"Oops."
By bluegal Tuesday Sep 04, 2007 3:11pmNo one is arguing that online polls are scientific, accurate, or fair. But then don't put them up on your website. (click for full size)
Candidates seem to think its a good idea to let their supporters have loose cannons "blogs within blogs" at their campaign websites. No one paid by Edwards put this poll on his website. Then again, no one paid me to post the results here, either. Hint for so-called Democratic frontrunners, ABC dot com, and anyone doing a survey of how actual voters feel about actual issues. Looks like Kucinich supporters could show you how to use this new "email" technology. It seems to be rather effective.
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Oooooo, that must sting....
(go Kucinich)
It's funny how the online polls and the telephone polls can be so very, very different. Just like how exit polls and actual vote totals can be so very different, well, at least in Ohio.
Last ride of the Populists!!!!! We will all die in a few years when the Clinton/Bush combine finally implements the "final solution"!!!
Looks like someone Freeped the polls.
Edwards and Kucinich are the only 2 I'm considering voting for. Hillary can go F@&K herself.
witness the power of the myspace bulletin
Funniest thing I've seen all day.
Haha. look at the swarm. Kucinich swarms are much cooler than other swarms...
Kucinich is who Edwards wants to be when he grows up.
[...] via. C&L [...]
Election night 08 will be the true test as to if all this cyber world political warfare was really worth it.
:-D
please please please
dennis kucinich 2008
L.A. Confidential @ 11:
True, is it "all talk and no action" or will the cyber world really get involved and go to
the polls and cast a vote? We'll just have to wait and see.
pinhead @ 13:
Nice thought, but your light years ahead of 90% of the Voting General Public.
not as funny as Hillary using Edwards' old campaign commercial music for her new "change" ad.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/9/5/125930/1395
Doggiebobo @ 14:
Thats the point. People are going to have to get out of the chair, sanp out of the trance and away from youtube or what have you for a few hours and put the Dems over the TOP by landslide.
Otherwise we're going to have another Gore-Bush debacle.
Whitey @ 5:
i thought so too, though i included gravel on my list of possibilities, but then when edwards and hillary sniped "they should make these things smaller/our people should talk," i elminiated his elitist behind.
kucinich all the way.
Then what if it's Hillary versus Mitt or Fred?
You going to not vote?
Tee hee.
That is so funny.
Talking about kicking yourself when your down.
Even the last bastion of objective coverage, CSPAN, is all Hillary, all Edwards, all the time. With a smattering of Obama. When do they show Kucinich, at 3 AM? If at all?
The candidates have all but been decided for us. What a bunch of bullshit! We need to visit Denver next summer and take the party back from the fucking corporate media and the left wing internet pussies. Even the moderate websites, like Kos, have caved in to the bull. Markos, you crashed the gates, only to build new ones. You and your "progressive" websites are a dismal, hypocritical progressive FAILURE!!!!! Absolutely NOTHING will change with Hillary, or Edwards, or Obama. They are, quite simply, OWNED!
I don' t know about anyone else, but I'll not throw a snit fit and refuse to vote if my candidate doesn't make it as the party nominee. I will vote for the democratic nominee or else I feel I would have to keep my mouth shut for four years if the republicans won.
Well folks, a Congressman (person) has NEVER been elected POTUS and Kucinich is bound to follow the tradition.
I am a New Hampshire Democrat and I am definitely voting for Representative Dennis Kucinich. In this NH Primary there is no one even close........of course if the Goracle steps in then the whole game changes.
In response to and :
Those who support Kucinich can't keep it to the internet only. They have to take it to the public. Most people will vote for whoever the MSM tells them is the most popular and a lot of those who vote have never even been on the internet. Those are the people you need to go out and reach. Get Kucinich's message out. If everyone got out and did something the media would have to take notice.
You can still use the internet and emails to get the word about Kucinich out but as long as people continue to have a pessimistic view or defeatism on thier minds it makes it that much harder.
ooopss those tags never work for me arrrg
That #25 was suppose to say in response to #10 and #13
WOW did that ever mess up big time!
Steve @ 25:
Don't you want to wait to see how the field and issues shape up next year? I mean even Dennis could come out next year when the going gets serious and say, I'm for a tough domestic defense and I propose mandatory 2 year military for all U.S. High School graduates to strengthen our military and protect our country.
