Lieberman, Kyl gear up for another war
By Steve Benen Friday Sep 21, 2007 7:06amNational Review’s Cliff May reports:
Senators Lieberman and Kyl are offering an amendment today calling on the US to combat, contain and roll back Iran’s aggression in Iraq. It also designates the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a foreign terrorist organization.
They're apparently not satisfied with the ongoing wars; they're ready for another.
Jonathan Schwarz has more.
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I still laugh at the idiots in Connecticut who re-elected Lieberman.
Sickening.
I think it is time that the Democrats grow some freaking balls and remove Senator Lieberman from his committee chairmanship. The chairmanship is the only reason that Senator Lieberman "caucuses" with the Democrats to give them the "majority" to run the Senate, but he has voted time and time again with the Republicans and has continued to push for the further erosion of rights and for a war against all "enemies" of Israel.
Yes, by removing Senator Lieberman from his chairmanship he will most likely bolt for the Republicans and give them the "majority", but so be it. Maybe then, the voters of Connecticut will see him for the power hungry theocratic fascist that he is.
Bush the Liar @ 1:
Agreed. What they ever saw in this traitor, I'll never know.
Oh yeah? Them and what army? LOL.
Heard a report yesterday on NPR about conscientious objectors in Israel. Their society is splitting along the generation line.
Thankfully, nothing like this will ever clear the House, and hopefully the Dems will put their own poison pill adendum into the Senate version so they can tit-for-tat throw them both away in committee before the Senate version of the 08 defense bill ever hits the floor.
Republicans in the Senate may be able to block a troop drawdown or a timeline from the 08 defense budget, and the Dems better damn well make their asses really filibuster to do it by making them "stay up all night reading the Bible and The Collected Works of Ann Coulter" when they do, but they will never be able to get this thing through. Non-binding "Sense of the Senate" or not.
Hopefully the Dems will at least refuse to give Bush an entire years budget and instead just give him 6 mo's or so if the GOP is able to successfully filibuster anything meaningful over the next few weeks. Kicking that ball another six mo's down the road sucks, yes, but by then the elections will be looming and hopefully enough Repukes will be ready to jump ship, if they don't on this go around.
are Halliburton and Blackwater still not happy with their windfalls?
Republicans in Connecticut put him back in office. Even provided the $
No, no, no!
No you can't have another war until you've finished your first two.
Joseph Palmer @ 9:
I want to laugh at that. I really do. It IS very funny the way you put it.
But all I can do is just barely keep myself from crying honestly.
If we go to war with Iran, we are toast. I don't mean we'd lose or anything; but it'd be the end of America as a superpower in any sense of the word. Our prestige would be monumentally shot. And can you imagine what it would be like if *we* were hit with trade sanctions? Don't think it can't happen. We may have veto power in the UN, but it doesn't mean people like the EU and others can't do things like that.
If the rest of the world honestly believes we've gone batshit insane, I see very little chance for us to avoid being stuck in a ditch for the next 20 to 40 years.
This is a PRIME example of how dangerous Lie berman and the Republicans are. They don't give a flying f*ck about the troops or the will of the people or the future of this country. All they are worried about is scratching the backs and massaging the feet of their defense industry overlords. The possibility of a nuclear Iran what 5 to as much as 10 yrs from now, is not such a great threat to the US. Certainly not right now.
At least Iran is a signatory to the NPT, unlike our buds India, Pakistan, and Israel.
The msm needs to get real and report the truth not reichwing warmonger lies about the threat posed to the US by Iran. Never has it been shown that Iran is pursuing nuclear research for anything other than peaceful uses which they have an "inalienable right" to do. And even if we assume that they are, it's not a huge threat to the US or Israel for that matter. Isreal has hundreds of nukes theirselves already.
And a tax of 90% on the top 10% of the country to pay as we go would be a nice addition
Hello, "No-Balls"Reid:
Get your head out of your BELTWAY ASS and send Lieberman packing!!
HE IS A "DE FACTO" PRACTICING FASCIST AND FOR DAMNED SURE NO DEMOCRAT, so why do you keep this viper clutched so close to your yellow belly? What kind of deal do you have with this IMP FROM THE GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY HELL?
He has done absolutely nothing to help end this insane war, nor has he done anything but vote AGAINST ALL EFFORTS AT REFORM OF ANY KIND, and yet you treat him LIKE THE BLOOD BROTHER HE SO OBVIOUSLY IS. Or is it that you, YOURSELF, are a "Closeted Member" of the SAME CABAL?
