Gold Star Father Who Lost Son In Iraq Allegedly Beaten By Members Of Pro-War Group
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Sep 19, 2007 1:31pm
We brought you Adam Kokesh's incredible speech from last Saturday's Iraq protests in Washington D.C., and unfortunately, there was an incident that occurred that day that was so disgusting it defies description.
Via After Downing Street:
Here are photos of members of "Gathering of Eagles" who assaulted gold star father Carlos Arredondo in broad daylight in Washington, D.C., on September 15, 2007, throwing him to the ground and kicking him.
Account of what happened from Arredondo's wife By Mélida Arredondo:
Carlos Arredondo, 47 year old father of two sons, arrived in the nation's capitol on Monday, 09/10/07 to share a memorial he has made to honor for his eldest son, Alex. Carlos has visited thirty of the United States with the traveling memorial to his son Alexander. Lcpl. Alexander S. Arredondo, USMC was killed on 08/25/04. He was 20 years and 20 days old. The memorial consists of a casket, poster- size photographs of Alex when he graduated from boot camp, before his second tour in Iraq, lying in state at his wake, and a photo of Alex with his younger brother Brian.
Saturday, September 15, 2007 consisted of first a rally, a march towards the capitol and then a die-in. Carlos pulled the memorial along the march route approaching the rotunda near the capitol building. Several of the marchers requested for him to speak about the memorial where a crowd gathered around him. After finishing, several people walked with Carlos as he pulled the memorial. Several pictures of Alex dressed in his blues were attached to the display.
As Carlos passed counter protesters, one man ripped a picture of Alex from the memorial. Carlos leaped on the man to retrieve the picture. It was at that point that approximately five others all began to attack Carlos by kicking him in the head, legs, stomach and back.
This hateful group has a website, and while I have reservations about linking to them I feel that the depths of their hatred and ignorance must be seen to be believed and it must be beaten back. Please take the time to go look at the comments being made about Carlos at their site. No matter how enraging it may be, they must be exposed for who and what they really are.
The Capitol police bicycle patrol then appeared to break up the fight. Several officers including a female officer were engaged in breaking up the fight and were able to stop any further injuries from occurring. Hannah Jones who was walking with Carlos was also assaulted.
A bystander named Ramesh witnessed the whole encounter and also retrieved the picture of Alex for Carlos. He was quite distressed at how he watched the men follow Carlos as he pulled the memorial, purposefully yelling epiphets and eventually taking Alex's photograph. Soon, an ambulance showed up as well as many concerned activists. The paramedics provided first aid to Carlos but he did not seek further medical attention. Carlos sustained bloody cuts on his shins. He also reported bruises all over his torso and head where he was kicked.
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See we love peace and democracy, and we want to spread this misery around the world.
Anyone who is pro war needs to be handed a gun and put on the front lines.
Go get 'em stupid.
And good riddance.
Where does the Senate stand on condemning this group?
Maybe Cornyn can write up another resolution since it seems he has so much time on his hands.
Sieg Hal!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcNkMIwolKc
'A Shitting of Pigeons'
Sadly, No! has been all over this group for years. They need to post about this....
Elderta @ 3:
Maybe John should visit Larry in the john.
This would make a great story on Keith Olberman's Countdown. He's the one vehicle for getting this out to the rest of the country.
Where there any arrests?
they didn't have their guns so they panicked.
The reason impaired right gets violent once again. Their pathetic lives need perpetual war to make them feel they have a purpose. Facts and statistics make their caveman blood boil. If you get them off their index card talking points, watch out
This story coming after the Naomi Wolf piece below is quite fitting. Sounds like these goons are candidates for the coming GOP's equivalent of the brown shirts.
Personally I've always believed there are far more Americans who are fascist at heart than one would think. Goosestep, anyone?
I didn't know what angry was until I saw this article. I hope the guy sues their asses off.
I am so fucking tired of this thirst for war. By pricks who don't wish to do the actual fighting.
I agree with Elderta. Where's the condemnation about this on the Senate floor? I saw the spokesman for this group on Washington Journal before the demonstrations began. He was a guest along with the lady from ANSWER. A caller asked the guy about his own military record. The guy said due to a medical condition he was unable to serve.
He also said his group was there to see that the protesters (anti war folks) didn't deface any of the war memorials as they had all around the country. He didn't back up that accusation with any facts. I don't recall any protesters defacing any memorials anywhere.
