Iraq To Cheney: "No, Big Fat No" To Permanent U.S. Bases
By Logan Murphy Thursday Oct 18, 2007 10:59am
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In an interview with CNN Iraqi National Security Adviser, Mowaffak Al-Rubaie sent a clear message directed at Vice President Dick Cheney that his country will not tolerate permanent U.S. bases.
Iraq "put the U.S. on notice." Iraq's National Security Advisor, doesn't mince words.
"The people of Iraq, the Parliament, the Council of Representative and the government of Iraq, all say no, big fat no, N, O, No military bases for Iraq because we believe that is in direct encroachment to our sovereignty, and we don't need it."
"That message was delivered directly to Vice President Dick Cheney at the White House."
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Ahahahahahahahahah! I wouldn't want to be in the room when darth cheney starts throwing things.
Cheney's response:
FU, Iraq!
HA HA.
Suck on that Dick.
So we can bring the troops home now. Right?
Can't get any clearer than that.
Cheney probably just smiled.
The Iraqi government won't be around much longer.
Quick, somebody check Haliburton's stock. Dropping faster than an old man shot in the face by the vice president.
Pigs.
Bush probable hates it when people go over his head to Cheney.
theWalrus @ 2:
Exactly!
Or "Go fuck yourself, al-Rubaie!"
He might as well have said, "for those of you who are democracy imparred! NO!"
Good! We shouldn't have bases there, just like we shouldn't be waging a war there.
DANA PARINO - "Well, what the Iraqi leadership meant by 'no' was 'we love you, America! We really want you here!' Those silly Iraqis are such kidders - they don't know what they want. You see, they really want us to remain there forever - they just don't know it yet."
REPORTER - "Do you honestly believe that bullshit you're spewing on us?"
DANA PARINO - "Next question?? Please? Anyone??
Rose petals, big fat rose petals. And oh yes, sweets, big fat sweets.
Wow. This thing continues to morph into a disaster of all different kinds.
When Iraq says no, they really mean yes. Sort of like when Laura said "No" on our first date and then I got the "Mission Accomplished"... heh heh heh.
Now watch this drive.
/Bush
Cheney's already infringed on U.S. sovereignty, so what's one more crime.
I'm sure that note ended up in the shredder....
"You don't know the power of the DARK SIDE Mowaffak Al-Rubaie". Cheney is a bad motherfu..ker. I loved him on PBS Frontline on Monday. Stay tuned. You ain't seen nothing yet.
Cheney = "yes yes big fat yes"
FFS Thats one of the main reasons PNAC made the decision to go into Iraq, who the hell do these Iraqis think they are ?
Why is it that I get the sneaky feeling that the Iraqi National Security Adviser, Mowaffak Al-Rubaie will not be around much longer?
good to know that they got the message to the person in charge.
It's cute that Iraq's National Security Advisor thinks he gets a say.
The Bush admin will be at war with there own puppets at this rate,.... jesus wept.
Why is it that I get the sneaky feeling that the Iraqi National Security Adviser, Mowaffak Al-Rubaie will not be around much longer?
he is taking precautions.
no small planes.
no soup.
They addressed it to the right person!
I can see Cheney fuming: "What are you but a warped, frustrated young man? A miserable little clerk crawling in here on your hands and knees and begging for help. No securities, no stocks, no bonds. Nothin' but a miserable little $500 equity in a life insurance policy. You're worth more dead than alive!"
Which will give him an idea.
Oh no, Iraq is a rogue regime again! Time to bomb them back into the Stone Age.
Oops -- they haven't yet recovered from the last time we did that.
It would be nice if the Democratic party would say to Dick and co., regarding something, anything really at this point, no, big fat no, N, O, No.
Wow, Halliburton's stock really IS plummeting! Why is that?
tiger cub @ 26:
I was also thinking "why is this not happening here?" Maybe we can get this guy to run for OUR Senate! I'd vote for him, even if he ran as a third party candidate!
Well, at least somebody's telling The Dick no.
Hey, congressional Dems, take a lesson here......
“That message was delivered directly to Vice President Dick Cheney at the White House.”
Ha! I guess W was off doing something important, like riding his bikey.
What more proof does anyone need that Dick runs the show? Fuckin' appalling.
Sound's like Nuri Al-MALIKI's not working out. And this fatal Muppet show goes on...
It would be nice if the Democratic party would say to Dick and co., regarding something, anything really at this point, no, big fat no, N, O, No.
