Smoke-filled rooms where no one inhales? From Austin Chronicle:
Arguing that pot leads to less anti-social behavior from protesters than alcohol, Denver's pro-pot group SAFER is "asking that the city impose a moratorium on all citations for possession of less than one ounce of pot by adults over 21 during the Democratic National Convention in August 2008." Read more...
Crowd at Santorum Rally Horrified When Two Men Kiss
Colin Powell Takes Hannity to Task for His Obsession with Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright
Colin Powell Expresses His Support for Gay Marriage
SNL Digital Short: Andy Samberg and Pee-wee Herman Get Drunk and Attack Anderson Cooper |
Church Member Defends NC Pastor: LGBT People 'Worthy of Death' |
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John Fugelsang: Only in America Can You Be Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-Torture... and Still Call Yourself Pro-Life |
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Arizona Congressional Candidate 'Pulls a Coffman' |
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CNN Host Probes Tony Perkins: 'Why Do Homosexuals Bother You So Much?' |
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Bill Maher Knocks Liberty University: It Cheapens My Degree From a Real School |
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Compassionate Conservatism: Romney Meets Medical Marijuana Patient |
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Stockman: Romney Can't Say He Learned How to Create Jobs in the Leveraged Buyout Business |
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Krugman: Romney's Business Career is Fair Game |
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Steve Rattner Says Romney Was Not A Job Creator |
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President Obama Asks to See Betty White's Long Form Birth Certificate |
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SNL: Limbaugh Announces New Sponsors |
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'Family Guy' Does the Tea Party |
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Cheech....
...should be fookin legal.
right on.
Groovy, man.
And did you know Mandela's dead?
That guy on TV said so. You know, the president, John Wayne.
Two young guys were picked up by the cops for smoking dope and appeared in court on Friday before the judge. The judge said, "You seem like nice young men, and I'd like to give you a second chance rather than jail time. I want you to go out this weekend and try to show others the evils of drug use and get them to give up drugs forever. I'll see you back in court Monday."
Monday, the two guys were in court, and the judge said to the 1st one, "How did you do over the weekend?" "Well, your honor, I persuaded 17 people to give up drugs forever." "17 people? That's wonderful. What did you tell them?" "I used a diagram, your honor. I drew two circles like this...
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...and told them this (the big circle) is your brain before drugs and this (small circle) is your brain after drugs." "That's admirable," said the judge.
"And you, how did you do?", he asked the second boy, "Well, your honor, I persuaded 156 people to give up drugs forever." "156 people! That's amazing! How did you manage to do that?!?", "Well, I used a similar approach. (draws two circles)
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I said (pointing to the small circle) "this is your asshole before prison, ..."
Remember the scene at the beginning of the movie “Braveheart,” when the evil English lord claims droit du seigneur—the right to deflower Mel Gibson’s bride—over the powerless Scots? Well, that medieval reality is something like what Iraqis are living with today.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20892483/site/newsweek/site/newsweek/
Is Sen. Leahy drinking the kool-aid as well
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20903560/
With hundreds of thousands of Baghdad residents having fled their homes for the relative safety of segregated neighborhoods or foreign countries, a clandestine system of buying and selling property off the books has supplanted more traditional real estate practices.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20898777/
Since I posted a comment about Khmer Rouge two days ago, I thought this also might be of interest.
Top Chile court orders Fujimori sent to Peru.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20904497/
Hillbillys
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0911071logansix1.html
Didnt the voters already give their approval to marijuana being legal, only to be ignored by the city/police?
The 'war on drugs' is as phony as the 'war on terror'
A friend of mine who was a university residence hall director once said to me:
"I'd rather have a building full of stoners than drunks. With stoners, you throw 'em a bag of potato chips and they're happy. Drunks run around breaking shit."
please....the only way to make it through the bs that will be the dem convention is to be stoned
they should be passing out joints to all the delegates
and if clinton wins the nom...im turning to heroin
Go Denver Go
and once a republican polishes a turd they should be allowed to suck on it!
Thank you bluegal
because of that picture, I've just been reunited with Sargent Stadanko and Sister Mary Elephant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1fPA-Nj-_A
Yer welcome, Clytemnestra, and wasn't Cheech the one who went to night school, took Spanish, and got a B? --BG
I've never heard of anyone dying from smoking grass!
It is The Mile HIGH City, don't forget!
When I get back to Canada, I'm voting for the Marijuana Party of Canada. Yes, it's real, it's legal, is exists, but no one from the party has been elected to Parliament ... yet. Still, I think it's cool we have it. The liberals almost made pot legal, but then the conservatives won the election and nixed that. (Coming soon, one hopes.) We have a lot of political parties (13 to be exact), not just two.
My condolences to Mandela's family. R.I.P.
OK......let's calmly keep our little social issue picadillios (sp) to ourselves until AFTER the 2008 election. I personally am in favor of legalizing dope (and treating drug abuse like a MEDICAL problem, not a fucking WAR), legalizing prostitution (I cite George Carlin....."you can sell stuff, and you can give sex away.....but you can't sell it"), gay marriage....but let's all just chill out and not freak out the sanctimonious hypocritical "conservatives", "traditionalists", "values voters", etc, until we get their right wing authoritarian leaders safely tucked into nice jail cells for the rest of their natural lives, and the propagandists off OUR airwaves with equal time and fairness doctrine provision. With no one around to pull their strings, the puppet zombies tend to just mill around aimlessly not really doing too much harm......then, the party can start.
