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As Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh and the right wing hate machine's jihad against SCHIP and 12 year old Graeme Frost blows up in their faces, Countdown host Keith Olbermann and Air America Radio's Rachel Maddow lay out what is without a doubt, the best framing of the latest and reprehensible episode for the Republican Party. Olbermann and Maddow give the GOP and their hordes a brilliant beating, Rachel sums it up perfectly:

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Maddow: "Twelve year old Graeme Frost, meet Cindy Sheehan, meet 9/11 widows, meet Staff Sgt. Brian McGough, meet Michael J. Fox, meet the kids who were targeted by Mark Foley, meet Jack Murtha. I mean, Graeme Frost as a twelve year old now joins an esteemed list of Americans who have been personally attacked, personally slimed, called liars and cowards and frauds, and threatened for daring to publicly espouse a view that the right disagrees with. I mean, just when you think you've found the person who they can't possibly slime, I don't know, say a twelve year old kid just out of a coma, turns out yeah, the bar does actually go that low, it's just astonishing."

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leftminded's picture

As long as childrens is learning, do we care if they're healthy. (snark)

Matt in Texas's picture

They couldn't afford private insurance, because "I know how hard it is to put food on your family."

Charles's picture

I'd take it as a badge of honor if I were attacked by the right.

greyhawk's picture

You would think Rush Limbaugh would want healthy childrem. Especially those who are in the Dominican Republic.

jeannie's picture

woohhooo

love the two of them...

Dom's picture

Here's what I wrote to CNN about their stupidly biased and incredibly wrong report on the Frost family controversy. John Roberts is such a tool for the RW. Oh, and let's see how much the MSM will be tarring Mitch McConnell for his shameless role in the matter. I hope these right-wing fuckwads choke blood on this one:

John Robert's recent report on the shameless harrassment of the Frost family tries to make the Democratic party the bad guys in this scenario, instead of blaming the right-wing nutcases who are using lies and innuendo to tar the family. When are you in the mainstream media going to learn that sometimes there are NOT two sides to every story? The right-wing Republicans are on the losing side of the SCHIP issue , and all they can do is attack a 12-year-old boy and his family, yet CNN does its best to defend Michelle Malkin and Rush Limbaugh and the rest as though they were the harbringers of truth. You should be ashamed. Why don't you just broadcast the logo for the Republican Party instead of the logo for CNN? It would truthfully show where your loyalties lie. They surely don't lie with the American public. And I guess that John Roberts still hasn't learned about what journalism is since he left CBS, has he? But maybe he really wants employment with FoxNews and is just using CNN as a springboard to a new job. You'd think that he would just TRY to hide his right-wing bias. I really hope they bring back the Fairness Doctrine so faux-reporters like him have to think about what they say instead of repeating right-wing talking points.

moniker's picture

I caught a clip of an angry Charles Manson the other day, and not only did he LOOK like Bush (except for the swastika tattoo), he SOUNDED like Bush. He was also an expert at attacking his perceived enemies.

kulshan's picture

and nothing will come of it either.

there will be some posts on various blogs, but thats it, the Democrats STILL dont have a spine.

and this is from the same ppl that have REPEATEDLY USED CHILDREN in politcal speeches/campaigns.

remember the "stem cell babies" (not their term,cant remember the catch phrase)that Bush paraded out in front of the cameras. He was getting alot of flack for opposing stem cell research, so HE brought out MANY CHILDREN.

Dont recall an outcry from Malkin on that one, oh and if ya wanna give her a piece of youre mind,,,,,,,,,go to this link, its interesting.

Oh screw it, forget the link, [deleted--we do not give out numbers on this site]
hopefully its still connected.lol.
Be polite,yet informative.

Afellow might find himself investigating as a "journalist".

In HER Bushes.

libdemKS's picture

I clicked the link to the Baltimore Sun story above and got to reading the comments. After seeing the rethugs in the blogosphere react to this, I think I need to find a way to rinse my brain out with bleach. One of them even tried saying that liberals are trying to create a fascist state and reinstitute slavery.

scrub scrub scrub

Or the really fantastic poster who suggested that they should be audited and then hanged. No messy arraignment, trial, sentencing or appeal if you noticed.

scrub scrub scrub

kulshan's picture

Now this is what I call a DeSPERATE GOP........

http://www.webloggin.com/national-enquirer-reports-on-alleged-john-edwar...

Are these people serious?? And you thought the Swift Boat "facts" were questionable.......

Dr. Matt's picture

Charles @ 3:

I'd take it as a badge of honor if I were attacked by the right.

I agree. Considering the reich-wing are wrong on EVERY issue, if you are attacked by these anti-American clowns you know you are the correct side.

zugzug's picture

Who is surprised? They don't care about poor people. They think people who are poor deserve it, and they derive their superiority from this belief. It is at the core of their non-relative close-minded view of the world.

These people have always been around, but until recently, they weren't given so much attention. That is the only difference.

