Great video exposing the mouth-breathing useful idiots

scarey shit

GOD save us from the Christians

I read somewhere once that more people have died in the name of one religion or another than have died in all other wars.

That makes it really SPECIAL when our Asshole-In-Chief and his sidekick Darth Cheney tell me how Christian they are.

Just makes me want to puke.

As a Christian, all I ask is that:

[w]hen you pray, go into your room and close the door. Be not like the hypocrites.... Matthew 6:5-6

On Fox News today, a guest managed in less than four minutes to say that Barack Obama and Democrats in general are:

- Domestic insurgents,
- Domestic enemies,
- Equating loving the flag with being a pervert,
- Good allies of the foreign enemies of this country,
- Not demonstrating their patriotism,
- Badmouthing the country,
- Demoralizing the troops,
- Undermining the nation,
- Throwing flags into the gutter,
- Wanting a cloth flag and a match, and
- Opposing everything this country was founded on!

Apparently this man is the love-child of Ann Coulter and an auctioneer.

...Anyone think we should of payed more attention to him when he was alive?

He nailed them for what they have grown into today...

The prophet Bill Hicks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHey5g56CIs&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk

Soooooooo....

When are all these blogs going to join together and plan some major protest?

Iran is getting closer.

Too bad all these popular blogs never jumped on board for the general strike Strike911.org planned for last month.

Why was the Jena 6 protests so easily organised?

If the major blogs only knew how much power they hold.

Jesus loves me yes I know.
The priest who raped me told me so.

Nuns and priests cannot have sex.
When giving head they strain their necks.

Once they had a holy war.
They killed Jews and Muslims door to door.

They killed some "witches" back in Salem.
They hung the bitches, way to save them.

They have ten rules that they obey.
How many will they kill today?

The gates of heaven may let me in,
but not my neighbor, he likes men.

They buy the myth of original sin.
Those evil babies are at it again.

"[Bush is] a man of character, a man of honesty."

How can one person be so utterly full of crap?

Do these assholes realize that up to a million people have been killed by Bush? Oh, that's right: Brown people don't count (they won't say that, but that's what they mean).

these people are exactly why when someone tells me they are christian, i run for my life.
blind insipid obedience to theology. they will shout in your face for the rights of
an embryo and then they will kill anyone who disagrees with their point of view.
to them it's save the embryos=delusional death penalty for adults.

too many wars have devastated humanity because of these ignorant bastards. i am an egnostic, but if i were to give my all to a faith, it would not be what these assinine
"new born" fuckups think is god's word. i have read one version of the st. james bible and today's "christians" would murder jesus if he dared stand in their way of hate.

It's blind loyalty to Bush. They need the Daddy figure.

first three presidents were christian eh? doesnt surprise me that somebody as deluded as he is wouldnt know much about history either.

Chris @ 10:

I think we're missing the point. The people in the video are not stupid, and they're not horrible. They are, I suspect, decent, sincere people who care passionately about the things they have been taught are important. They've been trained to fear a God who will damn them if they do not bring others to his cause, which is so strongly aligned with the abortion issue that they can't see the importance of other moral issues. These are the people created by the culture of "Jesus Camp." If you want to attack someone, attack the cynical manipulators who made them what they are.

I think you're correct that, by and large, people like this are not stupid or evil. They've been indoctrinated. I imagine as well that even the people who run Jesus Camp think they're doing the right thing. They were indoctrinated also, after all. Likewise for the 9/11 hijackers. I'd bet they truly believed they were doing god's bidding, and would be rewarded for it.

Certainly some "cynical manipulators" exist, and do the indoctrinating. But I think overall, all of society needs to take a long hard look at itself and question whether "faith" is a virtue at all. Even so many secular people "believe in belief," to use Dan Dennett's term -- that is, they think that even though they have no belief themselves, they nevertheless maintain that faith is a useful and virtuous attribute. I disagree, and do so openly.

JohnnyThief @ 16:

REAL Christians like CS Lewis & GK Chesterton are spewing right now, looking down on these Forest Gump wannabes,...

Real Christians? I dunno. I'm not so sure the people in this video aren't the "real" Christians. In my experience, those who profess to be the "true Christians" are the ones who have their own internal sense of morality, and disregard the tenets of Christianity they don't like. Then they simply claim that their version of Christianity is the right one.

It always makes me quite curious how someone defines "Christian," when s/he makes such a claim.

