GQ's Chat with Donald Rumsfeld
By bluegal Tuesday Sep 11, 2007 9:15pm
Donald Rumsfeld, interviewed at his Taos ranch by GQ Magazine:
"In terms of what's going on in Iraq or Afghanistan today, what the Department of Defense is doing is working. What isn't working is the diplomatic side. The government of Iraq has not been able to find ways to bring the elements of that country together sufficiently that they can create an environment hospitable to, uh, whatever one wants to call their evolving way of life, a democracy or a representative system or a freer system. Look at Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, 28 million people are free. They have their own president, they have their own parliament. Improved a lot on the streets."
All your theories worked there, in other words.
"It's been a big success! The Iraqi government has not been successful as yet. And, uh, it's gonna take some time and some effort."
"When do you see it resolved?"
"I'm not gonna get into that."
Right. But if you distill the general sense…the measured general sense…of what the American public feels about Iraq right now, it would be: a plan in but not a plan out. Do you agree with that?
"No! No, no! The military has to have plans for post-major-conflict stabilization, and they did. And, uh, the focus of the insurgents and the terrorists and the Al Qaeda have put on Iraq… It's enormously important to them."
But you sleep okay?
"I do. Always have."
No nightmares?
"Nope."
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I'm glad he has no nightmares. The rest of us have enough in our daily lives. Bastard.
Frist for the hanging. Then Wolfowitz
He sleeps well in his multi million dollar ranch I'm sure...
He sleeps ok, huh? Because I sure as hell don't. I'm sure most of us here haven't had a good night's sleep in over seven Goddamned years.
Dillusional bastard.
He hasn't had any nightmares because he hasn't seen what Threadingwater does to a tomato named after him in less than two minutes. Just saying.
the guy truly has no conscience......thanks asshole....thanks for all the nightmares the country will have for the next ten years...maybe more...
I'm glad he sleeps well... because after my time over there I have nightmares and lose sleep.
hank @ 8:
I don't know what to say Hank....except that I'm sorry .....
What is he still doing in the country? Shouldn't he be in Uruguay, picking out furnishings for his condo in the neocon retirement community?
well heres to the horse not tripping in any gopher holes and landing on the rider, that has got to hurt...bad , and I betcha some folks still get nightmares after its all over..
marcos the redneck Jew @ 10:
He should be in the Hague awaiting trial..
old used up fartbag rest in hell
mudshark @ 9:
You win some, you lose some.
I'm alive, unlike roughly 4000 other guys and gals... so no complaints from me.
Since he sleeps well and has no nightmares really tells what kind of man he is. He should say that to all the families that have their loved ones over in Iraq or anyplace else our troops are. Bring them home now not next summer. How many more will have to die for these liars.
Arrogant bastard.
pg 10
Do you think your old buddy W. hopes he's Harry Truman in fifty years?
"I. Don't. Know."
Do you miss him?
"Um, no."
A wry Rummy smile.
How about Colin Powell? Are you still close?
"No! We're not close. Never were."
Cheney?
"I still see Cheney."
Donald Rumsfeld lacks the imagination to have nightmares - and like all sociopaths doesn't have the ability to empathize to the point of ever growing a conscience.
It's his utter cluelessness to his own clear moral depravity that is the most amusing part. Or the most sickening - depending on how cynical you're feeling.
cant wait till the cocksuckers got alzhimers and is pissing thru a chathater !
What's up with everybody in the Bush/Cheney world living on ranches?? Do they ALL want to play cowboy?
You sleep okay because you have no conscience, you fucking criminal.
Will someone tell this silly old asshole what he's done so that he doesn't sleep so well? The rest of us don't seep that well at all. What kind of miscreant is content to live without a conscience?
Monsters don't have nightmares.
Only someone with a conscience has trouble sleeping over innocent people dying!
Alfred E. Rumsfeld---what? Me worry?
Of COURSE he doesn't have nightmares!! Rumsfield is the is the bringer of nightmares, not the receiver of them.
