Valerie Plame On 60 Minutes: "The President Is Not A Man Of His Word"
By Logan Murphy Saturday Oct 20, 2007 9:17pm
Outed CIA covert operative Valerie Plame Wilson and her husband, Joe Wilson, gave an interview to Katie Couric on 60 Minutes. In the first segment, Plame Wilson spoke frankly about being betrayed by this administration, as well as her assessment of the damage done to the nation's security by revealing her identity:
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But the second segment is where Couric goes off the rails and shows her flair for White House talking points. It's almost as if she implies that Plame Wilson should have expected the White House to out her because the work she did touched on the question that sent her husband, Amb. Joseph Wilson, to Niger.
COURIC: You never for a moment thought this could potentially jeopardize my career?
PLAME: It's called ‘living your cover.' This had nothing to do with what I was doing. He was part of the debate.
COURIC: But admit it, it comes awfully close to what you were doing, even covertly. I mean, you were trying to ascertain if Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. He's writing an article saying ‘it's really not valid, this one assertion.' I mean, can't you see how those two things might collide and in a very dangerous way?
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Couric should be embarassed for her arsenal of GOP talking points disguised as an interview. Seriously, this is a covert agent telling you that national security was compromised and you think this is the kind of question that needed to be asked?
Can you understand how people just were turned off by that whole thing? They felt "Gee, maybe she's enjoying her celebrity a little too much."
She even at one point accused Valerie of being very partisan and Joseph Wilson of still seething... can you believe that hackery? Did it ever cross her mind to ask that of President Bush in her softball interview from Iraq? Of course not.
To the end, the Wilsons held strong to the truth and never backed down, even when the CIA made it difficult for her to publish her own book on the events, Fair Game, eventually redacting 10% of it.
Couric: "Do you think President Bush was in on this?"
Plame: "I don't know about that, but I, like most other Americans saw President Bush say on TV that he would fire anyone from his administration found to be involved in the leak of my name. It turns out, the president is not a man of his word."
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Couric's a lightweight who should have stayed with puff pieces on "Today." And Bush is the biggest liar the White House has ever seen. He and Cheney should be impeached NOW.
Just finished watching the interview on the TiVo. Katie started out pretty well, but when she started talking about Plame's job getting too close to Wilson's article, that was it!
I bet if given the chance, Katie would still argue that Plame was not covert.
As for Plame enjoying her celebrity a little too much, that would only be true if she got a nose and boob job and posed for Playboy, like our friend Paula Jones.
Lynne Cheney and Clarence Thomas got the usual soft-focus, adoring profiles Republicans get from CBS - the bigger the monster, the more adoring the gaze - but that vile pig Couric pounced on Valerie Wilson as though she were running dogfights out of the CIA. I admire Wilson more than ever; I despise Couric even more.
If her book is as boring as her interview, well.....
One good thing: Couric is going down. Nobody will be watching her and CBS is going to be forced to give her the boot. For a while I felt sorry for her, when she was being held to standards not criticized in the work of others. But she has gone out of the way to abandon even a modicum of integrity.
Republican Playbook
Responding to Critics
1. Accuse him/her/them of being "politically motivated."
2. Accuse him/her/them of some ulterior motive such as promoting a new book.
3. Accuse him/her/them of not being credible.
4. Make false statements about him/her/them that tend to diminish reputations.
I watched this on 60 min tonight. The Wilsons handled themselves very well, and at times put Couric in her place.
On a side note, I'd like to know how anyone can call the Repugs "the party of national security" when to cover up their own lies, they are willing to compromise an undercover agent and any of her contacts and sources?
The Repugs are the party of "Cover Your Ass"!
Bill Maher should get her as a guest.Let her speak her mind
mudshark @ 9:
Good idea! I'd like to see her on Bill Moyers' show as well!
Seriously, wtf is wrong with Couric? If my wife was a covert CIA agent and our own government outed her and not one person to this day was held accountable, I'd be still seething too. The entire country should be outraged by this willful and treasonous destruction of an intelligence asset. Novak and any government official involved with leaking to him or any other reporter should be prosecuted and recognized for the traitorous SOB's they are. I mean I thought 9/11 changed everything. When is it ever ok to out an intelligence asset? I keep forgetting it's IOKIYAR. Yet, repugs are supposed to be stronger on national security issues. The GOP is nothing but a party of thugs, closet cases, hypocrites and traitors.