You better believe defense is going to be a big issue.
Kucinich certainly is a problem for these media-appointed "front runners".
Maybe Dennis will pick Al Gore as his running mate. He knows the job and how to use the VP office as a bully pulpit.
L.A. Confidential @ 19:
I'll vote, I'll just write in who I want to.
If only this would convince Edwards to take a page out of Kucinich's book....
As the author of this blog, let me illuminate...
1. I wrote it about a month ago. I was poking fun at Big Media constantly talking about Hillary! Obama! Hillary! Obama! and then doing national polls where - shock! - Hillary and Obama are leading. The poll itself is total snark (if you read what I wrote, or even the first line of the poll should clue you in - link is here: http://blog.johnedwards.com/story/2007/8/10/201332/240).
2. So, I guess in a way this exercise in resurrecting old diaries is just a further irony, showing how meaningless most of these polls really are.
3. What I really think this illustrates - my progressive brothers and sisters who support Kucinich instead of Edwards will hopefully forgive me for saying this - is that Kucinich folks are so desperate for ANY positive publicity ANYWHERE for their candidate that they've gone to the extent of doing a blog-stunt like this one.
I appreciate political theatre as much as the next person...but honestly, this is pretty ridiculous.
Kucinich is brilliant , however we live in a TV world and brilliance and truthfulness does not a President make.
Isn't this the same method Dennis used to find and marry his 3rd wife?
grannyhelen @ 32:
Welcome grannyhelen. Glad you're here.
I think Kucinich is getting plenty of positive publicity. I'm sorry Edwards only got 24 percent of the vote at his own website. That's negative publicity, which is the topic of this post. Shutting down and editing your poll to put down the winner? I thought only ABC did that.
I got to give Edwards some props for not scrapping this poll.
Check out this Elizabeth Kucinich interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJtp1KzVBdg
Listen to her speak. Imagine someone like her as a First Lady.
Dennis Kucinich is a boob from Ohio, period. Idealogically refreshing (to the blind) yes but a Kucinich Democratic nomination hands the Republicans the Presidency in 2008.
As Karl Rove might say, Kucinich is entitled to "THE math".
Hi Bluegal!
The whole thing was tongue-in-cheek to begin with, and the poll is satire...it started out as satire, and remains satire.
This isn't a straight-laced, dailykos who-do-you-support poll. As it is satire I have no problems amending it given the current ironic situation I find myself in...I didn't shut down the poll (or if I did it was unintentional). I was merely trying to find humor in this irony inside an irony.
in today's political atmosphere, it's impossible for an honest candidate for president
to be elected. Kucinich’s candid style and genuine appeal to fairness to be the kind
of president this country needs, will be bulldozed over by all the crase attacks by
the disgusting reichwingnut neocon repugs.
In response to #36 bilhelm-X:
One who is stuck in the left-right paradigm is the one walking blind.
It's not necessarily an "oops" to post these results, since everyone knows Kucinich has no real chance to do well in the primaries. Would you have said "oops" if Mike Gravel or Ron Paul had won instead? Kucinich and Paul have a motivated cadre of activists who garner them good results in online polls, but not much else. Among the viable candidates, Edwards was far and the away the winner here, and thus it does not seem embarrassing at all to me that these results were posted on his site.
grannyhelen @ 32:
There's no doubt that Kucinich supporters want their candidate to get more attention, and will utilize every opportunity to make that happen. The point of your post was that the media dismisses such candidates. However, I question the sincerity of your message when, as an Edwards supporter, you blast Kucinich supporters for seizing the opportunity you've presented. What's ridiculous is posting a poll to supposedly show that polls don’t matter, then making backhanded comments when the results don't turn out the way you would have liked.
I love Dennis and his supporters. He's always ready to take on the robber barons and military industrial complex
Hey Manila -
I really am sick and will need to call it quits after a bit to take some more Nyquil...
The only thing I have called Kucinich supporters was "desperate", and imho it is sorta desparate to dredge out a month-old diary like it was manna from the gods of politics. I am actually much more harsh to my own poll, which I have called "snarky".
I'm actually bemused at the results myself, as I post many tongue-in-cheek polls and this is the one that got traction. Really, the whole situation is amusing in a sad sort of way.
But I find humor in a lot of strange places.
Vote 4 Dennis K!
