Hey, they've learned a lot from the current White House.

Never admit a mistake. Just keep repeating it until it's accepted as fact.

Re Giuliani, h'yeah, they have so little respect for Americans that they think it will all fly.

He has the brains of a piggy bank.

Sombody should initiate a Truth in Advertising suit. That would get a little coverage.

rudy and his crew are following the recently successful rove/bush game plan for presidential candidates ....lie lie lie until it appears to be the truth and repeat 9/11 terror 9/11 terror. this is starting to look like text book repube strategy. U.F.B.(unf---ingbelievable)

john boy walton must be spinning in his grave.

What's needed is for another candidate to call him on this. The problem is Rudy is running against other Repukes at the moment -- none of whom is going to argue that the American health care system is anything but the best.

This is WRONG! This is a LIE that is presented to the media AS A LIE and they don't even -

What? He's Republican?

Never mind!

Lies and the Lying Liars they are....hmmmmm...where have I heard that before?

For year survival rates.
US:
Overall, 99% of men diagnosed with prostate cancer survive at least 5 years.

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_2_6x_Prostate_Cancer_Sur...

UK:
The relative five-year survival rate for men diagnosed in England in 2000–01 was 71%

http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/types/prostate/survival/

From one of the linked articles the figures come from a Dr. using statistics in a study done by a research group.

Then the research group retorts, "Five-year survival rates cannot be calculated from incidence and mortality rates."

UH, yes it can. At the end of five years you are either dead or alive there is no fudge factor for dead or alive.

Greg Sargent hammered this point home: 'Memo to media: Rudy and his campaign think you’re a bunch of chumps'

You think after letting bushco get away with starting a war that has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians (so far!), the media is going to step up to the plate over this?

Get it through your heads. THIS is the media now. For the intents and purposes our founders had in mind when they guaranteed the freedom of the press, Blogs ARE the media. The corporate shills Mr. Sargent refers to as the media have stopped doing their jobs around the same time the government stopped representing the people, i.e. a long damn time ago.

Filthy Harry @ 19:

Greg Sargent hammered this point home: 'Memo to media: Rudy and his campaign think you’re a bunch of chumps'

You think after letting bushco get away with starting a war that has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians (so far!), the media is going to step up to the plate over this?

Get it through your heads. THIS is the media now. For the intents and purposes our founders had in mind when they guaranteed the freedom of the press, Blogs ARE the media. The corporate shills Mr. Sargent refers to as the media have stopped doing their jobs around the same time the government stopped representing the people, i.e. a long damn time ago.

Today's MSM= baa baa baa baa baa, thank you sir may I have another?

Two days ago Chris Matthews ran the ad and praised it - I sent him an email today (or to Hardball that is) challenging him to follow up on it. Nothing today - he was too busy slamming Hilary the whole hour. But we do need to try and put some heat on the media.I'm also surprised Olberman hasn't brought it up.

the msm runs these lies and at the same time accuses bloggers of not vetting their information.

Image is everything.

'Reality is what we say it is'.

Like George, like Rudy.

A pair of nothings, nadas, zeros.

The odds of us having two nothings in a row as presidents are slim.

But hey, this is not the old US of A.

In a 'God'-loving, 'God'-fearing abortion of a society, a 'Miracle' is possible.

Pray to Nature to save us all from a Giuliani.

OxyCon @ 28:

Memo to Greg Sargeant: The media want Rudy Giuliani to be the next President and they will give him favorable coverage and they will promote him the same way they did for George W. Bush. That's because the press thinks that American citizens are a bunch of chumps.

Yep. MSM = PR machine. They probably get a bonus if their candidate wins.

All I can say is..
http://therealrudy.org/
He is counting on the fact that most of America only listens to commercials and sound bites. Hopefully enough of America is awake enough so we won't end up with even worse than George Bush (if that is even possible).

So what. That was alomst as pathetic as watching them try to get Hillary to say whether she DID or DID NOT agree with Elliott Spitzer.

Two peas in the same corporate pod. Sit back and watch the antics. Then accept who they shove down our throats.

Serious "journalists"? Isn't that an oxymoron, given the times that we're in?

Paul in LA @ 3:

He has the brains of a piggy bank.

a grin like a '58 Buick...

(c'mon everybody, keep it going)

I hate to sound like a broken record, but when is the media going to mention that Rudy's cancer cure was paid for by the taxpayers? That's socialized medicine. I'd like to buy into that plan myself.

John Bolton's Mustache @ 17:

From one of the linked articles the figures come from a Dr. using statistics in a study done by a research group.

Then the research group retorts, "Five-year survival rates cannot be calculated from incidence and mortality rates."

UH, yes it can. At the end of five years you are either dead or alive there is no fudge factor for dead or alive.