=my2c
BC
tyree @ 17:
How do you know he doesn't piss into a cathater now? LOL
‘OLD NAVY’ STORES LOOTED, AFTER HIRING RUMSFELD AS CEO
One of the all time scumbags, a sociopath, a pathological liar & a war criminal.
Hope the piece of shit ends up in The Hague and sentenced to ............ Abu Gahrib.
This guy didn't have nightmares over all the innocent people he killed either. http://masbury.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/rumsfeld-saddam.jpg
Birds of a feather.
don davis @ 27:
dont gonzo but it would be funny if he started sucking on the other end thinking it was a milk shake!
sorry wrong post!
hank @ 14:
How you doin......and if you don't mind I'd like to ask you a question or two?
don davis @ 27:
Bed Baathists and Beyond. That's funny.
hank @ 14:
Hank...How are you doin...?.....do you mind if I ask you a few questions?.....my last post didn't come up....
Hank I hope good things for you in the future....What do you think of Rumsfeld?.....
Why devote one goddamn word to this psychopath after all he did to this country? GQ should be ashamed of themselves.
Rumsfeld is not going to get any nightmares until the american people take action and arrest him and then put him and the rest of his cabal on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity. Just Get Real and Do It, before these Fucks Kill More Innocent People!!
I just did some math.
Estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths to date are near 1 million. The number of maimed, disfigured, generally injured, and displaced are nearer to 4 million.
1 million dead.
To put it in the only context American's understand, if we were to measure that number by the deaths we sustained on 9/11, that would equal 333 September 11th's. One every day for almost a year.
333 9/11's.
Staggering.
So...Rumsfeld says (more or less) that the fault lies with the Iraqis, who didn't just pull together and create a (semi-) working new government with more freedom and less fundamentalism as Afghanistan has done. Setting aside the fact that Afghanistan and Iraq are significantly different situations, isn't this just an admission that we cannot succeed in Iraq?
Sure there was a failure of diplomacy. What he doesn't mention is that most of that failure belongs to the Bush administration and much of it is his responsibility, not the puppet Iraqi government's. It's not as though this administration, which came to power as an isolationist government, then decided that the UN and most of its Nato allies were irrelevant post 9/11, has any diplomatic track record. Anyone remember Rumsfeld's contributions to diplomacy, such as:
"I don't do diplomacy."
"I don't do foreign policy."
"I don't do predictions."
"I don't do numbers."
"I don't do quagmires."
"Needless to say, the President is correct. Whatever it was he said."
Former State Department Chief of Staff Col. Wilkerson has stated that Iran attempted to open diplomatic negotiations with the White House in May 2003. Iran was willing to address its nuclear program and its support of Hamas in exchange for lifting remaining economic sanctions, normalization of relationships with the U.S. and assistance with entry into the global economic community. Colin Powell was in favour of further negotiations. Cheney and Rumsfeld were not. Guess who got their way...
Having just seen the movie No End In SightI can only hope that Dante`s Hell exists,and this man occupies the most punishing,torturous circle of torment for eternity along with Bremer,Wolfowitz,Cheney,Bush, and anyone else involved in planning the Iraq fiasco.The fact that he says he sleeps well at night only attests to the degree to which he is evil-- or perhaps more likely to the amount of alcohol he consumes.I`ll bet the people of Taos are thrilled to have this human blight living in their midst.
Isnt Taos where the locals claim there is a sound that is always..... sounding?
Well, I think GQ did a sly job of showing us what a whack-job this man and his wife are.
we HATE having him here. He drives his big damn pickup past me every morning as I bike to work. Sickening man.
sorry about the double posts.......it didn't come up when I posted them.
Rummy sleeps fine while GIs wives and husbands toss and turn all night wondering if they'll be paid a condolence visit in the morning
Indigowatcher @ 42:
He's married...? My God, his wife...no way, this guy has such a wide stance.
well I'm done for now......Hank my question for you was this.....How do our people over there really feel about us being there?...again I'd like to wish you all the best life can give you....sleep well my friend
i'll bet his ranch is more secure than the pentagon was on 9-11.
Sociopaths do not experience empathy.
environmentalist @ 43:
I support your hatred.Here`s a line from a song about the Rethug Party.