They have said that to Dick and to George. Too bad the question was whether they would be held accountable for their crimes.
Ungrateful towelheads!
Gee and Dead-Eye Dick didn't shoot the guy. Will wonders never cease.
Cheney promptly inserted the document into his custon shredder.
Well, if they refuse we'll just invade, topple the government, and bring freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people!
And if those Iraqis don't vote to allow permanent bases, well we'll just invade again! Purple fingers for everyone!
The invasion part is the only part that worked out the way it was planned. I'm sure that there are a number of people in the administration who would be thrilled to have a "do over" with it. It doesn't work that way, of course, but they'd be thrilled anyway.
Well old shooter, just like Dr. Frankenstein you created your own monster. Now what? He's turning on you and using his independence that you gave him.
dirk gently @ 23:
No bird hunting for sure
That's odd. One military MD just told me they are building a Level 3 MILITARY hospital in northeastern Iraq. It's roughly the size of the 300 bed hospital I'm sitting in right now.
Huh.
Well maybe we can pay them off with the oil revenues from their oil that we have stolen from them.
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I guess we can start dismantling our permanent military bases we've already built? Cheney doesn't give a shit what Iraqis want and I hate to tell you all but neither will a Clinton administration. The bases will stay, the troops will stay and, Iran is next. Anyone care to wager?
I thought Boy Gorge was President...?
And you thought the troops were building soccer fields ...
30+ trillion dollars of oil underneath those sands...
that Iraqi government will be long gone before they ever remove those bases.
"Why is it that I get the sneaky feeling that the Iraqi National Security Adviser, Mowaffak Al-Rubaie will not be around much longer?"
He'll soon announce that he has to 'spend more time with his family'.
(They've got a package deal lined up for a trip to Cuba. Not the Castro part...)
I guess there's one silver lining to the Blackwater scandal - it's pushing the Iraqis over the tipping point, and they're now finding their voice.
how do we let the iraqui government that we are in agreement with his "big fat no."
Anonymoo @ 46:
Now we just need to reach our tipping point and find our voices.
Hate to state the obvious, but Mr. Al-Rubaie does not control Iraq; Dick Cheney does. The Iraqis can bluster all they want, but the bases will stay until Hillary leaves office.
And I thought the US _wanted_ Iraqis to step up so the US could step down....
Good for the Iraqis. Hopefully things actually start to get better soon.
Mitch @ 49:
It seems that every imperial power throughout history has attempted to subjugate other nations, yet they've all failed miserably. Britain and France learned that the hard way, yet the U.S. government thinks it can do a better job. Either that or they just don't study history and are therefore doomed to repeat the same fucking mistakes.
Notice that he went to the person who was calling all the shots, however, this will have no effect whatsoever. Too many repukes are getting rich off of the occupation of Iraq.
This will run a similar course that the Iraq demand that Blackwater leave the country.
I am waiting for TomTom's post to be deleted. I am sick of the left's hero worship of Ron Paul. He is one of the Repukes that voted against the SCHIP bill.
organmeat @ 7:
Lol. Nice.
when your oil runs out we will be more then happy to leave , sincerly dicks chenys
That's an easy one. Until further notice, the permanent bases will be called "enhanced temporary bases." See, problem solved.
RayC @ 54:
Ditto that.
And Hillary and other Dems will support that "long term strategic partnership" because it will most likely involve a long term military presence in Iraq, with bases and the BIGGEST embassy in the world, so that we can continue to steal OUR OIL.
Jim @ 52:
Agreed. The same thing happened in 1932 Iraq with the British. It happened again in India and so on.
TomTom @ 43:
bet your ass, oh wait rons the nut who wants no government at all!dennis kucinich 08
Apparently this guy doesn't understand how Puppet Governments work.
anonymous @ 55:
My dad said to me, "Bush is just one heart beat away from being president".
Steve @ 62:
The puppet government and their million or so heavily armed people against our exhausted and faltering military.
anonymous @ 55:
I think Bush got used to that 6 1/2 years ago when he was told to go outside and clear some brush while the real president had to get down to the work of the president.
Joe O. @ 60:
On the other hand, the Romans had a pretty good run.
Point being, duration is no justification.
Joementum @ 57:
Check out this document from 2002. Adm. Blair says the same exact thing about the Philippines that Tom Casey, the State Department spokesperson, says.
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/sept_11/blair_003.htm
It's the same shtick.
