The House Fails To Get Veto Override on SCHIP
By Nicole Belle Wednesday Oct 17, 2007 12:48pm
The final vote was 273 - 156, 16 votes short of the necessary 2/3 to override Bush's veto. Democrats Jim Marshall and Gene Taylor crossing the aisle to vote against SCHIP and 44 Republicans voting for SCHIP (which is one less than the initial vote).
I've included the roll call at the above link and there's a widget on the right margin of the page to contact Congress. If you're so inclined, you may want to ask those 156 representatives why they hate poor, sick kids. Because believe me, whether or not we have SCHIP, we ALL pay for the care of these children when they have health care needs.
Keep in mind, the cost of the expanded SCHIP program is what we pay in Iraq in THREE WEEKS.
UPDATE: House Democrats vow to insist on covering 10 Million Children
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that's because is was an increase in spending.
Frist!
And while you're at it, Call Pete Stark's office and tell him THANK YOU!!!
Video of Pete Stark spanking Bush
Damn... beaten to the punch!
I'm convinced that the GOP representation in Congress are nothing but zombies. Flesh eating zombies who listen to no one but the Rovians!
Assholes!
Where is the tidal wave that needs to overwhelm DC and flush all these corrupt, cynical legislators out to sea permanently?
I do mean all.
TO SATISFY RIGHT-WINGERS, AND QUALIFY FOR SCHIP, MOTHERS STUFF KIDS BACK INTO WOMB
Why do Republicans hate the US?
bang @ 1:
yeah... but the Republicans have been SOOOOO thrifty these past 6 or so years! not throwing money away on ANYTHING at all. they are so stupid they don't know the difference between government spending money on what it is suppose to and handouts to the filthy-rich. i swear, an amoeba has more neurons than the cumulative number of brain cells found it he Congressional GOP caucus.
Had this been health care for persons trapped in a permeate vegetative state for over a decade, these schmucks would have been all over it.
*Sigh*
Why do we even BOTHER thinking that someone with any gravitas will ever TRY to stop this evil motherfucker?
Years from now, people will no longer roll their eyes whenever someone likens Bush to Hitler. As Democrats, we virtually sanction all his crimes. We are all accomplices of this war criminal.
The ABSOLUTELY LAST THING I wanted to achieve by voting for Pelosi and Reid was for them to become snippy little handwringing do-nothings, and sure enough, that's what they have become.
Amerika - land of the Good Germans who stood by and who did absolutely nothing to stop this evil dictator.
Pelosi is such a total, complete, abject FAILURE. She couldn't get enough votes together to get HEALTH INSURANCE FOR POOR CHILDREN.
Pelosi said she wouldn't pursue impeachment because she had an aggressive agenda. BS. All she's accomplished is an insultingly low minimum wage increase attached ton obscene funding bill. Blood money.
Pelosi is a TOTAL FAILURE!
Nicole Belle makes an excellent point. The money that is spent on this foolish and most unnecessary occupation could more than pay for health insurance, along with contributing to education, infrastructure, libraries, etc. But it certainly does seem that when the superpatriots try to manipulate the public by using words like patriotism and freedom and fear, their brains proceed to shut down and their emotions start to overwhelm their [alleged] cerebral activities.
Again, why aren't there riots in the streets??
I just got an email (no kidding) from a group protesting Jane Fonda's behavior in Viet Nam because she was recently nominated as one of the top 100 women of the century. Is our society dancing with madness or what?
Priorities, I don't have to show you no damn priorities. To hell with the kids, get that commie loving bitch from 40 years ago...
Republicans need to start disappearing!
TimV @ 9:
Actually, you got that wrong. They are cutting spending on unneeded programs. You know, programs for those of us not of the base.
They are most definitely not throwing money away. They are giving it to important, worthy causes and organizations.
You know, like Halliburton and GE and the "War on Terror©".
I know some senate 'savior dems' we could save some money on by bouncing their butts outta office. Put that in my (now legal, thanks to our 'savior dems' ankle-grabbin') illegal wiretap government file...you spineless, @ss-kissing liars!
KUCINICH/FEINGOLD '08
Because of sh*t just..like...this.
The comment comparing this to 3 weeks in Iraq is right on target!
Why more people in this country are not outraged by the wasted dollars in Iraq is beyond me.
Politicians will debate domestic spending at any level until they're blue in the face; but we'll send truckloads of money to Iraq and think nothing of it; don't need to know what it's for; don't need approvals; no accountability whatsoever!
Bush said in a speech yesterday that he uses his veto power so that he remains relevant. WTF kind of dumb ass comment is that? The man has been irrelevant his entire life! He is totally incompetent and a fucking idiot!
Fuck him and the people who support him! Assholes!