I hope whomever did this to the gentleman will be charged with assault and battery at the very least.
So a young man goes to war with the belief he is helping maintain the freedoms of our constitution which includes freedom of speech. Sadly he dies.
So his father who gets a bigger picture of the reality of the occupation chooses to use the freedom of speech his son died for to protest his feelings.
So some fat, redneck guys who are "true patriots" feel freedom of speech isn't for everyone and five of them beat the snot out of a grieving father.
So are these the end times of humanity or what?
People like these don't give a damn about the USA. The people who are dying in Iraq are just pawns to pursue Israeli's interests in the middle easts and the grieving families of the soldiers who are dying for Israel are just cockroaches who are getting in their way.
They are keeping us safe from the Al Kidas who come from India to steel our freedumbs!
That's how the GOP supports the troops. By assaulting their family members.
Brownshirts.
Welcome to Nazi America.
Nazerikkka?
Meanwhile, the cemetery at the home of the 1st infantry runs out of space. Granted, it was nearly full before we invaded, but this is fittingly symbolic.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2039677420070920?feedType=RS...
Their web site crashed, just as well
MargeAggedon @ 2:
How about we not give them a gun and still send them over to Iraq?
Bunch of a*sholes! They deserve far worse treatment.
Didn't the Brownshirts attack their own people?
I clicked on the link "go look at the comments" and after waiting like forever for the link to load I got an error message. Maybe their site has crashed or something. Maybe Lady Karma decided to pay them a visit.
Lcpl. Arredondo dies in service to his country and its freedoms, including freedom of speech, and when his father speaks out, he is attacked and his son's memory disprespected.
This incident perfectly illustrates the fascist tactics of the extreme right. Why does the extreme right hate our freedoms?
What a bunch of cowardly, small-penised, knuckle-dragging, mofos!
Where's the video? They are saying nothing happened. But, they also say there were video cameras everywhere.
Five white guys jumping on a lone man...so...are THEY going to get attempted murder and assault charges, too?
/holding breath and turning blue
Fucking blobs of shit defile a photo of this guy's dead son who died for THEIR pasty asses??? I'm willing to show these fat fucks the liberal in me.
How can it be that the people who attacked Carlos were not arrested and charged with attempted 2nd degree murder? They could easily have killed him.
pissed off patricia @ 13:
How about we assault them WITH a battery?
(Sorry S/M).
Link is busted. Karma police in action again! Hoo-ah!
pissed off patricia @ 24:
No doubt just a glut of traffic that the server couldn't handle but they'll be calling it an "attack". It sounds so much better than 'We couldn't afford the bandwidth'.
I didn't see anybody coming to his aid in those pictures. what kind of charges are being pressed aginst the thugs?
Could this be Move-On's next ad? This is truly awful and needs to get widespread attention.
Charles @ 23:
Possibly, but the SA (Sturm Abteilung) were slaughtered by the SS once Hitler officially approved them (Schutstaffel).
Gathering of Eagles == brown shirts
... they're here.
Has no-one yet noticed that by far the best way for a terrorist sleeper to hide in the crowd is to claim to be aggressively pro-war?
How many of the Gathering Morons and Malkins of this world are actually well-concealed sleeper agents of al-Quaeda, waiting for the order from OBL to wreak havoc and destruction? And wouldn't that explain the Adam Coulter's apple?
That's when I bring a baseball bat...
I go to rallies...and counter protest, the counter protesters...the war loving chickenhawk scumbags like those who attacked Mr. Arredondo
I hold a sign that's very simple....
"Put your a$$ where your mouth is, cowards!"
And I don't give a (insert word here) if they're (those pro-war PsOS) vietnam vets...my father is a wounded vietnam vet, had bomb shrapnel in his chest for 20 years...he didn't come back a blithering, mindless moron idiot that blindly follows republican presidents...so they have no excuses and I have no sympathy for whatever befells them and because they hate the constitution as republicans do without thought...then I have absolute disgust for them.
yep ...their fuckin nazis all right....
I don't want to post there for ANY reason, not now, not EVER.
I surely don't want anyone connected with them ever getting my IP address or email or ANYTHING at all.
Somethings are worth taking a black eye over, they are not amongst them.
This is someone the sickest "tone" I have read anywhere on the internet since 1995.
