Video: Meeting Resistance - Know Thine Enemy
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Oct 16, 2007 4:49pm
This video clip from the upcoming, award winning film from Steve Connors and Molly Bingham, Meeting Resistance, portrays a side of the Iraqi insurgency President Bush doesn't want the world to see.
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President Bush wants the world to believe that most of the attacks on our troops are coming from members of al Qaeda, but as the film shows, that is far from the case. The insurgents featured in this film are ordinary citizens who are resisting the occupation of their country by a foreign army -- which is exactly what Americans would do were we to befall the same fate. Meeting Resistance has been shown to military personnel in Iraq in hopes of giving them a better understanding of the insurgency and the people behind it. ABC documented the experience, interviewing troops after watching the film and its message seems to have gotten through.
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Synopsis: What would you do if your country was invaded? MEETING RESISTANCE raises the veil of anonymity surrounding the Iraqi insurgency by meeting face to face with individuals who are passionately engaged in the struggle, and documenting for the very first time, the sentiments experienced and actions taken by a nation's citizens when their homeland is occupied. Voices that have previously not been heard, male and female, speak candidly about their motivations, hopes and goals, revealing a kaleidoscope of human perspectives. Featuring reflective, yet fervent conversations with active insurgents, MEETING RESISTANCE is the missing puzzle piece in understanding the Iraq war. Directed by Steve Connors and Molly Bingham, this daring, eye-opening film provides unique insight into the personal narratives of people involved in the resistance, exploding myth after myth about the war in Iraq and the Iraqis who participate. Through its unprecedented access to these clandestine groups, MEETING RESISTANCE focuses the spotlight on the "other side," leaving the viewer with clarity as to why the violence in Iraq continues to this day.
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Thanks for the post.
uuuuh!...... Frist
dang.
I have said it from day one...
Al Quada in Iraq is a Fabrication... as much as Al -CIAduh is period...
Anyone can call themselves Al-quada.. and you can call anyone that..
Does not change the fact that who we are fighting in Iraq... is IRAQI people...
FFS... even the military acknowledged that outside foreign fighters made up like 3% at most of who they were facing..
A perfect example of occupation over a long period of a Country. Hawai'i! The American overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawai'i, a legal Constitution Monarchy, recognised by England, France, etc., and the U.S. with treaties. But, as with everything American, they wanted Hawai'i so the Marines brought guns through peaceful Honolulu marched to the Royal Palace placed the Queen under arrest and took over and declared a Republic. Banning the native language, hula, and culture. And, lastly, I am not Kanaka Maoli, but British Kama'aina here in O'ahu finally learning the shameful ol' truth. Iraq is another Hubris!
:)
Rats. Damn slow computer...
Well one things certain, we now know more about war, discontent, and hard times then we do peace, happiness, and prosperity don't we.
This explains the plaintive note of desperation under the admin's use of the (IMO, bullshit) phrase: "al Qaeda in Iraq". I believe that there are terrorists in Iraq. I believe that al Qaeda continues to exist, where not enough resources are deployed to actually do what the war pornographers and profiteers promised (and now can't, since the Excellent Iraq Adventure was too much of a cash-money and power-grabbing opportunity to resist.)
However, now that not even Bush's drooling, credulous 29% buys the line that "we need to fight the terrorists over there so we don't have to fight them over here," it has been replaced with the insistence that the continuing (and needless) occupation is to fight "al Qaeda in Iraq" -- cause, you know, Saddam really did do 9-11 and there really were WMDs pointed at Cletus and Churleen Dumbass in Dumbfuck USA ... and still are, when we phrase it like that. IOW, we can still extract weak-assed lemonade out of this squeezed out mouldy old lemon if we try hard enough.
(It's still scaring Dems, anyway, which does count for something.)
AP - 9 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Pentagon is preparing to alert eight National Guard units that they should be ready to go to Iraq or Afghanistan beginning late next summer.
In 2003, I asked a Republican acquaintance how he thought Americans would react should an army of Muslims invade and occupy the United States. He had no idea what I was driving at.
"Not the same," says he.
"Huh?" says I.
To be Republican is to be brain dead.
Occupation of another people's land will never end well for the occupiers. One can call the 13 colonies "terrorist states", or the Iraqi resistance "insurgency" or the French resistance "terrorists" or Palestinians "terrorists". None of the labels change the fact that people will defend their right to be free at all cost.
The people hate America!!!
Oh wait. . . they really do.. .
Iraq's as shitty as ever while Anderson Cooper and O'Reilly talk about the "good news!"