Chris @ 10:

I think we're missing the point. The people in the video are not stupid, and they're not horrible. They are, I suspect, decent, sincere people who care passionately about the things they have been taught are important. They've been trained to fear a God who will damn them if they do not bring others to his cause, which is so strongly aligned with the abortion issue that they can't see the importance of other moral issues. These are the people created by the culture of "Jesus Camp." If you want to attack someone, attack the cynical manipulators who made them what they are.

Fuck them! These idiots know EXACTLY what they're saying. I have absolutely ZERO respect for their beliefs. Bunch of hypocrites the entire friggin' lot of them.

God has called on me to disbelieve...and so i don't...i don't believe in God...it is His will and i must obey it.

underdog @ 26:

Karen,
Here is a good one for your quiver:
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

Hee hee, yes, I do like that one too. I avoided it, though, since, without the surrounding context, it is arguable that Jefferson is lamenting his prediction. :)

This video shows a very good representation of your average Bush/Christer voter.
In other words, complete dipshits, divorced from reality.

Karen @ 32:

gene214 @ 27:

Chris @ 10:

I think we're missing the point. The people in the video are not stupid, and they're not horrible. They are, I suspect, decent, sincere people who care passionately about the things they have been taught are important. They've been trained to fear a God who will damn them if they do not bring others to his cause, which is so strongly aligned with the abortion issue that they can't see the importance of other moral issues. These are the people created by the culture of "Jesus Camp." If you want to attack someone, attack the cynical manipulators who made them what they are.

Fuck them! These idiots know EXACTLY what they're saying. I have absolutely ZERO respect for their beliefs. Bunch of hypocrites the entire friggin' lot of them.

I have zero respect for their beliefs as well. But I can separate respecting a person from respecting his beliefs. Not that I have much respect for the people in this clip, but I do agree that they're not evil per se. Most likely, they have indeed been indoctrinated into their religion from early childhood.

The guy in the dark glasses looked like he was making some connections. People of faith are not bad people out of hand, some of them come to some very bad conclusions when they decide to stop thinking for themselves and let someone lead them and use them. I have known many people who have done a lot of good things because they believed in God. All of us have seen many who have done a lot of destructive things with the same faith but a lack of understanding of what faith entails.

These naive men in the video should take five minutes to read this :
http://www.repentamerica.com/bushrevealed/
It's not too late to seek the truth, for the truth will set you free .

Karen @ 36:

xoites defends Constitution @ 29:

God has called on me to disbelieve...and so i don't...i don't believe in God...it is His will and i must obey it.

Xoites, your comments make me smile in the same way I do when I see an M.C. Escher painting. :)

Thank you. Even though the statement turns around on itself it is meant to turn the "logic" of faith around on those who misuse it.

underdog @ 40:

"The guy in the dark glasses looked like he was making some connections."

I think he was just regretting having eaten that third roadside-vendor hotdog with chili.

Yes, it is hard to understand the ways Christ can choose to move one.

Karen @ 18:

It's just so easy for people like this, isn't it? Faith makes everything so simple. Why is that guy not fighting Bush's war in Iraq? God hasn't called him to do that. Instead, god has called him to vote for the person ordering the deaths in Iraq, while limiting the freedom of those at home. No retort works when someone can simply assert, "Ehh, god wants me doing what I'm doing."

Oh, and who were those Christians he mentioned?

George Washington? Hmm, let's ask historian Barry Schwartz.

George Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and superficial because he was not himself a Christian. . . . He repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited for her outside the sanctuary... Even on his deathbed, Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His representative.

Better yet, let's ask another of the Christians he mentioned, Thomas Jefferson:

Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself.

And as for Jefferson himself?

It is not to be understood that I am with him (Jesus Christ) in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism, he preaches the efficacy of repentance toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it.

It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one. But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests.

By the way, Jefferson sought a "god of nature." He believed that if there were a god, god would be found by studying nature and the universe scientifically. Since he wrote the Declaration of Independence, he slipped in a reference to "Nature's God," sort of satisfying those Christians around him in the Continental Congress who wanted a more religious document.

Oh, and video dude mentioned Abraham Lincoln, right? Heh, that one's just too easy. No historical interpretation necessary:

The Bible is not my book, nor Christianity my profession.

