GOP sees business vote slipping away
For the last several decades, as nearly all political observers know, the two broad coalitions that make up the Republican Party are business interests (tax cuts, minimal regulation, free trade) and social/religious conservatives (anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-church-state separation, pro-gun). The two didn’t necessarily have much in common, but they were under the same GOP tent, and they tried not to step on each other’s toes.
A front-page WSJ piece explained that half of that coalition is dejected and looking elsewhere.
The Republican Party, known since the late 19th century as the party of business, is losing its lock on that title.
New evidence suggests a potentially historic shift in the Republican Party’s identity — what strategists call its “brand.” The votes of many disgruntled fiscal conservatives and other lapsed Republicans are now up for grabs, which could alter U.S. politics in the 2008 elections and beyond.
Some business leaders are drifting away from the party because of the war in Iraq, the growing federal debt and a conservative social agenda they don’t share. In manufacturing sectors such as the auto industry, some Republicans want direct government help with soaring health-care costs, which Republicans in Washington have been reluctant to provide. And some business people want more government action on global warming, arguing that a bolder plan is not only inevitable, but could spur new industries.
It couldn’t have happened to a more appropriate group of people.
Good for them!
HAhahaha with the wingnut jeebus freaks talking about running their own candidate, it look the AIPAC, PNAC & the likudites will be the only GOP'rs left.
well they totally ran the country for two terms and look what they did to it.. :(
Not to mention the Republican fruit growers and vineyard owners in the upper half of California who have seen their harvests, and profits, rot because the immigration issue hasn't been solved.
I'll believe it when I see it. The GOP is relying on the business class to "come home" when faced with the prospect of a progressive President.
democrats best government buisness can rent
I saw John Dean at Stacy's yesterday, and he mentioned this article. He went on at some length on all the reasons rational Republicans/conservatives should/would be leaving the party. That was what he was there to talk about, and his argument was serendipitously supported by the WSJ article. I doubt any of the business leaders have quite the animus for the Bush=Cheney administration that Dean seems to have, but it is nice to see them giving the thumbs down to Rove's permanent majority. One of the reasons Dean cited, I didn't read the article, was that a lot of business people are disgusted with the gross incompetence in general. In the 'real world', the only way those clowns would hold on to their jobs would be nepotism.
This is backlash from Delay,Blunt,and Boehner shaking them down for the GOP and also money laundering funds through phony charities.
Pardon me, but this seems just a little too shallow, here. The 'marriage of convenience' that has existed between the Money Boyz and the Christofascists has always had a Machiavellian aspect to it; think of Machiavelli's 'auxiliaries' and you'll have a good idea of what the MB's actually think of their Holy Roller political shock troops. A viewpoint which the more virulent Dobson wing of the Rep Party has known about - and chafed under - for years...and now said wing is making it's long suppressed grumblings public. The Money Boyz are seeking a divorce from this 'marriage' to their crazy spouse, and are looking for more suckers.
The Money Boyz are looking for a new parasite to suck dry, and is no doubt eyeballing the Dem Party as a potential host. And I am sure many DNC/DLC (aka "Vichy") Dems would be happy to accommodate them...while the country continues to trundle down the Road to Perdition in a hand-basket, courtesy of the policies the Money Boyz favored while enjoying 'conjugal relations' with those they secretly held in contempt.
Let's see: the GOP is losing the business vote because of its fiscal irresponsibility; losing the fundamentalist vote because of Giuliani's abortion stand; losing the centrist vote because of its ineptitude in war and in disaster (Katrina) and in its overall quality of members (DeLay, etc).
Who is left to vote for the GOP in 2008?
Sorry, I meant said MB's are the parasites; they're seeking new hosts.
Huh. If this is true, then maybe I won't have to be so anti-business.
Figure it's just more smokescreen. The GOP is unpopular right now, so Big Business (BB® is presenting themselves as "searching elsewhere" because it's... well, it's bad business to be associated with anything as hugely unpopular as the GOP. Rest assured, behind closed doors, BB is sucking the dick of the GOP as passionately and urgently as ever.
