Torture via FOX: The Jack Bauer principle for very serious people
The insane fascination with the show "24," and how it suddenly defines the issue of torture for these warmongering and very serious Kristol hawks is ludicrous. And the secret documents are....still secret and even Jay Rockefeller says that he hasn't seen them.
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William the Bloody thinks that certain torture is "reasonable." "Serious people at the Justice department are trying to figure out what is torture, what is acceptable to certain circumstances....I think the Bush administration has been much more serious and conscientious about this than the NY Times reporting gives it credit for."
Memo to the warmongers: It's not hard to figure out what is torture. As long as Bush "surges on" in Iraq, William will be there sticking up for his boy. Just ask these WWII Nazi interrogators their feelings on BushCo's torture tactics.
Nothing this goofy, chickenshit, chickenhawk, coward says has any credence at all....what has he ever been correct about? He is a lying piece of worthless neo-con matter.
Wow! A show where torture actually works? That's cool. I once saw these movies about this evil being who could see the whole landscape around him with a giant red eye, and he captured this ring that had enormous power, and this heroic little person had to destroy the ring and save everyone. That was a great fantasy, too.
They'd rather believe a fictional TV show than actual studies proving that torture leads to false information.
But it's easy to find excuses to support the torture of your fellow human beings if you're as repugnant and dastardly as Kristol.
They're just pumping up the base for torture as we get ready to invade Iran. Patreus has now said that Iran is increasing its activities in Iraq, so he's Bush's PR man for invasion. Fox and Kristol are harping the company line so that we can get in there and torture the crap outta those nasy Iranians who held our people hostage for so long. Besides oil, it's all about revenge.
How could he be all that conscientious about it? Dana Perino couldn't even provide an official definition from the Bush administration of what he would believe torture to be when asked point blank by members of the press.
“Serious people at the Justice department are trying to figure out what is torture, what is acceptable to certain circumstances….
What is torture? Well, Little Willie, how about anything you wouldn't want done to yourself? So I'm assuming we can slap you upside the head now. Hey how about seeing how long you can hold your breath? Better yet, let's make him spend the night naked outside at the North Pole. Bloody Bill is such a lying, sniveling little simp.
Well heres how to draw the line: THE TORTURE ADVICE COLUMN, by ‘DEVIL’S ADVOCATE’
What if it was you, Kristol? You fucking little twerp. You sycophantic, machiavellian, power worshipping zit. What if it was you being "head slapped"?
And Juan thinks that the American people will support torture at the president's discretion, in certain circumstances of course, and calls that rational?
Welcome to bizzaro land.
I suggest Kristol and his chickenhawks test out their ideas on each other first and decide whether it was torture based on their own experience.
I have a suggestion. Let's subject this neocon, brainless twit to all of the tortures that the CIA, Blackwater, et al have used at the same time. You know waterboarding, sexual assults, degrading pictures of him in the nude(oh what a disgusting sight...sure cure for pedophiles) etc. and let us see what he has to say then. Had he been around during the heyday of the Nazi he would no doubt have approved of all that went on in the concentration camps even though it was his own people who were doing the suffering. What a disgrace to the human race he is.
What Moon said. Why don't some of the idiot interviewers on these so-called news shows ask these sociopaths just what they would accept being done to them by their enemy? But of course, that'll never happen, at least on Fox.
Sick pathetic bastards, the lot of them.
The simplest definition of torture: "If Saddam did it to our troops, would you scream bloody murder? If so, it's torture."
having to endure his afternoon nap on muslin sheets with the air-conditioning off would make Kristol confess to things he never did.
this smug bastard is so far from a real man in too many ways!
And of course Kristol just had to bring Bill Clinton into the "discussion". So Clinton was a bastard too, but his Boy George is less of a bastard? In his twisted mind, I guess that justifies torture.
Ever since the word "torture" entered mainstream media as a topic of debate a few years ago, ever since pundits and experts argued for and against it's effectiveness, all the while never suggesting even the possibility that it might just be morally reprehensible, ever since then I’ve know deep in my gut that our country is lost.
When I see presidential candidates glorify fictional characters because they use torture, and when I see them applauded for doing so, I see Nazism rising from the grave. When I see other so-called “opposition” candidates denouncing all these things, but all the while cowering and caving in where and when it really counts, I see Eichmanns. I see no hope whatsoever for what we have allowed to happen here. It has happened here.
neverbeenfooled @ 10:
They should have to play the game they are advocating. The problem is, they would start crying at the first splash of water in waterboarding. They should have to continue with the other methods though, until just before any of their organs shut down. With Kristol, that would probably be in the first few seconds.