If Cheney & Co. did not know Plame's job in the CIA, and they were considering leaking her name, then it was their f*cking job to find out what damage they were getting ready to do. But they just didn't give a damn. It's as simple as that. To hell with national security and a person's career when something benefits them.
shorter Jack Moss:
I ♥ Treason
odanny @ 5:
"Well" what?
I thought a couple of times Valerie Plame was going to get out of her chair and slap Katie silly. I wish she would have.
news flash for Jack Moss:
The CIA says Valerie was a covert agent.
Her classmates from Quantico, including Larry Johnson, say she was a covert agent.
About the only people who refuse to believe that she was a covert agent are Bush cultists.
Whom should I believe... people who know what they are talking about, or people who will say and do anything to rationalize everything done by Worst President Ever?
Jack Moss @ 13:
What did she lie about?
r€nato @ 14:
That about sums it up
13 Jack Moss Says:
A judge dismissed her suit and she lied to in her congressional testimony.
Could you explain what the hell this means?
[deleted - you're itching for a flame war and it stops here.]
Couric is a totally owned "asset" of "CORPRATE "MERIKA" and knows only too well what would happen to her "career" if she did not sling all the mud possible in defense of HER "DEAR LEADER" which would be about the same if she were Korean and shamed their DICTATOR!
Just follow the money, folks! Katie is one of the better paid "hos" in TV.....
Just another corporate media whore outrage.
It is an everyday occurrence now.
My God, let's blame the victim, Ms. Katie Couric. I'd hate to see you interview a rape victim.
The judge dismissed her lawsuit because he was a bushbot.
WC @ 14:
Well, I probably wont read it. Instead I'll opt for "Bush At War" or this one instead
Good assesment Valerie but this has to be the understatement of the century
"It turns out, the president is not a man of his word.”
Worst. President. Ever. What will the Democrats do when history asks why wasn't Bush impeached and removed for his crimes (he is a criminal).
Couric: "But admit it, this comes awfully close to what you were doing - even covertly; I mean you were trying to ascertain whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, he's writing an article saying it's really not valid, this one assertion. I mean, can't you see how those two things might collide in a very dangerous way?"
This is the imperative form of admit. Confess. Declare that you were wrong. This isn't 60 minutes. This is Room 101, and Couric fancies herself O'Brien, the Inquisitor.
I thought she was meant to be a journalist. I must have been wrong. I'll admit that, to anyone.
I like the fact that she can be outed but can't in any way publicly tell about the damage done to America's intel.
GonzoD @ 8:
Until you're next to them in the men's room.
Oh, and Jack? Hope you like Gitmo, because that's where you right-wing traitors will be going.
Couric is [deleted] What a Tool.
I'm convinced that Katie has been convinced that this is what it means to be "tough" on her interviewees in order to not be attacked for being "liberal." Remember Ann Coulter talking about her as the "Eva Braun" of liberalism? Read the messages on the CBS website, for a real Freeper fest. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/17/60minutes/main3378089.shtml
The other thing, of course, is that Valerie does perfectly well responding to the ridiculous charges.
If you don't like Katie's interview, sign into the comments section and leave some sane remarks to oppose the full freeper onslaught.
By the way, on that URL is also a part of the interview that didn't air: that Valerie Plame was working on making sure that we knew about Iran's program, and (possibly) that had something to do with selling them phony plans that would be a waste of time.
If the outing of Valerie Plame was a serious crime, how come Pat Fitzgerald never indicted the two men everybody in America knows were responsible for her outing; Karl Rove & Dick Cheney? Those two dirtbags were not even subpoenaed or placed under oath.The whole Plame investigation was a sham. Fitzgerald netted a sardine named Scooter; he let the big tunas named Rove & Cheney swim free. The Plame fiasco was one big joke. The gullible American public is the laughingstock.
odanny @ 24:
Mmmm...OK.
Sounds like a fair interview.
Remember the sickening clip of Couric in Michael Moore's Fareheit 911?
"Navy Seals Rock!!"
Jim H @ 30:
Well, they could have bumped Rooney's a** and aired that part of the interview. But that ran the chance of actually showing real journalistic integrity, and, well, golly, we just can't have that.
Don't be silly with your criticisms of Couric. Do you want her to be the equivalent of Hannity interviewing Coulter? It was good to ask the questions that part of the audience is wondering about, and let Plame and Wilson answer, and they did just that and well. Would you rather have a lovefest for them? Maybe Couric should do more of that with other guests, but that's a separate issue.
how low 60 Minutes has sunk without Don Hewitt around. Katie Couric? Exactly what are her qualifications for being on this show alongside legends like Mike Wallace?