Watch out folks! Hillary is going to try to attract these people into the new new BIG TENT of the Democratic Party. Who cares if she has to kick a few poor people out to make room? Hey, the Republicans made billions off NAFTA so Hill/Bill have their toes in the door.
I believe the dems will find a way to lose anyway.
Let's face it, there is not one leader among the dems.
Not one who will stand up to the Republicans and lead the charge against this fascist regime.
Even with the majority of Americans behind him or her, not one will stand.
I am very pessimistic about the future of this country.
Nemo
...trundle down the Road to Perdition in a hand-basket....heehee great stuff!
You are currect about the "Vichy" Dems. They come to us from the 1st generation of dems that opened the flood gates
with their first "campaign finance reforms" of the '70s.
It all breaks down to Predator vs Prey principle, if you are not the Predator you are the Prey.
I am surprised that no one is alarmed at this development-Bush and Cheney don't care about the Republican Party because they know that soon it will be irrelevant-they have been moving our laws toward a Fascist State ever since they took office-they are going to allow another much more catastrophic attack and declare Martial Law-there probably won't even be an election-their private army(Blackwater)is larger than the US arrmy-they have been preparing detention camps and eliminated laws that would make it illegal-they have enlisted the help of religious ministers to quell dissension and have been spying on us to identify those most likely to resist-passports are now required to leave, even to Canada, and most people don't have a passport-all of these actions show that a coup is near, and Congress has been enabling it for quite a while.
Business leaders started to get pissed at Bush a few years ago, because Bush's anti-terrorist policies actually made it slightly more difficult to
launder money and avoid taxes in offshore schemesmove money across national borders. Dunno if this hatred toward Bush was ever extended to the GOP as a whole, though.OT, but Iran's army is now labeled as a terrorist group?!
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IJ04Ak03.html
Give me a break! A sovereign country's armed forces are the same as al Qaeda just because Chimp & Co. says so? These morons are setting us up for an invasion of Iran and once again the press and Congress is silent. We are more concerned with who gets custody of Britney's kids.
As a dejected Dem, I know how they feel.
Abandon party loyalty.
Gort @ 18:
Well, Iran's parliament voted to declare the US Army and CIA as terrorist organizations this past weekend. So I guess this is a response to Iran, which was probably a response to the Lieberman/Kyl amendment.
I take that back, it's not Iran's army, just their Revolutionary Guard, an elite group. Kind of like saying our Navy Seals or Green Berets are a terrorist group. Ridiculous!
Zog The Obvious @ 12:
well said!
9 and 13, I think you're mostly right. However, the "business" vote has always been presented as monolithic, when in fact it's composed of mostly short-sighted, shallow idiots and a small, but solid minority of somewhat intelligent and reasonable people. Even if you don't give a f*ck about the country as a whole, you might see that turning the U.S. into a 3rd world country (which is basically the process that has been accelerating for the last 6 years) means you have no consumers to buy all your goods and services. 90% of what's sold in the US has always been marketed to the middle class, and if there's no middle class, the shit's going to hit the fan for business. You can cut down on your employees' salaries and benefits and take a bigger piece of the pie, but there is a tangible limit to how much of that you can do. My guess is that business (and the oil business will, too, eventually) is starting to feel the pain they've caused themselves by gutting the middle class, and just like everyone else, they're turning to the "mommy" party to fix it. Of course, Hillary will sell out the Democratic party--it's already been sold out, she'll just be more blatant about it. But in the long run, a healthy economy and a country with people who have spending money is in the best interests of business.
Realbluesky @ 14:
kucinich 08
Blue Buddha @ 20:
I still say Chimpo is itching for an excuse to start shit with Iran before his term is up.
It's about time the republicans wised up!!
I hear the God Squad isn't too happy with the top GOP presidential candidates. What a shame. Looks like the Big Tent is also going to be pretty roomy.