"Would someone tell me when,
We`ll be rid of these men?"
---- Frank Zappa from When the Lie`s So Big
Broadway the Hard Way-1988
I'll see you in hell, Rummy.
The sleep well line almost induced projectile vomiting. The Hague is too good for that vampire.
I see his horse, but where's his bareass leather chaps.
tyree @ 18:
I hope he never gets Altzheimer's. I want him - all of them - to be able to understand everytime someone ridicules and jeers or swears or damns them. I want them to have to face Cindy Sheehan and every other parent who has lost a son or daughter. And every child who has lost a parent, and every man or woman who has lost a spouse in the service of their madness and greed. I want those families and their injured family members, to haunt those asshats' dreams - day and night. I want them to suffer every day for the rest of their miserable lives and realize they are paying for their transgressions against humanity. I want their children to grow to hate them and reject them and their criminality. I want all their children to turn against them and to turn their children against them.
I can wake up now...
What Tyree said.
He still has an office in the pentagon, does he not?
neil @ 17:
I'm sure he is happy because he continues to make a lot of money from the war.
For all his many, tragic faults, at least Robert Mcnamara had the ability to look within and realise his mistakes, and admit to them.
Somehow I doubt Donald Rumsfeld has that depth and complexity of character. I suspect he will go to the grave believing in his delusions, and blaming others for their (and his) abject failure.
This man is a monster. He has done as much damage to our country as any single person in our history. He, along with Wolfowitz, Cheney, Bush and other select neocons are truly the worst our great country has ever offered up. And suffered under.
Truly flawed men, with no recognizable redeeming qualities amongst them.
Rumsfeld's greatest nightmare would be the triumph of goodness.
So thoroughly immersed in delusion is he such a nightmare would suggest conscience.
Hey Environmentalist,
Can't you at least flip him off when he drives by? A little uncivil disobedience might be just what he needs. ;)
Yes, the Afghanis are blowing us up less, because they're making a living smuggling drugs under that other failed war.
I say we take a vote on whether or not Rumsfeld is human. I vote "no".
neil @ 56:
And Tamiflu.And he`s not clueless about his own moral depravity;he relishes in it.He is after all is said and done a swaggering sociopath.
We go to War with the administration we elected, we all bear the responcilility for allowing this nightmare to begin and all the world will suffer long after Rumsfield, Cneney et al are gone. Anyone with a small insight to reality knew the Bush Administration was going to invade Iraq, and guess what THEIR NOT DONE YET!
I wonder how many Secret Service agents we are footing so that Rumsfeld can be so cocky?
A GQ interview with Rumsfeld?
Sweet Jesus.
Do you ever get the feeling you've been had?
Rumsfeld is revolting. Whenever I see his picture or hear him speak I get nauseous and disgusted. The man is the scum of the earth. Idiots like him should stay on a farm and tend to horses or whatever he needs to do to keep busy.
short sharp shock @ 16:
Cheney and Rummy like to play "hide the cannoli" when they get together.
Seriously though, what I find interesting is how these hawks, despite being members of PNAC and other fascist clubs, don't hang out as often. I mean, Kristol was on the Colbert report and claimed to have not liked Rumsfeld and his policies. Rove left the WH and said he advised Bush against Cheney. Either these guys are just backstabbing bastards (i.e. no honor among thieves) or the entire neocon experiment of world domination they set out to accomplish has failed miserably.
Your thoughts?
Bushwacked @ 59:
environmentalist @ 43:
And one from a fellow New Mexican from Albuquerque, too!
sully18 @ 40:
And don't forget, Richard (raccoon face) Perle.
sully18 @ 40:
please don't reference alcoholism to evil...I am a consumer of mass quantities of alcohol but I am not evil ....btw...DENNIS "THE MENACE" KUCINICH '08....the only hope for a nation crumbling before our eyes
leslie @ 54:
It is in my deepest wishes that all of these neocon thugs are imprisoned in solitary confinement(padded cells completely nude, steel dog collars{so they can't murder themselves} piss,vinegar and moldy bread for sustenance for the rest of their soon to be miserable lives,forced to go through a "Clockwork Orange" style of facing reality and being visited by EVERY single family....Iraqi and American that has lost a family member or whole family untill the day their sorry asses cease to exist and that would not be considered "cruel and inhumane"you know the geneva conventions are "quaint" and torture is just fine...when that day occurs the world shall celebrate ......FUCK YOU AND YOUR ILK RUMSFERATU.......YOU DON"T DESERVE DEATH UNTIL IT COMES NATURALLY
God, I don't miss this lying sack of shit on the news any longer.