Dr. Matt's picture

kulshan @ 8:

and nothing will come of it either.

there will be some posts on various blogs, but thats it, the Democrats STILL dont have a spine.

and this is from the same ppl that have REPEATEDLY USED CHILDREN in politcal speeches/campaigns.

remember the "stem cell babies" (not their term,cant remember the catch phrase)that Bush paraded out in front of the cameras. He was getting alot of flack for opposing stem cell research, so HE brought out MANY CHILDREN.

.

They were "snowflake babies" (or "snowflake children").

do-si-do's picture

I keep waiting for the American people as a whole to rise up and say "YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME." Just like when that fool editor was going to publish OJ's "confession".

The American People (Britney Spears and Michelle Malkin aside) still have some standard of decency...don't we?

Enough.

Simon White-Thatch Potentloins's picture

And who beside left wing pundits are attacking the GOP slime machine over this deplorable action? J

ust asking.

Curtilingus's picture

moniker @ 7:

I caught a clip of an angry Charles Manson the other day, and not only did he LOOK like Bush (except for the swastika tattoo), he SOUNDED like Bush. He was also an expert at attacking his perceived enemies.

Excellent parallel moniker.

Blue Buddha's picture

kulshan @ 10:

Now this is what I call a DeSPERATE GOP........

http://www.webloggin.com/national-enquirer-reports-on-alleged-john-edwar...

Are these people serious?? And you thought the Swift Boat "facts" were questionable.......

I wonder if they'll blame the MSM for not reporting the "important story" that Bat Boy endorses Hillary Clinton for president.

Peace's picture

My response to the right-wing's ridiculous attack on a 12 year old?

- What about the $10 trillion national debt?
- What about 47 million uninsured?
- What about an illegal oil war that's killed 1.2 million Iraqis?
- What about the end of Habeas Corpus?
- What about the President having his own private right-wing army?

Don't let them change the subject. Don't let them write the daily narrative. Just because they control almost all the corporate media we can't let them decide EVERY SINGLE DAY what Americans will be talking about. We can't fall into that trap. We must be smarter. And we must start buying our own mainstream media outlets so we're not on the DEFENSIVE every single day.

He who control the media controls the national conversation. He who controls the national conversation controls the country!

Space Coyote's picture

Maybe he was faking it, like Michael J. Fox.

Thing Fish's picture

Reynolds using kids for props when answering questions about Foley.

At least Reynolds was just using them as props...

Wolf Singer's picture

Keith & Rachel make a formidable news/commentary team who are spot on. Particularly on this overarching issue of the sickness that is the Republican mind.

I guess it was inevitable that after living for years in their privileged, twisted, evangelical neo-conservative holier-than-thou worlds, there was bound to be hoards of pedophiles, bathroom trollers, and related sociopath junk yard dogs wrapped in the flag and oozing up from the depths of human existence for the more reasonable among us to contend with.

God give us strength.

Propaganda Haikuist's picture

Conservatives heard
Christ had suffered the children
and His base was pleased

-:|:- -:|:- -:|:- -:|:-

Inherit the meek
If you can afford the tax
of true divine love

Dr. Matt's picture

libdemKS @ 9:

I clicked the link to the Baltimore Sun story above and got to reading the comments. After seeing the rethugs in the blogosphere react to this, I think I need to find a way to rinse my brain out with bleach. One of them even tried saying that liberals are trying to create a fascist state and reinstitute slavery.

scrub scrub scrub

Or the really fantastic poster who suggested that they should be audited and then hanged. No messy arraignment, trial, sentencing or appeal if you noticed.

scrub scrub scrub

I was brave enough to read some the hate spewed by the reich-winger comments; it's not hard to believe that reich-wingers still are denial even after facts and data completely refute every hateful point they attempted to make. All they do is just add another layer of foil.

Space Coyote's picture

moniker @ 7:

I caught a clip of an angry Charles Manson the other day, and not only did he LOOK like Bush (except for the swastika tattoo), he SOUNDED like Bush. He was also an expert at attacking his perceived enemies.

I saw a Manson interview a few months back and thought the EXACT SAME THING!!!!!

kulshan's picture

Dr. Matt @ 13:

kulshan @ 8:

and nothing will come of it either.

there will be some posts on various blogs, but thats it, the Democrats STILL dont have a spine.

and this is from the same ppl that have REPEATEDLY USED CHILDREN in politcal speeches/campaigns.

remember the "stem cell babies" (not their term,cant remember the catch phrase)that Bush paraded out in front of the cameras. He was getting alot of flack for opposing stem cell research, so HE brought out MANY CHILDREN.

.

They were "snowflake babies" (or "snowflake children").

bwaaaaah lmao

youre right.

and all white I imagine , right?

Blue Buddha's picture

Space Coyote @ 24:

moniker @ 7:

I caught a clip of an angry Charles Manson the other day, and not only did he LOOK like Bush (except for the swastika tattoo), he SOUNDED like Bush. He was also an expert at attacking his perceived enemies.

I saw a Manson interview a few months back and thought the EXACT SAME THING!!!!!

Now that I think about it, Manson does have that same stupefied boyish look of Bush. If he was cleaned up (ie: shave and haircut), he could easily pass as a Bush brother.

kulshan's picture

Space Coyote @ 24:

moniker @ 7:

I caught a clip of an angry Charles Manson the other day, and not only did he LOOK like Bush (except for the swastika tattoo), he SOUNDED like Bush. He was also an expert at attacking his perceived enemies.