It's hard to believe Digg pulled that story as I need to blog it. it's so very very instructive at how crazy (your) country has become since BuZh and Cheney stole the election.
The real outrage is that John Kerry stood by and did nothing.
Hey Tyler, I'm a vet, and you're welcome.
motorfingaz @ 303:
I thought boosh flunked math.
Once again, ya notice that you have to register to login to those right wing batshit crazy sites?
frank @ 354:
Frank,
Please be accurate, I never said anything concerning HATE.
Delusional people tend to change others words and thoughts to fit their own feelings. Frank..you changed mine... so I guess your the delusional one.
Bush and Co..have brought us fear and hatred, as cover for their crimes... we are rising to the challenge..by turning on each other..I don't recognise this country any more...I say let the Mexicans have it.....!
When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross!
Sinclair Lewis
And covered in Eagle Sh*t!
These rightwingnutjob, charlatans have desecrated and embarrassed the real America long enough ,to scream about bringing Freedom and Democracy to countries around the globe while gagging,stomping and killing it right here in America is traitorous and par for the course for the loony right!Fux"news",Coulter,Malkin , Limbaugh and their disgusting ilk have RUINED this country!Their true hero Joseph Goebbels would be very proud indeed!
This disgusts me to no end, I bet they're related to those fucktards in Louisiana(?) that hung the nooses in that tree and started that clusterfuck down there...this country seems to have regressed frightenly back to a meaner, more ignorant time...stupidity and hate seem to rule the day...Lovely.
Oh and to whomever is moderating, I apologize for dropping the F bomb, twice, but I'm pissed!
There were how many more anti-war protesters that sat by and did nothing? Until we start fighting back, they will keep pulling their bullshit. How do you win against a bully? You stand up to him and HIT HIM BACK HARDER. And if that's too much violence for you, well, you can give up now, because a brave moral stand isn't going to sway these violent men. About 100 antiwar protesters beating the shit out of them would though.
As a gold star mother who lost her son in May 06 and who had done everything within my power to avert this death, (and so many others), I marched that day, last Saturday with tears in my eyes as I passed fellow Americans (war supporters) along the way. These fellow Americans jeered at us, calling us Gold Star parents names like 'traitors' . We gold star parents marched alongside the brave veterans who marched in single file looking at them as if they were our own children who did not survive the war. One other parent and a vet (both Latinos) came close to an altercation before the march began when they became surrounded by these counterprotesters who hurled racist epithets at both of them like 'go back to Mexico,' or 'too bad you didn't die in Iraq' . The parent was Juan Torres who lost his son in Afganistan under strange circumstances that are being investigated and I do not recall the vet's name.
You all may want to put all these counterprotesters in the category of ignorant rednecks. But the sad thing is that I saw many people that seemed to come from the class of people that you would never consider to participate in or to defend agression on a Gold Star parent of an
Iraq Vet.
Bush and Rove did quite a number on this country. As I marched, I looked to both sides at contorted faces spewing hate, I wondered what my son would think if he could see what I could see on that day, Sept 16, 2007, one year and 1/2 after his death.
[...] GOLD STAR DAD BEATEN BY “PATRIOTS” [...]
I'll bet those were those sneering pro-Bush 'hipster' types kind of like those allied with Conservative Punk or Protest Warrior. Rednecks or not, they're all scumbags. Doesn't matter what music they listen to or what clothes they wear...
Rightwing reactionary militarist scum like Bush, Cheney and Petraeus should eventually be shipped to The Hague for War Crimes trials under well-established international law e.g. the Nuremberg Principles, the U.N. Charter, etc.
The same should apply to vicious hate-spewing violence-inspiring fascistic propagandists and corporate-media prostitutes like Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage and Laura Ingraham who are clear and present dangers to the public safety under applicable statutes. (Monitor their radio programs for evidentiary examples.)
In the end we'll win but it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Yours for a world free from exploitation & war
Greenpagan
http://greenpagan.newsvine.com/
these guys are true idiots. love to be used and abused in order not to be wrong idiots idiots idiots idiots!!!!!
It's just a ride and we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money, a choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your door, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Bill Hicks.
these people who beat up the father, live in fear.
I'm anti-war and i'd like to see one of those pro-war punks try kick me, i'll break their legs in three places then bitchslap them so hard they will see the error of their ways
'Bush and Rove did quite a number on this country. As I marched, I looked to both sides at contorted faces spewing hate, I wondered what my son would think if he could see what I could see on that day, Sept 16, 2007, one year and 1/2 after his death.'