I have a question ? how long will it befor the DEMOCRATS Cave on this BILL, a day or a week. GET OUT THE KNEE PADS.
Don Davis @ 7:
Oh boy you just typed out every right-winger's biggest fantasy...The Eternal Fetus!
Yeah, but Reid and Pelosi are already talking about "tweaking" the bill to get it past Bush.
Why won't they just keep sending him the damned bill and let him keep vetoeing it until 2008 - then hang that around the necks of every member that voted against it? They'll get their veto-proof majorities then.
But what's more scary is Pelosi's inability to facilitate party unity on this. Some Dems jumped ship and swam in the swamp with the Rethugs. Taylor and Marshall need to be replaced if that's how they represent their districts (with residents that probably depend on SCHIP like we depend on oxygen to breathe).
If Pelosi hadn't taken impeachment off the table she could've used it to get the SCHIP Bill passed. Is this women so completely stupid as to leave her best weapon (impeachment) at home while she engages in a fight?
Get ready for the Telecom Immunity Act to pass tomorrow. The final nail in the coffin for the Fascist States of America.
"The comment comparing this to 3 weeks in Iraq is right on target!
Why more people in this country are not outraged by the wasted dollars in Iraq is beyond me."
Republicans don't care about that spending because it involves brown people dying. That gets them off even more than dying American children.
Well, this will certainly help their opinion poll standings.
I wonder how much the tobacco lobby played in this? Part of paying for it was by putting a high tax on tobacco products. I'm sure the tobacco lobby wouldn't want their products put in jeopardy by additional taxes to the consumer.
Let's see..... medical care for 10 million children for a year..... or...the cost of 48 days of the US in Iraq..... That's a no-brainer for our "Representatives" in Congress.
Peace @ 12:
Yup, time for her and Reid to step aside. This is a disgrace. With real leadership it should have been a cakewalk to override this veto.
I wish there had been this much discussion in the house and senate before it was decided that there should be an invasion of Iraq.
Watch out! Pelosi and Rahm Emanuel have made a vow!
Perhaps they should have framed it as a faith-based initiative, then the reich-wingers would have been salivating all over it.
The sick Reslugs always protect the unborn, but once they're born they throw them in the trash and spit on them.
Symes @ 16:
Oh you're right. So if you look at the GOP's actions through blood-colored-glasses, it all makes perfect sense. They've been the model of fiscal responsibility by reducing pork (i.e.- health care, education, infrastructure, science funding, etc) and really pouring money into the programs that really matter (i.e.- increasing Paris Hilton's wealth, giving billions to Dick Cheney's friends at Haliburton et al, backing the tobacco lobby, etc.). I've totally been seeing things through the reality perspective. If I look at the world through the Republican point of view... it all makes sense. How could I have been such an idiot?!?!
Fucking Taylor.
BTW I'm betting Ron Paul voted against childrens health care am I right?
Dana @ 20:
Just too bad we can't stuff Rush and the Righteous Bros (and Sisters) back into the womb.
The reich-wingers and herr dubyah would have signed it in blood if this was a bill for health care of Iraqi children.
"The reich-wingers and herr dubyah would have signed it in blood if this was a bill for health care of Iraqi children."
Oh, they've done away with thousands of them too.
What good Christians these people are.
I wonder how the MSM will present this?
Republicans/Neocons are good for business
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Tenderfoots on tender hooks.
Bill @ 37:
That, and it's a Democratic Congress that "failed" to pass the law.
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Who the F&*^ are Jim Marshall and Gene Taylor ??? They need to be punked in their primaries. What total pieces of excrement.
fiver @ 29:
What Pelosi and Emanuel don't understand is that Bush has probably wiretapped all the congressional Republicans. He's probably blackmailing them to keep them voting in lockstep. The game is rigged. The only way the democrats can win is to impeach the entire administration. Short of this Pelosi, Reid and Emanuel will lose every fight. There's no other explanation why any congressperson would continue to support a hated president instead of helping sick, poor children.
Uninsured American children = reich-wing victory.
Enough said.
CD @ 33:
Yep, you are correct Ron Paul voted "Nay", along w/153 other Repigs.
Dana Perino: "We won this round on SHIP." yeah, well don't tell that to the electorate because this is going to play big in 2008. Sorry, Perino but you just cost the republicans more seats than you realize.
w would use a signing statement anyway because he is above the law.
His WWIII comment is getting attention from the rest of the world.
They think he is Hitler.
Geez.
Amazing. Suffering children is a victory for the Republican Party. How can any human being associate with that crowd?
Jim Marshall and Gene Taylor need to be fired next year, along with those Republicans who would prefer war to children.
Somewhere along the way, some company will lose profits if SCHIP were to pass. Those who voted against it most certainly care for those poor, sick children, they just care about their stock portfolio more. Haven't you all figured out how your country works yet?