I hope he is held accountable for what he is responsible for to this country. A traitor is too good a name for this sack of shit.
28 million Afghans are free?? Bullshit. The Taliban are back, and they run most of the country.
Rumsfeld must be deluded if he thinks any thinking person buys his crap.
Psychopaths don't have nightmares.
Suck it, karma!
Can someone explain to me why this man isn't in prison instead of giving interviews to GQ?
"But you sleep okay?
“I do. Always have. Usually during the day...and in a coffin”.
What's interesting is why GQ? Is it that they are trying to prop up a core vote? Or are they saying that they have lost majorities in other market profiles?
He is our worst nightmare. What a fuck!
mudshark @ 47:
My wife runs a small cafe. she just hired a marine just badk from 2 tours in IRAQ. I asked him the same question. And he said we shoulnt be there any more, BUsh is an asshole. I asked him if every one else he knew over there felt the same way and he said YES.
I asked him why dont you tell the media this, and he said becuase they tell us what to say.
He said the iraquis are scared of us when i asked him it they wanted us there. and he said the military wants them scared of us.
its deja vu all over again. ala Vietnam.
you think we would have learned
how are we gonna end this fucking madness
I'll say this for Rummy. He isn't afraid of sounding like the person he really is...an unapologetic autocrat who believes firmly that American might makes right. If we do it, it's right, no matter what anyone else thinks. There's no room for moral judments, or value judgments, or introspection.
It's sort of a 21st-century version of "manifest destiny." Polk said he wanted to "annex" (steal) Texas from Mexico, and guess what? The American people elected him, and cheered when we went to war down there. When Abraham Lincoln expressed moral reservations about our policy, he was called "spotty Lincoln" and had to leave Congress. "Might makes right" isn't new, folks. We just have new people advocating it.
"Nightmares? Why would I have nightmares? No one I love is in Afghanistan or Iraq."
I don't care if he has nightmares or not, that's his business. What I care about is seeing him, Wolfowitz, Bremer, Cheney and the rest up for war crimes; that's our business.
even former supporters of the bush regime who are now speaking out have stated emphatically that rumsfeld was the worst possible choice for the position. he enjoys life on his taos ranch while the havoc he created rages on. he is delusional or lying when he states that he knows the theories he felt were good for policy have all borne out to be true. oh yes, and he sleeps like a baby. well, because the dems did not have the strength to push to have these evil men in charge of our gov't impeached and incarcerated, they all will sleep like babies. how well do the young soldiers serving in iraq sleep? or for that matter, how well do the citizens of iraq sleep. we bear the responsibility for all of that because we did not fight hard enough to do the right thing.
Robert Lockwood Mills @ 80:
good to hear the historical rather than just the rantings that most of us do. thanks, robert.
But you sleep okay?
“I do. Always have.”
No nightmares?
“Nope.”
Portrait of a complete asshole.
hank @ 8:
heart and prayers go out to hank and the thousands like him.
The only silver lining of this, he's a retired war criminal instead of elder statesman. May you rot in hell, you viscious arrogant prick.
environmentalist @ 43:
I was wondering how would a guy like that fit in with the Taos crowd.
Environmentalist:
Send us his address so we can all wish him a happy retirement. :-)
He's just another cold-hearted old bastard enjoying his millions of dollars and never cared about anybody but at the same time he's a coward who would rather live in denial than acknowledging his huge failures.
Sociopath.
Strawberry @ 46:
i've often wondered why women marry people like him. and whether we will have Eva-Braun-style documentaries about them at some point.
maybe he's on Lunestra or Ambien???
