and debate. It is so far beyond that debate. That's like saying we never should have gone into Germany cause after all it's just the Japanese who attacked at Pearl Harbor.
This link to Germany and Japan is despicable, but neocons have no shame. Iraq was not part of the World Trade Center attacks and Ari knows it, but they need a propaganda link, so---there you go. Ari doesn't even know the wounded soldier's name in his own ad. There is no hole deep enough for these people and not even Hell should welcome them...If you don't think this has been coordinated with the WH, well...I know you do. Ari's group is called Freedom Watch:
is a new White House front group[1] of prominent conservatives masquerading as a grassroots movement (i.e. astroturf) which began a multimillion-dollar advertising campaign on August 22, 2007 "to urge members of Congress who may be wavering in their support for the war in Iraq not to 'cut and run'."[2]
"A sort of shadow White House communications shop has emerged to help the beleaguered president sell his unpopular war to the American people," Jake Tapper and Avery Miller wrote August 22, 2007, at ABC News.[3]
"The group is organized under section 501(c)4 of the tax code, meaning that it can lobby on issues but cannot expressly advocate for specific candidates. Its stated mission is 'to ensure a strong national defense and a powerful effort to confront and defeat global terrorism'," Mike Allen wrote August 22, 2007, in The Politico.[4]
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Warner wants to start withdrawal.
He must be retiring.
Geez.
I assume that there's another issue there aside from the fact that during WWII, the Congress actually DECLARED war.
Saw this pathetic excuse for a human yesterday. What a shill. "let's not talk about last year"..."let's not talk about the mistakes getting there.." "let's talk about here and now.."
Ok bimbo, here and now is people are eventually going to see their country go through a possible cleansing if we just withdraw. We CAN do a withdrawal which turns the country over to their fledgeling government, and perhaps they can be spared that. The constant suicide bombing attacks is pretty much as miserable as it can get, except on a daily dossage.
Get our asses OUT of Iraq now. Let these fascist chickenhawks go supervise the withdrawal. They deserve no less.
smass @ 2:
A point seldom discussed in this debate, but needs to be.
I guess Ari doesn't know that Germany DECLARED WAR on the USA 4 days after Pearl Harbor. The USA did NOT declare war on Germany as a reaction to the Japanese attack.
For Ari's stupid example to work, Iraq would have had to declare war against the USA 4 days after the 9/11 al Qeada attack, and we would have then had to have refused to attack Iraq. I don't recall that happening.
What a POS.
Ari seems to forget that Germany declared war on us first, because we declared war on Japan in response to Pearl Harbor.
My history may be a bit rusty here but didn't Germany declare war on the United States after the United States declared war on Japan, following the December 7 attack on Pearl Harbor? I believe that was the order of things, in keeping with Berlin's security alliance with Tokyo that constituted, with Italy, the Axis Alliance.
Regardless, in the dark shadows behind Ari Fleischer the pale shade of Joseph Goebbels stands smiling. "Yes, this was how we did it in our day. You have learned our lessons well."
Amen John. Good Post and way to stick it to them with perspective. That's why I come here. Thanks.
pathetic this guy doesn't even know the guys name who he is exploiting in the commercial.
If you say anything enough people will believe it.. Ad in the visual, even better and more effective. These people are lower than pond scum.
FOLLOW THE $$$$$
Germany... declared... war... on... the... United States... after... Peal Harbor! (Slams head against keyboard.)
"Did we give up after the German's bombed Pear Harbor....NOOOOOOO!!!!"
"I thought it was the Japanese?"
"Shhhhhh, he's on a roll"
Orangutan. @ 8:
Thanks. So much is going on that sometimes I can't get these up as soon as they happen. We're working on overdrive in August. No breaks...Dang...
Germany declared war on the U.S. on Dec. 11, 1941. But earlier on Sept 11, 1941, FDR explained how Germany had attacked the clearly American-flagged Greer and threatened German and Italian ships if they entered American waters.
Bush isn't the only one conservative who doesn't know history.
First Bush demonstrates he knows nothing about Vietnam, now this moron ups the stupidity.
Pathetic.
We are getting bombed with these ads down here in Florida. I saw at least three different ones yesterday. The most despicable thing about this is they use the word "surrender" and they show a plane flying into the towers. They try to connect 9-11 with Iraq. Sadly, they just may work. I sure as hell hope not.
As far as accurate history is concerned, ari doesn't give a damn about accuracy, he just wants to make his point, history be damned.
Senator Warner is calling on troops being pulled from Iraq-CNN
mister mix @ 9:
and boosh hasn't attended a single funeral
and rummy had his signature on the letters to next-of-kin signed by a machine
We all should know by now that the war machine getting paid is the only consideration they have.