Joementum @ 57:
JEEZ!!!! stop giving them ideas ....
I hope Mowaffak Al-Rubaie has good locks on his doors, or he may be getting a visit from his friendly neighborhood Blackwater contractors.
Astro @ 69:
He might commit suicide by stabbing himself in the back 4 times.
OT - This is bad news and I call on all my C&L friends to HELP!
Harry Reid is threatening to “ignore” the hold Chris Dodd put yesterday on the FISA bill. Harry Reid has shown his true colors. He is in the Senate to represent the Telecom Companies, not the PEOPLE.
I beg all C&L ers’ to BOMBARD Harry Reids’ office with calls and tell him “HANDS OFF” Chris Dodd’s courageous HOLD of the Senate FISA bill which grants immunity for telcos illegal warrantless spying!
Harry Reid’s Washington Office 1-(202) 224-3542
Glenn Greenwald has more: http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/
Astro @ 69:
Not only that, he may get a visit in the form of a U.S. military raid on his office or by some paid off "Concerned Iraqi Nationals" who used to be called "Dead Enders" or "Saddam Loyalists". Any of those may also pay him a visit.
Sadly, Cheney (and the rest of shrubco) don't care what the Iraqis want. Halliburton (the builders) and Blackwater (the security staff) need more money, so there will be bases in Iraq.
Cheney's response: "Let's talk about this over a hunting trip at my place."
No biggie. Just like with Neil Bush's S&L scandal costing we the taxpayers a billion dollars in the 1980's. Brother George Bush will now stick the taxpayers with a half trillion dollar bill for their oil war regardless of whether he and Big Dick can reap the benefits of our investment. The Bush Crime Family are experts at investing our blood and treasure and if it works they take the proceeds, if it fails we get stuck wit the bill. The ultimate swiindle. No permanent bases? No problem. The Crime Family will just move on to their next taxpayer funded swindle.
http://breitbart.tv/html/6938.html
Doesnt Harry realize that Rush is mocking him? You know that the winning bidder cant be a liberal, unless you think that an unwashed coffee house owner has 2.1mill
...and Dick muttered, "The Halliburton/KBR profits from our constuction projects will be 90% realized by January 2009. What happens after that is the business problem of Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Boeing and General Electric. F#@k 'em... and the sand ni@@ers, too."
Peace @ 71:
Harry Reid's email address here:http://reid.senate.gov/contact/email_form.cfm
He has it set up so that mail is automatically filtered by subject. I suggest that you put your message in the subject box, with exclamation points.
Applause to Iraq!
Wonder what the White House uses to twist their arms?
Maybe Mowaffak Al-Rubaie should take a look at what happens to those that make comments the Bush Administration does not like. A prime example is what just happened to Adm. Scott Redd. Take note because Mr. Al-Rubaie will be next as we see from this article:
Published on Thursday, October 18, 2007 by ABC
After Comments, US Terror Chief Resigns
"Three days after Americans saw the Bush administration’s counterterrorism chief say the Iraq war has likely not made the United States safer from terrorism, the official announced his resignation, citing health reasons."
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/10/18/4663/
TomTom @ 43:
Sorry, no.
You got to love it. They don't even talk to George anymore, go right around Condosleezo, and address their comment directly to Cheney.
Al-Rubaie: No bases Dick.
Cheney: ah, hold on a minute. What's this red button do?
anonymous @ 78:
Never mind, there is no subject box, you have to choose from a list. I suppose "communications" would be the best bet? Here's the link again, hope it goes blue this time:
http://reid.senate.gov/contact/email_form.cfm
Mowaffak. Hello?
Cheney. Hey Mow baby! Good job!
Mowaffak. Hahahaha. Sheep even more confused now?
Cheney. Ha ha. Thanks to CNN. Look only about one year left. Then Clinton inherits this crap.
Mowaffak. Hee hee. We go to beach at French Riveria!
Cheney. Booze, babes, gambling golf baby.
Well, guess that message pissed on Dick's shoes......
So, what's the rationale now??? So what you got now
Dick?? They don't want our bases, we can't get at the oil,
How long before the Iraqies saythat 'biggest U.S. embassy in the world' thing ain't gonna happen either???
And mostly, given yours and your puppets complete incompetence, how much longer is everyone involved going to have to bleed and die over your egomania Cheney, how long???