V V
If you haven't seen it suggest Ron Mann's Grass.
GonzoD @ 13:
Ever heard a drunk ranting about the evils of grass?? No hypocrisy there.
why just the other day i checked out "The I Chong"--meditations from the joint by Tommy Chong...my boy. well ok he's little old to be my boy but hey i am not prejudiced.
and yes legalize pot. for crying out loud. it's just plain goofy to keep it illegal when you could legalize it, go down to the shop, show proof of age and buy it. oh yeah and they could tax it, grr.
the politicians are always wanting to take vacations why don't some of them tight asses go to amsterdam for a week or two--for ah, some research.
What a bunch of pussie morons the democrats are. I have had it up to my eyeballs with their crap. I have to wonder what the fuck they think they are doing. No wonder they are regarded as big pussies by the right. No wonder. No wonder they get hammered on security every election. No wonder.
This is all a big game. The people in washington don't give a shit about the people. They don't give a shit if our wages are stagnant or if we are dying of a curable disease for lack of health care. They don't give a shit. They are all in cahoots. Right and left, they are all the same. All they care about it keeping their jobs. I understand these NRA notjobs now who think that we need the 2nd amendment so we can protect ourselves from the government.
They are all fat cats, obese on the droppings of the lobbyist. The entire system is broken. Every single one of them needs to be thrown out of office.
I'm a strong democrat and I have NEVER voted republican in my life. I didn't vote for Nader. But I'm so pissed right now, I don't care. The dems don't do anything anyway. Why fight for them? Why donate to them? Why bother wasting my time defending them, writing letters to them, calling them on the phone? None of it matters to them. Why operate under the false pretense that they will actually DO anything. They are just like the republicans.
I'm voting for throwing the bums out in 2008. I'm through with the dems. I'm so through, I don't even give a shit if a republican takes over. I just don't care anymore.
If it's not a sin in the bible, that means it's OK, right?
At the next GOP debate, I'd like someone to ask the candidates if they think homosexuals are immoral-- yes or no answer. I'm not American, so sometimes I can't "get involved" in that stuff (must be US citizen).
(knock knock)
It's Mandella, open the door.
Mandella's not here.
No man, I'm Mandella.
Mandella's not here
(and so on, and so on, etc.)
Chronology of American State Terrorism
Palestine, 1948-Present; Colombia, 1960s-Present; Iraq, 1991-Present; Yugoslavia, 1992-Present; Congo/Zaire, 1961-Present; Cuba, 1959-Present; Guatemala, 1953-Present; El Salvador, 1980-Present; East Timor, 1975-1999; Haiti, 1987-1994; Somalia, 1993; Afghanistan, 1979-1992; Nicaragua, 1981-1990; Panama, 1989; Libya, 1981-1989; Iran, 1988; Grenada, 1979-1984; Greece, 1964-1974; Chile,1964-1973; Costa Rica, Mid-1950s, 1970-71; Dominican Republic, 1963-1966; Vietnam, 1945-1974; Cambodia, 1955-1973; Laos, 1957-1973; Thailand, 1965-1973; Italy,1947-1970s; Indonesia, 1965; Brazil, 1961-1964; British Guiana/Guyana, 1953-1964; Iraq, 1963; Soviet Union, 1940s-1960s; Western Europe, 1950s-1960s; Haiti, 1959; Indonesia, 1957-1958; Middle East, 1956-1958; Iran, 1953; Germany, Italy, Europe, 1950s; Eastern Europe, 1948-1956; Albania, 1949-1953; Korea, 1945-1953; Philippines, 1945-1953; Greece, 1947-1949; Marshall Islands, 1946-1958; Italy, 1947-1948; France, 1947; China, 1945-1951; Hiroshima & Nagasaki, August 1945; Japan, Germany, France, 1942-1945; Around the world, 1900-1930s; Philippines, 1899-1902; America and Africa, 1607-1890.
1948 — 1956 American Subversion in Eastern Europe
From Rogue State by William Blum:
Allen Dulles, Director of the CIA, in a remarkable chess game, instigated a high Polish security official, Jozef Swiatlo, to use a controversial American, Noel Field, to spread paranoia amongst the security establishments of Eastern Europe, leading to countless purge trials, hundreds of thousands of imprisonments and at least hundreds of deaths.
1947 — 1949 American Tyranny and Subversion in Greece From Rogue State by William Blum:
“The United States intervened in a civil war, taking the side of the neo-fascists against the Greek left, who had fought the Nazis courageously. The neo-fascists won and instituted a highly brutal regime, for which the CIA created a suitably repressive internal security agency [called KYP]. For the next 15 years, Greece was looked upon much as a piece of real estate to be developed according to Washington's needs…. ... KYP [carried] out all the endearing practices of secret police everywhere, including systematic torture. It was most active during the military junta, 1967-74, a period of routine horrific torture.”