Another reason that Katie Couric should be fired and why Andy Rooney cannot stand her.
Ozymandias @ 34:
Yup. But she was doing soft journalism for NBC at the time, a corporation that fired Phil Donahue because of his stated reservations on the reasoning behind the impending war.
I always liked Dan Rather. I still like Dan Rather and watch him on HDNet. And I personally agree with his assessment of CBS when he said hiring Couric was "tarting up and dumbing down" the Evening News.
mrogi @ 31:
I believe Fitz couldn't get Cheney and Rove because Scooter, as Fitz explained it, threw sand in his eyes. Scooter took the fall to save Rove and Cheney. And got his sentence commuted as a thank you kiss from Bush.
Couric probably works for the CIA. She will never be "outed" because she and Cheney see eye to eye.
Katie acted like a dim-wit. She is just another tool for the propaganda machine.
mrogi @ 31:
Ever think of changing your name to mrogi_tool?
nz @ 36:
I remember Katie's interview with the boy Bush. It was all softballs tossed into his lap. She was all goo goo eyed.
Saw the interview tonight and there were several points when I wanted to [deleted - do not advocate violence here.] Especially when she accuses Plame of being partisan. Plame, being both smarter and classier than Couric, handled it with aplomb, simply saying that the treatment she has received from the White House has made her partisan. Very good interview on her part. Couric needs to sent back out to covering 4-H and Garden Clubs. Useless Republican shill.
F Couric and her beltwayitis. Kudos to Plame
Just what we needed, another reason to dislike Couric even more.
What would be a better title for this post?
Airhead Fluff vs The Right Stuff
or
Corporate Twit vs True Grit
This is so freaking mind boggling.
One of your true unsung heroes, down in the trenches risking life and limb gets treated with outright contempt and disbelief.
Kristol, Limbaugh and the other merchants of death are upheld as patriots.
Don't mind that sound, 'twas just my head asploding.
Katie Couric is a is a parody of a serious interviewer.
jr @ 46:
Does she have Beltway tits?
Oh, sorry, i see...
BeaverBoy, dam!
katie is scary looking
Katie doesn't know what covert means. Valerie was a covert agent and how stupid was it to ask about the people overseas that she worked with. Now these people are in danger of being killed as the GOP reporter Katie wants their names on TV. I was so glad when Mr. Wilson bitch slapped Katie as he said she didn't know if Mrs. Libby or Mrs. Rove were covert agents. Now I wondered would Katie question her late husband protecting her and their girls if she were attacked. CBS should fire her or buy out her contract. She is giving 60 minutes a bad name and killing their reputation. It's time for CBS to admit their mistake by hiring Katie and count their loses. Every time she interviews a GOP it's suck up time and with non GOP it's attack and damage as much as possible.
Don't look for future interviews with top officials are more GOP indictments come out. Maybe Katie will interview soon to be indicted Al Gonzales.
Couric should have stuck with Emeril cooking segments on Today.
Even as a network hacks go, she is awful....Just awfull.
Couric’s Plan B:
After failing at CBS, she will write a book about how biased the liberal the media is, then take a job on FOX.
She doesn't have the integrity to clean out Edward R. Murrow's ash tray.
nz @ 36:
I agree that she needn't be Larry King but who came up with those lame, personal, Baba Wawa "Some would say..." crap questions? Heaven help us, Edward Murrow!
old hack @ 51:
You know, there was something evil the way her eyes looked.
Maybe it's her seasonal look...Halloween is right around the corner.
It was amazing how much of a hack Couric was; my eyes were falling out of my skull.
What was even worse was trying to explain in any terms why Dick Cheney outed her to my sheep parents... good god its times like these when I think we're utterly screwed.
Couric sure missed the boat on this one. Fortunately Plame handled everything very well. But the big point here is that Joe Wilson was absolutely correct in writing his NYT editorial and as we've seen, the administration's case for war was shaky ALL ALONG. When the administration's protectors claim that "everybody thought" Sadam had WMD, we can see that there were lots of reasons to be skeptical of that claim...that they never sought solid intelligence on the matter, only evidence that would help them go to war.
A war that is proving to be perhaps the greatest blunder in the history of this country's foreign policy.
nonbeliever (post #11) Says -
I agree.
Not only did they put Plames life in danger but everyone she had talked to overseas and in the US. Everyone she had lunch with etc.
This outing was probably one of the lowerst forms of political dirty tricks I have ever witnessed.
Forget about Nixon. This was a deliberate malacious tactic that put the lives of many people in danger, and destroyed God knows how many man hours of work, and the assets she/they had built up over the years.
