The US is fighting Iraqi Government
By John Amato Monday Aug 27, 2007 2:45pm
There's a sinister reason why some journalists believe "the surge" is having a small effect in Iraq militarily. It's because we're actually fighting against the government we helped create. This is sick.
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BLITZER: What did you think of what we heard from General Odierno, suggesting that some progress, in fact, is being achieved on the battlefield against Al Qaida in Iraq and other elements there?
Because the critics, a lot of critics, are suggesting, yes, there may be some progress, but it won't make much difference in the long run, as long as that sectarian rift that exists between the Sunni, the Shia and the Kurds continues to exist.
WARE: Yes, well, General Ray Odierno very much has his finger on the pulse of this war, and his assessment is entirely correct.
Yes, there has been some stabilization, some spectacular examples, like in al-Anbar province. Yes, it's forced changes in the type of violence that we're seeing here.
But Iraqi innocents are still dying in their hundreds and thousands every month. And what we're failing to address is how we achieving these successes in bringing down the violence is by cutting a deal with the tribes, the Baathists and the Sunni insurgents. It's by creating Sunni militias to counteract the government's own militias and the Iranian-backed militias. That's bound to have long-term consequences.
In many ways, part of what's being achieved is because America is turning somewhat, despite its rhetoric, against this government, fostering Sunni militias, questioning the role of this government, questioning whether it can actually perform.
And we Ambassador Crocker, just the other day, say that if Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki does not deliver, then American support is not at the end of a blank check. So he's threatening the prime minister.
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bush administration respects Iraqi voters as much as US voters
It is not a blank check. It is a post-dated third party check from the Bank of China.
What? Working against our own interests? Switching alliances? No, the U.S. would never do that!
Mr. Ware is a treasure. A real patriot speaks the truth to the people. Why are there so few patriots in our media? :(
Look for BushCo. to push the blame to Malaki and topple him in a coup. Wasn't it just last year they were denying there was a civil war and now we're actively perpetuating it. Great, this is going to work out just fine.
Earth to the wingnuts...attention...attention...
Our troops are in the middle of a CIVIL WAR.
We return you now to your regular Faux News broadcast.
t-bone @ 2:
With the names of our children, our grandchildren as bearers of this debt.....
BINGO!!! We support an Iraqi leadership that is in line, ideologically with Iran, yet back an opposing militia that is NOT in favor of the sitting leadership of Iraq. What gives??? If I were the Iraqi people, I would see this as an attempt by an outside force to keep my country in chaos and turmoil, while they exploit the country in some way - maybe the oil, government contracts, or just make my country a staging ground for their next war.
Ricky Bones @ 8:
I think it's called a clusterfuck.
Well said!
I knew that fucking guy Maliki was no good. We have but one option -- invasion.
Oh... snap.
OT but for cryin' out loud. CNN sent a reporter to the bathroom Sen. Larry Craig got busted in. Craig is expected to make a statement at any moment.
Conform.........or lick boots.
This isn't just a clusterfuck, it's a fucked up deadly clusterfuck
Q. What's the difference between Iraq and Vietnam?
A. Bush know HOW to get out of Vietnam.
Kind of reminiscent of Woody Allen's Bananas.
Gee, it seems to me that all the "experts" were correct 7 years ago when they provided their assessments to the Administration that decapitating Iraq by removing Saddam would lead to internal strife and civil war between the various factions.
It is unfortunate that such insightful intelligence was either downplayed or completely overlooked simply because:
1) the miserable cocksucker living in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue was either too stupid to spend his time actually READING the intelligence or
2) perhaps he really is an amoral low life with no regard for other human beings and put his own business, personal and familial interests ahead of the country or
3) he really is an empty vessel devoid of any intelligence and is a mere pathetic puppet to the mad machinations of his megalomaniacal second in command and the legions of sad pathetic lemmings that follow him and the mad rantings of their pathetic world domination scheme.
Just my two cents.
Someone in the Iraqi govt said today that if the US leaves all hell would break loose over there. I don't know what he would call what is happening now. I'm betting that government official recently got a call from the white house because his phrasing was so close to the talking points we here coming from the GOP
Well we are seeing progress....thanks to the Baathists and the Sunni's....correct me if I'm wrong...but weren't they the ones who were in control of the country before the Preznit decided to go on this fools errand.And if their doing such a good job(sarcasm intended) WTF are we doing there?