I agree with Dave. I was appalled when I first heard people like Alan Dershowitz publicly advocating for torturing people. I thought for sure the American people would reject such a base and "unAmerican" idea. But no. Quite the opposite it seems.
What an ugly country America has become.
All those people are demons...
Yeah... I think we should ALL be relieved that the CIA told us some numbers...
Because we ALL know we can TRUST them sooooooo much.
We can Trust the CIA right???
Right??
I think most Americans would support torture in "certain situations." Sad.
dave @ 16:
Amen
The first time I heard torture defended on TV was from the lips of the inimitable Dr. Dershowitz after 9-11 but not long after yet another report concerning the use of torture by the Israelis. Somewhat in the nature of "If it's all right for the Israeli gestapo its all right for us (since nothing Israel does can possibly be wrong."
rmf @ 18:
Indeed. I have heard many people make this same statement lately. It is so sad.
Ron @ 17:
They should have to continue with the other methods though, until just AFTER any of their organs shut down.
Where was the argument today? Juan Williams stated "that American people are reasonable" referring to his opinion that we would endorse torture in moderation. So what is the panel arguing about? They're all for torture. And since these news pundits are the representatives of the American people, our will is done.
Jack Bauer is now a repeat DUI offender, sounds familiar of the cabal.
Next thing, you know these sick m'fer's will want all forensic law enforcement officers to be examples of Showtime's Dexter.
Without doubt the United States has at one time or another had people who in the heat of the moment have acted in a fashion that dishonors the history and traditions of the country. I say dishonors, because from before the founding of the nation until recently the governing people of our country have striven to burnish the good name of the country. They wanted by and large to leave to their posterity a country to be proud of. Here in the South, the Civil War is very much a sore subject for white's with injured egos. At the outset of the Civil War, the South had transformed the question of slavery from one of property into one of race. Nonetheless, the people who governed the south, with rare exception, acted honorably and without brutality. Even in the depths of a life and death struggle inflamed by race hatred Americans north and south emerged with honor intact. It is a pitiful spectacle to see now in my lifetime, this nation's honor so dragged into the mud by officially condoned torturing and brutality. The stain on this country, I am afraid is on us forever.
So Hayden admits that least 30 prisoners were subjected to
tortureenhanced interrogation techiques. And Juan thinks that's reasonable? We know that Kristol would tourture them all, even just liberals. Nothing new there. But so much for Bush denials that we don't torture people.Dee @ 26:
Now I just watched Dexter for the first time the other night.
Dexter is a mis-understood, intrepid young individual trying to navigate his way through the little moral and ethical folkways and morays we experience everyday. Like many of us, Dexter is flawed. He deals with challenges and inner demons by killing people. What's he up to Dee, more than 20 so far huh?
'24'! These dipsh!ts are more like 'F-Troop'.
SAW IV should have Condi, Rummy and Bush carrying out sick torture scenarios at the command of a sick and dying Dick Cheney. Crystal would cream in his pants if he wasn't impotent.
Jack Bauer is a fictional character.I wish Kristol was fiction, but he`s not.Both Jack Bauer and Bill Kristol are immature.Bauer is honorable.Kristol is not.
I will not watch "24" anymore. I admit that I was enthralled with it for the past two seasons,but I feel that it is an attempt to legitimize torture,and for that reason I will not watch it again.
I am ashamed of our leaders and the PUNDITS who espouse torture who are nothing but dishonorable,sadistic,borderline-sociopaths.I am also ashamed of those in power who collude in the torture machine by their silence.Evil is still evil whether or not we talk about it.
BennyP @ 30:
But F troop was loveable. Even the Indians took pity on their stupidity.
Don't worry. Serious people are fingering their worry beads while they torture. IOW, they aren't laughing while they torture, they are engaging in serious philosophical remonstration.
So don't worry your unwashed little noggins over the torture. We'll do that for you. In fact, we'll hold a meeting discussing when next to hold a meeting on seriously worrying.
This turd, Kristol, can go straight to hell (and prison, if I had my way).
America has lost any moral high ground it held, same as unrelenting greed is killing the dollar
(the world doesn't appreciate our fraudulent unloading of sub-prime debt).
...
When will this end? Our national policies and discourse are set by children. When will the adults be in charge again?