Long slow slide to the bottom isn't it?
From the first video
Damn damning.
I'm so glad this film has been made. The Iraqi people deserve to have their truth out in the open. They have been made to suffer with not only our military there but groups like blackwater too. They hardly have a chance against so many guns and the death toll for Iraqis proves it.
Imagine our military being told to fight us, you and me. Then toss in blackwater other security organizations too. Would we fight back? Damned straight!
In a double-edged sword for the Bush administration, Monday's Washington Post reports that the Pentagon believes it has dealt "devastating and perhaps irreversible blows to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months." But with the good news surrounding Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), responsible for only a small fraction of the attacks against U.S. forces and Iraqi civilians, comes the Catch-22 for President Bush: the very dissipation of the Al Qaeda threat in Iraq removes his primary rationale for extending the American presence there.
For the details, see:
"Bush's Catch-22 on Al Qaeda in Iraq."
I would expect if America was attacked...for Republicans to bend over :)
for people who can't see this, i ask them--if - let's say china - came here to get rid of all of the WMDs, got rid of our despot leader, destroyed infrastructure in all the major cities, sent the army home, let the criminals and looters run rampant through the streets for days, have hired hands who ride around on the interstate randomly shooting and killing drivers-but, it was a mistake-about the 874th mistake, torture your fellow citizens who may or may not be bad guys, gak i could go on and on--i often do too.
point is,,,if this was happening here; what would you do?
what would people in canada and mexico, who cared about their neighbors, do?
i'm a -well not old lady but not new lady either-i know where i'd be--out in the garage building bombs for my nephews and son and sons in laws and cousins. if i get blown up-eh-i'd be doing something. people in iraq see people who are going about their business getting blown up every day. might as well get rubbed out for a reason.
Maybe the film will inspire the American Public to revolt and take America Back.
Wouldn't that be something?
Patriot Actor @ 19:
They have a plan for continuity of government.
L.A. Confidential @ 10:
Two of the units will be full combat brigades heading to Iraq — between next summer and into 2009, to serve as part of the rotation with active duty troops.
Lets look tough for the elections.
What a demented moron!! The sad thing about this man, more accurately Republican Fascist, is he was elected twice (oops correct that...court appointed the first time) by a majority of the American people.. How can they be so ignorant is beyond me - maybe they're getting what they deserve! Damn Fools!!
Geez talk about a powerful statement to the obvious.
The Iraq War has gone from abject failure to sick fucking joke. The War for New Texas pitting Big Oil/ OPEC versus Neocon/ oil privatization think tank cowards unfortunately, will not go away anytime soon. And neither will the Iraqi's. The never ending war for control of the globes most valued resource and the Iraqi struggle to just protect home.
What really will be sad is what's in store for all Americans to see in 2008... No Democrat or Republican will stop this madness.
Imagine...citizens of another country being Patriotic.
Maybe they also imagine that God blesses them too!
Global Policy Forum report from July 2006, "War and Occupation in Iraq"
from the GPF report, War and Occupation in Iraq (from June, not July 2007)
al Qaeda was created by the CIA: http://tinyurl.com/zcp35
"Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is arabic colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet"?
Would hardened terrorists name their organization after a euphemism for taking a dump?
Bin Laden died December 26, 2001:http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/
What would you do if your country was invaded?
It is. It just doesn't look like it does in other countries.
The Bush and Clinton clans have been in power for 25 years along with the same old crew: Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. We have lost our manufacturing base so we have nothing to offer other nations; our dollar is worth a couple of cents; the gold is gone from Fort Knox (even senators aren't allowed in to see it); our infrastructure is in desparate condition; our highways built with our tax dollars are being sold to foreigners to be converted to toll roads; 38 million illegals from all over the world are here sucking up all our public service and emergency services; our debt to China is in the TRILLIONS; the North American Union and the Amero to replace our dollar is ready, Mainstream media is blocking the Ron Paul revolution everyway it can; and much, much, more.
If we don't impeach Bush and Cheney for war crimes, murder, and more we loose. It is simple as that. SheClinton is a vile, horrible person who will continue the rape of our freedoms.
Think about it: the have created "free speech zones" which limit our abiltiy to exercise our 1st amendment rights and there are no riots about it?? The democrats were given a mandate to end the war and stop the madness, and what happened?? They have been doing this since Clinton's 1996 legislation in the pseudo war on "terrorism."
We may not be loosing lives at the moment, but we are certainly loosing our ability to live.