Finally, Mr. John Adams. I'll give video dude that one. Adams was, largely, a Christian, though had bouts of agnosticism. Mostly, he lamented the way Christians behaved though.

I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!

The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.

Fa la la.

Isn't it nice to know you're in good company? At the same time, I get this overwhelming feeling that this was the high point of American history....we be on the downslide from here, honeychild.

Even if you showed this to them, they wouldn't get it. They would see as some sort of propaganda piece trying to lead them away from the true path. Yes, folks, they are that brainwashed. They wouldn't acknowledge the truth if it bit them on the ass.

underdog @ 46:

tyree @ 38:

you should have seen bill moyers show tonight if you think this vedo shows what fucking morans christians are his is worse ,i first wanted to puke then wanted to kick thier ass then i got to where i just hated the dam brain dead assholes!

You COULD always change your name to something like Oral, or Pat, or Jerry and make your living off of their gullibility, but you'd have to look at yourself in the mirror every day and not throw-up.

Are Oral and Anal Roberts still alive?

Strawberry @ 43:

Karen @ 18:

Isn't it nice to know you're in good company? At the same time, I get this overwhelming feeling that this was the high point of American history....we be on the downslide from here, honeychild.

:)

James Madison argued passionately for the separation of church and state by telling its detractors that both religion and government would both exist in "greater purity" the less they were mixed together. Indeed, you're correct about the "downslide" from that generation onward. I'm not too sure what Madison meant by "greater purity," but it is certainly fascinating how faith flourished in the United States, while it wained in countries with established religions. It's sickeningly paradoxical: Populations subjected to established religions (but otherwise liberal, western forms of government) tend to reject faith far more than in our country, where we have a "free market," so to speak, of religions.

Come on...the dude says he supports the chimp cause he "prays"......wtf ?

This is a bible thumping adult that is void of logic unable to think for one self....in other words a sheep...I grew up catholic and got married in a Lutheran church and I found this video frightening. This is sick and scary stuff....

ecotopian @ 45:

Even if you showed this to them, they wouldn't get it. They would see as some sort of propaganda piece trying to lead them away from the true path. Yes, folks, they are that brainwashed. They wouldn't acknowledge the truth if it bit them on the ass.

Yep. Recently, Richard Dawkins debated a theistic mathematician on the existence of god. Both professors recognized, and openly supported Darwinian evolution. The debate (such as it was) centered simply on the existence of god. I would have thought it painfully obvious to anyone listening, but on some Christian blogs, many posters heralded the great blows to Darwinism rendered by the mathematician. Somehow, people hear what they want to hear.

Found it! :)

Breaking: Oral Roberts U. Sex (and more) Scandal
by gobacktotexas
Fri Oct 05, 2007 at 09:14:34 PM PDT
Oral Roberts' adult daughter-in-law used university funds to purchase tens of thousands of dollars in clothing. Whilst sending a bunch of text messages to underage males. And Oral Roberts' son used university resources to fund political campaigns in violation of state and federal campaign laws....These are the allegations raised in a lawsuit against the university by three professors who say they were fired for trying to bring the wrongdoing to light.

I actually heard this on NPR today. Sounds like the usual Bible thumping to me. Well, ok, underage male thumping in this case.

I "stopped" going to church because of the religious right and it happened last Christmas eve in the pastors sermon which I walked out of........I do still believe in an all forgiving God.....just not the one this loon in the video is talking about....

This pastor gave a sermon about the fact that Jews, Muslims, and Arabs all going to hell because they were not Christians and he lost me....can anyone explain to me how the people who died in the Holocaust..the families...the"Children" are now in hell next to the evil that burned and starved them to death ? Or the bombs we dropped on Iraqi families and children we see "in this video"...are they burning in hell for eternity ?

This is what the bat sheet wing nut right thinks....it's not right.

xoites defends Constitution @ 50:

Karen @ 42:

xoites defends Constitution @ 35:

Karen @ 32: I have known many people who have done a lot of good things because they believed in God. All of us have seen many who have done a lot of destructive things with the same faith but a lack of understanding of what faith entails.

Hmmm. I realize that many people understand religion in this way. It can inspire good; it can inspire bad, though the bad is often a misinterpretation. I'm not so sure.

I have my suspicions that the good works of the faithful manifest themselves in ways congruent with their respective faiths. However, I suspect that their moral impulses are simply hardwired into them; they'd have done them anyway. In other words, instead of doing things because they believe in god, their natural moral instincts drive them to be good, and they consult their religions for guidance.