I saw a Manson interview a few months back and thought the EXACT SAME THING!!!!!

Dumbyas swastika is on his a.s.s. , where the skull&bones camp put it.

Dr. Matt's picture

kulshan @ 25:

Dr. Matt @ 13:

kulshan @ 8:

and nothing will come of it either.

there will be some posts on various blogs, but thats it, the Democrats STILL dont have a spine.

and this is from the same ppl that have REPEATEDLY USED CHILDREN in politcal speeches/campaigns.

remember the "stem cell babies" (not their term,cant remember the catch phrase)that Bush paraded out in front of the cameras. He was getting alot of flack for opposing stem cell research, so HE brought out MANY CHILDREN.

.

They were "snowflake babies" (or "snowflake children").

bwaaaaah lmao

youre right.

and all white I imagine , right?

It's hard to tell: http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6615/41908810bushgetty203b3cyk7.jpg

Max Power's picture

Unbelievable how reich-wingers in the US would even think of attacking a sick kid. I can't imagine even the worst of our righties here in Canada even thinking of such despicable behavior.
Of course, here in Canada there's not much debate about whether all children are entitled to health care.

Super Karate Monkey Death Car's picture

Don't forget the boy who was kidnapped, tortured, and held for years who they criticized for not running away. Further details of what the boy endured are now out, and O'Reilly et al. have yet more to be ashamed of.

These blowhards know that if what they say is exposed to a wide audience, not only will they be shunned, but so will those who still listen to their spewing hatred.

kulshan's picture

kulshan @ 8:

Oh screw it, forget the link, [deleted--we do not give out numbers on this site]
hopefully its still connected.lol.
Be polite,yet informative.

Afellow might find himself investigating as a "journalist".

In HER Bushes.

guess we'll have to settle for a link to the Right-winger that posted her nuumber....
[Deleted]

Chris from Ohio's picture

Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh and the likes are acting out with the desperation of someone who's about to lose the farm. They're time is coming to an end and they know it.

kulshan's picture

Super Karate Monkey Death Car @ 30:

Don't forget the boy who was kidnapped, tortured, and held for years who they criticized for not running away. Further details of what the boy endured are now out, and O'Reilly et al. have yet more to be ashamed of.

These blowhards know that if what they say is exposed to a wide audience, not only will they be shunned, but so will those who still listen to their spewing hatred.

thats why they dont tolerate alternative viewpoints to their hate-mongering , heres and example........

i.e. see "comment policy" on many right wing blogs.
why do reich-wingers hate Freedom of Speech.??

votingvet's picture

My 2 cents: Oh, if only the little boy had worm a flag lapel pin, this wouldn't have turned into such a mess.

Doobe Keebler's picture

That'll teach them smart-aleckey kids not to talk back to the Decider!

“And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them” (2 Kgs. 2:23-24).

Death of the Children of Bethel
by Laurent de La Hyre, Musee des Beaux-Arts, Arras, France

kulshan's picture

Chris from Ohio @ 32:

Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh and the likes are acting out with the desperation of someone who's about to lose the farm. They're time is coming to an end and they know it.

I guess that would explain the GOP and Reich-wing attempt to smear Dem Presidential candidate with NATIONAl Inquirer articles??

http://www.webloggin.com/national-enquirer-reports-on-alleged-john-edwar...

Ron's picture

A repug that I know tried to tell a group of us that it was a democratic congress that got us the prescription drug plan with the donut hole. I told him he was nuts. Tell me if I'm wrong because I'm not sure how it was passed. The rest of group agreed with me.

tyree's picture

Peace @ 18:

My response to the right-wing's ridiculous attack on a 12 year old?

- What about the $10 trillion national debt?
- What about 47 million uninsured?
- What about an illegal oil war that's killed 1.2 million Iraqis?
- What about the end of Habeas Corpus?
- What about the President having his own private right-wing army?

Don't let them change the subject. Don't let them write the daily narrative. Just because they control almost all the corporate media we can't let them decide EVERY SINGLE DAY what Americans will be talking about. We can't fall into that trap. We must be smarter. And we must start buying our own mainstream media outlets so we're not on the DEFENSIVE every single day.

He who control the media controls the national conversation. He who controls the national conversation controls the country!

murdoc controls it all

mondovideo's picture

OK, ok....how do we shut down these people? I mean, in practical terms? What can an average schmo do? When we have this screeching harpie and those of like ilk talking about "perfecting" those of other faiths, I mean where or when we do we just say enough, this shall not go on....? I'm asking. It only seems to inflate it more when the attack come back at them as vitriol, like they want, so how do we go about this?

MargeAggedon's picture

Remember, when dealing with conservotards, lies are truth, evil is good and hate is love.

IgnoranceIsNotBliss's picture

I think the President himself needs to publicly trounce his party for this kind of bullshit. If he can publicly denounce the MoveOn advertisement, he needs to publicly denounce this shameful tactic from his own party.