What's the fucking reason now??? Whatcha got you DICK!! JD
Oh, there will be permanent US bases in Iraq. We moved them from SA to Iraq at great cost to us. Don't think the neocons or even a Dem President will move us out.
lets see.
we've got ...
No to Blackwater
No to Partition
No to the blast walls separating neighbourhoods
No to the Oil Law
No to provocation of Iran
No to areal bombing of urban areas
No to arming of Sunni tribal factions
No to murder, torture and abduction
No to Bases?...I don't think so
Dr. Acula @ 81:
I second that. Ron Paul may be anti-war, but is the most radical reich-winger of the lot. He wants to eliminate the food stamp program for the poor. Yeah, real "progressive" there you Paulettes.
dirk gently @ 23:
no riding in cars
no walking in public
no leaving the house
no answering the door...
Who knows, we may see Cheney redo the scene from Star Wars where Darth Vader puts up his hand and presses his fingers together to strangle the officer that questions him. Right now Cheney is probably doing that and saying on the phone while strangling Al-Rubaie from a distance "I find your lack of faith disturbing."
Dr. Matt @ 88:
HA!!!! Take THAT "Shotgun" Cheney!!!! How ya like DEM apples? Ya warmongerin SOB!!!!
Food stamp program was created by the department of agriculture for archer daniels midland and other big agra business. We have huge surpluses of food so creating the food stamp program just increased the demand for food.
And that program is low on Ron’s hit list . . . plus if Ron Paul were president he would have to operate within the confines of the executive branch (that would be a new thing) and would not be able to get rid of popular social programs.
Ron Paul as president can and will end the war. He’s the only candidate.
(Sorry - I messed up the post above - user error)
Since when is the WH responsive to the demands of the Iraqi government?
Democracy my ass.
Why is the U.S. building a $1 Billion dollar sheltered embassy complex in Iraq if the goal was not a permanent stay? What a waste of taxpayers money! Of course, now there are reports of contractor fraud.
E Ryno @ 91:
A 1992 newsletter by Republican congressional candidate Ron Paul highlighted portrayals of blacks as criminally inclined and lacking sense about top political issues.
Reporting on gang crime in Los Angeles, Paul commented: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."
Paul, a Surfside obstetrician who won the GOP nomination in the 14th District runoff by defeating incumbent Rep. Greg Laughlin, said Wednesday he opposed racism.
He said his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time."
Paul's Democratic opponent, Charles "Lefty" Morris, said many of Paul's views were "out there on the fringe" and that this fall voters would judge his commentaries.
Morris' campaign distributed selected writings by Paul this week.
Paul, a former congressman and one-time Libertarian presidential nominee, said allegations about his writings amounted to name-calling by the Democrats.
He said he'd produced the newsletter since 1985 and distributes it to an estimated 7,000 to 8,000 subscribers.
Writing in his independent political newsletter in 1992, Paul commented about black men in the nation's capital.
Citing statistics from a 1992 study produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, a criminal justice think tank based in Virginia, Paul concluded in his column:
"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."
"These aren't my figures," Paul said this week. "That is the assumption you can gather from" the report.
He also wrote: "Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."
Paul continued that politically sensible blacks are outnumbered "as decent people."
how long have the japanese and the germans wanted permanant military bases removed.
if they don't care what europe, japan or the phillipines want why the hell care what the iraqis want.
everywhere our gov goes it leaves bases. we have one in cuba for god's sake.
Mowaffak Al Rubaie said FFFFFFFF NO.
How is US popularity contest going these days
We come in peace
SHOOT TO KILL -- SHOOT TO KILL
- JJ
[...]
During that time, Congressman Paul served on the House Banking committee, where he was a strong advocate for sound monetary policy and an outspoken critic of the Federal Reserve’s inflationary measures. He was an unwavering advocate of pro-life and pro-family values.
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Regarding permanent bases, obviously the Iraqis don't know who's in charge.
Basically, whoever said that will be assasinated by an Iraqi insurgent and he will be replaced by someone who supports US bases.
Joe O. @ 90:
This is unfair to the vast majority of Dark Lords of the Sith, many of whom are hard-working men and women in support of the troops and the government.
Please contact your Imperial Senator and demand an apology for this insensitive remark.
Oh shit.
darth will declare them combatants/terrorist.
Good for Iraq.
The base is that fake embassy called fort chimpy.
JJ @ 98:
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i thought i was the only one who caught the "ffff, no."
the "Fuck No!" was hanging there anyway, i heard it.