I don't know if I was clear about what I meant in my comment. I looked to BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET we were marching on and the counterprotesters could barely be restrained in some parts of the way to the capitol. They were like rabid dogs on chains. As I said, I watched middle class 'soccer moms' giving us the finger. We Gold Star parents were at the very front of the march along with the vets ...I can only imagine how agitated things got as the rest of the procession walk by them for another hour? or so.
As I was marching I noticed the counter-protestors too, yelling words I almost never hear unless HBO is on and giving the finger to all of us. But that is they're freedom of speech, like what we got. Just because a fascist minority gets violent does not invalidate their opinion or right to speak. We condemn whenever the Black Bloc brings in the "Fuck the Troops" signs, which is disgusting. The anarchists are a minority among us, just like the fascist minority in GoE. I believe in the anti-war cause, but a third of the comments here are hypocritical.
Yah know. I went to their site to look at the comments.
Their comments about the incident sound just like the comments here about the incident only from their viewpoint.
Just as nasty.
Just as threatening.
You both are different sides of the same coin.
Wow, and i thought Fred Phelps was born a retard.
Is there EVER a time when you americans aren't beatin' the shit out of each other to prove who's right? I'm getting really bored with the idiot half of america getting themselves in the news all the time.
the man in the van @ 14:
Don't be so dramatic, if push comes to shove, us reasonable folk can always forcibly take back the country (as a last resort). I'm usually a peaceful guy, but wouldn't have any problem shoving these clown f*ckers noses into their brains.
[...] they thought it would be fun to beat the living shit out of this 47 year old, grieving father. Crooks and Liars has the photo. A bystander named Ramesh witnessed the whole encounter and also retrieved the picture of Alex for [...]
Did the father of the dead GI press charges?
Who the heck do these "patriots" believe they are that they think they have the right to destroy his son's picture and assault him?
This is the ugly face of fascism.
The fascist who assaulted Carlos uses the Gathering of Eagles forum all the time, it's only a matter of time before we match that f*cker with a name and address
By: Logan Murphy on Thursday, September 20th, 2007 at 11:31 AM - PDT
Funny 5 days after the incident this all comes out...a real scoop and pure BS to boot... you people will do anything to make the Eagles who are mostly Veterans look bad with your lies and BS. A woman was kicked in the shins.... an Iraqi Vet with a prosthetic leg is set upon by 2 moon bats ... Eagles who are decorated Veterans are spit at ....but it's of course the Eagles who are the bad guys....you people are sick with your Jihadist backers, your race baiting whores, and your punk ass anarchists who hide behind masks...you people are not anti war you are anti American and you are going to lose this one!
Isn't it remarkable how when a group reflecting mainstream views (what they like to refer as leftist liberals) does something like bringing to mind the repeated misrepresentation of facts by a 4-star General, everyone on the left is supposed to denounce the group, but when someone that is so far right does something really mean and disgusting, and we have the pictures to prove it, we are "making it up".
It would almost be laughable if kids weren't dying daily in Iraq, while these ignorant war lovers push for wars they have no intentions of fighting in. And the hateful name calling that they use, ranit-American", "sick", "race bating whores and punk ass anarchists"...now that's new ones... so American and patriotic, I must say.
They never cease to amaze me...and Viper, (yeah, now that's a real American loving name) what are you winning? I think the death toll for our soldiers this week passes 3800...arnd you must be so proud of this landmark!
Right-Wing Militarists Beat Father of Marine
When you justify your beliefs based on authority, your beliefs are threatened, not by logic, but by an equal and countervailing authority. One can't have that, so one just beats the crap out of your opponent.
Anais @ 25:
Because they want to control you.
Well hell they can do that, they're pro Bush . . . but don't you sare say anything against Patraeus
Help me, my country is making me sick
To manin the van,
I get your point but saddly...he didn't die for our freedome...or even for our safety. He died for oil money that you and I will never see.
MargeAggedon, you're probably right and they will say they are the victims of the left or some such foolishness.
So where is the media uproar on this? That's right, they're too focused on the Move On ad.
The Gathering of Eagles...what a bunch of pathetic lap-dog idiots. They don't care about anything but violence and being real tough guys. Good friggin thing I wasn't there. Most tuffy biker types are pussies, you just gotta know how to blind them and bust their knees. Then they end up where they belong, crying in the dirt.