George_Metetsky's picture

Dom @ 6:

Here's what I wrote to CNN about their stupidly biased and incredibly wrong report on the Frost family controversy. John Roberts is such a tool for the RW. Oh, and let's see how much the MSM will be tarring Mitch McConnell for his shameless role in the matter. I hope these right-wing fuckwads choke blood on this one:

John Robert's recent report on the shameless harrassment of the Frost family tries to make the Democratic party the bad guys in this scenario, instead of blaming the right-wing nutcases who are using lies and innuendo to tar the family. When are you in the mainstream media going to learn that sometimes there are NOT two sides to every story? The right-wing Republicans are on the losing side of the SCHIP issue , and all they can do is attack a 12-year-old boy and his family, yet CNN does its best to defend Michelle Malkin and Rush Limbaugh and the rest as though they were the harbringers of truth. You should be ashamed. Why don't you just broadcast the logo for the Republican Party instead of the logo for CNN? It would truthfully show where your loyalties lie. They surely don't lie with the American public. And I guess that John Roberts still hasn't learned about what journalism is since he left CBS, has he? But maybe he really wants employment with FoxNews and is just using CNN as a springboard to a new job. You'd think that he would just TRY to hide his right-wing bias. I really hope they bring back the Fairness Doctrine so faux-reporters like him have to think about what they say instead of repeating right-wing talking points.

Ab-so-toot-lee. Nothing Is True- Everything Is Fair And Balanced. Well done!

George_Metetsky's picture

Propaganda Haikuist @ 22:

Conservatives heard
Christ had suffered the children
and His base was pleased

-:|:- -:|:- -:|:- -:|:-

Inherit the meek
If you can afford the tax
of true divine love

"Suffer the children to com unto me...and never mind what they cost."-HST

Ricky Bones's picture

Who was the politician that surrounded himself with kids so that he could avoid being asked about some sexual scandal? It was like he used them as a human shield to avoid any tough questions.

Anyone know?

reyvn's picture

Can I just say, I think that it's insulting to the Islamic faith to refer to these cruel and inhuman acts by the Right as "Jihad". In the same way that it is insulting when UBL uses that term when specifically targeting innocents. Both of their acts aren't worthy of the honor of the label of a righteous and holy struggle.

Mr. Pelicano's picture

Perhaps the following reminder to Mr. Limbaugh and Ms. Malkin of what happens to fascists when justice finally arrives.

http://extremecatholic.blogspot.com/images/mussolini-corpse.jpg

DaveM's picture

The ironic thing is, this anger is supposedly due to their belief that the family received fraudulent benefits, or they think program is wasteful spending etc..

So, where is the Rethug rage at 12 Billion in cash lost in iraq?

hug the moon's picture

Logan,
With respect...
Your use of the word jihad brings up another topic. Using terror terms to describe the actions of American activity. This seems very fox news-ish to paint a non islamic militant as being just that.

Is this fighting fire with fire? I see happening all the time with the right's portrayal of the left. Who can forget Bush defining Kerry with "Can run but can't hide" the same use of the Bin Laden slogan. Thus tethering Kerry to OBL.

I see the political purpose of using this technique. Still, I think it is a shame.

With respect and kindness.

nonbeliever's picture

greyhawk @ 4:

You would think Rush Limbaugh would want healthy childrem. Especially those who are in the Dominican Republic.

*hurls*

And to think people like this gluttonous, drug addled hypocrite are supposed to be a standard bearer of morality in this country. Good grief.

Paul's picture

I would have thought that a self-hating closeted gay like Mitch McConnel would think twice before participating in something like this. He would never be able to withstand the personal scrutiny. Talk about living in a glass house and casting stones.

No W Now's picture

Is there a way to find out if any of the "snowflake babies" that Maddow and others have mentioned are, or rather were on S-CHIP?

mrsisk's picture

Maddow's really good in this clip. She actually stays more on the issue and off name-calling than Olbermann does. Good job!

Jano's picture

Again there is a point not to be missed in this travesty. Rush Limbaugh is using your airwaves to spew this venom without any obligation on the part of the stations who air it to provide time for an opposing view. How anyone could call that free speech is beyond me. You own the airwaves but the right controls the content. We need a new Fairness Doctrine that requires that opposing views are given an opportunity to be heard. Station owners should be judged on this at license renewal time.

Tommy's picture

Maddow is the anti-Coulter - MSNBC needs to give her a show of her own. She is wasted on AM.

gfhfh's picture

kulshan @ 33:

Super Karate Monkey Death Car @ 30:

Don't forget the boy who was kidnapped, tortured, and held for years who they criticized for not running away. Further details of what the boy endured are now out, and O'Reilly et al. have yet more to be ashamed of.

These blowhards know that if what they say is exposed to a wide audience, not only will they be shunned, but so will those who still listen to their spewing hatred.

thats why they dont tolerate alternative viewpoints to their hate-mongering , heres and example........

i.e. see "comment policy" on many right wing blogs.
why do reich-wingers hate Freedom of Speech.??

This very site has the exact same type of policy

[No, this site does not. Suggest you actually READ the Commenting Policy-Sitemonitor]

Court Jester's picture

Here's a challenge to Ricky Bones, GOP Troll:

Find me a reference to any left-leaning websites that posted articles attacking the "snowflake children" or proudly boasted of checking out the families to see if they really *were* from "rescued" embryos.