Eric, he said he wants bush to announce the beginning of some sort of pullout to show the Iraqis we won't be there forever and maybe it would push the Iraqi govt to get serious.
If Bush is so concerned about a bloodbath after th US leaves Iraq, he could just allow in more than just a few thousand American supporting Iraqis.
I'm gonna be very, very honest with this comment, and I don't know if I will be attacked by it, but his is the truth as I see it:
I have sacrificed nothing for the occupation in Iraq. Moreover, when Ari said that Americans have sacrificed when a soldier dies, that is false. The family of that soldier sacrificed for this country. I didn't. When that soldier dies, or looses a limb, or gets a horrible brain injury, or commits suicide, I've sacrificed nothing.
So for Ari to sit there in with an pias, earnest look on his face, saying that we've all sacrificed and that we need to 'stay in the fight', is a bunch of hog-wash.
I may be wrong in saying that, but it's the truth.
[Deleted. OK, your joke has worn thin. Shouldn't you be in class? -- Sitemonitor]
WTF are they teaching in history class anyway? Is the prof. Mr. Magoo?
Remember Anne Coulter asserting that Canada fought in Vietnam? Check it out and let hilarity ensue.
I Am A Banana, last night when my husband and I were watching this same interview with ari, we said the same thing you did after he said we had all sacrificed. We haven't lost anything or anyone in this war. We will all have to pay for it but as for personal sacrifice, nothing. Our friend was sent to Iraq and we worried about him during the time he was there but thankfully he came home fine.
Uh, Germany declared war on us after we declared war on their ally, Japan.
It would've been the height of social faux pas to have declined their invitation without a
Respondez s'il Vous Plait.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but after we declared war on Japan, one of the Axis Powers (Ari, are you listening? Spit out your gum. Stay in your seat. Stop talking class), Germany declared war on us! That's why we went into Germany! Gee! Feature that! Don't you think, little Ari, that if a country declared war on us, we ... er ... might have the option to stay home. Er ... maybe we have to defend ourselves? Now, Ari, you get an F on your paper....
mister mix @ 4:
Hey, yet another link between Vietnam & Iraq -- hell, even Korea -- we never declared war during any of these invasions.
"Mike you’re stuck in the 2001-2002 time table and debate."
Yeah, truth is so outdated!
I mean might *not* have the option to stay home, as only idiots would refuse to defend themselves....but Buchanan, Pat Buchanan wrote that book back in 2000 where he said we had no business in Germany. That being the case, I guess we have no business in Afghanistan and Iraq. Pukewad Repug logic changes according to whim.
I really cannot stand to listen to any more of these assholes and their fear and warmongering.
Yeah, Ari cares so much for the Soldiers that have fought that he can't even remember the name of the Soldier that is in the commercial? Man, I hate that guy.
Well, we know at least two republicans flunked history. Two children left behind in history class.
pissed off patricia @ 24:
At least on a certain level, the Occupation was more real for you. You had a sample of the worry and anguish someone would feel over their family in this so-called War. I think it is by design that the majority of Americans are not to be aware of the sacrifice that so few people in this country face over this so-called war.
I think the word sacrifice has been thrown around so much, it's lost it's meaning.
IgnoranceIsNotBliss @ 30:
Don't know what happened to my link but will try again.
WHO IS PAYING FOR THESE ADS ?
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Wow, that's the first time I have shouted at my computer in awhile. They are coming at us again with the entire catalog of disingenuous BS they have come up with over the last 4-5 years.
Ari: you're stuck in the 2002 frame when asking if Iraq had ANYTHING AT ALL to do with 911(while we visually equate this soldier's loss of limbs in Iraq with the WTC attack).
WHAT? I am stuck in the same lie that you have been propogating since 911. Just because we have dug ourselves into a hole for no discernable reason DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE F&^%$#ING KEEP ON DIGGING.
tx bubba @ 14:
Not only that but the Tripartite Pact was signed in Berlin, Germany on September 27, 1940 by Saburo Kurusu of Imperial Japan, Adolf Hitler of Nazi Germany, and Galeazzo Ciano of Fascist Italy entering as a military alliance and officially founding the Axis Powers of World War II that opposed the Allied Powers.
Why is it that all these war-supporting ball-cuppers are so damn insecure in their position they have to keep putting "freedom" or "patriot" in their little clique's label? "The Patriotic Ball-Cradlers of Freedom".
Who do you think you're fooling, you infantile set of psychotic clowns?
Ari looks like he's aged ten years since he used to stand up there at the podium and treat reporters like dirt with his smart ass comments and looks.