You can bet none of those punks are signing up to go to Iraq. They're real tough ganging up on one man on the ground, typical of men with no self esteem and no sense of what it means to be a real men. Phonies, wimps, and chumps.
There site is crashed....call the wahbulance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJkOyc_phy4
P Fretheim @ 28:
I have to agree. The man was jumped by five people in front of witnesses. Does the victim need signed confessions of their intent to do him harm before law enforcement gets involved? Am I missing something?
this is truly a frightening time in this country. when ignorance of this magnitude (the GOE group and their supporters) isn't immediately and forcefully condemned by EVERYONE, we're in serious trouble.
I just read the comments from some of the postings. Are they all so blinded by their deeply entrenched, misguided beliefs??!! It seems they can only be skeptical and fling personal attacks. What is WRONG with them, it's like their intellect and maturity never got out of middle school.
Really disgusting when the Brown Shirts show up to make people believe the right things.
these are the same losers that think we should have won in nam,
WON WHAT????
MargeAggedon @ 43:
I believe we're all thinking along the same lines (JenaJenaJena), see my remark at 27. But maybe the real truth is that Carlos got jumped for the 'right' reasons, as far as the fascist warmongers in charge are concerned. Heck, he's lucky he didn't get tased for scuffing these cowards' shoes with his rib cage.
I am so effin' ready....
And you won't see this in the news because. . OJ just made bail. . and Britney has to go take random drug tests to see if she can keep her kids. . sigh.
Looks like linking to this nazi group's web site killed the gerbil running their dinky server.
Keep on clickin'.
bushisaliar @ 47:
Buzzy, the stoned dildo.
Cops jumped all over tasing a college senior though.
Gathering of Wannabes. Drunken chickenhawk yahoos.
A**holes like this make me hope that hell actually exists.
More like a gathering of PIGEONS, crapping all over the place with their fascist poo.
Get your own country and leave mine alone!
Ricky Bones @ 45:
The problem is that this "thinking" (in the comments at the other side) is what is behind civic action in america's homes. People at city councils -- who share these views -- are supporting abuse, inaction, and tolerance of this ridiculous conduct.
I fear for the future of this country. Leadership means rising above the emotions, not enflaming them. This American leadership is fuelig this mindlessness.
If you expect anything else from these neanderthal con men I have a bridge in Minnasoto to sell you...Some assembly required
Can anyone ID these pricks? Spread the word and pictures and more importantly get charges going! I am sick and tired of fascists doubting my patriotism (and those of us who disagree with this war). Oh yeah... and be sure to bring those protective baseball bats to the next anti-war protest!
click on the link up above that says "After Downing Street" and then scroll down to read the comments there about this story. There are people commenting who were there and saw this whole thing happen.
I'm not sure there's any hope for this country.
[Deleted-Sitemonitor]
You cannot just say you are the greatest country in the world.
You actually have to BE great to make it so.
[Deleted-Sitemonitor]
You cannot log onto their site if you show any symptoms of intelligence. They will not let you comment if you do not agree with them. The gathering of eagles is more like the gathering of buzzards! It seems like we are in a "social civil war" where the violence addicted republicans are fighting ideas with fists and guns. I wish they'd all just start committing suicide or better yet... they should follow their counter parts and just go over to Iraq and start being suicide bombers for Jesus. That would be the best solution. We could ask abc to shoot it (sorry for the pun) and then they can make a reality series out of it. The profits could help pay for the war. It seems fitting.
It was really only a matter of time. The right has spent the last 30-40 years demonizing the left -- making them out to be the villains responsible for everything from gay marriage to the cancellation of "Father Knows Best" -- and right-on-left violence is just going to get more and more prevalent.
Remember, these are the people who attack liberals in self-defense in "The War on Christmas". They imagine threats and then insist they must pre-emptively protect against those threats.
You know, like Saddam.
MargeAggedon @ 31:
Naw, they'll just think one of them tubes got all clogged up.
I went to the website and read the account. I tried getting to the comments but got a link error of some sort from Word Press. The account given on their website makes it clear that one of their guys grabbed the photo, and that he was then tackled. The story describes a wounded Iraqi solider - Jake - who was one of the counter protesters and how he is angry that he went to Iraq to protect our freedoms and now has to "come home to this."