TomTom @ 43:
No, how about you raise money for Kucinich?
Cheney just got Own3d! Tate that you fat bastard!
Isn't that cute ... they think it's their country.
Dr. Matt @ 88:
O.K. so let's choose mass murder all over the world, global enslavement, police state and martial law here at home, endless torture, illegal spying, destruction of the constitution, the Patriot Act, continue the financial institutions and financial practices that destroys the dollar, eliminates the middle class and completely buries the poor here and around the world. End the sovereignty of the United States and create the North American Union.
All in the name of a wittle food stamp program. Boy, your priorities are jacked up.
blogenfreude @ 107:
Nicely put.
Dr. Matt @ 88:
Ron Paul is proposing the equivalent of horse medicine for the government... The situation we are in right now -sans the Iraq war- is starting to parallel the late 1920s. And Mr. Paul is just another Hoover.
Never mind that Ron Paul is a libertarian in GOP clothes, and whenever it has matter he has been in lock step with the GOP. In fact, he is playing the good cop/bad cop for the GOP which are the ones who got into this mess to begin with. The fact that the Paulettes buy his act proofs me that Libertarians and Ron Paul sycophants are dumber than a bag of rocks.
We need someone who understands that everyone does better when everyone does better, not some selfish prick that is doing better and if you are not then fuck you. Voting for Ron Paul would be akin to getting off the frying pan to fall into the fire. Thanks but not thanks. Having to suffer a possible Hoover presidency again, I would rather skip the clusterfuck and the Hoovervilles and go straight for another FDR. Which is what we need right now, we need a government leader not someone who is going to dismantle it and leave us on our own devices.
The lack of historical memory and naiveté of Americans is astounding, in any other country a person like Ron Paul would have been laughed out of any presidential aspiration long ago. But not here, where someone who is proposing to make things worse for the average person is seem as a new "messiah." Stupid fucks....
TomTom @ 43:
No way. It's my money, not Ron Paul's money. Let him pull himself up by his own bootstraps, by gar. Paleolibertarians don't need no help from no body!
Chris from Ohio @ 108:
If you actually think Psycho Paul is going to make a difference and do anything about your conspiracy theory laundry lists, then you are clearly naive and obtuse. Thank God he's a 5th tier and has no hope to get the election. Seriously, thank God.
Chris from Ohio @ 108:
There are other alternatives to the chimp mass murderer in the white house for the 2008 elections than the batshit insane Ron Paul, you know?
Chicago Joe @ 11:
But she is so CUTE, she wouldn't lie to us...LOL
Dr. Who @ 113:
Who? I like Kucinich but he has talked about a gun ban and that's crazy. Can you imagine what the neocons have in store for us if we are unarmed and have no means to overthrow the government? The rest of the candidates are all CFR members and will continue the neocon/Cheney agenda.
Less than 15 months to go before BUSH/CHENEY is OUT. While they are still in WH office, Congress will continue to set themselves up for MORE FAILURES and will experience MORE resistance from the WH. WH will almost BLOCK anything CONGRESS wants ACCOMPLISH.
It is MOSTefficient and practical at this point in time to USE the TIME left to BEGIN IMPEACHMENT process and would redeem their political power with the BACKING of the AMERICAN PEOPLE. If CONGRESS continue the "STAY THE COURSE" congressional strategy of the SPEAKER of the HOUSE and her followers, it WILL be NO surprise that they too will FALL in the TRAP of the BUSH/CHENEY disaster.
It is insane to continue this ineffective drumbeat of IMPEACHMENT is "off-the-table"; for it was NEVER ever been on the table. IT IS THE TABLE. This is a Congressional DUTY and AMERICANS know it. Civic Scholars know it. The U.S. Constitution, says it. Everyone who has taken the OaTH KNOWS IT. Even those international scholars who have studied U.S. Constitution has learned it. Historians knows it. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW. That is what make a DEMOCRACY as it is; a social system that has a BALANCE between government and its PEOPLE; where the only one that is above them are the LAWS of THE LAND.