What if this was your family?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/16/dad.blackwater/index.html
What would you do?
[...] is possibly the most important video you will see about the Iraq war, with Iraqi people from all walks of life explaining why they are fighting. And it all comes down [...]
the ABC reporter, in typical douchebag fashion says that the film was screened "for the most important audience of all... the US service men and women who are actually fighting the insurgency"
why does he adopt the language of the occupiers and war criminals ("insurgency")
why does he identify the american occupying forces as "important"?
why does he say that Coalition forces are "fighting," as opposed to, say, "genociding..."
Is it just coincidental that the bush admin. and Gen. P., as recently as THIS MORNING,
put out press releases indicating that "we have made significant headway in eliminating
Al Qaeda from Iraq and that the number of Al Qaeda have been reduced significantly".
I think not.....Their repeated stories(efforts and attempts) to blame most of the attacks/bombing on Al Qaeda have been just that..."stories/propoganda" and this film
now discloses such as phony-belony. I guess the Pentagon/bush feel that putting out
a press release will be further proof that the surge is/has worked; but that is just more
BS being disseminated.
Caught with their britches down and showing their asses...that's how I'd describe the
lies/deceit and misinformation coming out of this W/H and Pentagon.
Many of us "old fogies" who have spent time in the Mideast have been screaming this truth to anyone who would listen since 1958....
"Do NOT THINK THAT YOU CAN OCCUPY A MUSLEM COUNTRY WITH "CHRISTIAN" TROOPS AND EXPECT THAT "THEY" WILL ACCEPT SUCH OCCUPATION IN PEACE AND BROTHERHOOD....JUST ASK THE BRITS WHO HAVE TRIED IT OVER THE YEARS...HELL, ASK THE RUSSIANS....."
Then go back and REMEMBER what happened to us in NAM...and get your head out of your dumbass and get our troops the HELL OUTTA THERE AS SOON AS YOU CAN....
IF YOU DON'T, THEY WILL SOONER OR LATER GET SLAUGHTERED TO THE LAST MAN....
.....so GEORGE W. BUSH AND HIS GANG OF FOOLS can get richer, and have a "LEGACY"? Give us ALL a break and IMPEACH BUSH/CHENEY!
In other news:
BushCo has gone from "mushroom cloud" to trying to "trying to prevent WWIII." On NBC news tonight Bush was really beating the Iran war drums by claiming to be trying to prevent WWIII. Lie into Iraq then lie into Iran. BushCo is trying to position the GOP as the party to prevent WWIII while they do everything themselves to start it. Republican fearmongering just got turned up a notch.
Chapter 7: Killing Civilians, Murder and Atrocities
http://globalpolicy.igc.org/security/issues/iraq/occupation/report/7atro...
I must be becoming a minimalist in my old age. We need to just cut to the chase. Why are we even there? Greenspan made the point clear. It's all about the oil. There is a new movie coming out and it is one you shouldn't miss. It's called " A Crude Awakening". I suggest you check out the trailer. One of the best docudramas I've ever seen.
http://www.oilcrashmovie.com/dvd.html
Seriously, how could they NOT expect this to happen?
from the Global Policy Forum's June 2007 report, "War and Occupation in Iraq":
Chapter 7: Killing Civilians, Murder and Atrocities
Counterspin interview with report co-author Céline Nahory. Listen here
L.A. Confidential @ 23:
So another 20,000 Nat. Guard persons to be deployed to Iraq....with tours of duty to
be 9 months AFTER arriving, which is scheduled for the Summer of 2008; consequently
it certainly seems to me(if my math is correct), that bush intends to have at least a
minimum of 135K troops within Iraq until at least the Spring/Summer of 2009. And that
is a "troop reduction"????
Doggiebobo @ 41:
Also, if I heard the news report correctly, these 20,000 Nat. Guard person will be in
training for 6 months PRIOR to departing, so these individuals will once again be seperated
from their families for a minimum of 15 months(6 mos training and 9 months in Iraq) and
likewise, assuming many are employed, they will be required to depart their places of
employment for a like period of time.
We all know Al CIA DUH is just that. A CIA construct. Wouldn't it be nice if the next REAL president we get (if ever) were to make not only standing mercenary armies (with the ability to overthrow the USA) but the CIA itself, unlawful?
Dream on. I wish.
I am very glad this film was done. It seems when we "crazy liberals" tell the world that Iraqi (and Palestinian) people are NORMAL PEOPLE WITH FEELINGS JUST THE SAME AS US, they just can't understand that. I can't help wondering at what young age this ability to dehumanize others began?