Cheney/Rove and everyone else involved in this, including those in the media who made this possible, should be tried for their crimes.
Does anyone think that just maybe the VPlame information is conveniently classified because she really has no credentials?
Anyone want to check out her education "for real" instead of the bio stuff published?
There is more to the Plame / Wilson characters -- possible frauds but the CIA won't expose a
long time loyal secretary. They hit big time with the movies and their Hillary campaign contributions.
That piece of shit, Couric, should be relegated to reporting on high school sports. What a complete tool. This whole idea of having to tell "both sides" is another croc of shit. What if there is only one viable side? The Wilsons were targeted. They didn't "do" anything that would merit being targeted. There is no "other side" here to report. I guess reporting the "other side" means repeating the baseless right wing attacks. I'm surprised they still aren't claiming that VP wasn't really "under cover."
The world is going to hell in a handbasket.
Johnny2Bad @ 53:
I tell you who I'd like to see replace Katie: Lara Logan.
PSmith @ 60:
Tin foil is on sale this week at ACME. You sound like you need a new hat.
Of course, Joe Wilson is still seething. So am I and so should the rest of the country. bush/cheny/rove outed a CIa opperative. That is treason. They should all hang.
you know, I'm not trying to launch a conspiracy theory - I'm really not - just pointing out a coincidence.
the Chief Of Operations for the non-nuclear proliferation wing of the CIA was outed... she claims her entire operation was ruined... and less than 18 months later we hear Iran almost has a nuke built and North Korea successfully launched a missile into the Sea of Japan.
OK, again, what was new here for her book launch? What did this interview tell us about the story?
The 'story she hasn't been able to tell' is exactly the same story her husband has been telling for 3 years.
The story seems to be Couric's questions, and even those were rehashes.
PSmith @ 60:
Wow! That is some STRONG shit you are smoking! Where did you get it?
Kouric: What would you possibly know? It's not like you actually had highly classified experience in the field or anything... I on the other hand know just about pretty much everything.
Sometimes I wish we could create a new state and throw all these mindless people who still support Bush and think with the same degenerate mentality as Couric in there and let them gloat about themselves as they silmultaneously bring about their own destruction. At least they wouldn't be dragging the rest of us down with them. THAT would be a reality TV show I'd like to see.
the dvr went on the fritz tonight with the game before 60 minutes-- i missed this report-- thanks for putting it up!!!
burnt @ 65:
Observed that connection a while ago. No conspiracy though, this is the most honest Administration this counrty has ever had!
BillT @ 64:
can we waterboard them first???
couric shuld go visit a few more markets in Iraq - sans armor and several platoons of soldiers to protect her. Then she can report what it's really like to be in the middle of a civil war, and in a place where the occupied wish only to kill the occupiers (after 5 years).
How many news media types know the difference between a covert and a clandestine CIA agent? How many know CIA policy governing agents with non-official as opposed to official cover? How many idiots like Couric know anything about the shit they report every day?
I think it is time for a campaign to let CBS know how offensive that "interview" was to the American people.
PSmith @ 60:
Movies? campaign contributions?
The big point here is that Joe Wilson was absolutely correct in writing his NYT editorial and as we’ve seen, the administration’s case for war was shaky ALL ALONG. When the administration’s protectors claim that “everybody thought” Sadam had WMD, we can see that there were lots of reasons to be skeptical of that claim…that they never sought solid intelligence on the matter, only evidence that would help them go to war.
All this crap about movies and Vanity Fair and the like are deflections away from the truths Plame and Wilson have stated and away from the administration's dishonesty. This president and his minions are always attacking the messenger to obfuscate the truth of what is going on.
The war is proving to be the greatest blunder in the history of this country’s foreign policy, all based on lies and deception.
Hype-Jersey @ 61:
That, my friend, is corporate journalism at its core. There never are two sides. Only the truth.
And yes, I realize its not easy to get to and never, ever complete but its certainly not practiced by Big Media.
She is posting at the HP:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/valerie-plame-wilson/finally-telling-my-st...
Joe and Val were partisan after the fact, and Karl Rove and Novak were doing what in ID'ind an undercover agent? Couric is brain dead.
Couric, and the rest of the morning media prostitutes need to go back to the morning news and their grande latte enemas..
I cant stand that hollow woman...
They had plenty of time since the libby trial and now that Iran is a target, they can bring up her undercover job to finger Iran. very convient timing by cbs.
Huh ??????