These folks seem to honestly believe that they are in Iraq protecting you and me (aka us). They are unable to believe, in spite of the evidence of which we all are infoirmed, that this war is about oil. Truly we are living in diffeent worlds. given that its almost impossible to get a group og any size over 5 to agree on where to have dinner, I do not expect unanimity within the country. These people believe they are as patriotic as most of us believe ourselves to be. It is easy to hate them. But then again, thats far too simple and easy. And also grants victory to those who thrive off of disunion in the populace.
If the current admin allows us to have an election next year then hopefully we can have a more humane, democratic, and just government. these folks only encourage me to work all the harder for that.
Try finding this story on Fox-Malkin-Free Republic or anywhere else.
Good luck
If these wimps are so pro-war then I say we issue them rifles and ship their fat, redneck asses to Iraq. Of course the Nielsen ratings for WWE Raw would drop.
Knuckle-dragging, brick-faced poltroons.
Just think... Think of the kind of drooling, imbecilic puny-mindedness of declaring oneself a fan of war.
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[...] here’s a prime example of what happens when a country loses its moral compass. ignorant cowards like the members of this group ought to be called out for what they are by every major media outlet and on the floor of both the house and the senate. it won’t happen, because we don’t have any courageous leaders left on either side of the aisle. [...]
IMPORTANT: please please get the footage of the speech that was given by the Eagles in DC on Saturday on Cpsan- it was about 15 minutes long full of Hate and Venom- inciting violence against the Left - it was ONLY run once- I have the time on my blog- I will find it for you ( there was talk with great Anger about going and "teaching Them a Lesson", and "traiters"....It shows premeditated malice) .
To C&L thank you for covering this- it was forwarded to Countdown and ALL media and NOTHING was shown..nothing. Carlos deserves better....and so do the Gold Star Families and VETS.....
The Truth Hurts @ 60:
Philosophically speaking, it's probably already nearly over. Look at the lack of outrage over ANYTHING going on these days. We, as a group, have been pacified, bought off and dumbed down to the point of being as irrelevant as our individual votes. Until we hit the streets, nobody in charge gives crap what we think. But that's really my point: the vast majority of us seem to be observing from the remoteness of our TVs and broadband connections, feeling whatever range of emotions come to us, but in the end just sitting there, doing nothing, and at best commiserating with our friends and doing little else. Oh yes; I am indicting myself, too. I try to participate: I've been to the rallies, spread the messages to anyone within earshot and donated cash to who I hope are the right people, but is that the same as taking a week off to go to Washington or writing at least one letter a day to the people who make the changes? No.
I'm not talking about giving up. Far from it. But to surmount a problem, we have to be aware of it first.
Clavis @ 65:
I agree. I fear we may be seeing more of this in the near future.
Those idiots have severe cases of testosterone poisoning. They're liars and thugs who take after Bushie, insofar as they are ALWAYS RIGHT, NEVER WRONG.
Didn't I predict violence when the NeoCons start losing power? It's heeeere.
Please Please C&L forward to Anderson Cooper, Countdown and ALL media- us "little" blogs did- and they would NOT show or report....we need your Help...Your Blog has Power and Influence...
The comments were funny the way they feed on each other. Reminds me of when I was in the military, all the chest pounding bravado.
What was it that Michelle Malkin said about conservatives policing their own?
Another issue brought to light by this story is the unthinking nature of the Gathering of Chickenhawks and their commenters. It can't be denied; there are some real jackasses living among us.
Also, one of the greatest victims of the past few years appears to have been the English language. Some of their comments are nigh indecipherable.
global warning
the bush mafia
the war
habeus corpus
and now this.
it gets harder and harder not to want to get in fetal position and tune reality out.
on that note. The Shrub called the move.on ad "disgusting".
wonder if he or any of the ReThug candidates will speak out against this
clusterfuck of Eagles will pay
Funny how these pro war people aren't lining up at the recruitment centre. Ah the bravery of being out of range.
We need a draft. Without having these total cowards face any chance of actually serving, they'll continue to be total sack-of-shit cowards while cheerleading for war. We also need other compulsory public service. Get people to start caring about their country again, get them to see they have a duty to their fellow countrymen regardless of political viewpoint.