It's a very important film. It tells the story once again why it is that WAR should end forever.
But Bush will NEVER END THE WAR BECAUSE HE REFUSES TO GIVE UP HIS WAR POWERS. He will never serve as a peacetime president, constrained by that GOD-DAMNED PIECE OF PAPER.
aL QUEDA HIM.
One thing ( though there were other things ) that struck me was the guy who mentions that the people fighting back, are mid too highly educated folks, and then says they are
all muslims. And that he didn't even know the way too the mosque before all of this.
Falls right in line with the bu(ll)shit talking points. Muslims are the enemy !!
FreeDUMB @ 39:
They knew full well, they also knew how to manipulate the few americans who would be against it and that most would support them.
L.A. Confidential @ 21:
That will never happen, to have a difference of opinion, to speak out against anything is "un-american" apparently, basically don't have the balls to do anything about it as well, Bush is still in the white house and not the big house, proof is in action not words.
pissed off patricia @ 17:
The truth has been there all the time, just because the masses choose the comforting lies doesn't make it any different.
Plisko @ 13:
Indeed and most of the world are getting behind them to support them id defending against this american invasion of Iraq, good luck to them I say, good luck to any defenders of their country from aggressive invaders.
america's standing in the world is down to the point where many europeans are saying
they hope that the people working in the green zone (republicans) get slaughtered.
Would Rush, BillO, Sean, Michelle or Ann watch a video like this or are they too busy trying to dig up dirt on babys and 12 year olds and their families.
Investigative reporter extraordinare Greg Palast says there's no Al-Qaeda in Iraq. That we're all being played for dupes. And the evidence he presents is compelling.
"...There ain't no Easter Bunny and "Al Qaeda" ain't in Iraq, Mr. Bush....So who are these guys,...Think of them as the Sopranos of Arabia...
But creepy and deadly or not, these capi of the desert were effective in eliminating "Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia." Indeed, as U.S. military so proudly pointed out...the moment the sheiks declared their opposition to Al Qaeda -- i.e., got the payments from the U.S. taxpayers -- Al Qaeda instantly diappeared.
This miraculous military change, where the enemy just evaporates, has one explanation: the sheiks ARE al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. Just like the Sopranos extract "protection" payments from New Jersey businesses, the mobsters of Anbar joined our side when we laid down the loot.
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/1309
Aaiieee, no wonder I've been swooning in a miasma of cognitive dissonance in reaction to everything BushCo has said or done in regard to Iraq, or any policy, foreign or domestic, for that matter.
Thanks for the excellent video! And God grant that someday this benighted country can in some way make amends to Iraqis for these unspeakable pain and destruction we've allowed these avaricious cretins to afflict on them.
End the occupation now!
Patriot Actor @ 19:
So... Larry Craig is just ahead of his time?
tr @ 46:
Indeed, and I honestly think it's going to go a lot lower, as that will plan into their hands.
"Oh look, every body is attacking us, we were right go back to sleep and we'll depend you".
The only permanent occupations that have never been thrown out are those occupiers willing to commit genocide (eg. North America, Tasmania, Tibet, etc.) regardless of the consequences.
What stops the US from committing genocide in Iraq is not a willingness to murder - we've seen that in the million or more dead Iraqis since 1993 - but, rather, in the knowledge that the occupier can get away with it.
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=22701
Hrm.. seems all points made in this video have been made repeatedly by a single lone voice running in the 2008 election.. who is he?
Can anyone say "OIL."
Ron @ 47:
None of them plus other neocons, even if given the opportunity to view free, would take
the time to watch. They are in that narrow minded, idiotic group of persons who, tho
having never viewed"An Inconvient Truth" or "Sicko", will continue to lambast and critize
Al Gore and M. Moore. Just tooooooo dumb and feeble minded and unwilling to face
reality; be it the war in Iraq, global warming or the crisis in the health insurance arena.
Plisko @ 13:
Which people? The ones whose families are being killed by the occupying force? The ones whose country has been taken over by foreigners? Think about it.
8. Ur-Fascism followers feel humiliated by the force of their enemies.
The followers of Ur-Fascism are convinced that they can overwhelm their enemies. But, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.
Fourteen Warning Signs of a Fascist State
-by Umberto Eco
Latest Poll: Bush favorable rating = 24 percent. Unfavorable = 76 percent
Hey you bunch of clowns in Congress; wake up and learn to do the math. WE want
you to end the war in Iraq now.
Doggiebobo @ 59:
And Impeach the war criminals.