U.S. State Department Policy Planning Study #23, 1948:
"Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity [U.S. military-economic supremacy].... To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming.... We should cease to talk about vague and...unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better."— George F. Kennan, Director of Policy Planning, U.S. State Department, 1948
Hannity, O'Reilly and the rest of pack will have a field day with this. Good idea or bad - why does the convention have to be saddled with s..t like this even before it starts.
A Richard Head @ 4:
...wow, rape is SOOOOOO funny...Legislation like this is just more totalitarian crap. What is "the state's interest" in destroying people's lives, exactly? Punitive drug laws are nothing more than a welfare program from otherwise unemployable pigs like this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ3GXLpClD4
Don't kid yourself- they WANT you be so mentally fucked up that you think prison rape is humorous...
so if the couch wasn't on fire, why did she pour molasses on the cat?
Hype-Jersey @ 20:
Just make it local Joisey, make sure you donate to, or support the local rescue mission ... make sure you support the local shelter ... make sure you support the local grocery co-op... make sure you support the local, community supported mental health clinic. Make sure you give what little you have and can afford, to those who need food, clothes, medical care and housing.
As we have seen over the last week, the people we supported, helped get elected, care not one whit about us. They await their turn at the money trough, 'liberally' filled by whichever corporation happens to dump some more shit as they keenly stick their wet fingers in the air to see which way the political winds are blowing.
I vowed earlier today to never give another penny to any Democratic candidate, I'll save my money for the direct action of helping those around me most in need.
Give to the bloggers, help the netroots grow, but there is no politician, no matter how closely they cleave to my ideals, that will ever receive another plug nickel from me. Too many are hungry, cold and homeless to rely upon the likes of Clinton, Breck boy and Obama.
There is precedent for suspending prohibition during Democratic conventions.
http://californialegacy.org/radio_anthology/scripts/mencken.html
Sheesh.. if you wanted to make the democratic party look any more apathetic, this would be ideal.
Hey Pile, as much as I dislike apatheticism I'll say this. It's better to be apathetic than to be apoplectic(sp?). :-)
i don't know about the rest of you people, but being stoned 24/7 is the only way from going completely crazy with deep, raging hatred for what this country has become. now roll another one, just like the other one!
Being stoned 24/7 pretty much assures you that you won't be party to making the world a better place.
You know they talk about peoples' "carbon footprint", implying how many resources you consume. I wonder what my "stoner footprint" would be? You have to figure, 1 non-stoned person probably has the productivity of about 47 stoned dudes (exceptions made in the field of arts).
> Being stoned 24/7 pretty much assures you that you won’t be party to making the world a better place.
No shit, man!!!! You got to sleep sometime, man!!!! And as President Clinton said, the problem is sleep deprivation (see The Daily Show.)
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid988092926/bctid1184432033
Smoking pot is a form of civil disobedience and I intend to exercise my right to c/d in what ever form. This is still America, right?!
Edwin @ 21:
Gen 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Hey, and Jesus is alright with me.
> Smoking pot is a form of civil disobedience and I intend to exercise my right to c/d in what ever form.
Hey, don't forget to exercixe your right of civil disobedience through brownies!!!! (notice, I didn't capitalize "brownies". It would've been an unfair attack on food.)
The Great Smoke Off Shel Silverstein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVfE_-ZJAxc
It is getting harder to find a bag of mexi brown schwag. Which is good cause the shit from BC is kind and tastes so much better.
Let's all chip in and do what we can to make Denver a glaucoma free zone. Pass the Fritos.
Are these SAFER people for real? This sounds like something Karl Rove would do to make Democrats look like amoral commie drug-lovers.
Honest George @ 24:
Druggie Limbaugh is going to want oxi contin at the repub convention. Don't believe anything they say. They are on drugs.
CEOs, Bush Rangers Rebuff Republicans on War, Widening Deficit
Sept. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Dozens of corporate executives who backed President George W. Bush for re-election in 2004, including some of his top fund-raisers, are now helping Democrats running for president.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20070921/pl_bloomberg/afar_kazjeds
Haha. This did have to come from my home town of Austin...from "libral rag" Austin chronicle. Tommy Chong is my youtube buddy!
Speaking of..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_oLtdVPjjg
shampoo!
Ever wonder why you hear the assertion that driving stoned is dangerous, but never any evidence?
Way back in the 70s (according to a news item I read in Playboy back then) the National Safety Council ran a test.
They tested experienced smokers straight and stoned - also first-timers. Turns out that while there was a marginal dimunition of reaction time, the stoners were actually safer drivers - because they were so careful!
Surprise, surprise, the report wasn't publicly released and subsequent requests for more testing were denied.
PS - First-timers were a bit erratic however, so I am not recommending that you smoke a big fattie for the first time and immediately jump behind the wheel of your Masarati!
A plausible reason I've heard for the government being reluctant to legalize and tax pot is that taxing it is unenforceable. Unlike tobacco and alcohol, it is easy to produce pot at home.
From the Canadien magazine Macleans.ca is one fine article and expose of the failed American war in Iraq.