Your actions argue that this may very well be the case!
For my money YOU, SIR, are as deserving of IMPEACHMENT AS ALL THOSE OF THE BUSH/CHENEY CABAL OF WHICH JOE LIEBERMAN IS A PUBLICLY CONFESSED MEMBER.
FOR SHAME, SIR! FOR SHAME!
"Heard a report yesterday on NPR about conscientious objectors in Israel. Their society is splitting along the generation line."
Israelis have never been of one mind. However, the right wing Israeli propaganda machine, AEI, AIPAC, American Spectator, and other neo-con publications would have you believe otherwise. This way, if you get upset with them they can tell you that you are a latent anti-semite who hates jews. That's their silencing technique. In reality, there are many Israeli's that would love for the U.S. to stop just supporting the extremists in their body politic and bring some real diplomatic help to the region. When we criticize people like Lieberman, Kristol, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, etc. we aren't anti semites. We're anti Lieberman, Kristol, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Likud, AIPAC, and AEI.
Bush the Liar @ 1:
Let's see if we can nip this one in the bud:
Lieberman lost the Democratic primary in CT.
Most Dems voted against him in the general election.
A lot of Republicans voted for him instead of the GOP candidate, who got no support from the national party.
That's how he won.
If the Dems did not have such a narrow majority in the Senate, Lieberman would have no power.
There are only 15 states (other than CT) that don't have a Repuke in the Senate. Unless you are from one of those states, STFU about CT already.
oldgringo @ 13:
That would be stupidest thing ever done by any politician in the history of this country. You really would rather Reid give the Senate majority over to the GOP?
Lie berman sucks yes, but that's just crazy talk.
Au Contraire Mon Frere @ 14:
a pretty good indication that as israel says , america is owned and controlled by mossad!!! oh wait thats antisemetic!
Bush the Liar @ 1:
Funny...I cry & fly into uncontrollable rages. Way to go, CT!
Well, I'm not surprised Chicken Joe and Chicken Jon are revving their engines for another war they don't
have to fight in. I'd like to draft some of these clowns for frontline duty. They aren't doing anything in the Senate. Maybe they could be sent as stretcher bearers. They're used to carrying loads. They've both been carrying water for George Bush for almost 7 years.
I just feel like crying over the whole thing. Are these people serious? They don't even PRETEND to want to try diplomacy any more. The neocon rats are all lined up with their xmas lists of who they want their talking chimp to bomb next. And the suck ass dem "majority" are waiting in the wings to vote it all through right before going on tv and whining about how they can't get anything done.
justabill @ 16:
And how, exactly, would it be any different than it is now? Some "majority" they have when Lieberman vote with the Rethugs anyway. There is no Democratic majority. They are only led to believe they have a majority, the Dems know this, and yet go along and pretend they have a majority. What voting evidence is there that a Democratic majority exists?
We really need to nip this in the bud...
To those who think Lieberman WON the election...
Understand that in 2000 and 2006 Lieberman's opponents got the EXACT SAME amount of votes.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3778
The odds of that happening are impossible.
Whoever was in charge of the vote rigging software forgot to change some code. Why do you think you see the same corporate shills in both parties over and over again. THe small fish are the ones that are "voted" out to make it all look legit as the big fish continue the corporate whoring. Vote rigging software is the only guarantee that they have.
Phoenix Justice @ 3:
Actually I think in that scenario the majority remains with the Democrats, according to rules they drew up at the beginning of the Congress. Maybe because Joe Lieberswitch can make up new parties but he can't switch to ones that already exist whenever it's convenient for him.
At any rate, that possibility was explored early on and was NOT the reason he was given committee chair perqs. The real reason had something to do with the fact that Senators are too polite by half to one another, or that inertia means something, or that Senators are the kind of people who will continue shaking your hand even as they drop to their knees from the pain of the wound in their back as you grind the knife in.
It does mean that the Senate is effectively stalemated every time, but Lieberman is such a traitor it's like that anyway. What needs to happen will happen in 2008, when every single sitting Republican Senator up for election gets washed away in a tide of voter outrage. They've hitched themselves so firmly to Bush and Iraq they're never going to recover from it. I can only imagine that they're not too worried about losing their jobs now, and are just trying to keep the status quo up as long as possible to get their loot out while they can.
By the way, how many of the Senators have investments denominated in US dollars anymore? Would be interesting to know. I think they should be FORCED to repatriate all of their cash into the US stock market so they can ride out the fucking horrorshow that's coming up with the rest of us.