Ellie at #9 says:
This explains the plaintive note of desperation under the admin’s use of the (IMO, bullshit) phrase: “al Qaeda in Iraq“. I believe that there are terrorists in Iraq.
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I'd like to know what people's definition of a terrorist is. Seems to me that Americans and Israelis are never called that.
Edwin @ 57:
Most of the world did that a while ago ....... long time overdue that americans did, or do something about it maybe.
Doggiebobo @ 59:
Source for poll ?
I think it's obvious who they listen to, and it's not the people or the polls.
A war ? I'd say an invasion and occupation, lets get the language straight as well. On that point insurgents ........ no lets try "People defending their country against invaders"
Jenny'O @ 20:
I'm with you in every way on this one... and I'm a not-so-new lady to boot!
Jerry @ 63:
Sorry do not know(was not listening closely) exactly which poll; just heard the results
twice today on CNN and MSNBC and read the poll results on Yahoo News.
Yep, I agree.."War" is not the proper termonology. I served in the Korean "conflict", so
that term is more appropriate for Iraq...caused by OUR invasion and occupancy.
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Lots of people have and even more are.
Doggiebobo @ 66:
Sorry do not know(was not listening closely) exactly which poll; just heard the results
twice today on CNN and MSNBC and read the poll results on Yahoo News.
Yep, I agree.."War" is not the proper termonology. I served in the Korean "conflict", so
that term is more appropriate for Iraq...caused by OUR invasion and occupancy.
There must be a competition to see who can get the worst on record or something !!! I think he must win hands down in american history so far or am I missing someone ? Satan was never voted it was he ? (well apart from being there at the moment in his current guise).
Vivek @ 33:
I think I have an answer to that one. They're important because without them, ones with guns who believe and obey, there'd be no one to send over to kill the Iraqis. If the full reality of what they're doing finally smacks them in the face, perhaps they would modify their behavior towards to do less damage and speak out about the futility and illegality of their presence in the country. From my understanding of the Vietnam era, the defection and dissaffection of US troops was enormous and with the pressure of civilians at home helped to end the war.
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This is exactly the reason why the VVAW [Vietnam Veterans Against the War] was formed and why the documentary Sir! No Sir! [the story of the GI resistance during the Vietnam War] was made and why Lt. Watada has refused to deploy to Iraq and why the IVAW [Iraq Veterans Against the War] came about, because they all realized that they could not in good conscience participate in an illegal and immoral war/occupation and to do so would make them complicit to potential war crimes. As Marjorie Cohn, head of the Lawyers Guild, and others, have correctly pointed out, the best way to have an occupation come to an end is to have it happen from within.
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Oh' that's precious. We'd certainly be sent to Gitmo then. That's a special kind of craziness you're talking there.
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Its amazing how Bush tells us Al-Quaeda is a shadowy enemy, almost impossible to identify. Yet they seem to spot them so easily in Iraq as though they have name badges and a membership card. Of course it's all Irans fault. Even though Al-Quada is the complete opposite religion to Iran and has sworn to destroy it. Not in the world of fox news though, they're al-quaedas number one supporters.
I also love the fact that 60% of foreign fighters are Saudi, Turkey is invading northern Iraq, and yet we have to invade Iran.
Jerry @ 68:
There must be a competition to see who can get the worst on record or something !!! I think he must win hands down in american history so far or am I missing someone ? Satan was never voted it was he ? (well apart from being there at the moment in his current guise).
At this particular point in time, bush has tied Nixon at the second lowest(24 percent)
approval rating. Carter, which is really hard for me to believe, has the lowest...23 Percent.
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No, they aren't the problem, the apathy of the US people and corruption of their country is I think. Don't treat the symptom, go after the cause.
What will it take for a true majority of us to call a spade a spade? george bush, dick cheney, and all the others who got us into this invasion/occupation of Iraq are WAR CRIMINALS.
They must be treated as such - charged, tried, convicted, and punished to the fullest extent of domestic and international law (er..... forget the "domestic" part - as that law has probably been changed to protect the guilty).
The administration is as insane as was Germany's Third Reich, and its leaders, and we as a country are largely behaving like the "good" Germans who did nothing to stop the insanity before it took over totally.
Biggy @ 76:
Be gone, troll.
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He's baiting you Jerry. He's an unsophisticated internet version of an agent provocateur. For US citizens to recklessly talk about raising money for a group the US military considers its enemy is tantamount to treason. He's waiting on someone in the thread to agree so he can then go to one of the rabid rightwing message boards to report that the leftist, Marxist, Nazi, Communists on C&L are actively trying to make sure America's 'brave men & women in uniform' lose the 'war in Iraq'.