OT But HOLY SHIT. CNN is reporting that Republican San Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders is flip flopping on the gay marriage ban...it seems his daughter is a lesbian. Hmmm, it looks like we've got a shot at getting a democrat elected in San Diego.
another prime example of what has been allowed to surface because of the corrupt leadership at the top. they've always been there and it's absolutely a given that with brown and black people in these united states, you can fight and die for this country, but don't ever make the mistake of thinking that you actually belong. apologies to the good people who do exist and stand hand in hand in fighting this racism that permeates this country. and you thought it was almost abolished. maybe a lot of us hoped that. but with bush paving the way of ignorance, they feel safe to rear their ugly racist heads once again. they come in the form of religious zealots, white supremists, congressional lawmakers and your next door neighbors who hide behind, "We have to protect our borders." they're growing and we allowed them to grow. welcome to George Bush America. thank god , the world does not think as the united states thinks.
Ok, people there's a little bit of overreacting here.
I looked at the picture, I read all I could find about this. They all point to the same thing:
1) A GoE member inappropriately stole and was walking away with the picture of Carlos' son.
2) Carlos leapt upon him (i.e. tackled him), in order to prevent the thievery.
3) GoE members who saw him jump their friend reacted instinctively to protect their friend by attempting to pull him off.
4)There have been no charges filed. In fact Carlos was so out of control, he actually bit one of the guys trying to pull him off. You can see in the pictures where he has an almost maniacal look on his face, and there is also a picture of a man holding a bandage of some sort on his arm.
Like most of you , I don't agree with their tactics or their politics, but the GoE members, I believe, were only trying to restrain Carlos after what appeared to them an assault on their friend. If it were really that serious of a beatdown as this article implies, there would have been arrests, and charges filed.
I love this site, come here multiple times a day, but it would seriously make me question the validity of what I read here if these leaps continue to be made. Please, everyone, look at this with a more critical eye, instead of using this as a launchpad to attack the right. This was a minor skirmish at most
Gathering of Hyenas.
Fucking, drunken red neck pieces of shit! These people
are the scourge of America, these people are what is
known as 'the ugly American' all over the world. These
cowards can't even fight fair, a group of them have to
gang up on one man like a bunch of bloodthirsty vultures.
stupid ass malkin, doesn't she know that though she espouses the bush doctrine, if they were to remain in power, her skin color and asian heritage would relegate her to the back of the bus with the rest of us "colored" folk. what part of that does saucy little wench not get? keep up the guise of the "good Amerikan" and enjoy the view from the back window.
So what's their message, I'm going to terrorize you until you agree with me that terrorism is bad?
The senate passed a GOP bill today, 72 to 25 to repudiate the MoveOn ad. Just wanted you to know the sort of serious business the repubs are up to right now.
I just don't get the "moonbat" label. Do they come up with whimsical, child-like names. Sounds like a Kurt Vonnegut phrase...weird.
intrigued by this story, i went looking for more info about carlos arrendondo . . . he is the same man who set himself on fire when the marines came to tell him of his son's death. it's a shame that military casualty figures don't include the numbers of devastated loved ones.
The government hates you @ 87:
May be some overreacting about this, but this incident, no matter who was right or wrong, shows just how divided we have become and middle of the road thinking is out to lunch.
This is just awful. I know Carlos. I've marched with him at several protests. He is one of the kindest, most gentle, endearing persons I've ever met. You would really have to be a psychotic mother to attack Carlos.
At the last protest march I was in, we came across a group of these retarded Eagles. Their idea of a counter protest was to rev up their motorcycles full stop as we walked passed. Their big motor bikes are an obvious compensation for something else which is tiny "weanie".
The government hates you @ 87:
color it anyway you want, we know who they are and what they represent. it doesn't take rocket scientists to decipher that. they have a long heritage in this country.
It doesn't look like anyone was arrested. Were they? Seriously, a group of guys (can't say they were men) can just beat up someone in the middle of a huge crowd and get away with it?
Ricky Bones @ 45:
Bingo.
In a nutshell.
They're just frustrated because uncle dad put a turd in their head in place of a brain.
Suddenly free speech is costing a lot.
While I resent the BS presented by these goomers, I will defend their right to say it.
Which is more than they would do.
Fascism has been gradually taking control, and similar to the 'frog in the frypan' we are just now seeing the results.
RIBIT!
The truth, as usual, is probably somewhere in the middle. It was wrong to take the picture, it was wrong to tackle someone, it was wrong to bite someone, it was wrong for them to kick him. Carlos is obviously a very passionate person (i.e. the setting himself and a van on fire).