Katie , you empty-headed bim ; when and why in the hell would a COVERT AGENT IN THE CIA , ever have that type of thought in their head ???????
A big part of the reason for so much of the outrage over this , is because it was the whole upper levels of the White House that concocted and executed this insane smear and subsequent outing ; when the hell was any undercover CIA agent's cover blown INTENTIONALLY , and by those in the hierarchy of a presidential administration ???????
This is an unprecedented event of pure and outright treason ; meanwhile , we have Mary Poppins who believes herself to be a 'serious reporter' , asking the most insane questions ever uttered ...........
Something else odd I noticed. When Couric mentioned the initial publication of Plame's name, she said it was published in "a newspaper" instead of in "The Washington Post." That was weird, I thought.
the outing of plame, shut down her operation and opened the door to many coverts being put at risk
wanna know why we are crossing swords with iran right now?? because her operation was shut down
if this isnt a high crime...i dont know what is
and the enitre administration should all be charged with treason
JM @ 75:
Sorry, I couldn't help it! It really has always been about the money.
i want to see her interviewed by bill moyers, the only mainstream journalist with any integrity anymore.
couric and pelosi are evidence that women can be just as bad as men when given a chance. couric talks about him seething, she still seems like a high school bitch to me.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 83:
we're crossing swords with Iran, because - in the words of rumsfeld: "They've got all that oil"
groucho @ 85:
the operative word is journalist. that excludes kc, period!
BaScOmBe @ 84:
Spot on bascombe!
nonbeliever @ 11:
Couric couldn't have done a better job if she were a paid NRC employee. I was laughing about how blatant and really when you thought about it how stupids some of her questions were.
nz @ 36:
I must concur. While I don't give Couric (or the media) much respect, it might actually be by design (interviewee included) to act as devil's advocate by asking asshat questions. This gives the interviewee an avenue to address bullshit spewed by cowards who would never invite her on to defend herself.
A lovefest with a contrived, mutual agenda would have rendered the interview incredible by the enemy.
Whenever I am reminded of this incident, I want the admin to pay, and pay big time. Perhaps because I despise bullying authoritarian elites who use their power to destroy the lives/careers of those beneath them who dare disagree with them.
That these people were outed by this unbelievably corupt administration and that the normal anemic response by the demo-leadership has been the usual ineffective foot stomping there famous for, how is it that this entire nation is not inraged, oh that's right, "Dancing with the stars" is on, The American people are way beyond shame and are rounding the bend of moronic idiocy. We deserve all the misery we got coming.
#93 ... your post is the reason that #92 won't ever see justice. The only thing that would work would land us in prison for life.
Valerie Plame Wilson comes off very well. Couric comes off as a bit of a tool. Yes, she should ask tough questions, but not stupid ones.
Two big points: One, why the hell is Couric obsessed about "appearances" and apparently so little concerned about the truth? She's much more concerned about the Wilsons' response to being slimed than them being slimed. Two, why the hell did she softball Bush?
Couric's normally a pretty shallow lightweight, and this interview is no exception. Too bad they couldn't assign Mike Wallace or something.
JM @ 88:
i keep telling them its the oil and israels horny
Two people who have dedicated their lives to the betterment of the country is apparently unimportant. Hello Katie Coulter, and welcome to Fox News.
The Bush/Cheney Administration, or what I like to call GW BOGUS AND THE LIE FACTORY have commited TREASON!!!!!!! Pure and simple! That will be the legacy of this administration; treason and illegal war!!!! Not to mention they're getting away with it!!?????????
It's incomprehensible to me why we are not all screaming this from the mountain tops every day until Pelosi realizes that she doesn't have the moral authority to take justice and accountability 'off the table'.
Nancy Pelosi, with all due respect, just what message will be sent to future administrations by abdicating a constitutional mandate? It's unbelievable!!!
How on earth do these people sleep; I'll never know.
Apparently Katie was aware that it could have jeopardized Plame's career or she wouldn't have asked the question. By asking the question Katie was affirming her understanding of the vindictive nature of the Bush Administration. Plame probably believed the law, and her superiors would maintain her cover. A little naive, but the CIA is suppose to protect its operatives.
It isn't really relevant what Plame and Wilson did after her cover was blown. The crime was done and their actions afterward didn't change a thing. There was no way they could re-establish her cover statis. At the very least it's a logical fallacy. Most Republican talking points are logical fallacies.
I think that is standard journamalism these days. The media turns your life into a circus and then criticize you for "enjoying" your notoriety. You know, because if you didn't rip their head off you must have been asking for it.