Don't entertain his garbage.
[...] time ... except for dial up users ... for them it can be a pain so you guys are excused ... Video: Meeting Resistance - Know Thine Enemy This video clip from the upcoming, award winning film from Steve Connors and Molly Bingham, [...]
rduke @ 4:
I truly believe what you posted. My government (Canada) has been doing the same thing with regards to Afghanistan. Every Afghani killed has been listed as "Taliban" or "insurgents". If altogether our two nations have killed over a million people in Iraq and Afghanistan, that's a heckuva lot of "insurgents" and truly unbelievable by any count.
Get the F*CK out of Iraq now. It's their freaking country!
Great post. ty
"which is exactly what Americans would do were we to befall the same fate."
Damn rights Americans would. So would Canucks. Funny thing is I imagine the resitance would have its share of C&L' ers types because almost all of you very patriotic and love your country and want it to shine like your founding fathers dream of. Thats a good thing.
[Penguin, JPM doesn't mind you trolling at work on their IP? I thought I'd let you know, we're starting a collection of your witticisms to send to their abuse department. Enjoy the chat with your supervisor-Sitemonitor]
You have got to respect these people who, facing the most powerful military in the world, are willing to fight for their right to self determination.
We are a nation of war criminals.
rduke @ 4:
Someone Knows The Truth
The distortions are thick; the facts are buried, and the denial is beyond precedence. Al Qaeda in Iraq is a fabrication that I peaked from its conception back in May of this year:
Because of complexed deceptions, we don't know who is willing to tell the truth concerning Iraq. I like to use Micheal Ware as my example for this claim. Just when I thought we had a hero that would "tell it like it is," I ended up with just another mouth piece for the continuance of this war. As for "who" is telling the truth, I have resorted to a careful slow observation that still have flaws, but it works better then believing network TV commentators.
Now, the Bush folks want more war. They have all but eliminated Al Qaeda in Iraq, so they can now afford to move our troops to the next "axis of evil." Our country's denial we be the contributer to the next World War. The media, the congress, the senate and the people know what Bush is trying to do. However, the media, in service for the Republican party, have helped to destort the facts. It is almost like they are waving a denial candy bar in front of the American people saying "go ahead; you know you don't want to believe the truth."
As we now stand on the brink of WWIII, who will step up to the plate so we can take back the rational function of our actions? Will it be the media, who only concern seems to be sensationalism, and who is the most conservative? Will it be the congress, who suffers from a low approval rating falsely attributed to the Democrats by the media? Will it be the American people, who suffer everyday from lack of funding for their needs because we have diverted our nation's treasure to Iraq, where it cannot be accounted for? WILL SOMEONE STOP THE WAR CALL? It will not be President Bush.
Joseph
tr @ 46:
Vivek @ 33:
Remember the story about the scorpion and the frog?
Scorpion at the stream's edge says to the frog "How about carrying me across on your back?"
The Frog: "No, you will sting me and we will both die."
Scorpion: "No I won't."
Frog: "OK"
Halfway across the stream the Scorpion stings the frog in the neck."
As he is about to die the Frog: "Why did you sting me."
Scorpion, shrugging it's shoulders: "I'm a Scorpion, that's what we do."
Your answer: That is what reporters do, lie and bend the truth.
Sorry, something up with my fingers.
[fixed. Sitemonitor]
tr @ 46:
You can pin a medal on Bu$h.
He has exposed America for what it is.
Imperialistic, intolerant, ignorant and savage.
The world now understands and is willing to speak up.
What has happened to the voice of the American people?
gesellschaft @ 54:
(Hand waving wildly in the air) ME, ME, ask me...
Sit down Ron, we don't recognize you in the mainstream media. Now you in the drag outfit....
The Bush Legacy
"This must have been done by Nazis" (Senator Dick Durbin)
"Antithetical to what this country stands for" (Michael Mukasey)
Lynda from Australia @ 61:
The same way you treat the Abo's we treat and treated anyone of color around the world.
This is the use of newspeak: Reagan renamed Intercontinental Balistic Missles (ICBM's) into 'Peace Keepers. If you are a friend of DC you are a Military Leader, if you aren't you are a Military Strongman. If you are getting US money you are a freedom fighter, if you aren't you are a terrorist. The same for houses and 'compounds' etc. A hunter has ammunintion, but if he is a political activist he has an 'arm's cache.'