On the other hand, many of the evil deeds of the faithful are entirely compatible with the tenets of their faiths. As Sam Harris says, those who supported slavery in the South, and justified it with Biblical passages were on the winning side of a theological argument.

To be serious (just for a moment) it is hard wired into us to save a drowning human, defend a victim, and help each other. When we start creating belief systems we get into trouble. I have been listening on and off to NPR's "This, I believe" series and it occured to me today that it may well be that our desire and propensity to "believe" in things is truly at the root of our problems.

I do think you're onto something. While evolution has hardwired a moral sense into our brains, it has also given us a survival instinct. I suspect that we have an emotional attachment to our beliefs partly because of that survival instinct.

Our parents tell us not to play in the street, that the cars driving by will hurt us. As children, we'd best not be too skeptical. We just believe.

And having our beliefs challenged just might feel threatening to our very survival.

I'm not so sure that it's "belief systems" that are the problem. What we need to learn is a method of evaluation, a means by which to analyze evidence, and determine whether to adopt belief. Science is, first and foremost, a method for evaluating empirical claims, and it works better than anything else we have. Mathematics enables us to evaluate analytical truths. For normative and metaphysical claims, all we have is philosophical discourse, which is just fine. :)

You have to feel sorry for these people, but fear them in the same instance.
It's obvious that if the guy is willing to profess that "the first three President(s) of the
United States were Christians," then he's also willing to repeat anything else he's told in the name of God. These types have a mental meltdown when told that most of the framers of our constitution despised Christianity as a despotic, hypocritical ruse based in ancient mythology and pagan sun worship. But how do you tell that to someone with the "thousand yard stare" of apocalyptic theology, someone who's been so convinced, so brainwashed by the Cult of Christ?

If Christianity provides a framework by which people lead responsible, ethical lives, it is a good thing. When it is used as a justification for killing, torture, shame, and division, it is no longer a religion, but a cult, and this is precisely the fear expressed by the very three presidents this man makes reference to.

xoites defends Constitution @ 52:

48 Strawberry

Xoites, there’s a diary over at Daily Kos regarding Oral and his son, would you be so kind as to link to it and to give us the lowdown? I promise you’ll LOVE IT!

I would be glad to, but could you post a direct link? My eyes are old. :)

Xoites, every time I try to link on this new computor, it says I must register the product...I swear, I've tried every product number I could find, to no avail, I can't even send e-mail yet. Look, it was a gift, OK? And I don't even own a cell phone. YES, FINE, I'M AN IDIOT, I ADMIT IT. TECHNOLOGY BITES!

i wonder what room they used at abugrab prison to hold church services in ?

Scandal Brewing at Oral Roberts U.

Although leftists already have their scapegoat and need look no further, WE ARE BLOWING THE BIGGEST POLITICAL ISSUE OF THIS YEAR, which is the upcoming rubberstamp of arch-neocon Mukasey as Attorney General.

Mukasey has already said that he will not support the naming of special prosecutors.

We should be blocking Mukasey and DEMANDING special prosecutors. Call or write Chairman Leahy and these Senators:

Edward Kennedy Massachusetts
Joseph R. Biden, Jr. Delaware
Herb Kohl Wisconsin
Dianne Feinstein California
Russ Feingold Wisconsin
Chuck Schumer New York
Richard Durbin Illinois
Benjamin Cardin Maryland
Sheldon Whitehouse Rhode Island
Minority
Arlen Specter, Ranking Member Pennsylvania
Orrin Hatch Utah
Chuck Grassley Iowa
Jon Kyl Arizona
Jeff Sessions Alabama
Lindsey Graham South Carolina
John Cornyn Texas
Sam Brownback Kansas
Tom Coburn Oklahoma

(With the rightwing complaining about Mukasey also, it might be worth contacting the minority to complain as well).

RobertPaul @ 5:

GOD save us from the Christians

I read somewhere once that more people have died in the name of one religion or another than have died in all other wars.

That makes it really SPECIAL when our Asshole-In-Chief and his sidekick Darth Cheney tell me how Christian they are.

Just makes me want to puke.