Radically Moderate @ 15:
A principle that has sadly been forgotten; the formation of unions way back when was a direct challenge to that principle, and which is why the Money Boyz have been backing all manner of so-called 'right-to-work' legislation for so long. But it seems every generation has to remember the old motto of 'Semper Vigilans' (Always vigilant) against the kinds of inroads the plutocrats - whose only loyalties are to their portfolios, not parties - try to make into political life. The past 20-30 years have been perfect examples of how they do it...and the last 7 years show what happens when they succeed.
The Money Boy rats are seeking to jump ship from the S.S. Rethuglican in hopes of finding a berth on a rescuing vessel; anyone who picks them up can expect to catch all manner of nasty political diseases from them. A word to the wise...
Since Dubya's reign I've frequently heard jack-booted GOP'ers crow about the Democratic party going the way of the Whig party. It's not that I'm a die-hard Democrat any longer, but I do recognize the deletrious effect the conservative Republican platform has and will coninue to have on the country.
Funny how they're predictions about the Democrats is actually coming true for them... oh' the irony!
Zog The Obvious @ 12:
If only my wife.......never mind.
This group are Spiritual Idiots, and they are about to learn "What goes around, comes around", and "You reap what You sow".
I live in a very right-wing suburb of San Diego. Nice people but they get their news from Fox and the San Diego Union Tribune, so they have been propagandized to believing that the world is flat.
Many of them, long-time Republicans, have quit the party because they are sick of Bush, the deficit, the war, and the toilet-stall crowd.
Regardless, both parties are terrible. We really need a third political party in this country. Democrats have failed us. The Greens are not doing it either.
What we need is a good Socialist-Democratic party!
tyree @ 24:
tyree @ 24:
Tyree,
I wish. I like Dennis, but sad to say, he's really not a leader. When I'm talking about a leader, I'm talking about someone who will stand up and inspire others to follow. Someone who will say "Let's impeach the bastards!" and others will charge. Dennis says all the right things, but he's just not inspiring. I'm not sure what that quality is in a person, but Dennis doesn't have it. I wish he did.
solid @ 30:
Hey, since we are mixing metaphors this a.m. how about "the sun ALSO rises". ;-)
they are only covering all the bases , if the dems win in 08 thier thievery will continue and they will give all thier bribery money to buy the dems , if the repigs win thru stolen elections it will be buisness as usuall! funny how well that works out for them!we need more naftas more caftas more bullshit government
the sentence
"some Republicans want direct government help with soaring health-care costs, which Republicans in Washington have been reluctant to provide"
should read
"some Republicans want direct government help with soaring health-care costs, which Republicans in Washington will never provide because they believe doing anything altruistic will turn them into homosexual communist hippies"
Realbluesky @ 33:
no ones inspireing untill they are given a chance to lead,
This explains why Rudy's trying to keep businesses in the Republican camp with his bold plan to cut taxes, and balance that in the books with tax cuts.
GMB @ 7:
Indeed, the only reason many of them got the job in the first place! Colin Powell's son, Cheney's daughters to name a few...
Really, what have the Republicans done for the past almost 7 years that has been a benefit to our society?
Is there anything? I'd sure like to know.
scott @ 40:
No, not one thing. You can stop looking.
this just in from cnn polands one coliltion of the willing wounded in iraq!
tyree @ 37:
While I don't wish to be argumentative, I respectfully disagree with you. Leaders don't wait for someone else to give them opportunity. Leaders take charge. I don't mean to sound disparaging to Dennis K because I really like him. There are no dems that have that leadership ability, absolutely none. I had hope that Obama would be the one, but sadly, he fell flat. (and spoke out against impeachment, that's when he lost me.)
Huey Long had it. JFK had it. FDR had it. There are no real dem leaders out there that I've seen.