Reich-wingers better remember this date; this date is the day you'll remember as the straw that broke the camel's back leading towards your permanent minority status.
getalife @ 46:
Are you sure they only think? Seems like they might know.
Doggiebobo @ 44:
Of course he did. His brand of conservative libertarianism opposes all such government programs, especially federal ones.
goatsage @ 6:
It will never happen until we make electoral reform a major issue. Our electoral system is broken. Until we fix it, we'll keep getting the same types of Congresses.
Can we stop beating this dead horse? Is the SCHIP program important? Yes. Are the congresscritters moving on to other things like taking away more of our rights and covering criminals asses with a new FISA bill? Yes. Can we at least multi task? I hope so.
An 11% congress and a 24% President continue to kick the ass of America.
If only they were that efficient in Iraq.
... at this point, it's just become comically pathetic.
ysbaddaden @ 39:
Yeah....even tho ALL Dems voted "Aye" except those two assholes from Georgia and
Mississippi, so in reality of the 273 "Aye" votes, 229 were Dems. MSM will, as I think
you indicated, call this a failure of the Dem controlled Congress, whereas in reality
it is the Repigs who caused this proposal to fall short of the votes needed in order to
override the veto.
KUCINICH 08 ???
Uhhh, he voted "NO"
..stands for MIDDLE CLASS?
...stands for HEALTH CARE COVERAGE FOR ALL ??
think again.
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TimV @ 32:
Oh you're right. So if you look at the GOP's actions through blood-colored-glasses, it all makes perfect sense. They've been the model of fiscal responsibility by reducing pork (i.e.- health care, education, infrastructure, science funding, etc) and really pouring money into the programs that really matter (i.e.- increasing Paris Hilton's wealth, giving billions to Dick Cheney's friends at Haliburton et al, backing the tobacco lobby, etc.). I've totally been seeing things through the reality perspective. If I look at the world through the Republican point of view... it all makes sense. How could I have been such an idiot?!?!
There ya go!
It is easier to understand if you have had your heart replaced with that of an orphan child.
dave anton @ 56:
YOU are incorrect. Kucinich voted "Aye"...
Perino actually said, "We won this round"???? It's not a game, Ms. Hairflip.
How about typing it in monosyllabic words only, so the Neanderthals in our Congress can understand the importance of SCHIP. Repubs can't figure out that taking care of health needs in a child prevents or mitigates more severe health needs in an adult and helps to promote the wellbeing of the entire community, city, state, and country. They think if someone is benefitting, they must be getting the short end of the stick. Not so.
And I like Patricia's comment about the disparity in terms of discussion about invading Iraq vs. SCHIP. Needless to mention the *gag* Patriot Act.
I hope everyone who piles on Pelosi will also take the time to write a letter or send an e-mail or make a phone call and rant at the real obstructionists in this issue; namely, the Repubs.
I moved to Costa Rica last year and have been watching all of this unravel from afar. With my marriage, I am now a permanent resident....emphasis on permanent. Are we SURE the democrats got the majority last election? Has anybody actually counted seats? With this last example of democratic impotence, you would think the repugs are still in power. Why? Pelosi and Reid are nothing more than paper tigers and that's NOT what we need right now. And if those red state neo nazis can get away with saying we hate America and want it to lose the war, completely unchallenged by ANYONE on "our" side, I say we make the talking point that repugs are pro-child death and sickness. For fucksakes, WE set up full universal heathcare in IRAQ....
This is just fucked up, and we all need to come up with a more agressive game plan or we WILL see the rise of the 4th Reich.
In the meantime, I ain't coming back.....
Doggiebobo @ 55:
I think in short hand.
Good think I'm short down-under.
This is sad and sick. Yet another example of how you, your children and your grandchildren are just meat to these monsters. And I'm sorry, but, I told you so. Remember that sick repug slug that was soooo proud to change his vote? Bluff. And this proves it.
Welcome to the land of plenty... plenty of bullshit .
navyswan @ 53:
You're 100% correct. Most Americans aren't even aware of the FISA legislation. They don't have a clue what it means. They don't even understand the 4th amendment. Try talking about it with your non-political friends. You'll get blank stares. The corporate media, I believe, is under instruction to keep coverage of the FISA legislation to a minimum.
pissed off patricia @ 25:
I called Marilyn Musgrave's office in DC. The person on the phone said that the Congresswoman had introduced her own SCHIP bill this morning. Phone person then went on to list "reasons" for why Musgrave introduced her own bill. One was that it raised taxes on cigarettes. So Musgrave is more interested in keeping taxes down on cigarettes than helping poor sick kids. Another reason was that SCHIP would have covered people making 3x over the poverty level. But with the costs of healthcare in this country, and the premiums charged by providers, 3x over poverty still makes you a poor bastard when faced with exorbitant healthcare costs. Musgrave's bill would cover those making $41K or less annually. So if you make $41500, you wouldn't be eligible for coverage, but really, would you still be able to afford healthcare in this country? Hell no.