Fleischer: Mike you’re stuck in the 2001-2002 time table and debate. It is so far beyond that debate. That’s like saying we never should have gone into Germany cause after all it’s just the Japanese who attacked at Pearl Harbor.
Mr. Fleischer, Japanese were supporting Hitler and we witnessed the atrocities of Hitler against humanity. We had a case then and to go along that line for your iraq war is absurd.
Mind you, I just watched the movie, "Good German." There were many Jews for the sake of survival betrayed their own brothers. They are doing the same now.
Ari checked out of the white house in time to protect his ass and so Bush and cabal can burn in hell.
It's official now. This is booshco's signature band and song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg186kLAG0g
Bravo, Ari. Completely ignore the FACT that the US invasion created a haven for "terrorists" in Iraq, and that they and their sympathizers are there only because the US is.
Why is it these a$$hats will not put their warmongering asses on the line for something the would have us think they believe in? Why can't they answer a direct question without spin and deflection?
Why do they insist on using 911 imagery and then discount objections to that as valid to invading Iraq as "old" and "stale" thinking.
What a bunch of BS.
This is not despicable...this is neocon philosophy in action
the neocons believe that the american people are ignorant
so they can say whatever they want, rewrite history and the people will believe it.
and until now, this tact has worked
look at how many believed (and some still believe) that sadaam had something to do with 9/11...even after the chimp said he didnt
so fleisher rewrites the history of ww2....so did lufa boy 2 years ago
and the neocons have been attempting to make as many connections in regards iraq to ww2 since bush 1 was in office
so i am not surprised, and i am way past feeling disgust....its just the same old, same old
BTW, Freedom's Watch, in the mold of so many other RW stealth groups doesn't have a Ph# at their website.
Uncle Joe Mccarthy @ 43:
Remember Bush getting his panties in a wad because critics were trying to "rewrite history"?
The situation with Germany gets more complicated when we look at the role of the Merchant Marines in the war. We were inciting Germany to draw us in to the war.
Oh, tell me, what were their names, tell me, what were their names?
Did you have a friend on the good Reuben James?
Oh, tell me, what were their names, tell me, what were their names?
Did you have a friend on the good Reuben James?
If we attacked a few more countries, we could get past pre-2008 thinking and start fighting terrorists there too. We could fight billions of terrorists in hundreds of nations!
I suppose Ari would say our intelligence community also is operating with a pre-9/11 paradigm, since they've regularly said that Iraq had nothing (NOTHING) to do with 9/11 or its perpetrators.
These f#$ing bags of stinking s#@t depend for their very survival on the fact that most people are utterly ignorant of historical (or for that matter, any ) facts.
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is (their) strength.
timmm @ 37:
"Bush named Iraq, Iran, and North Korea in his speech."
"One criticism is that unlike the Axis powers, the three nations mentioned in Bush's speech have not been coordinating public policy, and therefore the term axis is incorrect. Also, while the Axis Powers of World War Two signed diplomatic treaties, such as the Pact of Steel and the Tripartite Pact, with one another that created a military alliance between them, none of the nations that make up the "axis of evil" have taken similar steps.
In addition, Iran and Iraq fought the long, bloody Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, under basically the same leadership as that which existed at the time of Bush's speech leading some to believe the linking between the nations under the same banner as misguided. Others argue that each of the three have some special characteristics which are obscured by grouping them together. Anne Applebaum has written about the debate over North Korea's inclusion in the group.[5]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil
wait, i thought iraq was like vietnam? *scratches head*
but, really, any refutation of their wargasmic propaganda only plays into their hands. they WANT to talk about the (false) analogy of iraq to WWII. they want to have that conversation, it helps distract and allows them to try to convolute "the greatest generation" with the neocons.
yes, they are wrong, but, to me, it is folly to even legitimize their BS with facts--they are immune.
also, hold the fuck old is ari? wow, time has not been kind to his grizzled soul.
also, part 2, until ari 'waterboy' fleischer answers for his role in the traitorous act of exposing a national secret his (mis)thoughts, (un)ideas, and (pseudo)arguments should be discounted as a sad plea by a man addicted to attention who is desperate to have anyone really care what he thinks, about anything.
Now it's obvious where Ari has been hiding out after his departure as spin-guy for the administration -- at a catered, exclusive, big ol' kool-aid keg party/war-mongering/fear-mongering camp. Well, summer's over, so please slink back into your slimey, fear-encrusted hole, Mr. A. F.!
We'll still be debating whether we should pull our troops out of Iraq in the 2012 election. The U.S. has permanent bases and democrat or republican will not abandon them. So unless a third party takes power, get used to troops in Iraq for another generation.