Realbluesky @ 43:
apparently you have never been in combat and watched a second lt take over when his first sgt was killed or wounded , sometimes the least expected leadership comes out of nessitivity
if you believe that americans vote with their pocket book, there is a very telling graph on that WSJ page showing that the 2004 election was stolen.
and that these GOP freakers are in the minority.
tyree @ 44:
Actually, my friend, I am a Vietnam veteran (1971-1972). You must remember that in the military, a second cannot take over until the first is removed. The second may be the most inspiring of all, but is prohibited by military law from taking charge. That would be mutiny.
That is not the same thing at all as the political arena.
The test is not that a person is saying the right thing, but are people following him (or her).
Are people really following Hillary because she is inspiring or because she is what they consider the lesser of several evils? That's a big difference.
It's about time the business community woke up. The Bush junta added 3 trillion to the debt
If you run a business in this country and you don't support single-payer health care, you are a moron. Our private, optional and expensive health care system is one of the primary reasons we have lost our competitive edge and is a leading contributor to the outsourcing of jobs. My company has had its health insurance company raise rates by 250% because one of your employees had a liver transplant and a few others also had serious issues. We employ 300 Americans in a manufacturing business and health care costs are killing us.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... unless you get sick and have no insurance. What kind of savage nation are we becoming?
Realbluesky @ 46:
actually my friend im a korean war vet and know the first lt is the platoon leader , that does not mean thiers allways a first lt in charge say if he was killed or wounded but its only hipothetical in any event kucinich 08
scott @ 40:
Altruism is anathema to the true believers. Money spent on anything that doesn't kill people is money wasted.
umlimited graft and the destruction of the customer base doesn’t help business. the new tomDelay repugs are destroying the infrastructure we all rely on and they are killing the american economy. the world is gradually detaching itself from the american economic paradigm because they see it is dependent on ignorance, destruction and greed.
[-]There are too many different energy sources to be dependent on oil to the point of waging endless war.
[-]dependence on DISASTER CAPITALISM IS A SURE WAY TO WORLD WAR THREE!
[-]The NEW EMPIRE is so DEBT RIDDEN that countries are afraid to call the US debt for fear that the world economy could collapse. 45+ countries own a piece of the US debt.
[-]Worst of all, the government is at war with the American people, including those who serve in those foreign lands, killing people for the booscheneyrumsfeldpowellricenegropontefeithian lies.
Realbluesky @ 43:
So who IS your choice?
I think Kucinich has the entire Corporate Media worried. How else do you explain that people called on the phone to choose their candidate for a poll are told Kucinich is not on the list? Anybody who can shake these people like that is worth voting for. I agree with him 100% so to me it is a done deal. He gets my vote.
Let's not play politics with the Presidential election. Let's vote for the person we most agree with. The others don't even come close.
Joementum @ 50:
Yep, we kill so much, we have to import bullets from five countries.
xoites defends Constitution @ 53:
Fucking Ay!
Business leaders doesn't need the Republicans. They have the Democrats.
BaScOmBe @ 55:
its kind of like were getting murdered here on the beach so dam it lets get inland and get murdered , lets elect dennis if we have to get murdered lets go with a democrat not a repigdemo
BaScOmBe @ 55:
Problem is, most of us don't get to vote in a primary election and are stuck with whoever makes it out. Kerry certainly wouldn't have been my choice last time around, but, what could I do?
And some business people want more government action on global warming, arguing that a bolder plan is not only inevitable, but could spur new industries.
But because of bush and the Congressional Republicans we're two steps behind on those industy oportunities.
Fanon @ 58:
I am going to register as a Democrat for this reason alone. May i suggest you do the same?
xoites defends Constitution @ 60:
I am registered, that doesn't mean I get to vote in a primary. Or am I missing something?
Fanon @ 61:
If your state has a primary election you do. Is there a state without a primary election?
Now that the Democrats are the new Real Right, the choice for business is obvious. But there's no one out there for the rest of us.
Realbluesky @ 46:
People are following Hillary because she is being marketed and sold to them just like any other commodity and that's what they are used to doing - buying what they're told to.
Fanon @ 58:
Hillary makes me wish I could vote for Kerry again.
Now wouldn't be a kick if the GOP split and came up with their own "third party candidate"? Sounds like it may occur.