Edited. Sweetie we ran this yesterday:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/21/how-george-bush-became-saddam/
--BG
Arlo: Coming Into Los Angeles -
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U0Jg7DefD00
Could anyone have possibly given more fodder to the reichwingers who already like to portray all liberals as DFH's.
I wish pro-pot groups could be a bit more wise than this.
Annoyed Canuck @ 42:
Yeah, what s/he said.
More on the Senate masturbation over moveon:
http://www.bsalert.com/news/2074/Senate_Wastes_Time%2FMoney_Slapping_Wri...
Military recruitment lies:
http://www.bsalert.com/news/2071/Military_Recruitment_Facts_Myths_And_Ou...
This week's podcast...
http://www.bsalert.com/news/2064/BSAlert_Show_%233_-_Internet_Dating__Wo...
Pile @ 32:
Lmao...
You must be huffing ether.
Make a list of people in even recent history that have been party to making the world a better place...
And that list is going to contain cannabis aficionados.
You see pile... There is a little thing called psychological suggestive inference.
It is the kind of thing, that lets me tell you that this glass of water is really vodka.. you believe it ..drink the water.. and feel and act drunk... because you believed it was vodka.
The powers that be have known about it for a very long time and have used it to control the behavior of the masses by in a sense having them subconsciously trap themselves.
For example...because I am sensing some seething prejudice towards marijuana use... I am going to tackle a few of the common suggestive inference traps used, and then counter them with up to date information.. Just a few... but please embrace the following with an open mind.
Pot use makes one stupid - suggestive inference....
Which people have heard for years, and hence that is the paradigm they consume it with and then psychologically manifest the A- typical "dumb stoner" personality, which we see reflected on television and movies all the time, thus reinforcing the stereotype, which solidifies the paradigm and so forth.
Recent medical research shows that the Cannabinoids found in Cannabis not only do NOT kill brain cells, they actually cause them to grow.
http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/115/11/3104
ahhh balls .. the rest of my post got cut off..
Oh well ..
To sum it up...
“They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference.” - Bill Hicks
And Cannabis is going to save the earth...
As it is the only plant that can... as it is the only one that did it before...
Go research hemp...
I am rolling a doobie!
Roll roll roll your dope
Gently down your brownie
Merrily Marily Janily Janeally
Pipe is but a dream
lactose intolerant @ 47:
It is easy to make beer at home too. But I don't bother to. I'd rather just go out and pick up a case at the store. I'm lazy that way. Plus, I have not talent for it (or raising plants for that matter).
pussy_galore @ 25:
You've got a name like pussy galore, and you're criticizing my refer joke. Ok then. By the way, I like to light up myself snd I still found the joke funny.
Congress just violated the U.S. Constitution's free speexh and free press provisions, by "damning the Moveon.org advertisement." The Congress of the USA now has joined the ranks of the Soviet Communists and the German Nazis in their military correctness attitudes. These cry babies over the Petraeus ad need some serious psychiatric treatment and need to grow up! I guess these Repugs do hate freedom and the U.S. Constitution. Thus, are the goals of defending freedom really at work in Iraq or is it really about the agenda of global predatory rule?
What would the American economy be like if the population was on soporific drugs rather than stimulants like alcohol and caffeine.?
DUDE.
- JJ
Just as a note, Senator Cornyn doesn't represent actual Texans. In fact we think he's just a bullshit artist.
In another sign that Iraq is improving vastly faster than those librul naysayers ever imagined, cholera has now infected at least 1,500 people in Baghdad. That's right, the capitol city is now beseiged by a disease that science defeated over 100 years ago. This will probably kill tens of thousands of people, more evidence of the vast improvement in the Iraqi's lot since the ruthless dictator was deposed.
The cause, of course, is a lack of potable drinking water.
Looks like Blackwater illegally smuggled weapons into Iraq that ended up in the hands of terrorists. Nice.
WASHINGTON - Federal prosecutors are investigating whether employees of the private security firm Blackwater USA illegally smuggled into Iraq weapons that may have been sold on the black market and ended up in the hands of a U.S.-designated terrorist organization, officials said Friday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070922/ap_on_go_co/us_blackwater_probe
> The cause, of course, is a lack of potable drinking water.
Colber(t) pointed that out on his *NON*Emmy award winning show. :-)
rduke @ 53:
You win the thread.
Here's to pot smokers, who are not lazy, apathetic, or dumb.
lactose intolerant @ 47:
Not to mention all the money the pharmaceutical industry would miss out on! They'd no longer be able to profit off of the sick, who could replace all of their shitty, semi-effective pills with drastic side-effects, with a relatively harmless plant that one can easily grow in their own backyard.
> Here’s to pot smokers, who are not lazy, apathetic, or dumb.
ThanX man! And I speak for the 95% of which you speak about, IMHO.
These guys need pot, not beer. Are all football fans this nuts?
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/multimedia/9917992.html
Protesters!
Its the cops that need to get high, stop running around breakin stuff, faces, ..
Everyday's a protest for me........
69!
Pile @ 32:
Bush isn't stoned at all and he's making the world a horrible place.
What the fuck is up with that shit, Pile?
Gong - You
Yeah Jesse, some pot smokers are lazy, apathetic and dumb. I'm sure all those guys were all energetic geniuses before they started smoking.