Two things that make me extremely pissed. #1 why are we only hearing about this documentary now when it has been out for months? #2 I checked the official website and some of the initial screenings in 2006 included QUANTICO MARINE BASE and WESTPOINT. What is maddening is that this shows that even the goddamn military is admitting this stuff now. Yet years ago when people revealed these truths they were called traitors and terrorist lovers. Goddamn, it makes me so outraged when now Bush's own people are starting to spin stuff like this was their discovery and it is a new tool "to win the GWOT". WTF??? Is a single person in the Administration ever going to apologize for the extreme mayhem, murder, chaos, and genocide they themselves have caused in Iraq?
Doggiebobo @ 64:
sorry dogybobo, but i thought you said you were 70 yrs old , how is it you served during the war since it ended in may of 53, just asking!
Americans are monsters, what else is new?
justabill @ 31:
On DailyKos, there a intense and powerful diary about it, an absolute must-read IMO: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/10/17/134725/74
Now would be a good time to re-release that neo-con movie from the '80s, Red Dawn. That movie portrayed a spontaneous American insurgency against Soviet/Cuban invader/occupiers of the United States. It's interesting how those right-wingers forgot about this film, it's lessons about the strength of guerrila warfare and how it eerily seemed to predict the American/British incursion in Iraq from the perspective of the resisters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_dawn
Every single time a Bushie talks about Iraq, it's always about fighting al Qaida. Never once have I heard them even mention anybody else. It's as if the local Iraqis do not exist, or as if they actually approve of a foreign nation led by fundamentalist Christians invading and occupying their Muslim homeland.
How stupid do they think we are?
Answer: Al Qaida, al Qaida, al Qaida. 9-11, 9-11, 9-11.
Imagine that, terrorist supporters here agreeing with the terrorist supporters at the New York Times. Color me SHOCKED!
#96...
color you BROWN!
Pee at #97, color you YELLOW!
The military should form their own resistance and just pick up and come home on their own. They take an oath to only follow lawful orders and this occupation is so illegal.
Makes me wonder how I'd respond if I saw a team of Blackwater mercenaries on my street.
Probably the same way my ancestors responded when they saw the British Soldiers coming.
Oh, wait, it IS the same thing...
Wasn't this the lesson we were supposed to learn in Vietnam?
Wouldn't it be nice if some day we gave a crap about the lives and motivations of actual people before we blow the hell out of their country and occupy it?
mls @ 102:
I believe you mean, "This war is so fucking illegal." (Cpl. Pat Tillman)
L.A. Confidential @ 22:
We will be and they do. And the attack is part of the plan, just like the first one was.
Old Billy @ 105:
I thought about quoting Pat Tillman, but I can not call it a war anymore. However the "fucking illegal" is still apropos.
Jenny'O @ 20:
Jenny, will you marry me?
It appears to me that our country has been invaded by a horde that is single-mindedly intent upon destroying it. Unlike Iraq, this is an invsion from within. Because it is an invasion from within, by a small minority - the neocons and the corporatists, their invasion seems largely unnoticed. Yet, the invaders have wreaked near total destruction of our Constitution, our cherished freedoms and liberties; they are desecrating human rights. They face no effective opposition. In so short a time, they have corrupted evey institution that the People established in our Constitution as the instruments and means of executing the Sovereign Will of the People; the invaders are steadily eliminating the capacity of the People to pratice and execute government of, by and for the People. No shock and awe. No shots heard round the world. Just a quiet and determined cancer, methodically taking the body and soul of the country apart one little bit a a time, across the totality of its being.
It is the wish of these upsurpers, who have obtained illegitimate control of our government - through vote rigging, election theft, fraud and judicial coup, to turn free and proud Citizens into abject, cowering and obedient subjects. They have indulged in every sort of crime, monstrosity and atrocity to achieve their ends, aided evey step of the way by a guilty, complicit second teir of enablers in the Congress, the judiciary and the "press".
They are succeeding in their warfare against America, against the American Constitution. They are approaching final victory, and they have suffered zero casualties. Not a one. Zip. Nada. Nil. Their victory over freedom and liberty, their victory over fundamental human decency and human rights is going to be absolute - unlike Iraq, which as a people is resisting these very same invaders in a fashion we American People seem no longer capable of emulating.
I used to think that Americans would behave as the Iraqis, if we were invaded. No longer. Why? Because we were invaded, and have done largely nothing. Certainly nothing of value or lasting effect. And, we will lose our freedom, our liberty, our fortunes and our Human Rights because of that. The Iraqis, will regain theirs because they are unwilling to suffer the same fate. They are in the process of earning their freedoms. We are in the process of bartering ours away.