Joementum @ 65:
That is a lot like saying, "Now that i have cancer i wish i could opt for an amputation instead."
what your seeing in burma is your future ,rat bastards clubbing unarmed men, hillerys creaming in her jeans when she sees that , want more repressive government ? she and obama and the rest except for kucinich will get you there!
xoites defends Constitution @ 62:
OMG, I think I am an idiot. Must go make more coffee, now....
Fanon @ 69:
Wake up and smell the primaries! :)
Terrible @ 64:
Exactly my point. She is not leading because of her leadership ability, but because of "other" reasons, whether it's marketing or being the "lesser of two evils" so to speak.
Hillary is not like her husband. No matter what you think of him, I think most people would admit that he does have leadership charisma. When he talks, people listen and he can move an audience to action. I don't see that in Hillary or in any other democrat out there. Especially not in the Senate or House. I have never seen such timidity and cowardice. I cringe when I see Pelosi and Reed speak on tv. They are an embarrassment.
xoites defends Constitution @ 60:
I HAVE registered Democratic and will vote against any Democratic incumbent in the primary. I am still trying to find out about the DNC 50-state initiative in NJ. I'm afraid that Dean may have been coopted by the DLC/DSCC/DCCC after DNC candidates beat DLC candidates 8-1 in the last election, prompting Carville's bullshit attack.
tyree @ 68:
I remember a 2nd Amendment to the Constitution for just such a possibility.
xoites defends Constitution @ 67:
Sadly, yes.
Or lobotomy vs. decapitation.
BaScOmBe @ 73:
You mean that piece of paper? Ha!
Terrible @ 59:
Yep... and the reason why China's doing it is not because of concerns over pollution (think about it: these are the same guys who put lead paint on kid's toys... they could give a shit less about the environment) but because they know that petroleum energy is drying up quickly, especially the more their industry grows. They're seeking renewable energy because it's the only thing that's going to be available in the coming decades. Americans are still clueless on this fact and think that the only reason for switching away from petrol fuels is for the environment.
Funny. What I get out of this article is Wall Street seeing it as inevitable that the Dems will win, and therefore trying to get the Dems on board with the corporate and K Street agenda.
BaScOmBe @ 73:
yes im well aware of that, i was involved in an arguement with a repig on another blog and he was supposed to be involved with homeland security , he said after listening to me he was glad thier was the second ammendment , i told him it was the first thing we agreed on, i said the moment i learned your preznut was haveing haliburton buils prison camps for americans i went right out and bought an assualt rifel then went into my drawer pulled out my colt 1911 service pistol i packed in the korean war cleaned it and bought fresh ammo , he shut up after that ,i told him you or no repigs going to roll over my ass!!!!!!!!!!
Voters and political parties are going through a transition. It will get uglier before it improves. No better time to slip in a third party.
You have to be clear on what they mean by business. For one thing, the businesses they are talking about are the corporations, not the 75% of businesses in America, classed as small business. Of the two the only one that has any power over the parties are the corporations. Although the majority of the national income comes from small business, they have almost no voice at all.
Therefore, when you hear of the dissatisfaction of business you are only hearing about 25% of what makes up business in America. The fact is that most small business owners and their management are Republicans and will support the party no matter what. The issue isn’t so much smoke and mirrors as it is the use of group ignorance about the structure of what we call business.
Stanford Matthews @ 79:
"We here at The Third Party have only one objective; to come in third."
Republicans have been made up of "two" broad coalitions? What about the warmongers and bigots and people with bad hair?
Well why not? The WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and he backs Hillary. It's a very convenient articles, with convenient 'facts,' I'm sure.
What'd the NY Post have to say about it?
c. atrox @ 82:
That's three. But they're good divisions. Along natural lines, ya know.
Thomas Stone @ 32:
Agreed. But we need to absolutely, completely and irrevocably shut down the fucking neocon wingnuts before they bankrupt the country, or start WWIII. This means throwing in with the moderates and the SANE part of the right wing. Only through a sufficient Democratic majority will we realistically see the potential to repair the damage and obtain justice for the crimes of the last going on 7 years.