Bush is using the same script for Iran...He said it would be easy cause...
"We jus hafta change one letter"
It doesn't matter how the Senate or the House votes on the issue, it will be enough for Premier Boosh that of couple of sick bastards submitted a resolution like this. He will claim that he has the authority to wage undeclared war. The gutless, complicit pieces of shit who run both houses will capitulate, letting Bush do whatever he wants. If Iran has any brains, they will establish a mutual defense treaty with China and Russia.
With the exception of those branches which prey upon citizens, I don't think government works anymore. Most of our elected officials aren't even pretendng to care anymore. This can't have a happy ending.
Ah, the good senator from israel wanting more war.... lets strap a gun on his back and boot his out at 30,000 feet and let him war away.....
HDon @ 21:
You really need to take an intro pol sci course if you don't know. As majority leader, Reid has considerable control over what bills ever come to floor in the first place, and as the majority party, they get to control oversight. The Dems in the Senate may not have the 60 votes they need (yet) to get cloture to even vote on anything meaningful with regards to Iraq, that's true, but it sure as F*CK won't be any better if you let the GOP back in the driver's seat. You are blaming Reid for what the Republicans are doing.
We shall see what kind of guts the democrat party has. If this bill passes, then this ought to be the last straw for a lot of people who think the democrat party is any different than the repugnicans.
I was just watching c-span 2 and listening to the guy who wrote the book, "Blackwater" This guy knows his shit and as he talked he scared the hell out of me. Blackwater was hired by homeland security and sent to the Katrina area to stop looters and such. But think about it, they answer to no one. Now I'm more worried about having a hurricane and them being sent here. Hurricanes are one thing, armed men who have no rules are something else. Oh, and by the way, Blackwater billed the govt three times the amount of what they actually paid each of their men.
This guy said we can't carry on in Iraq without all the private contractors. So why would we want to get involved with Iran and have to pay more contractors to do more things.
I bet more repubs voted for Lieberman than dems in ct.
Jesus, this country is finished. And good fucking riddance. The nazis really did win WWII, it just took a few more decades and Karl Rove and Joe Lieberman and Rupert Murdoch.
Oh yes, and today in a military presentation, Iran just said "bring it on" to tha US, showing up its brand new Ghadr1 long-range missile, capable of hitting almost anywhere in the middle-east.
This annual presentation celebrate the US-backed Iraki invasion of Iran who started the 8 years long war who killed one million iranians and irakis, 27 years ago.
What a timing for Lieberman to call for another war with Iran.
Sorry, in french:
http://fr.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070922/twl-gov-def-nuc-4bdc673_1.html
tyree @ 17:
That's okay. No one likes semets.
Flying Squid @ 32:
why not they like zionests , hope i spelled that right!
justabill @ 27:
The way things stand now we easily can pick up 3-5 senate seats in the next election. That's the time to kick Lieberman's ass to the curb. Lieberman knows this, this is why he is trying to start another war now while he has some clout/power.
Draft Lieberman's son!
oh and bill mahers is still a douchbag!
Are Senators Lieberman and Kyl prepared to personally lead the charge? Will their boots be on the ground?
JJohnson @ 10:
I don't mean to be to snippish about this, but I'm pretty sure WE ARE LOSING IN IRAQ. And we don't have the soldiery it would take to win in Iran.
So we'd lose, all right. We'd lose the same way we lost in Vietnam: we would fail in our objective, whatever that was defined as. The only success would be in getting the war started.
The oil shock would immediately crash our economy, and if we were lucky a coup wouldn't occur as the government completely lost control of everything that was going on.
The only thing we have going for us is that it's so close to the 2008 elections. Not enough time anymore to start crazy shit, unless you're totally crazy (not ruling that out by the way). The time to start crazy shit was the beginning of this year, in order for it to mature enough to be status quo and don't change the horses in mid-apocalypse acceptable to vote in a continuation of the Same Old Shit.
Well, history is hard to predict. Germany had a painful road out of Nazism which was partially a consequence of the coincident rise of Soviet Communism. I don't know that it would be as easy to conquer or partition the United States, and I doubt we'd be wandering around in the bombed-out shells of our former cities, but I do think it would take some time to return to normality. It would start with a good firm repudiation of Republicanism.
justabill @ 27:
No-Balls Reid can have my respect back when he stops putting Republican bills on the floor. Period. Not a single one. No good has ever come of any of them.
i wouldnt take much comfort in the 08 elections thiers more democrat slash really are republicans just waiting for thier turn to sell us out to the corporations!