It is FOOLISH for Congress to continue on in this direction. It is politically suicidal to continue to allow this cancer to grow from a mole to a mountain of disaster. THERE ARE MILLIONS of PEOPLE who UNDERSTAND this; How could 434 Congresses make SUCH a MISTAKE by allowing the tyrant to continue when it is clear that the problem is at the TOP? Congress has in more than many occassion put the blame at the BUSH regime and the REPUBLICANS that follow them. That has been ESTABLISHED already........NOW it is time for them to ACT............nothing will get done at this point in time. .........There certainly is ONE they can ACCOMPLISH.....IMPEACHMENT proceeding. This WILL UNITE AMERICAN and its PEOPLE and will begin to RESTORE BACK the FAITH we have LOST in our GOVERNMENT and WE will begin to HEAL.
This is NOT about REPUBLICANS; or DEMOCRATS; or INDEPENDANTs; liberal or moderate. This IS about AMERICANS and AMERICA and HOW WE as the most powerful nation is affecting the WHOLE WORLD. This madness MUST STOP and GONGRESS MUST listen before CIVIL SOCIETY take it upon themselves to remove ineffective public servants.
Bit NOLA @ 3:
Right!! Let's do that right away, Dick!
Rusty Shackleford @ 111:
Yeah, I always found that ironic.
Ron Paul is a libertarian when it comes to tell other people to bugger off, but he has been living off the public tit for the most part of his life. Ain't that a bitch.
E Ryno @ 93:
Wrong.
He is a hard right libertarian freak who wants to do his best to kill social programs.
His political ideology is as untenable as straight Anarchism. It is a pipe dream for those who don't understand human nature.
Since it would be a HUGE Democratic majority in both houses, it would be stalemate on a lot of issues.
I am not interested in maintaining status quo. I want a hard turn to the left to bring the country BACK into balance.
An RP presidency will NOT accomplish this.
As for ending the war, Kucinich will do that AND reverse the social destruction regimen we've been the victim of.
So you want to jump the aisle and betray the country all in one shot? Go ahead, I don't hate the country that much.
Kucinich '08.
What part of "NO" do you not understand, Dick? And you aren't wanted here, either. Get the hell out of OUR House.
And they say there is no good news coming out of Iraq. :)
Bit late, a few have been built and more on the way ......
Chris from Ohio @ 114:
Right... imposing the New Deal and saving the country which is based on fact is a total non achievement, when compared to some stupid conspiracy theory based on flimsy evidence at best is a complete indictment of FDR. Because, Pearl Harbor was the fault of FDR not the Japanese dropping the bombs, right? And the Japanese and Nazis would have had left us alone once they were done conquering the rest of Asia and Europe.
Tell you what, you can keep your Hoover. I will stick with FDR...
JJ @ 98:
Always shoot to kill,JJ,unless you`re too drunk.Then shoot `em in the face.
Chris from Ohio @ 114:
Damn, you are a moron.
Trying to sway us to your opinion by calling us stupid fucks isn't going to work asshat.
Hey moderator, why are you letting the Paulettes hijack the threads again? You guys Paulettes too?
Watch for the overthrough of the current government not by the insurgents but by the Bush administration. The whole reason for the invasion was to have access to the OIL
they need to have puppets that cooperate.
The US is constructing a $1 billion embassy complex in Iraq that will be larger than Vatican City. Permanent military will be needed to protect the compound and its staff. US presence in Iraq is permanent. That fact will not change even if Hillary Clinton is the next President of the United States.
Chris from Ohio @ 116:
Yeah, guns... they have worked wonders to stop the advances of the Neo-Cons and protect the bill of rights. Maybe I missed those bands of roving NRAers protecting my rights with their precious guns.
I guess their stategery failed in winning hearts and minds.
Thanks to Dr.s Matt and Who for the research. The minute I found out Paul was anti-choice, I tossed him into the same bin with his theocon pals Brownback, Huckabee, etc. You can't style yourself as a "libertarian" and grab your ankles whenever the Religious Reich tells you to do so. It's a simple as that. Ron Paul can go blow guys in bathrooms for his campaign funds for all I care--he's not getting dime from me. Keep your @#$%^&*ing pro-family values the @#$%^&* away from my family, got it?
Big Government is not the core problem. The unholy alliance of mega-corporations, mega-churches and government is the root problem. Enact term limits. Put some teeth into those campaign laws: Throw a few busloads plutocratic and Dominionist @$$es into the hoosegow (not Club Fed or Camp Cupcake, either!), pauperize their PACs, tax their churches, and you'll see some real compliance after the examples have been made. And, I'm naive enough to hope, we'll see a little more responsiveness to public sentiment. That's what we should be agitating for, instead of treating politics like it's Hogwarts House Cup. Cuz' this game's for keeps.