V V
Realbluesky @ 46:
The people are following Hillary because the Mainstream Media wants them to.
Business is about results and the bottom line. It was only a matter of time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp6Zx_fzpq8
c. atrox @ 82:
Republicans are into broads? And here I thought it was young boys only.
Big deal. Business is only going to go where the power and influence is, it just makes sense. It's not that the Dems are any better or worse than they used to be, but corporations will invest in whatever returns a dividend and this time around they know it'll be in the 'other' party.
Could it be that Whorporate America is growing a conscience?
patthemonkey @ 80:
My late father, a life-long Union man, called these people, "Roadmaster Republicans." As soon as they made enough money to move up from their 2/1 GI-Mortgaged box to the split-level in the 'burbs and buy a Buick Roadmaster, they ran, headlong, into the arms of the GOP, all the better to ape the behavior of the, "big businessmen."
Even if their bankers and the mullahs of Wall Street held them in thinly-veiled contempt for their nouveau riche status.
"We ain't what we oughta be, we ain't what we gonna be, but thank God we ain't what we WUZ!," would seen to be their mantra, having left the production floor, the union hall and their work shoes behind for the fairway, the Club Sandwich and single malt Scotch.
Well, Surprise!
While the Roadmaster Republicans were at the Lions (or whatever) basking in the glow of being Self-Made American Successes, the Big Boys were shoving it just as far up THEIR butts as they did the wage slaves.
Silly Roadmaster Republicans! You thought that having some money made you somebody, when the REAL somebodies with the REAL money have always held you in the same contempt as they did the carpenter, truck driver and house painter.
In other words, "Stupid Shmuck."
Now, go forth and spread the Good News about The Laffer Curve and Trickle-Down while the REAL Republicans (their grandparents played croquet at Newport with Shrubbie's grandparents) card and spin up some New Wool to pull over your eyes...like talking about a DEATH TAX!
Wouldn't want the gummint to tax your heirs any when they inherit your three-truck plumbing business or muffler shop, would we? Let's make sure we eliminate that DEATH TAX so that your heirs can Gambol With The Stars, like Paris Hilton, upon your demise, because they won't have to pony up any Inheritance Tax.
"If God didn't want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep." - Calvera, The Magnificent Seven
I say we give Hillary a chance, not a step up, but a chance.
Afterall one of the most liberal Supreme Court justices in US history was Hugo Black, and back in the 1920's he was a member of the local Ku Klux Klan, because he saw it as a professional necessity in his region. That way he could defend black defendents in court effectively, because he was seen as part of the local system.
By standards today we wouldn't even give him a tumble for the highest court.
If these people are actually thinking the current social/political reality through - and it sounds as if they are - the ones with brains will see the undeniable truth that there are ways to legislate that help our broader society AND BECAUSE OF THIS - business interests as well - such as the specifically mentioned area of global warming.
We NEED to expand innovation in critical sectors - and to continually cut the throat on these golden opportunities does hurt the country.
Another such area where we are fast losing ground is stem cell research. And what about the jobs that could be generated by attacking the remarkably critical and neglected area of our failing infrastructure?
The Bush administration has only ever been about the extra-ordinarily rich and damn the remaining 99.99 percent of the country. (sorry - don't have an actual number)
But the country has always done best when the middle class is thriving - and right now - as Thom Hartmann says - "the middle class is on its deathbead."
This is a genuine reason for business to worry., and they know it.
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yes take these so called regan democrats ,it allways pissed me off wehen theyd say im a reagan democrat, wtfs up with that? these deluded turds made enough money to be able to buy a few stocks and then decided they would have to become repigs because they were now big shits, god i hate stupid pricks like that!
It's not like the Democrats represent business interests either, so I'm not counting on the Dems to cash in on Republican incompetence here. Democrats have always branded themselves as heavily populist and they attract a lot of brainless nutjobs who make it look like there might actually be a slippery slop towards anti-business built right into it. Let's all hold hands in the mud and smoke pot and never buy another thing from the mall ever again, right?