Ruthless People @ 34:
Amen!
AnthonyMason2k5 @ 28:
Can you tell me who belongs to this "Democrat" party? Before I go bashing a group I like to know who they are.
I know the Democratic, Republican and Independent parties but this "Democrat" party is new to me.
I thought George Bush saying it was just showing his illeteracy, but I see by your post it must exist so any names of those in the party would be helpful.
I think Reid has done a good job so far especially considering he has really only had a minority thus far with Tim Johnson out until just now and Lie berman posing, and that he has balls this big!
The Democrats Get Balls!
http://demballs.cf.huffingtonpost.com/
[Put your drink down before clicking that last link. I'm not responsible for your keyboard.]
The Republicans are like vampires, they feed on the blood of innocents.
The people who advocate an attack on Iran don't know what they are talking about, or are simply lying (I'm talking to you Holy Joe). There is no way to eliminate the country's ruling elite and destroy their nuclear facilities without the invasion/ occupation that our overstressed Army can't do as long as we are stuck in Iraq.
If US bombing "took out" (murdered) most of the leaders, others would take their place, and the circumstances of their elevation to power would demand they would be even more radically opposed to us than the current Iranian leaders are.
There is a fondly held notion that our bombing could "eliminate" (murder) such a large proportion of their military that groups (American loving) could revolt and overthrow the Islamic Revolutionary Government. Aside from the many civilians who presumably would lose loved ones serving in the Iranian military, this fantasy ignores the fact that the Islamic Revolution has general approval of the population and that the radicals would have their hands strengthened by an American attack.
The real reason the Neo-conservatives wish to attack Iran? Perpetual war, with working class American sacrifices fueling patriotic ardor keeping the Republicans in power perpetually. And, it keeps oil prices high as an added bonus.
Bush the Liar @ 1:
Democrats didn't - Republicans did.
If you recall he lost his primary and refused to go away.
"that it should be the policy of the United States to combat, contain, and roll back the violent activities and destabilizing influence inside Iraq of the Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran"
You read this resolution, and contrast it with the role we have had in Iraq since 2003 (1,000,000 dead Iraqi men, women and children, 4.5 million refugees, destroyed infrastructure and civil institutions) and you cannot help but confront the sickening irony of it.
WE ARE A NATION OF WAR CRIMINALS
I want a Republican president in '08. And I want him there when we pull out of Iraq. This may work out because I'm not voting for Hillary.
pissed off patricia @ 29:
I am a Navy veteran that briefly worked for a contractor (Dyncorp) and I heard a rumor that those pricks get paid like $100 an hour for me, even though they were paying me $18 an hour.
I imagine they're all like that - especially in Iraq. If you think the people that are over there are making a killing think about the "higher ups" who aren't even over there and just sitting on their asses.
It's disgusting that people are profiting from something that is ruining the lives of so many others.
And if that is a primary motive behind these mad wars then the downfall of our country and government can't come soon enough.
Iran’s aggression in Iraq?
The US invades, ousts their government, destroys the infrastructure, tortures the residents, hires mercenaries who answer to no one, builds a massive embassy, arms both sides in a ethno-religious struggle for domination, and Iran's being aggressive?
Guido, OBGYN, Lover @ 46:
Well you have to think the lesser of 2 evils, so if you vote Rupug you're either a Repug or a fool.
Vacuus Deus @ 48:
Wouldn't Russia bombing us for assisting the Afghanis during the Afghan Russia war be the same thing as us retaliating against Iran for the relative few Iranians who are in Iraq supporting Iraqis?
Vacuus Deus @ 48:
Agreed.
If the Chinese or the Rooskies (or Allah forbid, the "islamofascists") invaded Mezzico or Canadaria I'd happily bet my ever dwindling life savings that we'd be going absolutely apeshit sending freedom fighters and freedom fighter supplies to help our beloved neighbors in their struggle against oppression. Is it really that much of a stretch to think that Iran might do the same thing?
It will pass and Israel will be bombed when we attack Iran.
Then China and Russia will join in to protect their oil interests.
America MUST bounce Lieberman.... we cannot afford such blood-thirsty war mongers in our high offices any longer.