And alcohol drinkers are mean, irresponsible, violent and stupid. They kill 20 or 30,000 people a year on the highway, abuse their families, commit hundreds of murders, become helplessly addicted, die by the hundreds of thousands every year from coronary disease, stroke and other maladies - costing billions in health care expenses, miss huge amounts of work nursing hangovers - costing billions more ...oops - I forgot - that's not what we are talking about here - it's all about reefer madness - right?
What a Neanderthal! Let's get all excited about nebulous and unquantified "harms" of the most benign drug known to man - and ignore the elephant in the room
justabill @ 50:
You know, I actually disagree. I think part of the Democrats' problem is that they're always trying to avoid looking bad. The reichwingers are going to trash them somehow, no matter what. Democrats could raise Gen. Patton from the dead, and nominate him for president, and the Republicans would say he hates America, is soft of commies and terror, and Swift Boat him. If this marijuana group hadn't shown up, the Hannitys would lie, and say they did.
It's never "the right time" to stand firmly on gay marriage or legalizing pot or whatever the supposedly untouchable issue of the day is. And we're always on a wild goose chase for the "electable candidate." The result? The Howard Deans and Dennis Kuciniches who actually represent the party are marginalized as unelectable, while the bland, sell-out "moderates" are favored out of a misguided sense of political prudence -- and then we're all shocked when nothing changes.
In 1992 we elected President Bill Clinton -- a philandering, pot-smoking, draft-dodging hick with no pedigree and whose main platform planks were universal health care, "invest and grow" from taxes to pay for social programs, and gays in the military. Needless to say, this does not look good on paper. But we won. How? Whenever the crazy reich wing said "philanderer," Clinton said, "better economy." Whenever they said "draft dodger," Clinton said, "better jobs." Whenever they said, "pot smoker," Clinton said, "health care." When they said "homosexual agenda," Clinton said, "Hell yes, I'm for equality! Why aren't you?" When they said "socialized medicine," Clinton said, "Here's my brilliant plan."
In short, there's never a good time to bring up these kinds of issues. And there is no way to avoid Republican smears. It's their MO -- no matter what. The only way to win is to stand up for what is right, look the reich in the face, and say to the voters, "Let them bring it on! They can smear us, and we will make your lives better!" And not to back down.
Karen @ 73:
If the group's argument had stuck to decriminalization and or legalization issues without trying to piggyback on the Democratic convention, I'm all for having that debate and seeing what candidates will even touch it. I looked at their website and it's pretty good. What they have done here though is weigh down the one political party that may someday come to support some of their goals/issues with the DFH BS. It's completely boneheaded and invites a backlash from the Dem candidates. If I were a candidate that actually supported the group's cause, the first thing I would do is distance myself and my party from them as much as possible.
And their using the rediculous assertion that pot smoking protestors will be more docile as an excuse is lame. Prosecution and incarceration costs, loss of productivity due to workplace drug screens that can't differentiate recent use from some weeks ago that would have no impact on workplace safety, the increase in tax revenue and the boon to farmers by allowing the cultivation of recreational marijuana and hemp as opposed to letting it remain an underground untaxed criminal act, .... (I've barely scratched the surface). They took a worthy cause with a lot of hard science to back them up, and threw it all away imho.
'Disaster Capitalism' the Monstrous Offspring of Military Keynsianism.
I've been away for a week, but why is there nothing on the student who was tasered?
Annoyed Canuck @ 42:
I think you are on to something.
justabill @ 74:
Gotcha! Yes, I definitely see where you're coming from. Though, I suppose they might think that such a stunt is the only way folks will pay any attention to them at all -- that this is the only way to spark a large discussion.
hadenuf @ 76:
Because, as a week goes by, so do the front pages of C&L. ;)
bill w @ 77:
Hey! I'm Bill W
:P
So here's the liberal agenda? (my sentiments in ())
--Fuck the democrats. (I agree that everyone in DC sucks ass)
--Fuck Hillary even more. (I agree she could be more ideal)
--Fuck Obama. (I agree he could be more ideal)
--Republicans and democrats are the same. (That's absurd)
--Do everything we want now, or don't bother, you fucking corporate whores! (sigh)
--Hey democrats, stand up for yourselves ... and us! (I'm in total agreement)
--Hey dems, since you won't stand up for yourselves, we'd just as soon keep the republicans. (shudder, fetal position, rock back and forth)
--If you don't vote your conscience, the status quo wins (I agree ... but the right wing nutjobs know how to vote to at least get a little of what they want)
--End the war in Iraq. (Amen ... let's see how quick that happens if we let the right wing win in '08 so we can send a message to the dems)
--Don't vote for Hillary under any circumstances. (Republicans are worse under any circumstances)
--Marijuana is good ... no great. (I agree that it isn't as bad as those who are economically interested in making it sound bad would have you believe)
This is why it will be 2012 and we will be bitching about the same things we are bitching about today. I pray to God the dems find those extra 14 votes in Ohio. Otherwise we'll be bitching about all the same things, including a republican in the white house.