The only thing that I see at play here is business as usual - the good old boys are sliding their chips over to whomever they think is the real winner here.
Realbluesky @ 14:
Really? NOT ONE? How about Kucinich?
McDuff @ 97:
he doesnt have enough rank to be a leader, you have to be a dishonest asshole and told by the corporations your a born leader! kucinich 08 or else!
Toes @ 5:
And that thinking will hurt them. Perhaps they see it now.
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Radically Moderate @ 8:
This is a very good point and I think would undeniably be a factor.
But anyone without a peanut for a brain knows the country thrives when the middle class thrives.
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Realbluesky @ 14:
Wrong. There's Bill Clinton. Many people will see this election as a package deal.
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What does this say except "We're hedging our bets because we don't care what party wins so long as we own them when they do."
Look at that last paragraph. I love the hypocrisy of conservative businessmen. They want fiscal conservativism in government, small governement, but then go running to government when they can't manage their own costs.
Here's your solution, boys. Support a NATIONAL healthprogram that covers EVERYONE...with contributions made by YOU...big business...who will be charged based on employment base and your EBITA. Employees will pick up the deductibles and cost of going outside of network...of course they can't go out of network..cause ALL doctors will be in the network, and also pay a premium to the government through payroll deduction. If they are unemployed, they will get coverage through Medicare or Medicaid.
Oh...and as for controlling costs...then government and big business can duke it out with the doctors to accept a schedule of services and prices.
Sounds like a plan to ME.
MargeAggedon @ 102:
I would like to imagine that the more intelligent in the business sector - which may largely be small business - see that the repiglicans had done real, severe long-term damage to the country and the economy. They need the democrats now.
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Everybody should be drifting from this criminal, hate monguering Rethug. party of bathroom gays, House page perverts and prostitute lovers.
This is truly interesting. If it isn't the business community driving the repugs, then who?
BTW: Everyone see the headlines on Yahoo! that New England and the South are sending representatives to Chattanooga to discuss strategies for seceeding from this criminal government. Guess Americans are drifting...
Trittydi @ 101:
Yes, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are true disappointments.
Liberal AND Proud @ 103:
Yes, I love "W"s comment that he veoted the SCHIPS bill because "I believe in private medicine." Interesting...he has government run health care and so does every person in this government, but I guess their constituents aren't worth covering.
Realbluesky @ 33:
You're talking about the politics of personality. You want charisma over substance, and actually saying someone does or does not inspire is a wholly subjective opinion.
Dennis has the track record (voting record) to prove he's for the people of these united states. When someone who walks the walks, not just talks the talk, stands up... I, for one, am absolutely INSPIRED to follow his or her lead.
Don't you just love irony? While the Republicans and the MSM keep up the drumbeat of how the Democratic Party caters to extremists, the Republican Party has become so extreme and out of touch that it is losing it's original base (and biggest funding source - gonna take a lot of love gifts to make up for that money.)
Isome @ 109:
You're talking about the politics of personality. You want charisma over substance, and actually saying someone does or does not inspire is a wholly subjective opinion.
Dennis has the track record (voting record) to prove he's for the people of these united states. When someone who walks the walks, not just talks the talk, stands up... I, for one, am absolutely INSPIRED to follow his or her lead.
I am happy that you are inspired by Dennis, and I am also. But the kind of leader the dems need must be able to speak to the masses and get a response. Charisma is a part of the kind of leadership the dems need. Not charisma over substance. Dennis has the most substance of all of the candidates, but without some charisma, some personality, or some undefinable quality that makes others rise up to make a difference, then it's all for naught.
Believe me, as far as substance is concerned, my opinion is that Dennis is by far the best candidate.
Everyone needs to start referring to these people as the 'Republic Party'. I am sick of these assholes especially the 'commander-in-chief asshole calling our party the 'Democrat Party'.