Look at our Congress. Look at our courts. Look at our "Press". Look at the corruption that permeates every last trace of our government. Look at the corrupters. Look at those who have been so eagerly willing to be corrupted. Then tell me it is not so.
Something is going to have to change, or we are doomed as a free People.
I'm deeply, deeply inspired by this. I copied it into a myspace bulletin.
That wasn't enough for me so I wrote a huge blog too. I know it's just myspace, but I'm hoping I'll get just one person's attention.
I wish each one of us could get just one person's attention.
sacredcow @ 107:
Me too! hehehe
[...] Crooks and Liars » Video: Meeting Resistance - Know Thine Enemy [...]
News flash The so called enemy compatants in cuba and various other places are being tortured not to get intelligence, but rather to be used in Secret Operations like Sirhan Siran you know the one who was druged and forced to kill Bobby Kennedy.
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I'm sure that what you have described is indeed part of the total picture, but not the whole thing, or even close to the whole picture as you indicate. But, labeling any discussion on the subject as a love fest for terrorists or equating anybody who questions the official line or your personal take of the situation as being ineffectual marxists on the wrong side of history is just a bit ridiculous. These are the methods of propagandists. You have completely undermined your credibility and disinclined me, and probably most others here, to listen to or consider anything further you might have to say.
I am sick to death of hearing the fake opposition Dems in Congress moan about not having enough votes to end the war in Iraq. They give lip service to the myth that the only way to end the war is to write a bill saying "the war is now over" and send it to Bush for a prompt veto, then override the veto. They then throw up their hands, saying "Well, as you can see, we don't have the votes to override any veto, so there's no way to end the war. Sorry folks."
This is disingenious and vividly illustrates who the Dems are really serving: the establishment, not their constituents.
Here's how to end the war: No bill specifically ending the war is even necessary. Remember those supplemental funding bills the Cheney regime has to constantly ask for, to continue funding the Iraq war piecemeal instead of in yearly lump sums attached to the actual defense budget? That's the achilles' heel of their war effort. The next time Bush asks for another $80 billion or whatever to keep the Iraq bloodbath going, all the Democrats have to do to end the war is to say: NO. To say "We won't allocate one more penny for your illegal war". Last I checked the Dems have a wafer-thin majority in both houses. With no Dems voting for the next spending bill it won't be passed and thus it won't make it to Bush's desk for signing. Bush (and especially his puppetmaster Cheney) may have concentrated an inordinate amount of power in the hands of the executive branch, but even they can't send spending bills to their own desk. That necessarily has to come from Congress. If it never reaches his desk he can't sign it, and will have 2 choices: 1.pull the troops out while there is still enough money left in the pipeline so to speak (and anyone who has five or more brain cells knows that the money isn't going to run out the next day, that's a non-issue that the right wing tries to use as a scare tactic but it is ridiculously dumbed down and simply not true; they don't wait until they have $5 left before asking for another supplemental OK?); or 2.don't pull them out right away, and leave them to wither on the vine in Iraq until the money DOES completely run out and they have to withdraw from Iraq chaotically, burning their supplies and vehicles. Either way the war will end pretty soon if the Dems refuse to vote on supplementals. They don't have to write a bill saying they are cutting off funding; this is only a fig leaf so they can pretend to be doing something to end the war when all they are doing is purposely spinning their wheels. All they have to do is to NOT VOTE ON SUPPLEMENTALS. Pretty fucking simple. The people NOW need to DEMAND in so many words that if the Democrats are a genuine opposition party that they will carry out the will of the people and NOT VOTE on supplementals. If they are a fake opposition party as I feel they are, and are acting not in the people's interest but playing for the same team as the Republicans, then continue with more of the same hand-wringing and impotent nonbinding resolutions that resolve nothing. Decision time Democrats. Which are you? Genuine? Or fake opposition? I think I already know the answer to that one but why don't you surprise me?
You hear that Paul in L.A.? They're fucking FAKES. What was the first thing Pelosi said when she got the speaker's gavel? "Impeachment is off the table". Fucking. Fake. Opposition. Dems. Whine about Bush's war but they sure keep on funding it don't they? Which is worse? A genuine fascist who is unashamed and tells you what he is? Or a fake liberal who pretends to be on your side but is working for the fascists? To hell with the fake opposition and the left gatekeepers.
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