Carmikl @ 101:
Yes, my reading comprehension skills need work. I guess I missed the part where nz responded to me at any point. Please point that out to me. Given my lack of reading comprehension, please explain what "you guys" means in the context of quoting me responding to nz. I might learn something after all.
And wow, what a coincidence that I referred to a contributor to a blog with a zillion hits ... and you actually turned out to be a contributor to a blog with a zillion hits!!! No shit. "Be careful what you wish for ..." What does that even mean? What exactly was I wishing for that would be bad?
Janet @ 23:
What is a Bushbot?
I tried to give Couric some benefit of the doubt but two particular instances we're off-putting. The frist was the discussion about "enjoying the fame" and the second was the discussion about going after a target's family. Couric didn't get it Wilson's point.
Hail To The Chimp @ 74:
I'm with you, when Couric said "The top aids to both the President and the Vice President, leaked you name to reporters..." I was like...ahh, wasn't it Richard Armatige who leaked the name and wasn't it to one reporter, not multiple aids to multiple reporters, and didn't Armatige work for the office of the Secretary of State, not the President or the Vice President? I was offended just like you were Hail to the Chief.
Bushbot #1 @ 112:
It WAS leaked to several different reporters. Only the enablers ran with the story though.
Janet @ 114:
Really? How can something be leaked multiple times? Was it simultaneously leaked? Did the various offices of the government synchronize their watches and hit send on the text messages to all these reporters at the same time? I thought reporters had something called a scoop then kind of like. Why would one reporter wait for various other reporters to get the information before running with it? I am having a hard time following this multiple leaks to multiple reporters scenario.
[Speaking of tools, Max, how are you? Not too sharp I see-Sitemonitor]
"Couric should be embarassed for her arsenal of GOP talking points disguised as an interview."
Um... I don't know if you've ever actually conducted an interview, but it's really better to conduct one by asking critical questions.
They told several different reporters the story. Many held on to it and didn't run it. Try not to be so obtuse. I don't drink koolaid. All the details are out there. Try reading a book instead of watching Faux news.
Katie C: "Can you understand how people were turned off by that whole thing?" (the picture)
Edwin (yeah me): "Katie, can you understand how the entire world is turned off by Bush lying the USA into an illegal war?"
I dunno-- which is worse?
Thanks C&L for the video. I had my DVR set to record, but the football game went on a little too long and I only got about five minutes of the interview.
smarterthanyou @ 116:
Tool sheds?
You sound just like the Snap On Truck that passed me without a muffler the other day.
Katie Couric is fecal matter.
Couric is clearly aware of who's watching and the criticism of her and Valerie , and that's why she HAs to throw a bone to right wing , with blaming Valerie P. for the outcome . However the bottom line won't change , Bush lied , powell lied and the whole administration LIED , and couldn't stand the truth coming out from Wilson , Saddam wasn't trying to get Yellow Cake from Niger . Surprising powell the so called hero didn't know Yellow Cake purchases took years and you had to be on a waiting list for over 2 years . I found that out day after his fraudulent speech . It's also strange he didn't know that " mobile weapons labs" with CANVAS SIDE FLAPS , is the worst environment for working with Chemicals of any kind , Iraqis are not that stupid ( as reported by the Guardian , the next day). But powell and bush must think we are that stupid.
Hey look Hannity is still trying to spread the fabricated assertion , that Ron Paul's poll numbers are somehow rigged , by his supporters . Unfortunately for Hannity Ron Paul is much smarter , responding with " it's a Fox poll , don't you trust your OWN poll " lol .
[Actually no one was banned for that. But you are now-Sitemonitor]
smarterthanyou @ 116:
I know. Just like Bush isn't really president because the election was stolen fraudulently. But here we are in October 2007 still talking about these things.
I always thought that when someone smarter than me spoke it would be worth hearing.
Guess not.
Janet @ 118:
If I'm not mistaken, those discussions were post Novak's article. For instance, Miller says she learned of Plame from Libby a couple of weeks after Novak wrote his article? That isn't a leak, that is discussing current events. Oh, I do read....mainly Commentary Magazine .....Muuaaahhhhhh.
Scott1960 @ 15:
Pay-per-view stuff!!!
Bushbot #1 @ 127:
Sorry to inform you that you are mistaken. The fact that you believe Judith Miller says it all. Read Hubris. It tells you step by step how they did it. They shared their little treason with several including Miller but the papers would not run the story.