I was kind of wondering if it is the current goal of US politicians to see how far they can push until we get another JFK or Robert Kennedy happen. I'm not implying that it should, but I could sure see a grieving soldier's family member snapping one of these days. Idiots like LIEberman should actually think before they keep flapping. Americans currently are not the sleeping idiots that they think. Attention is being paid to their idiocy.
tyree @ 17:
...and bashing Arabs is technically anti-semetic because Arabs are Semites as well... but those folks will never figure that out.
justabill @ 42:
BRILLIANT! :-D
"The neocon rats are all lined up with their xmas lists". The Neocons are predominantly Jewish; why don't they move to Isreal as they obviously have no loyalty to American values.
gus smith @ 57:
they are supplying a need, the little kiddies who still believe in santa must be fed thier yearly dose of made in china shit, lead and all meanwhils thay pocket a shitload of money off the christian drooling fairy tales believers , now thats interprise!
oh and peace on earth goodwill to man!
How long before we see Bush's Operation Company State:
1) remove all means of US troops returning from Middle East.
2) implement a US repatriation scheme whereby the troops can earn performance points toward getting back home.
3) don't actually set a total number of points needed to get back home thus allowing maximum flexibility.
4) deduct points to cover costs for bullets, equipment, supplies and housing.
5) praise the selflessness and sacrifice of the troops.
war is an aphrodisiac to these connies. Their war pr0n addiction keeps edging our military and treasury closer to the cliff
You know, I wrote a comment on this whole situation a few months back on one of the blogs and people were so offended by my comments that they yanked it, but I'll try again. I have gotten to the point where I barely even care anymore. If these spineless chickenhawks want to play army with the lives of US soldiers, let them go ahead. If they and the president and the rest of the Congress don't care about the members of the US military, then why the fuck should I care? We are bogged down in a disaster in Iraq and these stupid mother-fuckers honestly believe that attacking Iran will solve all of our problems. Yes, it'll be a walk in the park, just like when we overthrew Saddam and restored democracy to the middle east! Yes, the shining beacon of American justice and freedom will triumph over the dirty brown people - the dirty brown people of Iran who, by the way, were willing to sacrifice nearly a million people in their fight against Iraq in the early 1980's. Of course, our country would be perfectly happy to sacrifice that many troops, wouldn't we? The people of Iran, of whom nearly 75% are under the age of 25, and will unite in their absolute hatred of this country after an attack on their country. Yes, let's risk human lives and our Constitution on once more a phony war.
This is the trouble with the neocons and people like Lieberman and Kyl and Bush and Cheney and the rest of them: they forget about the past and don't think about the future. Do they honestly believe that Iran hasn't thought about this - Iran, one of the most advanced and ancient cultures of the middle east, who the neocons seem to think are naked and living in caves? So I'll take a stab at what I think will probably happen if an attack on Iran should occur, and I only make these predictions according to what I would do if I were the government of Iran. First, I would attack every oil field in the middle east, because with the US bogged down in Iraq there is very little they could do to stop me. Then, I would send every missile I have on hand to every metropolitan area in Israel, since every Palestinian and Arab living in Israel would be happy to ally themselves with Iran during and after the attack. And lastly I would send every soldier I have on hand to Iraq to join with the Shia brethren there to attack all the American forces stationed there. If all of this seems like a deranged fantasy by me, please ask yourself a question: would this country react anty differently if WE were attacked?
I hope that no one thinks that I am anti-semetic or anti-Israel because of this post. I just do not believe that we should put the security of one nation above our own; I believe when a person does this it is usually called treason. But what do I know? I am only a patriotic American who doesn't want to see our soldiers put through a meat grinder and slaughtered like so many Thanksgiving turkeys. But I guess the will of the American people doesn't mean much anymore.
Failure on two fronts equals failure...but failure on three fronts equals success?
tyree @ 59:
That's not a very Christian message anymore...you should watch yourself...just think what Jesus would say!
One more thing - can anyone point to any actual diplomatic efforts between the USA and Iran?
Have you ever heard anyone in the government (of either party), or in the media mention talks or discussions or letters or poetry slams or "yo mama so fat" contests on the diplomatic, or any other level?
Has the state department even bothered to go to Hallmark and pick out a "Let's talk before we start WWIII" card?
The United States, not Iran, invaded Iraq in 2003. I find it insulting for the United States to "blame Iran" for what America has done to kill, rape, and pillage both the people and land of Iraq. It was the United States who boasted of "shock and awe," and that it would be a "cakewalk." The United States led by the Neocons and former Reaganites have had Iran in their sights for years now. America is still angry that Iran booted them out in 1979, all while forgetting Iran hated America not for freedom's sake, but for the overthrow of the Democratically-elected regime of Mohammad Mossadegh in 1953 after he announced the nationalization of the oil supply. Other nations have long memories of the covert actions done by the United States government. The United States is using blackmail and coercion with the backdrop of threats emanating from the use of America's own nuclear weapons. This is criminal as defined by the Nuremberg Trials. Lieberman and others in threateninh Iran with the use of force are doing what Hitler did.