A lot depends on the median age that the cancer is detected and the type of tumour that is detected. In the US the PSA test is used extensively and it detects prostate cancer very early which skews the 5 year mortality rates. I suggest two alternative links for you to read (well not counting what I wrote over where the cats only read). The CBC had a piece on this recently and there is another page at the National Cancer Institute that goes into detail about the difficulty of coming up with good statistics for prostate cancer.

I am so damned tired of people using numbers to lie. I use them for a living to try to tell the truth and people like Rudy piss me off because they rely on the fact that the average American is innumerate.

cross dressing, mob connected HMO whore serial groom on the march

I sure hope they make him the leading republican. We are going to have a good time with this bastard to the point he will crawl into his cave and never show his ugly ass face again.

Memo to media: Rudy and his campaign think you’re a bunch of chumps. They have nothing but complete contempt for the truth and for everything that purportedly led you all to become journalists.

(Presumed) Media Response: Cool, thanks. Let him know we feel the same way. Journalism sux!!! LOL!!

All republicans are liars and cannot be trusted.

9/11 9/11 9/11. Run. Be afraid. Lather, rinse, repeat.
9/11 9/11 9/11. Run. Be afraid. Lather, rinse, repeat.

etc.

Jack Damage @ 6:

Evi-damed-dently, he's a serial liar who has hired serial liars to help him serially lie... People like that usually have been that way from day one... Maybe that's got more to do with why he's not running New York anymore... He may be able to bullshit the burbs, but I hear those reg-lars downtown? They don't play that shit...They are just a bit more savvy... I know, why don't we ask some NY firemen or cops what they have to say about this fuck now.... Mr, noun,verb, 9-frikin-11... JD

The corporate / repiglican media is at it again, just like in 2000 as they purposefully created a 'game plan' to destroy gore with made up stories and lies that were repeated over and over and over just as their Fuhrer, shitstain bush, did and does by 'catapulting' the propaganda. If you viewed the last debate you saw with you one eyes the 'corporate media's hit men' in the form of the corporate sluts called 'miss' brian wiliams and 'miss' tim russert go after Clinton like rapid animals. This is all part of the game plan just like with Gore. And of course the rancid cumslut called Chris Matthews is at it again with his unrelenting lies and made up 'story lines' to pedel over and over and over , just like he did with Gore. These stupid repiglican cumsluts should not even be allowed on television for they are producing and promoting a purposefull, criminal. fraud against the american people on behalf of their CORPORATE MASTERS. All progressive and rational people need to stand up and fucking expose these corporate pigs for what they are, and what they do. Please read the only real blog that exposes this 'corporate game plan' for what it is: THE DAILY HOWLER. This is the type of reporting and exposure that is needed in america in order to begin to defeat this EVIL. Here is today's post on the Daily Howler. Read it for yourself and ask yourself what you can do to help expose this EVIL FOR WHAT IT IS.

LET’S PLAY TEE-BALL! Welch’s Lost Boys went after the witch, tee-ing it up for their brothers: // link // print // previous // next //
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 31, 2007

TRISTERO JUST KEEPS GETTING IT RIGHT: Tristero just keeps getting it right about the way the “mainstream press” is disappearing Darling Huckabee’s conduct in the tragic Wayne DuMond case. But please don’t miss the larger picture. This is a tale of 1990s-style lunacy—the type of lunacy the mainstream press corps is all about disappearing. They simply won’t tell you about the way they bought into the lunacy about Bill Clinton. And they will simply never tell you what they did after that to Candidate Gore. All these things must be disappeared—and the tragic Wayne DuMond case was an embarrassing part of this lunacy.

Remember: As late as August 1999, your “mainstream press corps” was putting the crackpot Gennifer Flowers on major TV shows—to accuse both Clintons of multiple murders! Well-trained boys on the liberal web won’t discuss such troubling matters, but your “mainstream press corps” was out of its mind during the bulk of the 1990s. They don’t want you revisiting that, which is why you see so much history erased. In this case, Huckabee’s lunacy must disappear. It brings us too close to our actual history—the recent history that good liberal boys have agreed to disappear.

Readers! Why didn’t Gore just tell a joke and make his bad press coverage stop? People who will clown like that will also make Huckabee’s conduct vanish. Huckabee is a wonderful man, it now seems—and that Wayne DuMond thing never happened.

Tristero just keeps getting this right; just don’t miss the larger picture. It’s hard for rational people to see the way the modern press really works. “Man [sic] is the rational animal,” Aristotle said. But alas! This savant was still dreaming.

LET’S PLAY TEE-BALL: Maureen Dowd’s columns—like this groaner today—actually serve one useful purpose. In all honesty, if such work weren’t publicly offered, we would have no earthly idea that people this stupid existed. Her new piece is brainless from the start. But before long, Dowd types this perfect inanity; she refers to Caitlin Flanagan’s latest outing in the sad, broken Atlantic:

DOWD (10/31/07): Hillary surely hopes there is a harbinger in Argentina, where voters just rewarded their former president for his economic prosperity by electing his wife to succeed him.