Lord knows we were...
Rumsfeld reminds me of one of those curmudgeonly relatives who spew racist epithets at thanksgiving that white people try to hide.
I doubt that this tool would be so smug if he found himself on trial for complicity in war crimes in The Hague.
Donald Rumsfeld - another of my top 10 people I'd like to see fall down a long flight of stairs.
The banality of evil.
He sleeps well and has no nightmares... just like a Nazi.
I'm sorry to hear that Donald Rumsfeld has a ranch near Taos. I have fond memories of Taos and had hoped to visit it again one day. Now, I'm not so sure I want to go there. I am certain I'd hate to catch a glimpse of R.
Jumpy @ 57:
They probably even abuse their pets, if they have any, which seems unlikely.
I'm sorry to hear that Donald Rumsfeld has a ranch near Taos. I have fond memories of Taos and had hoped to visit it again one day. Now, I'm not so sure I want to go there. I am certain I'd hate to catch a glimpse of R.
HMGreen @ 63:
We didn't elect this administration. The Supreme Court stole the election for them in 2000, and Kenneth Blackwell, Karl Rove, etc., stole it for them in 2004.
This is a man who lies about everything -- including about how he sleeps.
Afghanistan is a huge success now?????? DAMN those must be some damn potent pharmaceuticals they're on!
Sickening. Rumsfeld and his people pushed aside the diplomats, the Arabists, the negotiators, in the run-up to Afghanistan and Iraq, ignored their experience and advice, ignored their planning documents, ignored their warnings -- and now he has the gall to say that it's these people who have failed to perform. Sickening.
I understand that the Taliban is making a comeback in a big way in Afghanistan. I understand poppy (heroin) production is at an all time high.
Rumsfeld needs to stay in Taos and keep his mouth shut until they haul him off to the Hague. He is despicable.
General Jack D. Ripper @ # 103
" ..the Taliban is making a comeback .."
The Taliban were never driven away. The Taliban ara Afghans. The US and NATO forces have a problem in that they cannot solve the problem with military action alone. The so-called Afghan President that Rumsfeld refers to is a puppet and will be toast if the Taliban get anywhere near him.
Maybe there are no REAL newspapers in Taos for Rumsfeld to read.
Doddering Old Fool
Rummy's just as two-dimensional as ever. If he ever actually examined his third dimension, he'd have to blow his own brains out.
I believe McNamara slept well too.... For awhile..... You are going to end up with nightmares sooner or later Rummy.... IF you have any kind of conscience at all...JD
cruel @ 67:
All these guys appear to be in cahoots with one another, but they're all essentially rivals, too. It can't be stressed too much that the main techniques in attaining and holding power in America are Mafia-style in their nature. That's what runs the show now. That's what we've evolved to. The stakes are so high now that democracy, or attempts at it, is pushed aside by more powerful and scheming mafia or fascist forces. We have plenty of evidence of this.
Also, the public should be firmly aware that everything about Rummy and his kind is about performance. It is not possible, based on their deeds, to take them at face value. Falseness is part of their very being. Here's Rummy on the plane with the GQ reporter, acting like the genial, folksy, even sitcom-type grandad that you may not like, but by golly, he's so normal, how could you not respect him? That's why I call him two-dimensional. On the surface, he's a performer, as vacuous as a forgettable TV actor. His third dimension, where the action of his agenda is located, is totally occult, and he knows how to keep it hidden. What else can be said about somebody whose record is well-known, and whose responses, like 'I'm not gonna go there', are nothing short of implications in his crimes?
Like Petraeus, Rumsfeld is a machine. Part of the Bush Machine. They perform the needed job without too many complications. Others, like Wolfowitz and Perle, are even more hideous, for they pretend to be philosophers, so as to show the way ahead. Their attitudes of haughtiness and war profiteering lie at the very bottom of the human experience.
He may sleep well on this earth but his sorry ass will roast in hell
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Not Required @ 20:
That about sums it up for me also.
Gekke @ 37:
Too late.
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