Its the United States government which is directly responsible 100% for everything bad in Iraq to this point and not "Iran." Iran and Iraq do share the fact they both are dominated by Shia's. Unless the USA wants to kill every last Shi'ite, this will likely remain the case for years to come.
The leaders of America are INSANE as were the heads of state in Nazi Germany. This is true of Lieberman, Graham, Kyl, McCain, and ohers.
When all else fails as in the Iraq War, the leaders of America who have no morals or brains to match, look for others to blame. This is typical of any batterer and torturer and America fits this syndrome of being unable to look itself in the mirror and see the direct damage its caused other lands and peoples.
Bush the Liar @ 1:
I cry...
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Sharkbabe @ 30:
I'd like to put your comment together with JJohnson's at 10 which said, "If we go to war with Iran, we are toast. . . it'd be the end of America as a super power in any sense of the word". I hate to say it, but maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing. We are a super power in only one sense, and that is in terms of militarism and arms production. In other senses of the word we are behind the rest of the so-called first world in terms of education, labor, health care, civil rights, and standard of living. I don't want to be a citizen of a country whose only claim to fame is visiting endless war and destruction upon other nations. Yes, as JJohnson says, there will be a hell of a price to pay, but in the end if it makes us a more civilized nation, maybe it would be worth the cost.
Lieberman and Kyl can be our front line guard troops. We'll send them in to Iran to test the waters.
timmy_d11 @ 44:
Um, 25% of Dems in Conn. voted for Holy Joe. Partly because of the idiotic Dem congresscritters who supported him instead of Lamont.
Greay as long as they are in the first air drop.
No parachutes.
The Democrats in Congress are a bunch of craven hacks. They'll line up to sign off on this God damned amendment before they ritually kiss Dick Cheney's evil ass.
Otay @ 71:
Yes, those few Democrats, coupled with Republicans and independents pushed Lieberman over Lamont and the Republican candidate.
Had Republicans voted for their candidate Lamont would have won, but knowing they had no chance in hell they fought to keep Lieberman instead of having Lamont.
That's why the Kucinich's Paul's and Nader's of the world ironically make things worse if they stay in the race during the general elections - they take just enough votes away from the people that would otherwise vote Democrat and push the asshole candidate over the top.
BTW, Miz Linthee Gwayham is part of the mix too. There are probably more. I'd like to see who they are, but I don't have long to wait.
JR @ 4:
They saw the promise of on-going tax cuts. The war doesn't matter to them at all, since it doesn't affect their personal wealth.
RLC @ 41:
Thus far the dems have not earned the proper respect from the american people. On issue after issue Bush, lieberman and the Bush Dogs end up laughing all the way to the bank. Whether it is habeas corpus, torture, FISA, Iran resolutions...you name it and sellout Pelosi and spinless reid have shown themselves to be powerless. How the fck did the resolution to condenm a newspaper ad even makes it to the floor of the senate?
When your only tool is a hammer,
your imagination atrophies.
What we can't seem to do anymore is DIPLOMACY! Really tough DIPLOMACY!
We've got no juice to try to negotiate hard with the Iranians, because we ruined our bluff ability with the Iraq invasion. They know we've got nuthin.
How can you decalre another's military forces as a terrorist org? Unless you want ot put the CIA in that catagory..
Wait... Actually ,we do put the CIA in that catagory. They commit more terrorism than any group on the planet. Hell they even tried to invade CUBA BY THEMSELVES.
This is the danger of the Nazi-CIA that we have ever since the Nazi Sympathizer Dullas set it up with Army Intelligence officer and Nazi-Bank owner Prescott Bush.
So put hte fingers at your own house Americans. Stop making Wars "in others houses" or we will start making them "in your house".
AnthonyMason2k5 @ 77:
I have no idea but it makes your country look like a bunch of fucking nitwits.
Where's the photo of Fightin' Joe Lieberman strolling thru the lovely streets of Baghdad? He looked like Tooter Turtle in his little helmet and flak jacket. I'll support an invasion of Iran if Fightin' Joe personally leads the attack.