So I told the phone person that Musgrave's reasons sound like a grab bag of excuses without any consistency through them. And so instead of supporting the majority of the American people and the House of Representatives, she introduced her own crappy SCHIP bill. She voted wrong twice and millions of poor sick kids will continue to suffer because of her. Because of her and 155 other callous "people" that put their own concerns over those of poor sick kids.
A Talking Iguana @ 61:
Why do you, and others, still continue to blame Reid and Pelosi for the failure of overriding
bush's veto on "this particular issue"? There are/were sufficent votes in the Senate to
override the veto, and ALL Dem's in the House(excepting two) voted "Aye",so it is not
accurate to blame either Pelosi or Reid for the failure of this bill to receive sufficient votes
to override the veto...IT IS THE REPIGS who defeated it.
Peace @ 22:
While I hope the immunity act does not pass I suspect it will. Imagine that, official government endorsement and sanction of illegal acts. Our current politicians for the most part are weak willed imbiciles for which integrity and principled behavior are strictly optional. I am absolutely disgusted by the debasement of our political system by these hacks.
dave anton @ 56:
Lies is all you clowns know eh?
And too dumb to realize that we actually look this stuff up.
Pathetic.
Just got this email from Chris Dodd.
It's been a busy day, but I wanted take a moment and let you know that I have decided to place a "hold" on legislation in the Senate that includes amnesty for telecommunications companies that enabled the President's assault on the Constitution by providing personal information on their customers without judicial authorization.
What does this mean exactly?
Filed under uncategorized. How about Ripley's Believe it or Not.
Okay ladies, thinking about maybe getting pregnant seven years from now? Hang on to that shit job that has the health coverage!
I have to go now. I'm running down to the Body Shop to get my Republican friends some soap gift baskets. They already have trouble getting the blood of thousands of American troops off their hands, and with the recent addition of millions of children to that - well they're going to need a lot of soap. Have a nice day all.
I did some research on Jim Marshall and Gene Taylor. These guys are total Blue Douche Democrats. Taylor almost never caucuses with the Dems. He is far-right of many Republicans. Jim Taylor almost got beaten by a Republican when they redistricted in Georgia.
I wouldn't place too much on Pelosi for failing to turn those guys.
And for everyone saying Pelosi/Reid should push for impeachment. If they can't get these assholes to vote for this no-brainer, impeachment would be a waste of time. The Bush admin and their bootlickers are still playing a zero sum game, using every shred of power they can to get their way and then blame the Democrats for the obstruction that they are creating.
That having been said, I want to see Ted Kennedy running the Senate. I agree that Reid is not the most powerful person for this position. Pelosi I'm not ready to give up on, yet. But my patience is getting thin.
Rot in hell dirty mother F*ckin' human garbage + 2 Dems
dave anton @ 56:
thank you for pointing out the fact that Dennis Kucinich voted against it. i was worried that we were becoming a little "one sided" with our disdain.
we need a clean slate. bill gates would be a better candidate than the ones they're trotting out for 08.
i still like Kucinich, but WTF?
he says it's because the bill does not provide for immigrant coverage. a noble effort in the sense that he is for health care for ALL, however it boils down to, I wont help ANY of them, if I can't help ALL of them. Compromise is key, otherwise you end up voting alongside the republicans.
Janet @ 69:
IF like other actions of the Dems in the U.S. Senate, it means that just more time willl
expire before the granting of immunity to the tele. communication industry will be granted.
Wish I had more faith that Dodd and others in the Senate had balls and would not vote
in favor of the immunity, however, as in most other instances, I have little faith that
they'll do so. Just buying some time...and they will probably also write another in a series of "strong and stern" letters.
Greatest country in the world eh?
Not for some children....
Doggiebobo @ 59:
kucinich only voted aye against the veto. he voted against it originally. he even has a statement at his website. it is you who are mistaken.
moses @ 75:
Come on you idiot....Kucinich voted "Aye"....can't you read the results of votes cast???
dave anton @ 56:
Ummmmmm........ Dave........ Yea does NOT mean NO. Kucinch voted Yea. Check the voting record! Did some one tell you that he voted no or did you make it up on your own?
Janet @ 69:
This is good news. If I understand it correctly it means the bill cannot come up for a vote. The question is, is he doing this for media attention? To help his Presidential bid? And will he release the hold when challenged?
moses @ 78:
YOU are the mistaken one. He, like others, voted "Aye" because he supports the children's
need for health care. ONLY two dems(Geo. and Miss) voted "Nay"; unwilling to change their
initial vote whereas Dennis has sense and did the right thing.
moses @ 75:
Kucinich did NOT vote to take away SCHIP.