I'll use an analogy (which I'm sure will get torn to pieces by the Kucinich crowd ... but they're welcome to it, because part of me actually would like them to succeed in convincing me that voting against Hillary in the GENERAL, and hating her from here to there, is a good idea).
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Imagine you were a customer of a large natural gas company (Company A). You have problems with how this gas company does some things. It does good things, like heat your home, but you can't get past the fact that they won't pay 100% of their employees' health care. Plus you're pissed off that the CEO of the gas company makes 3000% of what the average employee makes. Both noble concerns. There does happen to be another company out there, who is a little different (Company B). They offer free daycare. They pay 5% more on healthcare; and their CEO only makes 2500% of what the average employee makes. But while they're a little different, You've decided they're just not different enough. You're not going to give them your business either, because you believe there should be a company that pays 100% healthcare and the CEO shouldn't be lousy with money.
So you've heard this guy saying, "You know what. Fuck 'em all. We should all just fire them all. Tell them to come unhook your service because you refuse to give them your money anymore. Eventually they'll come around, or go out of business."
"Yeah, fuck those guys. That'll teach 'em.", you think to yourself. So you do it. Perfectly within your rights, and even a noble gesture. You've made a decision to take a stand on principle; you even wrote them a letter telling them why.
Your service got unhooked as you asked. Not surprisingly, your letter never got answered. In fact, some 8$ hour clerk read it, laughed, and threw it in the trash. But that's okay, you still have your principles. And you're cold; but that's okay too, you made this decision knowing that.
In the meantime a homeless guy living under an overpass has started a campaign to raise capital to start his own gas company that will be exactly the way you believe comanies should be. You throw all of your support behind him.
You tell your friends to do the same. Most of them say, "Dude, fuck off. My kids need heat. Today."
You say, "No. Fuck you. You're what's wrong with this country. We could win this if you weren't such a pussy."
Then one of your friends mentions that he hates all of the gas companies too. But he switched to the other company because, while they don't do everything right, they do some things better. You inform him that he is a fascist, corporate whore lover. He argues that the more progressive company has a better chance of making the changes that might just lead to more socially responsibility. You tell him to fuck off. When they finally do it all, then he can give you a call. In the meantime all of your support and money go to the homeless guy with the great idea.
Fast forward 1 year ...
You live under an overpass. You lost your home in a fire because you were burining pallets for heat. All of your savings is gone because you gave it to the homeless guy with the great idea.
His idea never got off of the ground. But thanks to your contributions, he did get himself off the street. He now works for Company B as a mailroom clerk. Even the mailroom clerks get a healthcare benefit at Co B, unlike the guys at Co A. Yes, Co A is still in business and the CEO is as rich as ever. They've got a great marketing department. Turns out their stock price has gone up 15% since you wrote your scathing letter.
You now stand at a busy intersection around rush hour every day hoping you'll get a couple of dollars here and there. Some guy drives up, looks over at you, scoffs, and since you can read his lips through the window, you know he said, "Get a job you fucking loser." That doesn't surprise you much. But as the light turns green, it dawns on you. That was the very guy with the great idea whom you gave all your money to a year ago. The very guy who was going to change the world with his idea ... and your money.
Oh well. You have your principles. That's all that really matters.
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Sorry, bandwidth gods.
Collecting of Details on Travelers Documented
U.S. Effort More Extensive Than Previously Known
By Ellen Nakashima
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 22, 2007; Page A01
The U.S. government is collecting electronic records on the travel habits of millions of Americans who fly, drive or take cruises abroad, retaining data on the persons with whom they travel or plan to stay, the personal items they carry during their journeys, and even the books that travelers have carried, according to documents obtained by a group of civil liberties advocates and statements by government officials.
The personal travel records are meant to be stored for as long as 15 years, as part of the Department of Homeland Security's effort to assess the security threat posed by all travelers entering the country. Officials say the records, which are analyzed by the department's Automated Targeting System, help border officials distinguish potential terrorists from innocent people entering the country.
But new details about the information being retained suggest that the government is monitoring the personal habits of travelers more closely than it has previously acknowledged. The details were learned when a group of activists requested copies of official records on their own travel. Those records included a description of a book on marijuana that one of them carried and small flashlights bearing the symbol of a marijuana leaf.
The Automated Targeting System has been used to screen passengers since the mid-1990s, but the collection of data for it has been greatly expanded and automated since 2002, according to former DHS officials.
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Thing Fish @ 71:
And if things don't change for better or worse
well man you must be dead
But cha don't have to give up hope
and ya don't have to give up dope
and ya don't have to change your ways
You just have to be what you are my friends
... today ...
that's what the Octave Doctor says
I live in Denver, know Mason Tvert, am part of SAFER, and attend city council meetings. I want to clear some things up for people commenting on this board.
First of all, SAFER is very real. We're entirely grassroots and have no party affiliation. The DNC Convention thing was and is entirely a way to twist the councils nuts on the issue, and it totally worked. To be more precise, there are council members that know the War on Drugs is a sham. There are others, however, who have completely sold out and are in bed with the treatment center owners who profit greatly from marijuana prohibition. Our two most sold out, establishment councilmembers are Michael Hancock and Judy Montero. Unfortunately they represent the Airport and downtown districts respectively and are very influential. The good news is they were PISSED by this initiative, and Mason and SAFER did a great job keeping the issue in the papers out here. Everyone knew the Council would never capitulate on Mason's conditions to drop the ballot initiative, but the conflict has made the news enough to keep people informed and excited about the issue. This November Denver will put one more nail in the War on Drugs' coffin.