Kyl and Lieberman = testosterone and religion
naschkatze @ 69:
There are people who are understanding where this is going. The US is using the Nazi Playbook and is using it's corporations as "secret totalitatian units" to preform tasks the military "can't know".
The US has been using corporations as cover even before Zaputa Offshore Oil (The Front company GHWB/Dullas and friends used to invade Cuba)
We know the us is going Police State, and will start rounding up it's "undesirable citizenry" soon enough and the world knows that people like Frace's shithead prez is just pulling a Neville Chaimberlain saying "This piece of paper says that Germany doesn't plan on attacking anyone."
All the while the country is filled with thousands and thousands of Winston Churchills warning you that "The Neo-Cons is using False Flag operations to terrorize it's citzernry into submission while they take the country complete over."
Read GNN, Maybe you guys are not wondering where that missing Nuke when from Barksdale AFB... Maybe you are not wondering why ALL 6 LOADERS FROM BARKSDALE HAVE BEEN FOUND DEAD. We are certainly wondering.
We don't miss a missing nuclear weapon, likely to be used on your citizens in one of your cities.
Please wake up, this is life and death.
No More 'Wars' For the Zionist Regime in Occupied Palestine and the U.S. Congress.
Note to Joe Lieberman: Go fuck yourself
you know id allmost swear thier was a conspracy going on in our government , they allow tmillions of ileagle imigrants to stay in our country, new york lets them have drivers liscence , other citys give them safe haven, they take our jobs, they let thousands of people from other countrys come in take our jobs ,they teach companys how to get around keeping americans from getting these jobs, paid for by this government, they sell off our higways make toll roads out of them after they were built with tax dollars of americans, they send our manufactureing jobs and factorys to china and india, theytrade our nucluar secrets for fucking mangoes ,they allow mossad agents to infiltrate our pentagon , they plan to get rid of our independence by building a road from mexico to canada and combine all three countrys so that thiers no america left, they bastardise our congress and senate with phony demopublicans , they create wars for fun and profit, they steal elections with phony machines that are fixed , jesus christ i havent even scratched the surface of the treachery of this government ,if this really were america, thier would be a revolution the likes of wich weve never seen here , but not to worry folks thiers another election in 08 that will solve nothing cause its just more of the same ,
I wonder if our Government will be at war with Iran before or after the WarPigs Cheney and Bush are gone? If they ever go. They might decide to cause Martial Law to be declared before their terms are up and stick around a few more years and make use of the tidy little Imperial Presidency they have built over the last eight years. Thanx Neil@82 for the clue in about GNN, interesting page. Dominic@62 and Mr. XXXX@66....well said.
Au Contraire Mon Frere @ 14Says:
“Heard a report yesterday on NPR about conscientious objectors in Israel. Their society is splitting along the generation line.”
Most people don't understand what being a conscientious objector really means, so having been one, I thought maybe I could clear that up a bit. It doesn't mean that you don't go into combat, it just means that you aren't required to shoot anyone. The conscientious objection is about the act of killing another human being, not about not wanting to risk your own life.
I joined the Navy just before the Vietnam War so the recruiter had to research the meaning of conscientious objector. Most conscientious objectors choose a specialty like corpsman (medic). If you are assigned to a Marine unit as a corpsman, then you go into battle with a medical bag but no gun. Then Corpsmen were prohibited from carrying a gun by the Geneva Convention of 1887. Now Corpsmen can carry guns, but a conscientious objector would not be required to do so.
If you research the Congressional Medals of Honor for WWII and Vietnam you'll find a lot of Navy Corpsmen and Army Medics on the list. Silver and Bronze Stars are common as well. I hope that clears things up a bit.
The existence of such a murderous position should be seen as unacceptable and deviant. Sadly, it is closer to mainstream. We are doomed.
I would like to know that why in this post cold war era are we still as a nation so strident in our support for Israel, and it's not just the braind dead christian sub human animals who are responsible for this, but many of you liberals are also too Pro-Israel. Where our are nation's priorities? Are we supporting them because we have a strategic interest in the region or are we supporting them through political blackmail and corruption?
If we look at the reasons why we historically supported Israel, the most obvious one being to undermine Jewish support for the soviet union, then you'll see that those reasons are now obsolete. What we have now is a great destabilizer within the most volatile region in the world and by lending our unconditional, and highly biased support in favor of Israel, a first world nation which recieves more foreign aid from the USA than any third world nation we extend a conflict which dates back to biblical times to our shores.