Please read the comments and you will see that the ONLY Dems who voted with the President were Taylor and Marshall.
Good God! It's no wonder Faux Noise is so damn effective at spreading disinformation!
Doggiebobo @ 79:
here's a link to Kucinich's statement on his vote. http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=75275
don't get me wrong, i still like the guy, i just happen to disagree with his vote on this, bigtime. Who's the idiot now?
Move along floks, nothing to see here...
Reichwingers are full of SCHIP.
Serious question: Do we really want the people who fumbled the Katrina aftermath to be in control of our health care?
Is anyone surprised?!
.......and the reichwing war on the avg. man continues
Republicans love unnecessary war, hate suffering children. There can be no clearer message to the American people. Thanks GOP! 2008's gonna be a cakewalk now.
bmw 528 @ 67:
Glenn Greenwald writes today about how the FISA bill made its way out of committee...
...Let's just describe very factually and dispassionately what has happened here. Congress -- led by Senators, such as Jay Rockefeller, who have received huge payments from the telecom industry, and by privatized intelligence pioneer Mike McConnell, former Chairman of the secretive intelligence industry association that has been demanding telecom amnesty -- is going to intervene directly in the pending lawsuits against AT&T and other telecoms and declare them the winners on the ground that they did nothing wrong. Because of their vast ties to the telecoms, neither Rockefeller nor McConnell could ever appropriately serve as an actual judge in those lawsuits.
Yet here they are, meeting and reviewing secret documents and deciding amongst themselves to end all pending lawsuits in favor of their benefactors -- AT&T, Verizon and others"
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/index.html
Chris from Ohio @ 87:
No, we want those people put into prison. We want new, competent people managing our government.
Doggiebobo @ 66:
It's not just this my friend, this is the straw that broke the camel's back (in my opinion....your mileage may vary). There's a reason congress is sitting at an 11% approval rating right now, they are NOT doing their jobs. And with every failure to do their constitutional duty, we get another "hey that's not fair" press conference that sounds like a group of 16 year old girls not getting their way. Now granted, they don't have a propaganda outlet like Faux News or 1001 brown shirted radio hosts to spew talking points whenever they want to get their way. But I don't think anyone here would disagree with me that SOMETHING could have been done to better get the message out about what was at stake.
And I hate the way we are CONSTANTLY painted as enemies of America without ANY challenge or assertion to the contrary. The "sticks and stones" mindset isn't working here folks.
"Serious question: Do we really want the people who fumbled the Katrina aftermath to be in control of our health care?"
Bush and his cronies are on the way out. Irrelevant question. Next!
Oh I see now. You can't just have a majority. You need a super duper majority to fight these assholes. What a cop out. WTF do they care? They are rich and have excellent healthcare for THEIR kids. I hope all of the rubes in the bible belt, southen california and the deep south who voted repug in '04 and '06 can comprehend how badly they have screwed themselves, and their kids.
I know that's hoping for a lot.
moses @ 84:
YOU continue to be the idiot. Yes, in Sept., when the SCHIP was intially voted upon,
Dennis voted "Nay"; but in today's vote he cast an "Aye", changing his mind as to the
SCHIP program. Don't waste my time, and others, by furnishing us old, outdated crap.
Get a life idiot...
moses @ 84:
Come on you idiot....Kucinich voted "Aye"....can't you read the results of votes cast???
here's a link to Kucinich's statement on his vote. http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=75275
don't get me wrong, i still like the guy, i just happen to disagree with his vote on this, bigtime. Who's the idiot now?
From his site:
"Kucinich voted for the original House-passed version of the bill because it contained language to grant health coverage for legal immigrant children. However, in today’s bill, this language was omitted."
So he voted against the watered down Republican version.
Idiot.
Publicus @ 92:
But how do we get that...even the Democrats we vote in are corrupt. They're not stopping the war. They're giving Bush a green light on wiretapping. Who do we turn to? It's easy to say put competent people in managing our government but who are those people?
Leonard @ 94:
Basically saying it's an "irrelevant question" mean that you don't have an answer for it. I understand. It goes way beyond Bush and his cronies. If you don't see that, it's your failure.
It's hard to believe that a 273 - 156 vote for this program is not enough to pass it due to the veto rules.
What's disheartening here is that the House represents the people and what the people want. The founding fathers, of course, set up the veto override at 2/3 to avoid rash decisions by the people. But this is not a rash decision. This isn't people with pitchforks overrunning a town and demanding someone's head. This is about sensible healthcare. And yet it is saddled by one lame president.