The comments there show massive intolerance, some of the comments here are just as bad.
The truth is generally somewhere in the middle.
i could swear that the young guy wearing a beret (pic 196951021) is the one that shoved my husband when we went to d.c. in march.
the same group is at every protest. about 200~300 black leather clad thugs.
my husband is 53, i'm 50 at the time. we're standing there talking to a guy handing out pamplets two of them come down the walk shouldering and shoving people, crowding people off the walk path. the beret guy gave my husband quite a shove from the back. he's a big guy but unexpected as it was he almost fell.
if that young fit patriot is so crazy for war why doesn't he go?
where do these men get the resourses to hang around washington all the time? it's expensive to travel and stay there, do they all live in d.c.?
and by the way, got cha on camera-gang members. isn't that a crime? who's pushing for arrest?
One wonders if these superpatriots would have been so brave if Adam Kokesh and other members of the IVAW had been near Carlos when he was attacked.
Frybread @ 69:
And there's how you get them to actually GO to Iraq without having to reinstate the draft.
Tell them it's a new Faux reality show.
They'll be lined up around the block to "audition".
Hoorah you all qualify!
See ya!
These guys suspect Gathering of Morons of vandalizing the Vietnam Memorial.
jonp72 points out, "Gathering of Eagles already tried to disrupt a March 17, 2007 antiwar march in DC with the stated rationale that they were trying to defend the Vietnam War Memorial from vandalism. Now the vandalism has been discovered by...you guessed it!...Gathering of Eagles."
http://commonsense.ourfuture.org/something_there_doesnt_love_wall
I want my MTV
Ricky Bones @ 93:
On my rearcar bumper I have a bumpersticker with the ΙΧΘΥΣ symbol smoking a pipe with the most High Holy Name, Bob, inscribed therein, next to it my Air Force Sticker, on the other side of my plate my sticker from the save the bats charity I give to, and then lastly my Protect America, Impeach Bush sticker.
Does that officially make me a moonbat now?
should be called "gathering of human garbage"
FredT @ 7:
Keith is supposed to be returning tonight!!
Den @ 101:
Sacre bleu!!
bushisaliar @ 47:
...er, their Hearts and Minds??
The government hates you @ 87:
I understand where you are coming from, but taking that photograph in the first place was enough to start a fight. Of course it was a minor skirmish, but what I, and I assume others, are all worked up about is the that these guys would come out swinging (or ganging up on someone, but I digress) if someone defiled a picture of one of their dead loved ones.
Hagan @ 102:
The truth is that as soon as someone violently violates my physical space (i.e aggressively snatching something out of my hand), all bets are off. These fuckwads don't operate in the realm of fairness and truth. They can prance around in their jackboots saying and thinking whatever they want. But as soon as they invade my personal space, fuck em. I can't walk up to someone and aggresively poke them in the chest, then cry foul when they break my nose.
The government hates you @ 87:
Nice summary. I agree completely. They may be idiots and boobs, but in that does not grant us the right to convict them in the court of public opinion for an assault which didn't occur. So far I have only seen one account that counters theirs - that of Carlos himself. While I feel for him, he is the same guy who splashed gasoline all of the van, then claimed he "accidentally" lit the butane torch. Highly emotional, not particularly credible. I hope he apologized to Thompson for attacking him and I hope Thompson apologized for taking the photo. The photo you posted shows people yelling at each other. I don't like that, but it probably doesn't even merit apologies given the circumstances.
Let's stick to getting our asses out of Iraq.
this is what the Bush Admin hath wrought.
They have ingrained, via their media mouthpieces Limbaugh, Hannity, OReilly, etc....that anti war Americans (even those who have lost sons in Iraq) are anti American terrorist sympathizers. Hours upon hours of lies.
All in an effort to scare the voting public into voting GOP in 02, 04, 06 and presumably 2008.
Shameless and vile.
MargeAggedon @ 2:
AGREED!
They have closed the "comments" over there. I wonder why?
It's nice to know that our fearless "leader" has carried out his pledge to be a "uniter - not a divider" and brought our country so close together in a time of war. Which speech was it where he wanted to "change the tone" and get things done? Oh, I forgot to notice that his pants were on fire at the time. So sad!
pussy_galore @ 112:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcHejjYlpQk
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