Toes @ 5:
You got that right. The fundamentalist kooks were useful pawns for the money-interests. With the prospect of a president that believes in reviving the American dream of prosperity and stability for all, preserving their share of the wealth will be more important than appeasing the funnymentalists. For those that know their history, America damn near had a corporate coup when FDR was elected. Add 60 years of wealth accumulation, more sophisticated rhetoric and a distracted public, and you can imagine what sort of stops will be yanked to maintain the status quo.
lonesomerobot @ 36:
I've never understood the knee-jerk hate Republicans have towards government. Sure, government can be wasteful. And sometimes it's just a pain in the ass. But, it's not all bad. I think of the GI Bill and Eisenhower's Highway System, and I smile.
Government is not perfect. Which is why we have public accountability and auditors.
Corporations are not perfect. Which is why we have regulations.
The fundamentalist Christian GOP-backers, of all people, who claim to understand the "inherent sinfulness of man," sure put a lot of faith in the men who run corporations. Just give the richest people a tax cut and they will benevolently "trickle it down." Yeah, right.
Why must government always be a vehicle for evil? Or is it just an assumption/article of faith among GOPers?
I've wondered about this for a while. I was curious why big business, aside from some obvious kickbacks in recent years, so vigorously supported the Bush administration when they've proven themselves to be a collective of failed and misguided businessmen.
Sure, you got the weasels like HalliCheney who've profited hand over fist via Iraq, but BushCo has been bleedin' this country dry and positioning us behind countries like Canada since 2000!
How do smart businessmen support THAT???
Given all the corporatist whores posing as Democrats and the flat-out open fascists working to overthrow government of, by and for the people, I don't have any problem at all believing this article.
Well sure. Any true conservative won't buy the shenaigans of BushCo. "True conservatives", first and foremost are about fiscal responsibility. The other stuff is of little interest to them.
With the national debt soaring past $9,000,000,000,000 (TRILLION) recently, they realize it has to be paid back or it's 1929 all over again-- world depression. These businessmen would prefer not to lose all their loot on the alter of the egos of a few (in power).
Scale it down to your level. If you owe $90,000 yourself, you should be worried, very worried.
JohnnyZito @ 19:
This party loyalty is an American beast. We have no such thing in Canada. I vote for the man/woman. I have voted Conservatives and Liberals (our two main parties) depending on the person and what they have to say. Most everyone does. I don't get this declaring yourself a Dem., a Rep., or an Ind.
GMB @ 7:
So the same way they're holding their jobs now, right?
foreign manufacturers build their factories outside the US in countries that have universal health care - its a cost the company doesn't have to provide for its unionized employees.
Lyndon Johnson once lamented, "If we've lost Walter Cronkite, we've lost the Vietnam War".
If the Republican party is losing the Wall Street Journal, soon to be Rupert Murdoch's new propaganda organ, then it seems to me that the Republican Party is going to spend very many years in the wilderness.
The Whig Party is no more, soon, I hope it will be joined by the GOP, the Gutless Old Pricks. Good riddance.
The Money Boys are leaving the GOP?
Balderdash!
The only thing that's happening here is that the MBs never throw money away on a lost cause and they can read the writing on the wall like everyone else.
So, they're gone for this election. Feh! They'll be back. And that's because the last 7 years have been all, and only, about one thing: WAR PROFITEERING. That's all Iraq is/was about. That's what W was for. That's why they supported him, and why they'll support the next GOP shithead (who actually has a chance of winning) comes along. All they need is one really good war, and their fortunes are made in perpetuity. If you have any doubt about this, just read the history of the Bush Family - they started off as War Profiteers during the Civil War, and they've raped this country in every war since. Prescott Bush (W's grandfather) was a Nazi collaborator, but he was never brought to task.
So stop trying to figure out out the reasons for war, and the reasons for the MB's support or lack of for the GOP. It's always about the same thing - Profit - and the momentary details only have to do with whether the GOP is doing a good enough job of filling the trough for the MB's.
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