Chris from Ohio @ 87:
That's not a serious question. It's an absurd rhetorical question posed by conservatives who fuck everything up in order to prove their own argument that government doesn't work.
(a) FEMA won't be in charge of health care, though when the Democrats controlled the executive FEMA was an excellent organization.
(b) The "S" in SCHIP stands for State.
and
(c) When competent people run the government, the government is not incompetent.
I'm glad Carney voted for the override - but overall this is a sad, pathetic day for America.
Karen @ 101:
Very accurate and good reply Karen....
Symes @ 97:
here's a link to Kucinich's statement on his vote. http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=75275
don't get me wrong, i still like the guy, i just happen to disagree with his vote on this, bigtime. Who's the idiot now?
From his site:
"Kucinich voted for the original House-passed version of the bill because it contained language to grant health coverage for legal immigrant children. However, in today’s bill, this language was omitted."
So he voted against the watered down Republican version.
Idiot.
so disagreeing with one thing Kucinich has voted on, and i do mean ONE thing makes me an idiot. is this a republican site?
i did not know the language was omitted, but still, instead of trying to enlighten someone, you go into attack mode.
there is a lot at stake these days and frankly i'm becoming frustrated with BOTH sides of the fence. i guess that makes me an idiot, too.
that said, Kucinich/Paul 08.
May sick uninsured children spread disease and infect the children of the Right.
Chris from Ohio @ 87:
They are in charge of Medicaid, Medicare and the VA health system.
Chris from Ohio @ 98:
We need a major overhaul on our electoral process. Electoral reform ought to be a prime issue of concern to anyone who cares about saving this republic.
They are powerful and dangerous in a knife fight.
It is critical that people realize that most of the democrats ARE NOT opponents, they are a faction. An opposition will differ strategically while a faction differs tactically. (Clinton suggests military occupation through 2013 is not in opposition strategically only tactically).
How many are there that are true opposition ... maybe a dozen of 535.
As long as the Vichy Dem faction exists .... repeat exists ... we lose.
moses @ 104:
From his site:
"Kucinich voted for the original House-passed version of the bill because it contained language to grant health coverage for legal immigrant children. However, in today’s bill, this language was omitted."
So he voted against the watered down Republican version.
Idiot.
so disagreeing with one thing Kucinich has voted on, and i do mean ONE thing makes me an idiot. is this a republican site?
i did not know the language was omitted, but still, instead of trying to enlighten someone, you go into attack mode.
there is a lot at stake these days and frankly i'm becoming frustrated with BOTH sides of the fence. i guess that makes me an idiot, too.
that said, Kucinich/Paul 08.
Moses: Sorry...sometimes in the heat of exchanges, I get upset and angry that incorrect
information is being disseminated amongust us here on C&L...and without thinking react
too quickly. YOU are not an idiot; proven by who you currently support. Sorry again.
"The House Fails" it's people. I like the comment No. 11, bush is a motherfucker, that is for certain. I would never have imagined during my ignorant youth that a mentally handicapped chimpanzee would be the President. How did we get here? Oh yeah, the repuglicans stole the last two p-residential elections and the Democrats let them! I forgot.
Come on you idiot....Kucinich voted "Aye"....can't you read the results of votes cast???
here's a link to Kucinich's statement on his vote. http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=75275
don't get me wrong, i still like the guy, i just happen to disagree with his vote on this, bigtime. Who's the idiot now?
Well, well, well.... "idiot" huh...?
Crooks and Liars changes the LINK (this new link is different) and i made a mistake by simply following the LINK thinking it was the current vote (it wasn't) ...soo...
...i'm an idiot, huh.
fuck off already.
relax. attack (if you must) the people who deserve it, and not the ones who are on the same side.
Here are some they are more appropriate:
Sadistic
Conservatives
Heartily
Inspirit
Pedophiles
Senseless
Conservatives
Hate
Intelligent
People
anon @ 108:
Again, until we reform the electoral process, this is what we'll get.
....TO THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP ... DO NOT, I REPEAT .. DO NOT BACK DOWN OR COMPROMISE ON THE SCHIP. THE 2 PUTRID TRAITORS IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO VOTED AGAINST THIS SCHIP, YOU NEED TO PURGE THEM FROM THE PARTY AND DO EVERY THING POSSIBLE TO UNDERMINE THEIR EFFECTIVENESS TOWARDS THEIR CONSTITUENCY.
WHY RUSH LIMPBAUGH CONTINUE TO BROADCAST ON ARM FORCES RADIO AFTER HIS "PHONY SOLDIER" COMMENT
Chris from Ohio @ 87:
No. That's why different people would be in control of it.
dave anton @ 111:
here's a link to Kucinich's statement on his vote. http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=75275
don't get me wrong, i still like the guy, i just happen to disagree with his vote on this, bigtime. Who's the idiot now?