''And why not?,'' former first lady Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner said about Hillary yesterday. ''Another woman wouldn't be bad.''

Ms. Flanagan is not so sure. She was particularly bothered by Hillary's callousness in dumping Socks, the beloved White House cat and best-selling author, on Bill's former secretary Betty Currie.

But maybe the qualities that many find off-putting in Hillary—her opportunism, her triangulation, her ethical corner-cutting, her shifting convictions from pro-war to anti-war, her secrecy, her ruthlessness—are the same ones that make people willing to vote for a woman.

Dowd just couldn’t help herself; she had to cite Flanagan’s complaint about Socks, a complaint whose cosmic brainlessness has been widely cited in the past week. And then, of course, she seamlessly moved to complaints about Clinton’s “ruthlessness”—using a word which was endlessly used in the trashing of Candidate Gore. (People like Josh Marshall don’t want to go into it, but the same stories are told about all Major Dems—and the Dowds are going to tell these stories until we force them to stop. Josh just won’t go there.) At any rate, let us repeat: If work like this didn’t appear in the Times, we would never have understood that human beings could be this stupid. But presumably, it always will be like this—as long as have a multimillionaire press corps. As in Versailles, so now at the Times. Dowd’s silly languor is a public embarrassment. But in the world of high Antoinettes, the inanity has always been thus.

That said, Dowd does provide one more service today. She explains what Jack Welch’s famous “Lost Boys” were doing on that debate stage last night. Tim Russert and Brian Williams turned in an astounding performance, the like of which we’ve never seen in any debate on any level. As she ends this morning’s piece, Dowd—a culture-mate of the pair—describes their strategy, even as she continues her insults of Clinton, the same ones she aimed at Vile Gore:

DOWD: Few are concerned that Hillary is strong enough for the job. She is cold-eyed about wanting power and raising money and turning everything about her life into a commodity. Yet, the characteristics that are somewhat troubling are the same ones that convincingly show she will do what it takes to beat Obama and Rudy. She will not be soft or vulnerable. She will not melt in a crisis.

And, unlike Obama, she doesn't need to talk herself into manning up. Obama whiffed in the debate last night when Brian Williams and Tim Russert teed up the first question for him to take on Hillary—something the debate dominatrix never would have done.

The script we find in that first paragraph comes straight out of Campaign 2000. Al Gore—sorry, cold-eyed Clinton—is willing to do and say anything! But then, these scripts will be aimed at Dem front-runners as long as liberals and Dems permit it. For years, we’ve refused to fight back.

And we’ve refused to discuss the conduct which Dowd correctly describes in that passage. If you watched the debate, you saw what occurred: In fact, Russert and Williams “teed it up” for Obama and Edwards all night long. (Presumably, Dowd had an early deadline.) We thought their performance was simply stunning; there has never been a debate like it. That said, we thought Garance Franke-Ruta, live-blogging the session, had the eyes and the guts to see and say what was happening half-way through. She posted this at 9:57 Eastern, when the gang-bang staged by these weak-minded boys had reached a remarkable level:

FRANKE-RUTA: OK, this is now everybody—and I do mean everybody—against Clinton. It makes her look brave for just standing there, this small determined woman being attacked by three men on either side of her, two male moderators, and the entire male Republican field. Each of the critics on his own would be more effective, but taken as whole, the optics of this are uncomfortable.

In retrospect, we’ll go beyond that; in fact, the optics were pitiful. It was sad to see that Obama and Edwards would take part in such a Salem witch-dunk; of all the boys who stood on the stage, only Richardson had the decency to announce that he wouldn’t be part of it. (God bless the occasional man who stands up and says he won’t do this.) Of course, our nominee doesn’t have to be a woman to provoke this kind of ugly reaction; in Campaign 2000, the Dem nominee was a man, so Dowd just imagined that he was a woman, announcing that Gore was “so feminized [that] he’s practically lactating.” (As has been quite plain for years, this person is deeply unwell.) But when the Democratic front-runner is a real woman, the press corps’ multimillionaire culture warriors don’t have to imagine they’re slaying a lady. They can savage her right in the flesh! What a shame that Big Dems played along.