Oldgringo say.."Couric is a totally owned “asset” of “CORPRATE “MERIKA” and knows only too well what would happen to her “career” if she did not sling all the mud possible in defense of HER “DEAR LEADER” which would be about the same if she were Korean and shamed their DICTATOR!
Just follow the money, folks! Katie is one of the better paid “hos” in TV…
Bob Schieffer is on the same network and DOES speak out. What do you make of that..gringo?
Ashes ashes all fall down....
And your problem with this is Couric?
Hero Joe and Heroine spouse waited four months past the friggin' invasion to pen their courageous Op-ed piece?
Their big problem with what happened next is the damage done to their careers?
People are being slaughtered every goddamn day, and Valerie and Joe are bitching about the damage done their to their crappy careers?
Since when did a loyal diplomat during the Reagan years-Joseph Wilson-have a career to be proud of? Since when is working for the CIA something I'm supposed to get behind?
It's too damn late now, but if you want to You Tube something for the ignorant masses, You Tube Dick Cavett's interview with CIA whiner Frank Snepp.
Poor Frank sold his goddamn soul to the CIA, and found himself-through no fault of his own, of course- in Sai Gon, April 1975.
It was a career ender. When the Commies take over your job location by SURPRISE,
because you've been sending the bosses the cherry-picked crap...
Well, Frankie boy endured about a couple of weeks of anxiety during the "last days" of Sai Gon and wrote a book about it.
Decent Interval, check it out.
Yeah, it was censored by the CIA, redacted, as they say now.
As I recall, he went on Dick Cavett's show to bitch about the problems with the CIA and his book sales.
Dick Cavett asked him, as I recall, what kind of human being would hire on to the CIA in the first place?
That's the question.
Couric did not ask it, but neither do we???
132 wobbly
While i see your point and might even agree, you seem to miss a larger point: The President of the United States OUTED a CIA agent to persue a personal agenda.
Does this mean anything to you?
You must not have read anything about the trial of Scooter Libby. How many reporters does it take testifying before people understand that this story was leaked to multiple reporters? Judith Miller of the NYTimes (who wrote "Valerie Flame" in her notebook and went to jail rather than testify against her good bud Scooter until he gave her the go-ahead), Matt Cooper of Time magazine and Tim Russert of NBC, all of whom testified in court - and there may have been others I've forgotten. Only Novak published the story, though. Perhaps at least some of the others who did not publish the story thought outing a covert agent might be - oh, I don't know - maybe a federal CRIME?
Who goes to Niger on a junket? That question alone is laughable. Now a golf trip to St. Andrews in Scotland, that's what I call a junket.
who can really say what Plame's level of involvement was?
my friend was over here watching the 60 minutes interview with me. I was curious to see it. he's a right-leaning meathead mooch (bless his heart though, a great friend) and he needed to use laundry facilities and was eating a pot roast I made for me and my son for dinner.
anyway - he doesn't follow politics *too* closely. he had no idea who Valerie Plame was. I gave him a quick run down of both sides.. he laughs and says "dude, she doesn't look like a CIA agent, she looks like a f*kin soccer mom!"
so I was like "dude, what *DO* CIA agents look like? Jack Bauer? James Bond? That cigarette smoking guy from X Files?"
you know what I mean? I mean - if you can look at two CIA employees side by side and be like "oh yea, that one's an agent, but that one isn't..." - well, then... we got a pretty crappy intelligence system!
I thought the whole point of working for the CIA was, nobody is supposed to know you work for the CIA? thats what keeps both the Jack Bauers and the Janitors equally comfortable working there. I can't believe that this administration would just sit back when that kind of trust was compromised, and they're not pursuing this more aggressively.. thats why I have to assume they're complicit.
Valerie Plame's "status" as a CIA operative is a distraction... she was employed by a military intelligence agency, she was outed, and the military's commander in chief does not appear to be bothered by this.
I stopped watching Kouric the moment it was announced that Rush Limbaugh was going to be one of her first guests when she started on 60 minutes. I guess if your going to blow your credibility, might as well get it out of the way early. No Kouric on my TV.
Couric.
Couric is an abomination. Does anyone remember her on 9/11? "This is just like a movie...This is just like a movie." Then there was her trivializing news when she swapped spots with Jay Leno for a stint...and talked about nothing but her tits, for godsakes.
Who ever produced and edited this Wilson piece obviously hates her. There was no natural sound companioning Couric's track...just flat, dull Katie sound with words she strained to read into a microphone.
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In case any of you didn't notice, CBS scrubbed the "Iran" part from this interview.
The preview of this interview (with the part in question) can be seen HERE.