I'm surely no military expert, but when you arm both sides of a civil war and you're standing in the middle, that sounds like a bad plan.
Between the coming economic meltdown and the ever (de)evolving "endless war on terra", we are now about to officially enter "The 21st Century Death Spiral".
Hey, we had a good run.
pissed off patricia @ 20:
LOL...yeah kinda like a circular firing squad.
Hey Busholini, WHAT'S THE MISSION? THE JOB? WHAT DEFINES "SUCCESS"?
Resign already, you petulant scumbag.
The market was down over 270 pts today. It's getting close to going below 13000. So where are the good results on any front as a result of this administration's six plus year rule? War going south. Economy going south. Our reputation long gone south. Our soldiers worn out. Where is the good news?
So, "why do they hate us ?"
pissed off patricia @ 20:
Not if your plan is to transfer billions from the public coffers to line the pockets of yourself and your friends while lighting the fuse on the ticking bomb that will result in Armageddon and the Rapture.
pissed off patricia @ 24:
So much for the Fed's recent "help" with the markets, eh? Busholini's reign can be summarized very quickly: cut taxes for the uber-rich, attack a soverign nation, declare "war" on terror, do away with civil liberties, destroy the nation's (if not the world's) economy.
Heckuva job, Busholini!
"I’m surely no military expert, but when you arm both sides of a civil war and you’re standing in the middle, that sounds like a bad plan."
Sounds like a plan designed by an idiot. ;)
FC, they hate us because it appears that we hate everyone who isn't exactly like us. If you don't heart jesus and honor our values, well, we might just invade your country and blow you all to hell. What's not to like?
pissed off patricia @ 24:
A new season of The Closer will be starting soon. ;)
That's the problem Liberal and Proud. An idiot was in charge with no designed plan.
What's the closer?
Craig should be speaking in about five or six minutes if you want to see it on your very own teevee set. :)
It'll all get better.
Something is in the wind.
Let's see, what would boost the deciders ratings?
What will give us the excuse to have a draft?
What will take Iraq off the radar?
Terror, terror, terror my boys and girls.
can't you just feel it?
pissed off patricia @ 20:
Both sides? There are more sides in this thing that I can count?
How about the Shi'ite vs. Shi'ite battle today in Karbala?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070828/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq;_ylt=AqcU4OKCvIJ...
Disgraced GOP Senator Larry Craig will be making a public statement on all the usual networks momentarily... should make for good theatre! :D
soothsayer @ 35:
And he'll be offering free hummers to any newsman willing to carry his story. OK, that was rude, I'm sorry. There is nothing in this man's history to say that he ever prostituted himself. He gives out hummers and expects nothing.
it was SUPPOSED to be a civil war, right?
now we're just making sure it is!
No Sunnis are in the government and the shiite coalitions are breaking up.
everything is going according to plan, right?
But back to the issue at hand.
The War in Iraq - The Bush
IdiocyLegacypissed off patricia @ 29:
If you have oil and you don't love jeebus, than it's ok for us to kill you for your oil.
so sayeth crusader booscheney from the land of OilCo.
Don Davis @ 16:
Classic little flick when Woody was still trying for humor.
I remember the scene where the cook for the rebel army is trying to come up with new and interesting ways to prepare gila monster.They finally all wind up at a take out restaurant.
Dog chasing it's tail. What a mess, and to think some hard questions six years ago,by the right persons - Congress and the press - could have stopped the fast-tracking of this illegal invasion. But then again, maybe Chimp and the ones with their fists up his ass would have forced this nightmare to happen no matter what.
By the way, it's not just the war that is a mess, our economy is tanking too. Dow down 280 today. What's your house worth today? Last year? Rome is burning, or is that Greece?
" Economy going south. Our reputation long gone south. Our soldiers worn out. Where is the good news?"
Don't worry-Bush just made another threat against Iran.
Soon there will be another blood bath to crank the military/industrial "economic" greed fest back into super overdrive.A big fat draft,and a shiny new perpetual war.
Hey ho!
It's time to promote Michael Ware to the club that includes Bill Moyers, Keith Olbermann, Helen Thomas, the late Molly Ivens. HE pretty much has never allowed anybody to put words in his mouth or keep him from reporting honestly.