That all said, we DID legalize in Denver and SOME cops have become pretty cool about it. More importantly, We have some of the BEST weed in the country here in Denver. Yeah, the mexicans bring lots of schwag into town, but there is just as much if not even more high quality, even BC quality, basement grown hydroponics.
So I urge you, call the Denver City Council, and ask why they don't accept our moratorium. The DNC Convention could be a rockin good time in Mile High!
I admire the effort to treat pot on the same level as alcohol. For some reason, because it was "hippies", "beatniks", and other counter-culture types who took to pot, the folks in charge felt that smoking a joint was worse than their 3-martini lunches. (end of stereotype-filled rant)
However, what was SAFER thinking in linking this to the Democratic Convention?!? It'll become a field day for the RWW (right-wing-sacko) radio set. Granted, anybody who listens to that set and believes them is brain-dead already, but why give those loonies that ammunition? Wouldn't it be better to try a nation-wide campaign during another time period? At least a dual campaign, with the 2nd week during the Republican convention.
I appreciate their efforts, but they need better PR folks to explain why feeding fuel to the morons on radio is not always necessary.
odanny @ 7:
Not only is it phony, it's a racket.
Remember Angel Raich? The terminally ill woman who had a license from the State of California to legally grow it for personal use? The feds busted her, and Alberto Gonzales actually argued that he had jurisdiction under the interstate commerce clause. How is it interstate commerce, you ask, if she never sold it and it never left her house, let alone cross state lines? Well that's what's even more fucked up. Gonzo cited a 1942 case, Wickard vs. Filburn... in which a farmer was growing his own wheat for personal use and therefore was judged to have been interfering in the commercial wheat market, because he otherwise would have to buy wheat from somewhere. So Gonzo's (the federal government's) argument was that it didn't matter whether the trade was licit or illicit, ergo... Angel Raich's crime was that she grew her own pot legally when she should have been contributing to black market commerce. What less would you expect from a government that has used the black market drug trade to raise untraceable money for illegal wars? And just consider the threat to the pharmaceutical industry! The very thought of someone growing their own medicine! Independence? Self-sufficiency? Self-reliance? Aren't those supposed to be Republican traits? That's what they're always telling us, anyway.
see you all in denver.
Half of me thinks it's cute. Half of me wishes they'd do it at the Republican convention instead of repeating the meme that Democrats are the stoner party.
But maybe it's appropriate. The Republicans should host the "how many gays can fit in a closet orgy" performance art.
i read an article at huff po about some of bush's "Rangers" who are now donating to democrats...DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
why would someone who is ranger status suddenly donate to a democrat? i'm smelling all kinds of rats here. if the republicans are propping up a democratic candidate that means they have 'favourites' that the right could control. maybe we have another kerry in the hen house.
as weak as their candidates are this season it might be easier for them to get a weak manipulatable, attackable
hillaryer ah democrat in the white house.Space Coyote @ 86:
And unfortunately, under current precedent, Gonzales was on solid ground. Every law student is forced to read that case, eyes-a-poppin' and mouth agape. The commerce clause has long since ceased to mean what it says (like so much of the Constitution).
A very unpleasant fact about 20th Century, New Deal jurisprudence is that it has come back to bite us in the ass. During the Lochner Era, the court routinely struck down the federal government's attempts to meddle in the economy. The courts presumptions and paradigm were largely what we would describe today as libertarian. Naturally, it was an impediment to FDR's progressive programs. Unfortunately, rather than present solid arguments for why particular programs were Constitutional, the progressives of yesteryear convinced the Court to adopt a "presumption of Constitutionality" for challenged laws. It became "activist" for the Court to strike down popular programs, while the "conservatives" of the day were warning about the threat to basic freedom such arguments posed in the long run.
Jump to the beginning of the 21st Century, and you can see what has happened. Presumptions of Constitutionality work in favor of authoritarians. An activist judge is now simply one who strikes down any law favored by a majority. You grow marijuana in your own home? We'll getcha under interstate commerce. You invoke unenumerated rights? You have none, unless you can prove it's as "fundamental" (whatever that means) as the ones that are enumerated.
Ahh, but here we run into the paradox of modern Republicans -- the party is an alliance of authoritarians and libertarians. Again, I implore progressives and libertarians to stop disdaining one another, and work together against authoritarians. You want these ridiculous commerce clause rulings that support the war on drugs to stop? You won't convince the old-guard "liberal" judges. And you certainly won't convince the new "conservative" judges -- who are really just authoritarians taking the New Deal jurisprudence to its logical and frightening extreme. You want the war on drugs to stop? Heh, among the many impediments to such an ambition is the simple fact that both progressives and libertarians would rather work with and court authoritarians than work with one another.
DNC has options to end the war in Iraq. They refuse.
SeeThis @ 91:
The DNC?