I'm a Christian and I abhor what these 'Christians' are believing and doing. Just as there are many different sects within a particular religion, Christians come in all different types. These Christians in the clip, including the likes of Bush, Cheney, Falwell, Robertson, etc are what I call American Fundamentalist Christians. They are a terrifying lot and I am not one of that kind of Christian.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is about Love, Tolerance/Long-suffering, Mercy, Forgiveness and Grace. Anything other than this is false and descends into the depths of judgement, condemnation, intolerance, hate and destruction. If more 'christians' spent more time in earnest prayer contemplating the love of God and being consumed with Mercy and Grace, everything would be different.
Somewhere these American Fundamentalist Christians got seduced into believing they were God's right hand-men and didn't realize they were shaking hands with the devil. Now their fruits, shrouded in Pharisitical arrogance, are judgement, hate, intolerance and destruction. The harvest is truly frightening.

Thing Fish @ 67:

Scandal Brewing at Oral Roberts U.

Ach und himmel...where were you, like 15 minutes ago. You could have saved me a shit load of humiliation.

xoites defends Constitution @ 70:

Strawberry @ 63:

xoites defends Constitution @ 52:

I would be glad to, but could you post a direct link? My eyes are old. :)

Xoites, every time I try to link on this new computor, it says I must register the product...I swear, I've tried every product number I could find, to no avail, I can't even send e-mail yet. Look, it was a gift, OK? And I don't even own a cell phone. YES, FINE, I'M AN IDIOT, I ADMIT IT. TECHNOLOGY BITES!

Do you have the software for your operating system? (Such as Windows?)

It came preloaded...WAHHHHHHHH!

69 Paul in LA
Call or write Chairman Leahy and these Senators:

You are sking me to believe in American Democracy. Hell, i don't even believe in Gid!

Strawberry @ 75:

xoites defends Constitution @ 70:

Strawberry @ 63:

xoites defends Constitution @ 52:
Xoites, every time I try to link on this new computor, it says I must register the product...I swear, I've tried every product number I could find, to no avail, I can't even send e-mail yet. Look, it was a gift, OK? And I don't even own a cell phone. YES, FINE, I'M AN IDIOT, I ADMIT IT. TECHNOLOGY BITES!

Do you have the software for your operating system? (Such as Windows?)

It came preloaded...WAHHHHHHHH!

its swell its a dell

75 Strawberry

Email me, i may be able to help.

Andy @ 72:

Karen @ 62:

Andy @ 57:

I do still believe in an all forgiving God.....just not the one this loon in the video is talking about....

May I ask why? I'm genuinely curious, and since you're putting your beliefs out there for us to read, I'd like to know why.

How did you come to believe in the god in which you now believe, and why did you reject the one about which your pastor spoke? It seems that you simply didn't like what the pastor was saying, so you decided it wasn't true. Am I wrong?

I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful. Just asking.

very simple...I can not believe that God would send innocent people "of faith"...whatever that faith may be ...to hell...

Right. But my question was why you can't believe that. I know that you don't believe it. I'm just wondering why. Is it just because you would morally disagree with such an action? Couldn't god be evil, or someone with whom you disagree morally? It just seems to me as though you decided it wasn't true simply because you don't like the idea that it is true. It's unpleasant and morally upsetting to you. To me, and again, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to you, that seems like a faulty way to determining truth, that's all. So, if you'll permit me, I'll ask again. Why do you not believe that god sends innocent non-Christians to hell?

Now you tell me ....do "you" think that the children burned in Hitlers ovens and the children who died in Iraq from cluster bombs are in hell if they had faith no matter what it was ?

Me? No. I do not believe that anyone murdered at the hands of Hitler or Bush are in hell. Because I don't believe in hell. Or heaven. Or god. I have not seen convincing evidence that such places or such an entity actually exists.

It's whats in your heart that gets you into heaven. Your life...your works.

Why do you believe that?

Paul in LA @ 76:

Strawberry: "Ach und himmel"

The phrase is Gott im Himmel (God in Heaven), FWIW.

Funny, I never heard the Gott part...but then again when my muttie used that phrase, her german/english got kinda' mushed...maybe 'cause she was too busy swingin' that Gott awful wooden spoon.

xoites defends Constitution @ 50:

Karen @ 42:

xoites defends Constitution @ 35:

Karen @ 32: I have known many people who have done a lot of good things because they believed in God. All of us have seen many who have done a lot of destructive things with the same faith but a lack of understanding of what faith entails.

Hmmm. I realize that many people understand religion in this way. It can inspire good; it can inspire bad, though the bad is often a misinterpretation. I'm not so sure.