In the next few days, with transcripts (presumably) available, we’ll take a look at the remarkable questions posed last night by Welch’s Lost Boys. (We’ll compare them to the lazy softballs their island-mate served at the last GOP debate.) They were hired to serve this purpose, and they’ve served this purpose quite well; they trashed your nominee during Campaign 2000, and sent the world’s dumbest man to the White House. But if you tend to doubt the fact that their souls are driven by a gender madness, we’ll close today with a report from last night’s NBC Nightly News. The headline comes to us straight from Nexis. This really is the way someone at NBC News viewed last evening’s event. Look for men to go after Clinton, some poor broken loser cried out:

NBC NIGHTLY NEWS (10/30/07):

Look for men to go after Senator Hillary Clinton in tonight's Democratic debate

BRIAN WILLIAMS: And on that very stage, my partner in the questioning for tonight's debate will be our Washington bureau chief, the moderator of Meet the Press, Tim Russert. And, Tim, as rare as it is to telegraph your strategy, here's Barack Obama, this weekend, New York Times, saying, “Yes, I'm going to be tougher against Senator Clinton.” What can he do now? That raises the stakes.

TIM RUSSERT: He has to fulfill his promise, his pledge. Now, I think it will not be like two caged animals. But, Brian, he has to be very pointed in separating himself from Hillary Clinton on specific issues. He also has to provide a rationale for his candidacy. More than politics of hope, more than turn the page, he has to say, “On Iraq, Iran, Social Security, no matter what the issue is, we differ. You're a wonderful woman, you have a great husband, but we differ on these issues, and I can win a general election.” It's a very high hurdle for Obama to succeed.

WILLIAMS: And we're talking about two of the people on stage tonight. There are a lot of others that like very much to get their message heard above the din.

RUSSERT: They're going to say to you, “Let me in, coach.” John Edwards, watch him closely, Brian. He is absolutely going on a no-holds-barred, take no prisoners. I believe he will be more candid, more blunt, more acerbic in his language than Barack Obama. Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, Rill Richardson, Dennis Kucinich, this is it for them. They know they have to make a mark in tonight's debate, two months to go.

WILLIAMS: All right, partner, I'll see you on stage. Tim Russert, thanks!

Clinton? To these sad, hand-picked corporate partners, she is “a wonderful woman” who has “a great husband.” And yes—at NBC News, some poor soul actually did put that headline on this report. “Look for men to go after Clinton!” As with Dowd, so with this: You wouldn’t know that such people exist...

At any rate, the “men” did go after Clinton last night—holding hands like blubbering babies, looking like frightened, wet-legged boys. Brian and Tim and Barack and John learned an inspiring lesson last night—if the four hold hands and help each other, they can work up their courage to dunk the vile witch. Yes, they did the same thing to Candidate Gore, simply pretending that he was a woman. But this will be done to Democratic front-runners as long as we Dems and libs permit it. And uh-oh! If the work of our brilliant web leaders provides clues, this will go on for a very long time. So will Republican control of the White House.

So will Republican warring, of course. Could you believe the questions those idiots asked about their hopes for war with Iran? We’ll look at their questions tomorrow—and we’ll see what it’s like to play tee-ball.

TOMORROW: If Tim and Bri do another debate, will water-boarding be allowed?

OTHER EYES: Different eyes see different things. During the period when Garance piped up, here’s what Josh Marshall saw:

9:45 PM ... Whatever you think of Clinton's answer to this experience question, I still get a chuckle out of Giuliani's idea that he was somehow commander-in-chief of New York City. Responsible for the safety of millions of people? The Mayor?

9:52 PM ... Again with this doofus Giuliani 'experience' question. Made a payroll? Rudy? Opening and rainmaking consultancy to cash in on your public service. That doesn't count. Face it. Giuliani was a government lawyer his entire life until he served two terms as mayor. Nothing wrong with that. Very honorable. But don't pretend you're some sort of business man.

10:01 PM ... Okay, I may have to endorse Biden after this tear against Rudy. Right, the least qualified man running for president since George Bush. Actually, this whole answer is pretty great. Not really being in the race is sorta liberating.

10:03 PM ... Why do we indulge Tim Russert's delusion that he's an expert on social insurance programs?

10:04 PM ... Here's the thing with Hillary. Not always inspiring answers. But, man, she never flubs an answer. Simply unflappable. Like a machine. And I mean that as a compliment.

Of course, Josh will always cut and run. To read what he saw in real time, just click here. But uh-oh! In this morning’s post, he’s getting in line with what PayPal donors have said.

If you agree with either one of these outlooks, won’t you please submit a donation? By the way, just a hint: People who retract their own vision this way will not describe your recent history. It’s great to see our liberal “leaders” adjusting to what Josh calls “the spin.” At least Chris Matthews waited two days to flip on Bush-Gore Debate I.

Figures lie and liars figure. DC would be a pretty lonely place if a high degree of integrity and minimal self-interest were prerequisites to join the "Inside the Beltway Club." Politicians are constantly struggling to maintain even a thin layer of altruistic veneer over their own personal agendas, and many other sources of "truth and justice" are rather suspect as well.

Did he manage to squeeze in 9/11, somehow? I know it's health care, but... squack.