I have hacked C&L and I have sent all your addresses to the Feds. They in turn will contact the your local authorities and you will be put on their list for the FEMA camps...
Honey roll up another one and let's mess with another bunch of liberals...psych :)
U.S. Rule Limits Emergency Care for Immigrants
By SARAH KERSHAW
Published: September 22, 2007
The federal government has told New York State health officials that chemotherapy, which had been covered for illegal immigrants under a government-financed program for emergency medical care, does not qualify for coverage. The decision sets the stage for a battle between the state and federal governments over how medical emergencies are defined.
The change comes amid a fierce national debate on providing medical care to immigrants, with New York State officials and critics saying this latest move is one more indication of the Bush administration’s efforts to exclude the uninsured from public health services.
State officials in New York and other states have found themselves caught in the middle. The New York dispute, focusing on illegal immigrants with cancer — a marginal group of unknown size among the more than 500,000 people living in New York illegally — has become a flash point for health officials and advocates for immigrants in recent weeks.
Article continues:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/22/washington/22emergency.html?_r=1&adxnn...
# 94
Compassionate Conservatives in action
Well, how bout this? There is a pub in England that tests your sweat for pot before allowing you to enter.
That's right. Before you can enter the pub to get totally piss drunk, you have to show that you haven't been smoking that evil weed.
Makes perfect sense.
And this, dear friends, is exactly why so many liberals oppose security on the Mexican border. Keep that Tijuana Gold coming! Nevermind the destruction of the country.
the 4th Reich is rising @ 94:
Wht does the Fourth Reich have to do with this issue? We have millions of legal Americans who are denied essential medical care, why should our tax dollars provide the most expensive treatments for people who are in this country illegally? Read Chris Hedges' "American Facisism." Anyone who supports illegal entry and replacing American workers with illegal, cheap foreign workers is not acting in the interest of preserving democracy in America.
Annoyed Canuck @ 42:
Commie is old-hat. They'd be amoral islamo-fascist-liberal drug-lovers. Maybe Karl Rove is doing it. You don't think he's disappeared completely do you? (Nor has Rumsfeld-- just becasue he's not on TV... )
Karen @ 92:
Yes, the DNC committee chairs can zero-out funding, and require the GOP to pass an amendment to add money back.
Yes, the DNC committee chairs in the House and Senate can agree to common language between both houses, making a conference committee irrelevant/not needed; and the GOP would have no power to "make" or "block" a conference committee.
Yes, the DNC has the power to say in any bill -- like Habeas restoration -- to compel the President to do something; then add as an Amendment an appropriations bill.
Yes, the DNC could say that all appropriations will be Amendments, forcing the President to accept the bill as it is, or veto it.
Yes, the DNC Chairs in the House and Senate could say, "We will no longer fund the Iraq war after X-date" and zero-out funds; then require the GOP to pass an amendment to add money back; or force the President to veto the very bill, leaving the President with no money.
GIven the above options which the DNC refuse to use, the only reasonable conclusion is the DNC is complicit with the continued Iraq war funding. Even through they are publicly saying, "Woe is us, the GOP is blocking us from ending this," the DNC appears not to be serious about using all options to end what they say is illegal.
Failing to use "all options on the table" to do something would appear to be an oath of office issue: Having some sort of mental reservation about doing what they should be doing.
kaT @ 97:
Yeah, right. Remind me which rock you crawled out from under. Bush has already destroyed the country. He didn't need any help. Now get off the computer or I'm going to tell your mother.
Some of us work hard escaping. Some others spend their days acquiring and solidifying bases of power and wealth.
Are those my only two choices?
Dem and GOP?
Great. I'll just keep doing what I've been doing, thank you.
Amazing @ 100:
I'm not sure you know what the DNC is. Suffice it to say, as an entity, it does not have committee chairs in the House or Senate. You mean the Democratic Party.
And the award for the silliest hypothesis regarding a political stance goes to..........
kaT @ 97:
Having a lot of people doing drugs outside your convention is NOT the way to win over center-america. Sorry, but this is probably not the time for drug use, especially considering the weight of this upcoming election...
God, I LOVE Colorado!!!!
"center america" needs to smoke a few bowls and chill. maybe they'll stop worrying about gay marriage, abortion, bombing little brown babies, and pissing all over immigrants. it's hard to be a total dick when you're high.
UnEasyOne @ 72:
Did you read my other post? I am a pot smoker. I am just cheering on the guy posting about the the type of pot smoker (i.e., most if not all the people I know that smoke weed) that you don't often hear about or see. People who don't smoke pot assume we're all dumb, lazy, and apathetic, and I was just stoked to see someone talking about that.
kaT @ 97:
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Actually, Mexican weed is shit.
And Mexicans aren't ruining our country, you're just a sheep and easily fooled into misplacing your hatred on Mexicans instead of the crooked politicians that are REALLY fucking up our country.
UnEasyOne @ 72:
Oh, and by the way, if you would have re-read my post, and noticed the punctuation. I wrote: "Here's to pot smokers, who are not lazy, apathetic, or dumb." I definitively said that pot smokers aren't any of those things.
You misunderstood my post. Sorry for that.
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