Alternatively, when Bush used the story of "Ashley Faulkner", whose mother was killed on 9/11, during his 2004 re-election campaign, did any left-leaning sites stake out her home and find out if she *really* was emotionally closed until her magical visit with Bush?

Of course not. The issue is NOT whether politicians sometimes use children as props - it's the ghoulish idea that it's okay to hound this family because their story was used in a political event. Used to try to appeal to the humanity of the audience.

I guess they overestimated the humanity of many of the GOP supporters. It's time for a new term: "Callous Conservatism"

Turk Meister's picture

One can only hope Limbaugh, Malkin and the rest of their ilk will have a McCarthy moment really soon. Of course, if attacking a defenseless 12 year old and his family doesn't do it, what will?

Mr. Welch: You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

ysbaddaden's picture

Wait for it, the reichwingers who are quaking in their booties over a 12 year old will soon be claiming we're quoting them out of context.

And Matt Lauer will be shaking his head in disgust over us loony tooners.

ysbaddaden's picture

greyhawk @ 4:

You would think Rush Limbaugh would want healthy childrem. Especially those who are in the Dominican Republic.

He's only interested in boys.

RH's picture

I am laughing at how these republican pundits from Bill "sex phone addict" Oreilly, Sean "multi-millionare/fake common man" Hannity, Rush "drug addict/draft dodger" Limbaugh, Laura "frigid lost her man too a liberal" Ingram, Michelle "anchor baby" Malkin, Ann "wicked with of the right wing" Coulter, cannot spin their way out of a paper bag anymore, truly they all ought too have a army of right papparazzi chasers following them 24/7, photographing them in all their scandalous behaviours selling same too the tabloids for 6 figure amounts as the hollywood papparazzi do, truly a economic boom is being missed here on this right wing pundits they are like hollywood stars, but just the stars for the right wing..., they are television personalities, and one can bet the tabloids would pay plenty for the dirt on any one of them...! Ann Coulter commented just a few days ago she was afraid of how the left was going after them, and mentioned "bondage sex" as a idea, did she give a hint at her vice? No wonder Bill Oreilly liked her so much till she put her foot in the mouth statement on the 9/11 widows..., Michelle Malkin has done a 9/11 widows moment with her stalking the 12 year boys home, creeping around like some perverted peeping tom, or should we say peeping jane...! Well the old saying is the sun does not shine on one dogs tail all the time it has too shine on some other dogs tail some of the time is true..., they have had their hey day in the sun and it is about too get dark for them..., and they are going insane with their desperation too stop the inevitable..

LaFajita's picture

Second the TV show. Hopefully, Rachel gets a chance to guest-host or replace some of these opinion-mongering shoutfests (and that includes your show, Tucker). It's a real treat to see a smart woman being smart on TV.

ysbaddaden's picture

kulshan @ 8:

and nothing will come of it either.

there will be some posts on various blogs, but thats it, the Democrats STILL dont have a spine.

and this is from the same ppl that have REPEATEDLY USED CHILDREN in politcal speeches/campaigns.

remember the "stem cell babies" (not their term,cant remember the catch phrase)that Bush paraded out in front of the cameras. He was getting alot of flack for opposing stem cell research, so HE brought out MANY CHILDREN...

Snowflake babies.

Court Jester's picture

Sorry, "gfhfh" no. I shouldn't be surprised that someone with your lack of imagination (name = "gfhfh") would also lack the ability to distinguish between two very different approaches to comments.

Most of the RightWing sites I've had the misfortune of visiting require that you LOGIN, i.e. set up an account or profile, before you can leave a comment. Many actually edit/censor their comments on a regular basis.

Here, you're asked to give a name and an email, which as you've proved yourself, don't have to be valid. You don't have to register, or clear your comment with the Commisar of Approved Thought.

So, yeah, I guess in your world, where all typing is done with the one available hand, all extra typing is bad.

hug the moon's picture

Court Jester @ 63:

Sorry, "gfhfh" no. I shouldn't be surprised that someone with your lack of imagination (name = "gfhfh") would also lack the ability to distinguish between two very different approaches to comments.

Most of the RightWing sites I've had the misfortune of visiting require that you LOGIN, i.e. set up an account or profile, before you can leave a comment. Many actually edit/censor their comments on a regular basis.

Here, you're asked to give a name and an email, which as you've proved yourself, don't have to be valid. You don't have to register, or clear your comment with the Commisar of Approved Thought.

So, yeah, I guess in your world, where all typing is done with the one available hand, all extra typing is bad.

Please don't attack people for their imagination or lack thereof. That is like turning music into a competition. Gfhfh is right. All sites have guidelines. You have to register now at think progress and huffpo.

Court jester, try writing some objectionable off topic comments on this site and see how quickly they get deleted. Not always, but often. Americablog same thing. They are within their rights to do so. The site moniters are keeping things relevant and weeding out noise. The site moniters will explain why a comment was deleted.

Keep up the good work C&L and thanks for not making us register to participate.

With respect and kindness.