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Condor @ 117:
Critical questions based on facts, not based on the opposition party's discredited talking points.
Journalism isn't about taking the other guy's side regardless.
Plame was outed in retribution for her husband doing his job and speaking out as a citizen. That doesn't make her "fair game" to be outed. Katie asserted her outing was a legitimate tactic and to be expected and is accepting a breach of law for pure partisan politics. She phrased her question like a dumb robot repeating discredited spin. Hard hard hitting turned into weak minded by phrasing a question to assert a GOP talking point as fact.
Laws were broken. The President failed to keep his word. We lose national assets assessing WMD proliferation.
All you care about is how the Wilson's failed your arbitrary time line.
The day the NYT article was published what NOT the first time Joe Wilson spoke out. It was the beginning of the smear campaign against his wife.
wobbly @ 132:
Couric is in way over her head. CBS, reluctant to admit any mistake, will never fire her. Get used to this vacuous pest, she was created by NBC and amplified by CBS.
I would not trust Couric to interview the Whitehouse Dogs at this point, she is incompetent. ( I also think that maybe she should have been required to read Joe's Book and also read sections of Valerie's Book)....She came off as disrespectful and snippy...and frankly- uneducated esp sitting across from this elegent eloquent woman....And HOW DARE she ask Joe WHY he is seething- these two fine people worked for our Country for over 40 years combined - they are indeed Patriotic heros...and she can't even ask questions respecting that history...much less the Horrible thing this Administration Knowingly DID....maybe someone should send Katie a Dictionary and explain to her WHAT constitutes Treason, and then maybe someone should also send her the FOX job listings....
Valerie and Joe are incredibly brave and we should be proud and grateful to both of them....
and Shame on the Criminals in the Whitehouse.....
strange that such a serious breach of security is being trifled
for , apparently, purely political purposes.
Valerie and Joe Wilson--American heroes.
Katie Couric--corporate American fool/tool.
That interview was a wheelbarrow of Couric units
Katie katie........( I am shaking my head left and right)....
You just haven't learn your lesson. You are at it again.
You just know so well HOW to turn people OFF.
You are just as fickle minded as always. You can ask the question but you should never underestimate the intelligence of another as though you have more (intelligence) than anyone you interview. It makes you look SOooooo Sooooo foolish. You're a reporter and it is not your job to pass judgement or be so presumptious.
I've had enough of you already.
did couric even TRY to interview any of the smear-ers?
if not, wy not?
if she did & they refused, wouldnt that be a part of the story?
Sneer @ 143:
Well-said, and I think that about sums it up.
Read this in light of this post:
"The Man Who Knew Too Much"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2188777,00.html
And I agree with Sneer as well. Lousy interviewer. Plame should have opted for Bahbahwawa.
Bush 41's statement about treason should have been front and center in that interview, and Plame should have been asked whether she thought what 43's admin did to her amounted to that.
Thanks for the quotes so I don't have to view the clips. Reminded me why I quit watching the Today Show in '01.
joe @ 142:
You're misunderstanding wobbly. The point is that the enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend.
Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame were ratfucked by the Bush administration. In doing so, the Bush Administration broke the law and put the lie to their supposed devotion to national security as they claim to understand it.
But that doesn't make Wilson or Plame heroes, just victims. (John McCain in 2000 was also a victim of outrageous smearing by Bush and Rove, but that hardly qualifies him for celebration.)
Look at the policies, institutions, and masters that Wilson and Plame have served over the course of their careers. In the bigger picture these folks are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
The world is a complicated place. If we're serious about changing the sorts of policies that the Bush administration has pursued it simply won't do to treat all of this administration's many victims as heroes. It's quite enough to point out the lying and criminality of the Bush administration without rushing to the defense of those aspects of the national security state that happened to run afoul of the Mayberry Machiavellis.
Well, maybe Katie can get a job with fox when she gets booted off cbs . . .
http://www.atlargely.com/2007/10/did-cbs-scrub-t.html
Take a look at this short link.
The author brings up a great point and I'm not sure if it was mentioned on this thread or not.
CBS scrubbed the Iran part of the story from the interview. Katie is under the influence of Kool Aid, again. Like so many news celebreties, she cannot seem to shake her drinking problem.
Most people can't hide their lies. It's usually written all over their faces and in their deliveries. You can tell every word Joe and Valerie are saying is the truth just by the conviction in which they tell it. Just as you can tell just about every word Bush and Cheney says is a lie, it's all over their faces.
In another place and time BushCo would have paid for their treason against the United States and paid dearly.
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