Of course, this makes sense. There's a reason why Saddam was able to exist for so long. The Shiite's would wipe out the Sunnis given the chance. And the Sunnis would love to be back in power like the good old days. So we will find a more agreeable Saddam in Allawi. Meet the new Iraqi boss, same as the old Iraqi boss.
This is a good article, that may explain what's going on:
"This is what we've come to -- or perhaps, harking back to the Trail of Tears, this is where we came in. Ignorant, arrogant, cowardly elites proposing -- and in Bush's case, inflicting -- vast human suffering on innocent people, driving them from their homes, terrorizing them, killing them. And all of this done for no other reason but to enhance the coddled elite's power, privilege and pleasures. *** "
http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1266/135/
Al-Qaeda is just a stupid made-up lie on the part of BushCo. They aren't directing shit in Iraq.
Should we not all be blaming God for this war? He put Bush up to it.
So we're arming all sides creating chaos . . . . who could that benefit . . . . I'm thinking . . . and if there is a group of people breaking the law selling weapons . . . . I forget . . . what do you call that when a group of people work together to commit a crime?
A little slow today
Dood @ 47:
Al CIAda (join us at the Blackwater Booth at the airshow)
Dale @ 48:
That's right... he wouldn't have invaded Iraq if GOD hadn't told him to in the first place.
We've taken that next big step now and taken sides in their civil war. Maybe the idea is to polarize the two sides to the point where there is an open military confrontation, our Sunni's vs. Iran's Shiites. That's the only way we could claim any kind of military victory. Then we could install a Sunni strongman to keep the peace over all of Iraq. Even better, we could name the new strongman Sadaam Hussein and pretend the war never happened.
That's weird, I've always thought we were fighting ourselves. You know as in CIA, Black OPs, and such. To many times there have been bombings and killings at the "right time" to slow any progress being made.
We were always at war with Eurasia.
A Richard Head @ 53:
You mean in Iraq? Because there are bombings and killings constantly, and since the Bush Administration really doesn't care about Iraqis they aren't going to even try to curb it.
Wherever Bush leads us, chaos follows. However, this is probably planned chaos. We need to get someone who will give our friendly oil companies control of the oil. Then, both Americans and Iraqis get screwed and the uber rich get more uber rich. The people who die in all of this are just collateral damage.
elvisgoat @ 5:
Wouldn't a coup be meddling in the internal affairs of a soveriebgn nation, with a democratically elected government? One might think so listening to the GOP. But that has never stopped them before. Hope China has more money to lend.
Bush's Mushroom Cloud is back again as a Nuclear Holocaust. Sound familiar? "But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." Now it's "a nuclear holocaust in the Middle East." I guess if it worked once Bush is willing to try it again. More fear mongering to sell a war.
ware's nose is kinda jewish
now, even Ware is spouting the 'Iran' crap.
But he's not alone:
It looks like more and more the endless war will have to be expanded using the same repetition of mantra used for Iraq. No proof has yet been given of any involvement in Iraq by Iran. But still, Iraq remains the continual birthplace of the lies that lead to war.
Andy K @ 34:
POP....your not far off the mark..........
Tony Snow @ 55:
Yeah. I mean the constant carnage we see. It always happens at times that are related to progress there or political strife here in the US. It's always blamed on insurgents. Like when the tribal Sheiks were killed after the bomber got through 6 layers of security. Seemed strange, since the Sheiks were likely to ask us to leave Iraq.
I've always felt that we(being the usa) could be behind some of what we see there. As a way to perpetuate the war and there fore more war-profit for Haliburton and co. as well as many others.
Yeah maybe Iraq is like Viet Nam after all. Remember what happened to Ngo Dinh Diem.
Why do I need a generals report written by the White House?
My ears have been wide open.
I have Ware and Engel in Iraq.
I have Olbermann and Shuster in the studio.
And I have a brain between those ears.
Iraq is like Vietnam.
1964 in Vietnam.
Get out.
Mike Ware's reporting from Iraq has been astounding. CNN should be given some credit for supporting Ware. Ware has been there through pretty much most of it and still is reporting from there. And Ware has been most accurate of most any other reporting comming out of Iraq. Ware's reporting is what I trust..
This is all devastating to Bush and the Republicans but how many people outside the punditocracy are aware of it? That is the problem, we are not educating. For comments on how and what to do about Iraq see
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Liberal AND Proud @ 9:
aka
Bovine Scathology (BS)
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