Anyone want to bet on this?
Sez it all, me thinks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSYbrzSFb68
Wake up people .....We are never leaving Iraq ....Never!......................We are building the worlds largest embassy in Baghdad and we are building 14 large permanent bases all over Iraq.Wake up folks we have been lied to from the start of this mess.
One would think Fleischer would have slunk off into the shadows to hide and hope Americans didn't remember him after his role as chief liar for BushCo in the early days but I guess he just couldn't sit around and lie only to his family anymore.
Ari didn't seem bothered at all about agreeing to a draft.
Their only problem is selling Congress on the draft. For that, they need to manufacture an emergency.
The people won't stand for it, that's why Homeland Security has been heavily investing in riot gear.
Next they'll be telling us there's no preceding war like our current war, and will start using futuristic combat analogies like the Federation-Lyssian War.
Bush the Liar @ 52:
i'll bet that we won't be debating it in 2012 but there will be a US military presence still.
Yeah Ari said he needed to spend more time with his family.
I think he should go with that.
If the dems lose the next election Im moving to canada.I say that because bush co is making it to easy for them.
Will Snowjob be joining him?
Let's see, the soldier says he reenlisted after 9/11 and they show a visual of the 2nd plane about to hit, but asking questions about how that is connected to Iraq is being stuck in the 2002 argument.
Everybody sacrifices everytime a soldier is killed? Metaphorically, maybe. How about a tax increase to pay for the war? During WWII there was gas and rubber rationing, and "Meatless, wheatless and sweetless" days.
There was also a draft.
"That’s like saying we never should have gone into Germany cause after all it’s just the Japanese who attacked at Pearl Harbor."
Words fail. Is Ari really that stupid or does he just assume that we are that stupid?
goatsage @ 55:
i know, it really is a butt-ass crazy for ari to throw himself back into this shit. such a cocky little shit.
he should have pulled a colin powell and divorced himself from the iraq clusterfuck and just whistled while walking away from the death and destruction they both helped to sow.
yeah, that's right colin, some haven't forgotten about your complicity either
John, are you going to post Paul Reickhoff's response?
Chew toys, indeed!
Dont be deceived, this is just more culture of death rhetoric.
Reminds me of Vietnam. The same culture of death then tried to solve problems they didnt understand by killing. This is the same story.
I will repeat something import I have said before ... their timeline always begins following the most important event - the criminal act of invading Iraq. Criminal because it was an opportunistic war - which is illegal by international law and illegal in the US via treaty. Their sense of reality doesnt start until after that event. If this were reasonable, they would be legally in place and under attack by aggressors. If this were unreasonable and illegal, then they would be illegally in place and under attack by defenders. This is key.
The definition of Zero Hour MUST BE TAKEN FROM THEM. Zero Hour must be defined by the date of the original crime - the illegal invasion of Iraq and the start of the war of opportunity.
booshco at war:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppSbnOtzY_I
The proper WWII analogy would be if after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, FDR retaliated by declaring war on Singapore.
So if Iraq is Vietnam, the Iran is Laos?
And that's a good thing?
No Shame. Ari why don't you and your kids go to the front lines then we'll see how long you want this war to last. Jerk off.
John, not only THAT (CNN, etc...), on my LOCAL radio station WILK, they had a war vet (or an actor? is THAT why Fleischer can't name the vet???) linking 9/11 to the Iraq War (false), implying we're in Iraq to keep our American kids safe, he ends with, "Tell your congressman to keep us in Iraq, so I didn't lose my legs for nothing"...
...you'll find out later, that WE paid for this SOMEHOW with our tax money!!!!!!!!
(see "Rove uses tax money for GOP")
Fleischer kept repeating that tired old refrain that if one supports the troops then one must support the war [which is actually an occupation]. My experience at the bank today was similar to viewing this tape. The bank teller said her husband is in Iraq and that she supports the war. She proudly informed me that her husband and her unit are in Iraq in order to protect the country from terrorists. I asked her if she knew how many of the terrorists are in Iraq. She said [not surprisingly] that she did not know. When I told her that only 2 to 6 per cent of those who are engaged in fighting against the U.S. and coalition forces could be considered terrorists or fighters from another country, she told me that was my opinion. Even after I pointed out to her that those figures came from people such as reporter Thomas Ricks of the Washington Post, retired General William Odom. and Congressman John Murtha, she still insisted that was still my opinion.