There is a reason the MSM props up the "chosen few" candidates. It's not to get more people to vote for them. It's to have an excuse for why one of these "chosen few" was "elected." Maybe everyone really voted for Kucinich. But you'd never know it and the MSM has the perfect cover.
EVERYONE PLEASE take a blind survey on the issues!!!!! It IS scientific as a survey, and is up to date...
http://www.dehp.net/candidate/index.php
Who did YOU match up with????
bilhemn-x #36 you're the boob. Dennis Kucinich is more aligned with what the American public wants today. The only reason why he is not know or mentioned is because the media has people like you by the ears. They are telling you who you should vote and when they say, "jump", you say "how high"? Dennis can win and people need to start organizing and spreading the word.
that's a small poll. Kucinich certainly is out front on a lot of very important issues that the other candidates aren't quite brave enough to champion . . . . but those other numbers are low and seemingly skewed in the cases of the other candidates.
I've said that I don't think he can win...I hope I'm wrong.You never know....the way things are now.....he could possibly win.He does seem to be getting a grass roots exposure.I haven't made up my mind yet...But DK is one of the front runners in my book.....
I feel compelled to comment. I think Dennis is dead on with the issues, a great American, and a REALLY good speaker. The end of this sent chills down my spine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEy50RLq5v8
Dennis would turn the world on it's head in a good way.
However, there is a problem. We Americans, are, as a whole American Idol watching idiots who value style over substance and form over function. I hate that this is the case, but it unfortunately in my experience it is.....and Dennis, short, slight, and "distinctive looking" would suffer for not "looking presidential".......basically not a 50 year old version of the HS quarterback.
Remember in this day and age of razor thin election margins, there are a lot of brain dead apolitical morons out there (the ones who do bother to vote) who "vote for the person, not the party (or the issues)".....this is code for them making up their mind over idiotic superficial factors....."now that Romney really -strikes me-(looks like) as a leader"
Additionally, something else occurred to me. Dennis's ethnic surname could also be problematic. Please be assured that I do not hold this attitude (my handle means "Welcome back" in Czech), but Eastern Europeans are sometimes not held in high regard by Americans. "Whut is that, one of them thair funny Serbian names?". Again, moronic, but unfortunately in a degree accurate.
Please be assured that I don't like this......but view it as harsh reality. Now I don't see any benefit to a Democrat naming Dennis as VP (but I could be wrong about this). However, he would be OUTSTANDING as Secretary of State.
V V
Okay, apart from this being slightly funny, I really don't see the point. This is a personal diary on a candidate's website, not an ABC online poll, nor is it an actual poll with some sort of methodology, etc. The post is almost a month old. This is a prank, not some groundswell of support for Kuncinich. On another blog the favorite candidate might have been Mickey Mouse. As for comedy, this would be far funnier if it happened on a Republican site. ;-)
That said, Kucinich does deserves more coverage - that is to say, fair coverage - as does Edwards, and all the other Dem candidates not named Clinton or Obama. The chattering class consistently try to pick our candidates far in advance, and their judgment (Bush, Bush again, Aqua Velva Fred) is consistently awful.
oh, come on. The same thing happened on one of the daily kos daily polls. Sometimes the DK votes spike...statistically impossible so do you want to guess why?
zzzjackrzzz @ 48:
kucinich and gravel. it had me listed as no disagreements with gravel and only one with kucinich...all the others (democrats too!) disagree with all my key issues. :O
I'm Dennis Kucinich and my wife is smokin hot. I think the redhead fanatics would vote for him just because of Elizabeth. The fact that he actually wants to take on corporate America is why he has my vote, well that and the Ginger.
Even in "Fun & Sun" Miami, KUCINICH BEATS EDWARDS!
Below, is a poll that was conducted by the "Miami/Dade Democrats" which ended 9/30/07
http://www.miamidadedemocrats.com/. I din't even know about it nor voted in it. I just learned shortly that it took place.
I live in Miami and I KNOW what a hard "nut to crack" it is to get people in this city where people are mostly interested in fun & sun them to pay attention to politics.
And, EVEN HERE!...Kucinich won their last poll!!
Also to note, is the same poll with the same question back in 6/3/07. Kucinich came next to last behind Dodd. http://www.miamidadedemocrats.com/poll_archive.asp
Hum...there must be a "new breeze" blowing through these parts which may, ultimately, become a hurricane...A KUCINICH HURRICANE!