BennyP @ 30:
This is so true.Most of the problems arise because of the petty games that the "authorities" play.In that case it is somewhat realistic.
Bill the Bloody Smiling Corpse.
Mugsy @ 13:
That's it. Reality is when it happens to me or mine.
The big concern for me is that these neocons present themselves as having access to the secret data regarding the Bush Admin's policies that not even Congress gets to see. Neocons like Bill here use their Fox pulpit to reassure us that they have seen the data. They claim to know first-hand all Bush has done to keep the country safe without sacrificing our liberties but, alas, they are unable to expose the details without endangering national security.... we apparently should just trust them.
The very fact that they might know stuff that the rest of us don't - regardless of whether that info condemns or exonerates Bush - should infuriate any real American.
Party before country... every damn time.
Shit that reminds me OTAY I have some worry beads to finger! Be right back........
Reality / Fantasy all the same to Billy. I hereby re-christen Mr. Krhistol as "The Joker" since he always has the stupid ass grin on his face while coming up with evil shit. He's so seriously insane.
One Year Wonder @ 42:
Is that a grin or is he baring his teeth trying to push that scatology out for our consumption?
Forget 24.
We love our torture best when we use it to have a hottie sell us soap and shampoo.
~nwa
I honestly tried to watch this FOX crap to see if I could gain some insight into what the panel was all about. But, I must say when the " Lady on the panel " could only bring herself to identify Hillaryn\ as "his wife", I had to fold!! Can you imagine, whether you like her or not, she is an 8 year first lady. She is a second term Senator for New York!! She is a leading democratic female candidate for the President of the United States. And then you have this "BIMBO" refer to her as only (Clinton's ) "his wife". Shocking! I wonder if the NeoCons- men and women - are running scared? I hope so, as they sure need to be scared with all the devastation they have wrought on the United States!!!!
can someone kidnap and torture this bunch? please? just a little?
watching these pigs makes it so obvious why america bought the war. thank god blogs are here now, so we can eventually do away with these worthless bits of protoplasm.
Mugsy @ 13:
saddam didn't. we're worse than saddam. our invasion has resulted in more deaths than his regime ever caused.
byron @ 46:
too funny!! We can do water boarding or show them Phil Donahue show repeats over and over again and again !!!!!!!!
Cardinal @ 45:
Unfortunately, her only qualification for any of those positions is as "his wife." HRC wouldn't even be a lawyer if it wasn't for Bill taking her to Arkansas so she could find a bar exam she could pass.
Maybe repeated watching of Kristol and Fox News is on the secret list of enhanced interrogation techniques. If I was forced to watch them for any length of time I'd give in and tell anything and everything
I would very seriously like to see Bill Kristol have to answer questions under oath.
These scenarios they keep talking about are scare tactics and a form of torture on the American people. Stop using these inane bogus-bogey-man-scenarios you Faux jihadist fools!
Scenario:
A bomb has gone of in Atlanta, another is believed to be in Austin. Intelligence indicates that the terrorists are on a bus somewhere in Louisiana, but we have no idea who they are, they could be any of the passengers. We have a hour before the second bomb. Do we torture the bus passangers?
Oh, and one of them is your Mom.
Perhaps we could hope for a voice of caution from Juan Williams,
oh
never mind
muzz @ 54:
Thing is, that scenario has never occurred in real life. It's been deliberately constructed (minus the Mom) by torture apologists to create the fear-based kind of world wherein squeamish liberals must put themselves in black and white situations of obviously having a bad guy in front of you and being able to blithely discard all of your moral ambiguity about human rights and dignity.
fiver @ 50:
Iam not sure I am reding you right from your entry. But, I don't think anyone can question her intelligence. so if you are , "flock off' !!!!!!!
Obviously everyone on the panel should be subjected to "not torture" before they reasonably can comment.
Where is the outrage? Where are the people? Why are we standing passively by while a piece of shit like Kristol and his ilk defile our country with their obscenities, and drag everything that defined this Nation as unique in History, through the toxic sewage of their Fascist agenda? You do understand, that the justification of the war crime of torture, is not just to enable them to use it on foreign "terrorists", do you not? You will see the same leveled against US!
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Pastor Martin Niemoller (1892-1984)
What a bunch of SERIOUS douche-bags!
"Well, we still don't know what is in these secret memos." -- hmm, the secret laundry list, the secret documents that they followed, or the secret documents that say; "we've been studying this but there is nothing to see."