That womans' husband, unfortunately, and his unit are all too willing to buy the propaganda that is handed out by the government, the military and Fox "News" and people like Ari Fleischer. The feeling is that if this woman's husband would, for no justifiable reason, return to this country maimed and crippled, his wife would most likely continue to believe that his suffering and injuries were made for a noble cause instead of what it really is, which is a lost cause.
another analogy: a ship (Maine) is blown up, we blame a weakened seemingly unsympathetic country and we go to war and build an empire and the people who sell papers cheer it all on
You have to admire the sheer audacity of the GOP sometimes.
They lie to get us into a war, rush troops into harm's way, and then use the fact that we are at war to squelch any questioning of how we got there and use the "support the troops" mantra as a basis for continuing the war.
P.T. Barnum would be in awe. It even tops Lyle and Eric Menedez asking the judge for leniency because they were orphans.
OH MY GOD! I just saw the first ad on CNN! FUCKING SHAMELESS!!!!!NOT A SINGLE FACT! THESE GUYS ARE SCUM! Sorry for yelling. Horrible. Just horrible.
Erroll..., anyone we shoot at, is a terrorist. Anyone who shoots back is a terrorist.
From the neocon perspective the proper test to determine if someone is a terrorist, is to kick them in the gnads. If they get mad and try to kick you back, then they are a terrorist.
See how simple it is?
One million terrorists down, six billion left to go.
Lest we all forget Ari Fleischer was named as one of the leakers of Valerie Plame's covert intelligence status.
Fleischer is greasier than his namesake butter.
Petreus hasn't read Bush's report yet, and all the pundits are telling us that the surge is working great!
Any guesses as to the tone of Bush's report?
Does these idiots actually listen to the crap they spew? Oh, and nice touch not even knowing the actor's name.
Weaseldog @ 79:
How about a symphony of delusion and deceipt.
Money doesn't talk. It swears.
Same old false talking points, connecting Iraq with 911,comparing Iraq to WWII,cut and run. It never ends with these thugs. They are cling ing be a stread to power and slipping fast.The lies don't work anymore. We bought the terrorists to Iraq with the war. They're not coming here from Iraq. We're not buying the lies anymore.
When people like Ari go home, wtf do they talk about ? I mean, really....if this guys soul could be photographed, it would look like a smokers lungs after puffing on 3 packs of Lucky's a day.
I saw that interview and he couldn't even name the legless soldier he was "using" in his ad. He did NOT know his friggin name !!!!!
Ari just got up in front of the television camera and told America he and his group have 15 million dollars to manipulate the dialouge and us. He said it with a straight face. No shame whatsoever.
Is there nothing these Rethug. slugs won't lie about??
You have to remember that these folks rewrite history. In simple language that means they lie all the time and especially about the past. Next thing you know they'll say Sadam Hussien was an ally of Iran. Then they will say they were plotting against the US. Then they'll say the Democrats were in on it too, and who knows what else... They are not stupid. They think the American people are.
"Ari just got up in front of the television camera and told America he and his group have 15 million dollars to manipulate the dialouge and us. He said it with a straight face. No shame whatsoever."
and I imagine Ari got paid some portion of the 15 million or someone did....who received compensation for this and how can we find out ?
Andy @ 88:
Damn, I remember a diary over at Daily Kos that did a money trail a few days ago....I can't even send e-mail photos with screwing it up but I think you might be able to do a diary search using ari's name. The list of slimey bastards on that list made me sick.
Crags @ 6:
Actually the Japanese declared war on the US first, they did the informal introduction bombing the shit out of Pearl Harbor... they submited the formal paperwork within hours I believe.
Nevermind that Germany, Italy and Japan were part of an axis of mutual defense. Declaring war on Japan was for all intents and purposes equal to declare war on Germany and Italy by proxy.
But those are facts, and those are 1940s facts at that, 9/11 changed everything you know.
beck @ 87:
Yeah, next thing we know the 8-year Iran-Iraq war will be framed as a friendly disagreement between two allies over which one hated the US more.
The problem is not that they are bold faced liars, the problem is that NO ONE in the mainstream media calls their shit out when they manipulate facts nillie willie in the open. For example, look at Bolton's interview with a British news programme to see how real journalism works: You pull shit out of thin air, and the interviewer has enough background on the subject to question the shit that the interviewee just pulled out. The hissy fit that Bolton threw with the pat ethic "Do you hate freedom?" as a retort, was legendary... because it exposed what an enabling role the US journalistic establishment has become.
Interviews are not about the host agreeing with the person being interviewed, and freedom of expression does not give one the right to lie. False statements should be treat as public slander.
Documentation:
http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/germwar.shtml
limp-Dick Blimpaugh @ 86:
Their love of money, that is sincere...
Mike,Mike,Mike.You're stuck in the wrong time frame.What you want to be talking about is 1939/1945.