Jack
ps: On a personal note, EVEN MY BOSS, a 2 time Cuban Bush voter, confided in me that he is a toss up between Romney & Kucinich...I almost fainted! 06/03/2007 to 06/29/2007
Samson- @ 1:
**clears throat** :P
All of my preceding post being said, I would be thrilled beyond comprehension should Dennis come into a position to be elected....guess that is what the primary is for.
V V
L.A. Confidential @ 17:
Also, Gore really won. I wish there was more uproar about this. One of the "O" states has had there voter records destroyed right BEFORE an investigation, so where there is smoke, there is fire. Please, lets all keep pushing for TRUTH and JUSTICE!
yenehC hcaepmI @ 36:
I went to the website you posted, and found an educated, worldly, caring, intelligent person; what is your point?
It is uncanny! Everytime I enter one of these polls Dennis wins! I'm getting so good at this! I can't wait to vote!
Kucinich and Gravel are the netroots choice,
DLC peeps can go back to the loving arms of the Rethugs from whence they came.
Explainer @ 63:
Buy a lottery ticket ;)
erin66 @ 62:
Erin66...
I'll second your opinion. She's remarkably intelligent, well traveled, and most of all she has a really pure heart and wisdom beyond her years.
I've traveled as she has and I think that being outside your cultural reference alters your "base line" and you begin to see humanity in a different light. She's obviously "got it" if you know what I mean and I think she's the first lady I'd rather see.
Jonathan Edwards and Dennis Kucinich are the two driving forces in this campaign on policy and issues. I think they both are committed to real change and they have backed them up with actions.
They've both said what they would do and how they would achieve their ends, which has been something that the other candidates have yet to do. We've heard a lot of "pretty speeches" but only Dennis and Jonathan have backed them up with substance and details.
I think we're lucky to have them in the campaign because they have forced the other candidates to respond. Whether either of them wins the nomination or election, I think America has won by just having them in the debate.
pinhead @ 18:
Let me guess, you included Gravel to your list of possibilities because he was on Bill Maher. Also, it was not Edwards' intention to silence candidates. His concern was that candidates did not have enough time to fully answer important questions but we have witnessed their answers reduced to soundbites. Soundbites that are easily attacked and readily absorbed by those more concerned with voting for who the media portrays as the favorite just for the sake of saying they voted with "the winner." For the most part, the debates are just theater to give the talking heads on TV something to yap about other than reality. I certainly don't want the president making impromptu decisions about complex policy issues which is why I will not use the debates as a determining factor of who I will vote for come election day.
moonsha @ 67:
draw conclusions much?
no, i included gravel on my list because he spoke truth to power from the beginning. he was clear and outspoken when making his points about war, the patriot act et al, and restoring american freedom.
i agree that soundbites are no good, however, i remain firm on my stance on edwards. not only do i still, yes, find him to be elitist right next to hillary, but he doesn't support gay marriage, which is not a key issue for me, but it is important to me, and since kucinich and gravel agree with me, well, why would i support someone who doesn't?
once again, if you did not see it, i went to the blind poll, and there was not one single issue that gravel and i disagree on, and only one for kucinich. why would i support someone who does not support all the issues i care about? usually, we have to choose between "douchebags and turd sandwiches," (reference to the idiotic south park episode i watched last night), but this time, for the first time, i've found not one, but two candidates who clearly support everything i do and oppose everything i do.
at one time i supported obama, and i supported hillary clinton, but through a careful process of elimination, i have done what is my american right to do and chosen the candidates I wanted to choose. i am watching closely, and fyi i don't even have HBO.
i would not cry if edwards won, not like hillary or obama or any republican- after all he's right on a lot of key issues, but i will vote for whom i choose, thanks.
BlueGal! I...love...you! Thank you for championing the cause of Dennis Kucinich. It is so excellent to see more and more posts about the "Kucinich Revolution!" Keep'em coming!
Wrong, Dr. Acula. The highest office Abraham Lincoln held before becoming president was U.S. Representative.
Kucinich in 2008!!
You should have seen the poll some Bible-beaters association put on their site with the question "Atheism is..."
By the time the poll made its way to Infidelguy.com and Richarddawkins.net, Atheism was listed as "the only responsible answer" by a margin of 95%.
Needless to say, the results didn't stay up for very long.
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