Dancer's picture

Of course Rachel sums it up PERFECTLY...so why are we listeners to AAR tortured with LIONEL every morning (some old, retired folks can listen to the radio during the day)...and then when Rachel comes on we're into evening news programming. BUMMER...plus we like her appearances on the cable news shows...and, WHY is it that we actually have the thinking, articulate, sensible (and kinder and gentler too) folk over here on the nasty old left????

jr's picture

Rachel could beat the wrong wingers in her sleep. Nobody on their side will ever be on her level

BaScOmBe's picture

snowflake babies!

BaScOmBe's picture

Dancer @ 65:

Of course Rachel sums it up PERFECTLY...so why are we listeners to AAR tortured with LIONEL every morning (some old, retired folks can listen to the radio during the day)...and then when Rachel comes on we're into evening news programming. BUMMER...plus we like her appearances on the cable news shows...and, WHY is it that we actually have the thinking, articulate, sensible (and kinder and gentler too) folk over here on the nasty old left????

don't you just love it! :)

Unsean's picture

gfhfh @ 55:

kulshan @ 33:

Super Karate Monkey Death Car @ 30:

Don't forget the boy who was kidnapped, tortured, and held for years who they criticized for not running away. Further details of what the boy endured are now out, and O'Reilly et al. have yet more to be ashamed of.

These blowhards know that if what they say is exposed to a wide audience, not only will they be shunned, but so will those who still listen to their spewing hatred.

thats why they dont tolerate alternative viewpoints to their hate-mongering , heres and example........

i.e. see "comment policy" on many right wing blogs.
why do reich-wingers hate Freedom of Speech.??

This very site has the exact same type of policy

Are you implying that C & L doesn't allow opposing viewpoints? I personally haven't seen any example (though perhaps I wouldn't) of any policy of not allowing differing viewpoints, though that is not to say that the posters here would allow such comments to go unchallenged.

The majority of the people that post here are, like reality, of a very liberal sort. So, if you decide to regurgitate some right-wing talking point, people will let you know of their displeasure in no uncertain terms.

Though that is by no means saying that C & L doesn't allow opposing viewpoints.

Sinch's picture

This is the link to the John Roberts piece (piece of S**T) on the Frost "controversy." It is totally devoid of any actual reporting and ends up with what amounts to a non-sequitor from the woman from the Politico.

Rachel Maddow is absolutely one of the best commentators out there, so smart, so articulate, and funny and warm.

willie's picture

one word can describe so many republicans.......EVIL.

Court Jester's picture

hug the moon @ 64:

... Gfhfh is right. All sites have guidelines. You have to register now at think progress and huffpo.

Court jester, try writing some objectionable off topic comments on this site and see how quickly they get deleted. Not always, but often. Americablog same thing. They are within their rights to do so. The site moniters are keeping things relevant and weeding out noise. The site moniters will explain why a comment was deleted.

All due respect, but gfhfh's claim was that C&L had the *exact* same policy as right-wing sites that require logging in. That is not a true statement.

Furthermore, the issue is not whether "all sites have guidelines" - yes they do. It was a claim that many, if not most, of the prominent right-leaning sites have a policy of deleting comments based on what they say, not how they say it.

There's a difference (to me at least) between having a comment removed that threatens violence against someone, or contains racist rants, or is otherwise clearly inflammatory; and what happens on sites like RS and LGF where comments get rejected because they simply disagree with the current groupthink. Similarly, I don't equate "off topic" with "off message.

AFAIK, opposing points of view are not routinely censored on the left-leaning sites I visit.

nm's picture

Although I like rachel maddow, I do find her to be extremely boring (too intellectual for 5 minute, hit and go tv)

Olbermann should find more interesting and engaging liberals to put on his show.

hug the moon's picture

Court Jester @ 72:

hug the moon @ 64:

... Gfhfh is right. All sites have guidelines. You have to register now at think progress and huffpo.

Court jester, try writing some objectionable off topic comments on this site and see how quickly they get deleted. Not always, but often. Americablog same thing. They are within their rights to do so. The site moniters are keeping things relevant and weeding out noise. The site moniters will explain why a comment was deleted.

All due respect, but gfhfh's claim was that C&L had the *exact* same policy as right-wing sites that require logging in. That is not a true statement.

Furthermore, the issue is not whether "all sites have guidelines" - yes they do. It was a claim that many, if not most, of the prominent right-leaning sites have a policy of deleting comments based on what they say, not how they say it.

There's a difference (to me at least) between having a comment removed that threatens violence against someone, or contains racist rants, or is otherwise clearly inflammatory; and what happens on sites like RS and LGF where comments get rejected because they simply disagree with the current groupthink. Similarly, I don't equate "off topic" with "off message.

AFAIK, opposing points of view are not routinely censored on the left-leaning sites I visit.

Nice clarity. To be fair, i have observed what you describe re: being off message on right wing blogs as well. It is creepy for sure.

With respect and kindness.

rduke's picture

Oh to be in love with the Maddow...

MY GOD I LOVE HER!!

But why?

I do not think it is just that she is gay and I cannot have it ..so I covet it...