Gotta love the "official" saying that as far as he knows, only 100 people needed interrogation and only a third needed extra special interrogation. Will this mean anything in a court of law? No. Does it mean anything beyond sounding great on TV as if serious people are investigating, and they can assure you that everything is in order? No.
But it is a useful study in how to fill an hour of TV, looking serious, and saying absolutely nothing you can ever be held accountable for.
If these CHICKEN LIVERED Draft dodgers ever had an ratoinal thought, the would have remembered that such a policy does exist worldwide and that is the humane treatment of prisoners under the Geneva Convention. This agreement we and the rest of the (Civilized World) recognized as the standard. The best that they can do to rationalized the conduct is to blame or insinuate that the previous administration of President Bill Clinton had something to do with the present day, morally decedence of this administration and the operatives of their policies. Rmember if it talks like a IDIOT, than it must be an IDIOT.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Nothing new here but same old bloviations from the usual suspects.
Bill Kristol thinks certain torture is reasonable, because he is entirely unreasonable.
kaT @ 63:
Oh, and he looks like a skinned rabbit, I'm sick of seeing his ugly face.
Kristol is a neocon wingnut who is wrong about just about everything. Why does he still get microphone and a paycheck?
However we do know what methods were used and they include rape and murder.
WE ARE A NATION OF WAR CRIMINALS
I'm sorry. I have a hard time not wishing harm to these fascist pigs. william the bloody needs to be brought to account for his leading the lame and moral-less idiots down this road with this criminal administration. THIS aDMINISTRATION needs to be held responsible in INTERNATION criminal courts. This is the same sort of shame that the Argentines dealt with as their political functionaries twisted the laws to allow torture and the destruction of their civil rights.
I hope and pray that william the bloody burns in hell...if there is such an ending for such evil and sick bastards.
Everybody is talking about Krystol who obvioulsy lacks a soul, but for some reason, that woman Mara Something gives me the creeps. It seems that it is only her head that moves. Even Juan does. This show is typical FOX.
Anastasia Beaverhousen @ 68:
Yeah, they don't look quite human, do they...
Oh...wait. Nevermind.
I would gladly waterboard the entire panel at my expense, and at their displeasure.
Let me know...
Should Murdoch be first up to be "rendered"?
All those in favor of torture have never been in the Military and if they were they would cry like little girls. Bill Kristol will pee in his pants and cry for his Mother. Bush called his Daddy to get him out before he drank that other bottle. Cheney used the 5 deferments and then his wife to stay out of serving the Military. When you check out the GOP you'll find few who served. Fingers Foley was molesting children at the time, Senator Craig was well you know, Senator Vitter was hiring prostitutes at a young age and still continues today. Americans will realize what the Cheney/Gonzales torture bill means when one of our US soldiers is tortured. Only then will people stop asking what is torture. Now as for Bill Kristrol just show him the water board and he'll faint, pee and pup in his pants.
You all bash the conservatives when you should realize that far left is just as worse.
Its like calling the Nazis bad when your mussolini.
"...just as worse"...? Really HEH... ya think so? Cuz them's perty strong words there.
Idiot.
Heh, you don't get it. Torture is wrong, no matter what country or what party does it. It just so happens that it is the present administration that is blatantly doing the torturing. They are the ones who have legitimized it and made it legal. In the past, if Americans tortured people, they could be prosecuted. Not any more, if Bush and his sick cabal have their way.
We can't control what other countries do to people. Unfortunately, it seems Americans can't control what their own country does to people either.
As a Christian, I believe Kristol is someday going to have to account for his time on this earth. Until then, unless he sees the light, we'll have to put up with his smug smirk and barbarity. But in 2008 let's elect people that aren't influenced by him. Maybe if he's obsolete, he'll fade away.
heh @ 72:
Just as worse? Do you speak English? In any event, you may want to rework your analogies. Mussolini was just as far-right as Hitler.
And by the way, today's Repug and neocon supporters of the admin are anything but "conservative", so I hope you are not talking about them. They are radicals, just like their were in their sixties youth as left-wing radicals.
Buford @ 73:
Ah, you beat me to it. I guess are semi-literacy sensors go on full alert when a wingnut appears.
Otay @ 77:
The semi-literacy must be rubbing off. I meant "I guess our semi-literacy sensors..."
I cannot stand this chickencrappolla AIPAC a**hole, traitor galore..
WH Press Briefing, October 5 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIxAEOjpeTU
Added: 2 days ago
From: Veracifier
Dana Perino White House Press Briefing: Torture Edition, Day 2
Question: "What is the governments definition of torture?"
answer: ah.ah.ah. I ah. ah , department of defence......