Well, well, well.... "idiot" huh...?
Crooks and Liars changes the LINK (this new link is different) and i made a mistake by simply following the LINK thinking it was the current vote (it wasn't) ...soo...
...i'm an idiot, huh.
fuck off already.
relax. attack (if you must) the people who deserve it, and not the ones who are on the same side.
Anton: Please see my No. 107. You too are due an apology...
moses @ 104:
No, but going out of your way to point it out (and doing it out of context as well) does.
moses @ 104:
From his site:
"Kucinich voted for the original House-passed version of the bill because it contained language to grant health coverage for legal immigrant children. However, in today’s bill, this language was omitted."
So he voted against the watered down Republican version.
Idiot.
so disagreeing with one thing Kucinich has voted on, and i do mean ONE thing makes me an idiot. is this a republican site?
i did not know the language was omitted, but still, instead of trying to enlighten someone, you go into attack mode.
there is a lot at stake these days and frankly i'm becoming frustrated with BOTH sides of the fence. i guess that makes me an idiot, too.
that said, Kucinich/Paul 08.
From the Washington Post today here's a Q&A with Dennis Kucinich's concerning his no vote on the SCHIP bill:
Fort Worth, Texas: With your rock-solid positions on the war in Iraq and healthcare -- for example, your recent vote against the proposed government catastrophic health care coverage for children because as you said, it didn't go far enough-- you seem to represent, perhaps more than any other candidate, the idealistic bedrock of the Democratic Party. But given the complexity of governing the United States, if you become president, don't you think that you will have to show more ability to compromise than that?
Rep. Dennis Kucinich: In the Democratic Party, a democratic branch of the party hasn't been firmly established, to take a phrase from Paul Wellstone. What do you stand for? Democrats haven't shown much of a difference with Republicans, it's all been the same note. I'm talking about a real and progressive approach to politics, showing how it's possible for a Democrat to stand for peace, for health care for all. I'm not inflexible, but unlike the rest of the candidates I'm not afraid to take a stand. If you can't take a stand, you get turned to mush by special interests, which is what we're facing with the rest of the other candidates.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/10/05/DI200...
Doggiebobo @ 109:
so disagreeing with one thing Kucinich has voted on, and i do mean ONE thing makes me an idiot. is this a republican site?
i did not know the language was omitted, but still, instead of trying to enlighten someone, you go into attack mode.
there is a lot at stake these days and frankly i'm becoming frustrated with BOTH sides of the fence. i guess that makes me an idiot, too.
that said, Kucinich/Paul 08.
Moses: Sorry...sometimes in the heat of exchanges, I get upset and angry that incorrect
information is being disseminated amongust us here on C&L...and without thinking react
too quickly. YOU are not an idiot; proven by who you currently support. Sorry again.
thank you, sir. it would seem to me that of all the politicians to disagree with he would be it, because unlike almost all the others, he would actually LISTEN. however, his intentions were good, noone can argue that.
you should also understand, and i'm sure you do, there is more disinformation out there than there is actual information. if people find their way here, they obviously are trying to find real info. attacks should be reserved for last resorts and true trolls. how else are we going to convince the other side that we very well could be right.
impeacment, it's not just for blowjobs anymore.
The American people should now understand what needs to be done.
This is it.
2008: TAKE OFF WORK AND VOTE TOGETHER IN LARGE GROUPS AND MASSIVE NUMBERS
IN THE CONGRESSIONAL AND PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARYS & ELECTIONS.
TAKE PICTURES AND BRING A CAMERA AND A LOCAL MEDIA CREW.
http://www.democracyforamerica.com
goatsage @ 6:
Excellent question!
SCHIP Sunk
The House of Representatives has failed to override Bush’s veto of the fraudulent SCHIP bill. AP reports that the pro-override forces fell more than a dozen votes short:
The 273-156 roll call was 13 votes short of the two-thirds that majority supp...
Why don't we just have another civil war. there's just as much reason now as there was then, if not more. i think Bush is trying to be the big bad guy here. if he is terrible enough this last year, it will make all the pinhead candidates look at least tolerable by comparison.
The Smiths Go To Washington @ 120:
Thanks for website....very informative and a way for many of us to not only talk, but to
become actively involved in our local elections this coming November.
moses @ 123:
That may be the alternative unfortunately.
That or business as usual.
I'm betting it's going to be business as usual.
“We won this round on SCHIP,” White House press secretary Dana Perino said after the vote."
right on! @ 121:
Indeed! Though I think that particular wave will be outraged TRUE American Patriots, and I don't mean flag wavin' jingoists either...I hope it happens soon, before it's too damn late.
we no longer have a "representative" form of anything. when you consider the approval ratings, it is now us against them. now what?