I have my suspicions that the good works of the faithful manifest themselves in ways congruent with their respective faiths. However, I suspect that their moral impulses are simply hardwired into them; they'd have done them anyway. In other words, instead of doing things because they believe in god, their natural moral instincts drive them to be good, and they consult their religions for guidance.

On the other hand, many of the evil deeds of the faithful are entirely compatible with the tenets of their faiths. As Sam Harris says, those who supported slavery in the South, and justified it with Biblical passages were on the winning side of a theological argument.

To be serious (just for a moment) it is hard wired into us to save a drowning human, defend a victim, and help each other. When we start creating belief systems we get into trouble. I have been listening on and off to NPR's "This, I believe" series and it occured to me today that it may well be that our desire and propensity to "believe" in things is truly at the root of our problems.

This I Believe:

That in his frail attempt to rationalize an often irrational world, to give meaning to his existence and assuage his knowledge that one day, he too will be dead, humans since the primordial have developed cognitive structures by which they give meaning to their otherwise powerless and meaningless paths from the womb to the grave. The faculties of imagination and abstract thought beget myths that eventually become belief systems. Religions are products of fear in its most basic form. They are the fitful denials that one will never know from whence we came and whence we go. The old saying, "You won't get out of this world alive," sums it up the agony nicely.

God gave me free will but i gave it back. I told him i did not want him making any decisions for me.

the supreme imbeciles of creation, reductio ad absurdum

Karen..you answered my question....I do think there is a higher power though...a God. An Afterlife. I have seen death and people die and I believe the soul lives on.

Andy @ 93:

Karen..you answered my question....I do think there is a higher power though...a God. An Afterlife. I have seen death and people die and I believe the soul lives on.

Right. I know that you believe in such things. My question is why you do.

Karen: "And as for Jefferson himself?

It is not to be understood that I am with him (Jesus Christ) in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist; he takes the side of Spiritualism, he preaches the efficacy of repentance toward forgiveness of sin; I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it.

"

This selective quotation is misleading. The reason why Jefferson says this caveat is because this was the cover letter (to Van der Kemp) to the mailing of the Jefferson Bible (redacted gospels with all miracles removed), which Jefferson spent his last years working on. In more accurate context, note that Jefferson also said this:

"Notwithstanding these disadvantages, a system of morals is presented to us, which, if filled up in the true style and spirit of the rich fragments he left us, would be the most perfect and sublime that had ever been taught by man." (lettter to Priestly, 1805)

xoites defends Constitution @ 77:

69 Paul in LA
Call or write Chairman Leahy and these Senators:

You are sking me to believe in American Democracy. Hell, i don't even believe in Gid!

No, I'm asking you to get off your fat ass and actually DO something to change the future.

And to follow up on your last comment "again" as to why do I believe what I do ?

Because my Faith is that God accepts everyone and is forgiving of all sins. Does the color of my skin or my nationality change
that ?

I know the Christian pitch...it is the word and the only way to heaven. I don't agree basically because I don't know.

Paul in LA @ 99:

xoites defends Constitution @ 77:

69 Paul in LA
Call or write Chairman Leahy and these Senators:

You are sking me to believe in American Democracy. Hell, i don't even believe in Gid!

No, I'm asking you to get off your fat ass and actually DO something to change the future.

Actually, i am really fucking skinny.

Ron: "Paul, I know for a fact, xoites does more than most."

Well, in any case, it isn't a matter of belief. This is PRAGMATISM.

Special prosecutors or bust.

Rudy thinks spending
is why Americans have had it with Republiscum.

Andy @ 101:

And to follow up on your last comment "again" as to why do I believe what I do ?

Because my Faith is that God accepts everyone and is forgiving of all sins. Does the color of my skin or my nationality change
that ?

Hey, Andy. Please continue to understand I mean no disrespect towards you. You seem a decent person, and I'm only hoping to engage in polite discussion. In the above sentences, though, from my perspective, it sounds like you're saying, "I believe it because I believe it." Which isn't really an answer.

I suppose you could just say, "I have faith that this is true. It is not evidence-based. I just believe it." And hey, I respect your right to such beliefs. Personally, though, I do not understand them.

I know the Christian pitch...it is the word and the only way to heaven. I don't agree basically because I don't know.