No.. there are plenty of lesbians that I could care less about sharing my life and frolicking through dew laced meadows together in bliss together...

I think it is her laser beam like sanity... oh to nuzzle into her side and have her brush my hair to sooth away the bad dreams...

Rachel.. Rachel...

Kiva's picture

most of it very true...but

"meet the kids who were targeted by Mark Foley"

that was a stupid thing to say.....

ysbaddaden's picture

Republicans having a thoughtful debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs

neil's picture

Are any Democrats insisting that Republicans distance themselves from Michelle Malkin and the hateful things they are doing and saying against the Frosts?

If not, why not?

Max-1's picture

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Why do Republicans hate America?

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Max Power's picture

ysbaddaden @ 77:

Republicans having a thoughtful debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs

LOL!
thanks, y.

Court Jester's picture

A quick follow-up...

It seems to me that there is a unifying theme here that unites the right-wing comment policy and the attacks on the Frost family: intimidation.

The idea of having to register, I assume with an actual email and whatever (I've never registered!), seems to be a way of suppressing opposing comments. Do you really want to risk a flood of hate mail for daring to bring up a counter-argument? Remember the guy who was so enamoured with MM that he ended up sending fake anthrax to Olberman and others? The closest I've seen to a left-leaning stalker is Mike Stark - and I don't think what he did was stalking, but they do.

Similarly, the concerted attacks from the right like the current one on the Frost family are almost *never* based on facts. They are a scorched earth policy to deter the next person who is considering standing up and expressing their opinion (how *very* unAmerican!) I followed a link from C&L to Joe Gandleman's site. He seems to truly be a centrist, and the vitriol in the comments towards the Frosts was truly chilling.

Those who challenge this administration must be destroyed, if only as an object lesson to others. How sick.

I extend to gfhfh the same challenge that I offered to Ricky Bones in #56

FunMe's picture

I love Rachel!

When debating she's always calm, cool & collected. She states her points really well. And with a smile. YES, she should have her own show!

In this interview, it really more somber. Truly it was in line with the SADNESS of how this 12 year old child is being treated.

The sadness more than anything it says about the humanity, or lack thereof, that exists in most republicons. I believe they will get their KARMA ... big time, just you wait and see.

ysbaddaden's picture

Max Power @ 80:

ysbaddaden @ 77:

Republicans having a thoughtful debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dm9rN6oTs

LOL!
thanks, y.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9EdZUjPhm4

Powkat's picture

Am I a bad person because I absolutely despise those spoiled old white men in Congress? They attack children, steal money for their friends, whine about having to work a 5 day week, lecture on morality while sexually involved with women (or men) NOT their wives, and obstruct any legislation that does not provide some kind of benefit for them or their cronies. They seem to feel that the office of Senator (or Congressman) belongs not to the people, but to themselves; witness Joe Lieberman and Larry Craig, refusing to leave when their party and their constituents have made it clear that it is time to go.

They are a disgrace to the office they hold and to a once honorable institution. Getting them out of office doesn't stop them - they become lobbyists and return to spread the same corruption. It's time to begin naming them as the criminals they are at heart, if not yet at law.

Don Lowell's picture

Not only are republican skinflints they are evil!! Mitch McConnell is one of the worst!!

Lindy

whomod's picture

I really wish Olbermann hasn't used the suicide bomber analogy. We just spent the last week attacking Limbaugh for that and here comes Olberamann using the same comparison. Now I know if I show this video in arguments, I'm going to spend just as much time discussing THAT and the inevitable charges of "hypocrisy"as much as the issue itself.

Cringe worthy. It marred an otherwise great clip.

Tim's picture

Maddow could have added the name of Terri Shivo's husband as someone slimed by the right.

blackjack's picture

Do? all republicans live under rocks because that is where you find all the slime.

Greg's picture

The more I hear about this the more disgusted I get. McConnell should be investigated for actions unbecoming of a human being. The depths that the right has sunk is amazing even for them. Remember one thing though, don't ever say General Betrayus, that's just over the line.

gutemacht's picture

gfhfh @ 55:

kulshan @ 33:

Super Karate Monkey Death Car @ 30:

Don't forget the boy who was kidnapped, tortured, and held for years who they criticized for not running away. Further details of what the boy endured are now out, and O'Reilly et al. have yet more to be ashamed of.

These blowhards know that if what they say is exposed to a wide audience, not only will they be shunned, but so will those who still listen to their spewing hatred.

thats why they dont tolerate alternative viewpoints to their hate-mongering , heres and example........

i.e. see "comment policy" on many right wing blogs.
why do reich-wingers hate Freedom of Speech.??

This very site has the exact same type of policy

[No, this site does not. Suggest you actually READ the Commenting Policy-Sitemonitor]

Really? So posting a comment disagreeing with the writers of this site WONT get you banned/deleted? My personal experience says otherwise.

Weaseldog's picture

gutemacht @ 91:

Really? So posting a comment disagreeing with the writers of this site WONT get you banned/deleted? My personal experience says otherwise.

I do it all the time.

gutemacht's picture

Weaseldog @ 92:

gutemacht @ 91:

Really? So posting a comment disagreeing with the writers of this site WONT get you banned/deleted? My personal experience says otherwise.