Bootlicking, asskissing, rubbernecked, dumbasses following the lead of the chief thug of the crime famliy...fascist pigs all of them.
Good job Pete Stark. The corporate-controlled, right-wing, mainstream media is now making you the story instead of talking about the fact that Republicans hate poor, sick kids.
I hope Dems put a face on all children who are denied vital health care ... in advertisements ... while naming the Republicans who voted against SCHIP whoe enjoy federally subsidized health care for themselves. Like a Viet Nam memorial wall ... an SCHIP denial memorial wall.
Doggiebobo @ 44:
And people wonder why I have mixed feeling about him.
the people have a two thirds majority against Bush. let's storm the castle, shall we? just as long as no children get hurt as they have no coverage.
Today's GOP. The Gathering Of Pedophiles. Leader of the Culture Of Death.
Plenty of cash to blow up civilians. Plenty of $$$$$ for Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater, payoffs to Dubya's Saudi brothers...
But no money for the normal people here at home.
Remember, when a Reich Winger tells you they're pro life, they mean unborn white folk.
That is the picture of today's GOP. That Gang of Perverts.
Karen @ 113:
I agree. Also, there is a 'flaw' in the constitution that corporations and the rich have driven their trucks through that needs fixing.
getalife @ 46:
Where's the outrage in THIS country over Busholini's crazy ranting about WWIII?????
Doggiebobo @ 44:
So Ron "pro-life champion" Paul is for protecting children, but only until they come out of the womb.
Maybe it's because once they come out, they're on their way to becoming voters, and since 18-year-old college students tend not to be rich old white males, they'll probably vote Democratic?
the GOP. the Gang Of Perverts.
A bit of fun courtesy of the GOPerverts. Google "GOP" and "Perverts" Note the first site on the list.
and of course
The List: http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
I don't understand all the disappointment. Surely the Democrats can find another way to implement a regressive tax falling mostly on poor people of color and transfer the benefits to mostly white children. It makes for great posters.
The republicans have not only grown gay, they have grown suicidal.
While I do think it is piss poor that we can spend a trillion dollars on war and
not support this bill, I do not confuse that fact with the fact that Ron Paul voted no
Because the "Constitution" does not allow this.
He has voted with the "Constitution" his whole career.
I would much prefer to Vote for Ron Paul to turn his country around and put it back on track,
than vote for someone who will stay the current course and pass fringe bills.
Btw, I loved the Colbert show where Kucinich was asked to open his pockets and he got out the
"Mini Constitution" and Colbert asked him if had shrunk that himself. Kucinich responded, "No, George Bush did that for me" :-)
Paul or Kucinich in 08
If the current S-CHIP plan would have gone into action, and they want to increase cigarette taxes to "reduce smoking in children", where the hell are they going to get the money to find S-CHIP?
Listen up, ya'll need to start smoking for the childrens.
it's time to remove the fucking gop from the surface of the earth, maybe we could call for the rapture of the dispassionate conservative christians.
WTF is wrong with the reichwingnut gop? like bush, they are determined to
destroy everything that the fore fathers fought so hard to gain for all of us.
Pelosi has to go..she is incompetent..she couldn't wheel and deal to get 16 votes to override a veto of the most unpopular president in history??? I have also concluded that the Republicans would rather self - destruct than give kids healthcare
The smirk on King Petulant Pricks face gets wider every day. Nothing has changed whatsoever since the 06 elections. Chimp is stilling getting whatever he wants and rubbing it in their gutless faces, The Dems are just enablers and nothing more. Did Bush threaten to send them some more anthrax letters ? Just get Bush to declare martial law, null and void
Congress and elections, and get the inevitable over with. Not like the Neo Fucks plan on leaving anyways. Might save them from nuking a US city to just cave in now.
fiver @ 139:
Exactly how does the tax fall on mostly poor people and people of color? Be specific and back it up.
The children that they chose to highlight in the s-chip publicity were purposefully white children, IMO. Not to show that the benefits would be "transferred" to white children, but to show the American people what the new face of poor is. They can't ignore it anymore by saying 'oh, it's those welfare queens' and 'those teen-age mother's with their bastard kids'. No!! It's your next door neighbor and the kids in your children's class and the daughter of the PTA president.
Marshall and Taylor should be reassigned to office space in the Capitol dumpsters.
Fanon @ 146:
Perhaps you hadn't heard. This bill was funded by a tax on smokers. Who do you think smokes? Disproportionately, the poor and people of color.
ellen @ 144:
That's truth to power right there. She's the stereotypical image of the democratic party the repugnican radio weasels love to expound on. Weak, unorganized, and does not translate her words into any notable action. She needs to go....
Where are all the passionate idealists in our party? Is this really all we have to work with?
Make the republicans veto the bill every week.
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