Ok, now I'm a little confused. :) Are you saying that you can't know whether one religion or another marks the only way to heaven, and thus you refrain from adopting such a belief? Cuz I would totally agree with that. That's basic skepticism.

Though for me, it goes further. I don't know how the universe came about, and haven't seen evidence for an intelligent being who created it. So, I refrain from adopting belief in one. Perhaps through our scientific studies, we'll find good evidence for such a being. But until then, I don't believe in such a being.

Basic perspective of a skeptical atheist. ;)

ill tell you what i believe ,i believe religion was invented by some perverted asshole so thier would be jobs for dickheads that really didnt want to do an honest days work , so they made them preachers then some other asshole needed fools to follow him to make him feel like a bigshit, then they had the fools pass the plate around so the lazy bastard preacher could buy his wife a nice fur coat and feed the little preacher bastards they produced so they could show off how well thier kids believed all the bullshit pappa beat into thier heads , and finally they invented religion to keep all these fools from killing each other , but it didnt work out so they just decided to use religion to kill anyone who doesnt believe thier fairytale shit and who dont look like them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

karen......I watched my wife's sister die 3 years ago from breast cancer at 31...when she took her last breath her body, her looks changed...her soul left her and went somewhere else...she was not a "Christian" and i believe she went to heaven... my wife was carrying my 3 year old son then.

I watched my father die..as I was sitting at his bedside he took his last breath and then was a shell....Didn't even look like himself....he was not religious....I believe he is in heaven because he was a good man....

What do "you want me to say" ? Does Jesus Christ accept jews, muslims and those of other faiths into heaven....

My answer is..yes.

Andy @ 115:

Does Jesus Christ accept jews, muslims and those of other faiths into heaven....

My answer is..yes.

What about atheists? (aka, sin against the Holy Spirit)

Andy @ 115:

karen......I watched my wife's sister die 3 years ago from breast cancer at 31...when she took her last breath her body, her looks changed...her soul left her and went somewhere else...she was not a "Christian" and i believe she went to heaven... my wife was carrying my 3 year old son then.

I watched my father die..as I was sitting at his bedside he took his last breath and then was a shell....Didn't even look like himself....he was not religious....I believe he is in heaven because he was a good man....

What do "you want me to say" ? Does Jesus Christ accept jews, muslims and those of other faiths into heaven....

My answer is..yes.

I'm very sorry to learn of your losses. And I extend my condolences to your wife.

If I'm not making my queries clear, I apologize. No worries. There isn't anything in particular I "want you to say." As someone who doesn't believe in souls, heaven, hell or god in the first place, I was just curious as to why you did believe in such things. That's all.

Thanks for the conversation. :)

Obviously, this is not the place to discuss religion, or maybe it is.

tyree @ 113:

ill tell you what i believe ,i believe religion was invented by some perverted asshole so thier would be jobs for dickheads that really didnt want to do an honest days work

Can't argue that that isn't one aspect of religion. Now days that aspect is called being a manager. Have an interesting book "Mathematical Cuneiform Texts". It's made up of word problems that generally go 'You have X amount of work to do. How long will it take 6 workers to complete?'

Guess who had time to sit around studding such texts back then...

Ron @ 121:

Obviously, this is not the place to discuss religion, or maybe it is.

This is an open thread and short of the violent overthrow of a country to be named later or assasination ANYTHING GOES! (Except, of course conspiracy theories which end up hijacking the thread as if it were an airplane fated to crash into a tower.) :)

Andy @ 120:

karen...I have no disrespect at you being an atheist...I'm probably an agnostic now.

very simply put...I look around me every day and can not believe the beautiful earth we live was spawned from an atom...and if it did...where did the atom come form to begin the evolution process....

Thus I believe in God.

Ok, that answers my question. :)

Of course, as far as I know, there is no evidence that earth was spawned from an atom. Perhaps the universe began as some sort of (almost incomprehensible) singularity, but not quite an atom. :)

Indeed, the riddle of the "first cause" has yet to be solved. Personally, though I don't default to a supernatural intelligence just because the first cause concept is so puzzling. In fact, to me, it seems a poor answer, since such an intelligence would not only require its own cause, but would be far more complex than that which it is supposed to explain.

Or, if this entity is supposed to have existed forever, without beginning or end, well, perhaps the universe has existed forever, without beginning or end, and itself evolved from simple beginnings. :)

Anywazy..........thanks again for the conversation.