I do it all the time.

Eh, it seems everytime that I mention a factual error in their posts, and encourage them to fix it, it's an instant delete/ban.

Acanthus's picture

The only think I didn't like about that video was Keith's description of these low-lifes as "the far right". They are not the far right. They are garden-variety conservatives.

Max Power's picture

Acanthus @ 94:

The only think I didn't like about that video was Keith's description of these low-lifes as "the far right". They are not the far right. They are garden-variety conservatives.

Yes, good point. KO should be careful not to sound like O'Reilly, who constantly refers to Media Matters and MoveOn as "far left." You do wanna sound better than the Bildo.

Timothy D_11's picture

Dancer @ 65:

Of course Rachel sums it up PERFECTLY...so why are we listeners to AAR tortured with LIONEL every morning (some old, retired folks can listen to the radio during the day)...and then when Rachel comes on we're into evening news programming. BUMMER...plus we like her appearances on the cable news shows...and, WHY is it that we actually have the thinking, articulate, sensible (and kinder and gentler too) folk over here on the nasty old left????

I understand that you like Rachel but please don't knock Lionel - the guy is EXTREMELY witty, bright, articulate and funny - he fits in quite well in the AAR lineup.

Having said that I wish they had Bill Press and Ed Schultz somewhere in there too.

Nick's picture

it’s just astonishing

Not really

Timothy D_11's picture

gutemacht @ 93:

Weaseldog @ 92:

gutemacht @ 91:

Really? So posting a comment disagreeing with the writers of this site WONT get you banned/deleted? My personal experience says otherwise.

I do it all the time.

Eh, it seems everytime that I mention a factual error in their posts, and encourage them to fix it, it's an instant delete/ban.

gutemacht @ 93:

Weaseldog @ 92:

gutemacht @ 91:

Really? So posting a comment disagreeing with the writers of this site WONT get you banned/deleted? My personal experience says otherwise.

I do it all the time.

Eh, it seems everytime that I mention a factual error in their posts, and encourage them to fix it, it's an instant delete/ban.

gutemacht @ 93:

Weaseldog @ 92:

gutemacht @ 91:

Really? So posting a comment disagreeing with the writers of this site WONT get you banned/deleted? My personal experience says otherwise.

I do it all the time.

Eh, it seems everytime that I mention a factual error in their posts, and encourage them to fix it, it's an instant delete/ban.

The fact that you're still here proves that you're full of $#!T at least about the ban part...unless you troll with multiple e-mails.

Even then they are probably able to ban you from your IP address...so apparently you're being less than truthful.

Timothy D_11's picture

Mods, would you kindly fix post 98?

:)

tina's picture

Only the weak, ignorant, stupid and hypocritical go after the messenger.

Oh yeah, no wonder the Republicans keep doing it.

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Shared Humanity's picture

Thing Fish @ 20:

Reynolds using kids for props when answering questions about Foley.

At least Reynolds was just using them as props...

That's true, many Republicans use children as sex toys.

sulphurdunn's picture

The right wing has no credibility or moral authority, just hate and falsehood. Those are the cards they will continue to play because they have no others.

Otay's picture

Olbermann:

Why are they (GOP watercarriers and McConnell) not held responsible...for these attacks on a kid and his family which have included death threats against them?

Maddow:

Their refusing to comment is now not enough, particularly when we have evidence that senate staffers were circulating some of this trash and particularly now that the senate and the house are on the record condemning criticism of a general...but wounded war veterans and literally disabled kids are fair game.

Bravo, Rachel. You get it. Apparently much of our congress has no clue nor the spine to condemn where condemnation is justified. They find it perfectly acceptable for the political elite to lie about and provide info which lead to threats against a disabled kid, but once the unwashed citizenry dare become uppity enough to criticize the job performance of a government employee (paid for by the citizens I might add), a politically appointed general, then watch out - now the gloves are off.

fuddled's picture

I challenge all the politicians who voted against the SCHIPS bill to cancel their government employee health insurance plan.

Scott's picture

Just another example of the twisted mind set of the far, and not so far right, of this country. Personally I know we don't SCHIP or any other program like it. We need single payer health care now, not tomorrow and not next week or next year or next decade. Now, this insane crap has to end. Health care is literally killing this country in more ways than just our physical health but in our social and economic well being. This charade of "it's not politically feasible" must be exposed for what is, a lie and nothing else. 65% of this country wants government guaranteed health care for every citizen and is willing to pay higher taxes for it.

Big Onion's picture

Why doesn't Rachel have own TV show yet? I just don't understand TV execs. Rachel Maddow is to political commentary as Neil Peart is to percussion.

realnoid's picture

They do it because they want to show how powerful they are
and they do it because they know they can get away with it.

They got away with the anthrax letters and in doing so they
got away with murder. Anything else is easy.

StCyrlyMe's picture

These people have to go

ysbaddaden's picture

Big Onion @ 107:

Why doesn't Rachel have own TV show yet? I just don't understand TV execs. Rachel Maddow is to political commentary as Neil Peart is to percussion.

I think you just answered your own question, Neil who?

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