Oh yeah, that makes a difference. Like our government gives a shit about anything anybody wants. They do what they want and there is no accountability. This government is broken.
HAHAHAHAH! Someone finally had the balls to bitch slap cheney and his warped idea of Cheneyworld. Good for them.
Chris from Ohio @ 116:
I don't know what guns you have, but I don't think most people have the firepower to take on an Abrams tank, an Apache helicopter, or a B-1 bomber.
Jenny'O @ 97:
Remember when Rumsfeld made the threat that the US would move their bases out of "Old Europe" (ie: Germany) to "New Europe" (ie: Bulgaria) because they were not cooperating with the chimp's war... they laughed their asses off and basically said: "when do you start?"
Chris from Ohio @ 116:
With all do respect, the people standing up to the Neocon agenda have either been people who are organizing masses of people to march in the streets, or people legislating with sincerity, or people who are reporting the truth, or well-intentioned liberals who continue to educate and speak out against them. The "people with guns" are too busy voting for neocons or hanging nooses on all-white trees.
#114 Chris from Ohio sounds pretty gung ho for a guy whose vote won't even be counted.
CountWestwest @ 135:
Sorry to quote myself but I also remeber that at that time Bill O'Reilly made the comment that moving the bases was a good way of punishing those who did not go along with the chimp because it would "cripple their economies". Obviously Billo has never been to Germany.
Jenny'O @ 97:
I remember my mom working so hard in that campaign to have the Philippine bases shut down. They succeeded, but left all their toxic waste behind them that they adamantly refused to clean, with a long trail of birth defects and fatherless children from the rampant prostitution that flourished around the bases.
Permanent bases really do reflect thoe Romanesque nature of this new empire. I hope the Iraqis nip this at the bud.
Remember Ngo Dinh Diem? He became the "former" president of South Vietnam thanks to a bullet in the back of his head.
And America kept its hands technically clean, even though the murder could not have occurred without its consent.
Let's not forget the standard conservative argument of, "Look! We have a presence in Germany and Japan, and they turned out fine! We left Vietnam, and look what happened!"
That's bound to crop up.
Another one reason to impeach and convict the motherfucker! Took our money, invest it, and lost it.
MALFEASANCE!!!
Future news article.
...The body inside that man-sized safe found in the landfill just outside the Naval Observatory has been identified as one Mowaffak Al-Rubaie...
Rome @ 40:
I would not bet against you. You are right. Its all about the Bucks.
141 Shadowgm@141
We didn't leave Viet Nam. They fucking kicked our asses! Of course, we were bringing Democracy where they had a monarchy.
Isn't the construction of that
military and espionage baseembassy already well under way? I mean, how the hell do you distinguish that monstrosity from a base...there aren't vintage jets on display outside? Sorry dude, but the base you don't want is there already.anonymous @ 58:
I am sick of it , too. Ron Paul is a dangerous and deranged idiot. Why in the hell would a liberal or progressive citizen vote for someone who would evicerate and destroy our government. Ron Paul is Grover Norquist's wet dream.
The posters here are so amusing in their extreme naivety. Like children. As if the only politicians in Washington who have their heart set on a permanent military presence in Iraq are Republicans. As if the military bases and troops in some 130 countries were all put there without any help from Democrats. As if Democrats haven’t been up to their eyeballs complicit in the nonstop bloodshed and aggression directed against a very long list of countries all these years.
The imperialistic hubris of Democrats is brushed off as simply being afraid of Republicans. lol. This is what Democrats have to keep telling themselves to keep their heads from exploding from the cognitive dissonance.
I often wonder what it would take for those “party before country” types here to finally come to grips with reality. Another 100 years of nonstop bloodshed and imperialism?
CountWestwest @ # 138
" Obviously Bilbo has never been to Germany"
Obviously Bilbo has never been to Japan.
Military bases 'anywhere' are a center for drugs and prostitution.
And in the end when they close the Pentagon refuse to clean up the toxic watse that was left behind.
A big fat no to a big fat ho?
The Iraqi puppets know where their power, money, and protection come from - the US forces. This so-called 'new' claim of no permanent bases is just another in a long line of statements for local (Iraqi) consumption. There have already been deals cut to have our city/colony/bases in Iraq for decades and decades and decades. 194 years isn't permanent is it? It's just a damn long time.
148 Frank
You have to plant the tree before pruning away any branches.
Only the most naive would try to do so any earlier.
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