Our media has convinced most Americans that the nations surrounding Israel will be hostile regardless of our foreign policies because Islam is an imperialistic force which seeks global domination and the destruction of democracy. However, if this is the case then how come secular nations that have democracies older than our own such as Switzerland and Iceland all have been spared?
Afterall, Europe is closer to the middle east so if nations like Iran, Syria and others wanted to start a global holy war then how come they didn't choose Europe first?
Israel's relationship with the USA is not mutually beneficit, it is parasitic. And it's time we tell these bums to move out of the house and start cleaning up their own shit.
Senators Lieberman and Kyl and israel can go fight their own wars on their own. israel should stop it's terrorists activities. lieberman is not working for the best interest of the United States, but for his first love, israel.
Neil at 82, I don't want to make a long quote of our interchange, but I think you're preaching to the choir here. Unfortunately, most of us, although we're trying to fight back in any way we can, feel that there is nothing we can do in the end. Someone in the thread somewhere brought out the price the Germans had to pay for Hitler and the Nazis, and maybe it's something we will have to go through, and future generations will benefit from it, not us. BTW, I'm probably going to slap my forehead because I'm missing something very obvious, but you recommended reading GNN. Who or what is GNN?
It's time for Jews in the USA to decide whether they're Americans or Israelis. We can't have such a powerful group of people actively working to undermine the interests of the USA claim to be patriotic Americans. They either need to condemn Israel for it's illegal occupation of foreign land, it's abomination of human rights and the instability it has brought to the middle east or renounce their US citizenship and move to Israel.
dadams @ 91:
funny i said the same thing on here and the lame brained monitor said i was anti semetic! last week!
Jerry@86 said: They might decide to cause Martial Law to be declared before their terms are up.
That's one of the few bright spots -if you can call it that- of the whole scenario. Bush and Cheney and the Rethugs have done such a wonderful job of destroying the military and the National Guard that I don't think they could declare marshall law. Could you imagine a National Guard unit trying to control an anti-Bush revolt in Manhattan? Or Chicago? Or D.C? Actually, I think very few guard units would fire on their own people, and with the number of guns and ammo readily available in this country, mainly due to the Rethugs themselves, in their shameless worship of the NRA, I think the resistance to marshall law would be armed very rapidly. Funny, a left winger can learn to use a gun just as well as a right winger. So, to quote a famous American moron, "Bring it on!".
It's NOT about nukes
UN Votes to Urge a Nuke-Free Mideast, Israel and West Condemn Action
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL2018267420070920
I Hate* the current AZ senators.
* hate is such a strong word and I hesitate to use it. But these are my senators and I cringe at their policies.
Bush the Liar @ 1:
They had encouragement:
"Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect...I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf."
- Barack Obama - March 2006
I'm confused. I went to the Senate's website and could only find this listing for this resolution. Sen. Kyl's office sent out the press release on this amendment back in July. http://kyl.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=278696
Lieberman is evil.
America is being led by the hand into darkness.
Lieberman and Kyl are traitors.
You can rest asssured we will be attacked by other nations right here at home, Our War president wants the US to lose or why havn't we protected our borders. Is it the plan of the CFR to actually pay the mexican truckers money to bring an occupying army into the USA. Why is it ammo is in short supply? Mr Bush's base will all but leave the US if we are attacked just like the rich jews who sold out thier brethen in WW11.
You know, it's easy to criticize Connecticut from outside.
I'm a Connecticut voter, usually vote whatever happens to be non-Republican, since I'm not really rich, and I voted for Lamont. (I've met Joe Lieberman, and the guy seemed to be full of his own crap.)
Apparently he brought a lot of money into Connecticut back in the day when Electric Boat was big here, and a lot of people remember that... and it's really difficult to get some of the old timers in this state to look at the bigger picture, and realize that Lieberman isn't that good for Connecticut voters.
you freaks have no Idea what you are talking about do you understand that those people will line you to GWB and you will both dig your own holes . Then they would stone you to death. No matter what you send. Unless you are ONE of THEM you will be killed.
For the ones that believe that we SET IT UP. Then why did we just plant WMDs for our guys to find. Oops what is this a Nuke told you.
STUPID it is a shame the boys across the ocean see this crap. Not a true PATRIOT among you.
Different Anonymous @ 51:
WHAT That is not the same you moron. Mexico does not have a ruler that kills it's own people. Think about that. Iraq's care more about there faith's then there freedom to practice it.
Why don't you fools go to Iran and Iraq and express your love and compassion for their "struggle" I will BUY the plane ticket couch of course.
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