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Ron @ 121:

Obviously, this is not the place to discuss religion, or maybe it is.

Ron, I'm done...sorry for my blathering....now I wonder where Tom Delay is going....

I think I know and it isn't where he thinks he's going.

probably a place where he is forced to watch a Hillary campaign speech for eternity....

Andy @ 129:

Ron @ 126:

Andy @ 124:

Ron @ 121:

Ron, I'm done...sorry for my blathering....now I wonder where Tom Delay is going....

I think I know and it isn't where he thinks he's going.

LOL.
probably a place where he is forced to watch a Hillary campaign speech for eternity....

Andy @ 129:

Ron @ 126:

Andy @ 124:

Ron @ 121:

Ron, I'm done...sorry for my blathering....now I wonder where Tom Delay is going....

I think I know and it isn't where he thinks he's going.

probably a place where he is forced to watch a Hillary campaign speech for eternity....

:lol: Ok, that I would definitely like to believe in. :lol:

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

Andy @ 120:

karen...I have no disrespect at you being an atheist...I'm probably an agnostic now.

very simply put...I look around me every day and can not believe the beautiful earth we live was spawned from an atom...and if it did...where did the atom come form to begin the evolution process....

Thus I believe in God.

Oh, the answer to that is easy: WE DON'T KNOW YET! :)

Believe it or not human beings have not figured it all out. That does not mean there is no answer, we just do not know it.

We didn'nt know about the internet 5,000 years ago. Perhaps someone else did.

Ron @ 135:

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

Andy @ 120:

karen...I have no disrespect at you being an atheist...I'm probably an agnostic now.

very simply put...I look around me every day and can not believe the beautiful earth we live was spawned from an atom...and if it did...where did the atom come form to begin the evolution process....

Thus I believe in God.

Oh, the answer to that is easy: WE DON'T KNOW YET! :)

Believe it or not human beings have not figured it all out. That does not mean there is no answer, we just do not know it.

We didn'nt know about the internet 5,000 years ago. Perhaps someone else did.

If someone did then i do wish he would come forth and spout the megabucks number!

xoites defends Constitution @ 137:

Ron @ 135:

xoites defends Constitution @ 132:

Andy @ 120:

Oh, the answer to that is easy: WE DON'T KNOW YET! :)

Believe it or not human beings have not figured it all out. That does not mean there is no answer, we just do not know it.

We didn'nt know about the internet 5,000 years ago. Perhaps someone else did.

If someone did then i do wish he would come forth and spout the megabucks number!

LOL

Retired Navy @ 140:

I still can't understand how there can be a war and these nutbags "don't know" when asked how they feel about dead children. It is all over the blogosphere and much of the MSM. A more believable response from these people would be to say that they just don't care. But that would be very anti-Christian, wouldn't it? These people are a stain on humanity.

They have no idea where their faith really lies.

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I'm thinking...

karen...what you said is why religion is such a controversial political topic....no one knows until you die.

Just from my own experiences, I do believe there is an afterlife.

What it is I don"t know. Fanatical right wingers are delusional in my view because they never question things and condemn people for not being a follower...my evangelical mother in law already told me i was going to burn in hell in my own home.

What makes me ill is when politicians "use" religion to get votes the same way you have to wear a flag pledge pin so you don't get called unpatriotic......same thing.

To me your relationship with God is personal. When you base wars, elections, and discriminate because of individuals personal religious faiths....that crosses the line for me because it disrespects individuals rights to formulate their own beliefs in something that is unknown.

Retired Navy @ 140:

These people are a stain on humanity.

Sadly, they are genetically programmed to act this way. Religion has long outlived its usefulness and this is the result: unthinking, sheepish masses. We can rail against them, but it does not seem to change them. They have the cognitive dissonance required to convert almost any event into something that reinforces their belief. The trick is to figure out how to deprogram them. Got any ideas?

I had a special fondness for the Shakers. Now here was a religion i could get behind (if not participate in.)

They believed in not having sex. To show their devotion to God (and to deal with all that excess sexual energy) they would come together and "shake." Much modern dance could have been based on this, but the abstinance part was lost in translation.

In any event (SUPRISE! SUPRISE!) this sect died out.

Ever wonder why the Roman Catholic Church is opposed to contraception?

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God gave US free will so that all the bad shit could be blamed on us sinners and God could go golfing.