We don't torture,
We really, definitely don't torture...
AND BTW, DON'T FORGET 9-11!!! Although Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. But now, Al Qaeda here, there, everywhere... They are very patient, but just wait to attack us .. 911, 911, 911 ..
DEPORT KRISTOL NOW
#80 After someone stomps a mudhole in his cowardly ass.
kasinca @ 81:
Hey, that's a good idea. It would relieve his apparent eternal constipation and perhaps wipe that look off of his face and the squeaky breathless sound of his voice.
I just realized the sphincter-tight look on his face might not be constipation, but a butt-plug. In which case dislodging it might induce wrath rather than gratitude.
General Billy kristol once led a battalion of G.I. dolls in a daring raid on an "insurgent" neighbor's sand castle.
Who better to call the shots on American foreign policy?
*G.I. Joe dolls
What a putz.
Please be more precise in your language. Those people are not "Nazi Interrogators". That means they are Nazis, who interrogate. Those men you are speaking of are Interrogators of Nazis.
Little mistakes and imprecisions like that are important and undermine the message you're trying to send.
Sorry for being such a stickler. I think it's important, though. Thank you.
Head slap for Kristol is torture. He should be bitch slapped! Oh yeah, from the Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/)
1. bitch slap----To open handedley slap someone. Denote disrespect for the person being bitch slapped as they are not worthy of a man sized punch. Suggests the slap was met with little resistance and much whining
“Serious people at the Justice department are trying to figure out what is torture"
I'll tell you what torture is. Having to see that sick pompous fuck getting paid money to spew hate and racism. I don't know why someone doesn't point out that KKKristol supports Israel's interests over the interests of his own country. He is the definition of a traitor, he actively plans the downfall of the US and lives to see the next "Pearl Harbor type of incident".
What these sick fucks just can't get through their heads is that it is not about who "they" are, it is about who "we" are. After all the dodging of "hypotheticals" from the Bush Administration, why are they rehashing lifeboat scenarios? Anything they haven't planned for is "hypothetical". Any lifeboat situation they concoct is to exuse stuff they are doing NOW.
We've seen the footage. Who the fuck do they think they're kidding?
What they never talk about is how torture is being made routine and a matter of policy, or how it demeans America,, and destroys its world image. It sets the door ajar, and invites abuse, and forcing of the guidelines.
In the world, before now, I'm sure if there was a bomb about to go off in a mall, and they had someone, they knew, knew all about it. he might have been smacked upside the head, or pistol whipped (etc.). Men are men. But it wasn't policy. It was pragmatism at a time of high and immediate panic. These ghouls are setting up and constructing high-tech torture chambers.
They know pornography when they see it, but they have a hard time determining what torture is.
>>> What an ugly country America has become.
Well said, sir or madam.
John @ 92:
But what if I like pornography with torture innit?
leave it to fox! it speaks for itself!
They always have to go back to Clinton.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/delta_force_founder_no_real_threat_t...
Here's how a real patriot feels about torture -- and about Bush and his gang of smug, cold blooded idiots like Kristol and Cheney. What in hell is it with wingnuts that they listen to white livered woosies like Kristol and the AssPimple but discount the comments made by real men and real patriots like Sgt Major Haney?
What do you think "24" was designed to do? It influences Red State members to accept torture as a proper means to extract information.
Hey, it works -- Jack Bauer did it and saved the United States. Actually, quite smart of the Republicans. Have Fox put on a TV show which
educates the masses on torture.
[...] FOX NEWS PUNDITS: TORTURE A-OK! [...]
A Hollywood fantasy show serves as the moral compass for the Bush administration?
Somehow that is fitting for the Delusional Decider and his bunch of merry tailors concoting the emporer's latest and greatest frock.
I would love to head slap Bill Kristol while he's being water boarded in a walk-in freezer. That would make my day!
I've never actually watched a full episode of 24, but I wonder if they actually had an episode where Jack Bauer actually tortured the wrong guy, who knew nothing or did anything wrong? You can bet that happens in real life.
Have they ever had an episode where the tortured person gave erroneous information sending them in the wrong direction either deliberately or just to put an end to the pain?
Since i'm not a religious person, i guess there is no point in my attempts at praying for some heavy, buring slab of space debris to fall from the sky and free this world of the onerous burden and toxic presence that is William Kristol.
fuck.
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