Real Time New Rules: The Thrilla In Vanilla, Thankshallowismas & Crass Warfare
By Logan Murphy Friday Nov 02, 2007 7:30pm
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In the New Rules segment on Friday night's Real Time with Bill Maher, he starts out by criticizing Barack Obama for saying he was going to take the gloves off during the Democratic debate earlier this week, only to get caught checking out Hillary's backside as they passed on stage. He also takes aim at the income disparity in the U.S. and the Dittoheads who are being had by the Republicans and has a fine idea for the upcoming holiday season:
Maher: "New rule, Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas must be combined into one single super-holiday called Thankshallowismas. That way you only have to get together with your batshit family once, in a costume, for candy, presents, and a big turkey dinner. Then it's everybody into the den to watch football until your drunken uncle calls your cousin a whore."
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I agree with this Thankshallowismas thing. Only difference it's not my drunken uncle, it's my drunken brother. How I hate the holidays. Yes I am a bitter middle aged man.
Just in case...Frist!
Obama checkin out Hillary's ass........ewwww.....funny but kinda gross.....well...not kinda.ewwwww.
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Kucinich saw something that he couldn't identify in the sky. He never said it was a flying saucer (cause that would've been an identified Flying object).
Meanwhile, Russert and Timmeh and most of the audience believe they talk to an invisible White Dude in the sky every sunday. Their marriage ceremonies involve this Dude's representative on earth. When they die, they expect to wake up in an ethereal afterworld, right next to the Big Dude.
And Kucinich is the crazy one?
Sometimes Maher is right on the money.
I'm looking forward to Festivus.
one thing he said that rang true with me was,when he was talking to the guy who wrote the book Blackwater.Maher called them "Christian Supremacist".....THOSE are the ones that piss me off! Maher coined a new phrase there....and rightly so.
Been Had's..........yep that sounds about right.
Its simple people. Don't support the government actions, don't pay taxes. If this is democracy, lets cut them off. If 2 million college students didn't pay for a year, it would not be a drop in the water, but then only those who vote for the idiots would be paying for their corporate profits. Besides its a catch-22. Get a petition to sign. Once you hit a large number of people, hold your taxes and invest them in a savings account. Then be arrested when they come. Could you see the government arresting 100,000... 500,000... millions of people for tax evasion? The more who decide to commit to empowering themselves, the less power the government has over us. Nonviolence is still a wonderful thing.
PS - Henry David Thoreu did this already when he stopped paying taxes cause he didn't support slavery. Went to jail to. Although his friends bailed him out and he got pissed.
Bout sums it up.
You guys have this but you don't have Kos? C'mon! I've been waiting for you guys to get that up!:)
AbbeyHoffmansGhost @ 5:
Yup. I don't agree with everything Maher says, but this was right fuckin on.
Obama wasn't 'checking out' Hillary's better half, he was doing what any responsible marine pilot is supposed to do: identify any and all ice-mass threats in the fjord, and make the appropriate course corrections to avoid them.
Great job, Bill Maher, but the obvious follow-up question is: how can you be a Libertarian with a philosophy like this?
Liberal Libertarian
"Government is the problem"
"Yeah, they way you run it"
- Maher
Perhaps it is time to "...bring back the guillotine."
I liked the Part when Valerie Plame Wilson said"Yes...This is Treason".I was just so nice to hear some one say it loud and proud.......honesty..finally.
fiver @ 17:
now lets not lose our heads over this........but then again..............................................sorry..I had to do it.
Otay @ 14:
I think the answer is that he WAS a libertarian. Somewhere, at some point, he recovered his humanity.
I guess it is never too late, although... I will not hold my breath for about half of this country....
Why does Obama get criticized for not complying with a media narrative? It wasn't in his interest to join the Hilary pile-up. She was going down (not for good but in the sense that this was her worst debate) and he had nothing to prove by jumping on top. He also tore up Giuliani in a press release Friday. Anyway,
"Much has been said about the exchanges between Senator Clinton and myself this week," Obama said. "Now, understand that Hillary Clinton is a colleague and a friend. She's also a skilled politician, and she’s run what Washington would call a 'textbook' campaign. But the problem is the textbook itself."
with Kucinich about to throw down IMPEACHMENT proceedings on Cheney
Bill and Jon Stewart need to lay off of him
That's blatant rip-off from the "Urban Word of the Day" from The Urban Dictionary I get by e-mail everyday.
Hallowthankmas: The period of time starting in late October and ending on New Year's Eve, so named for the commercial tendency to put up Christmas displays before Halloween. See also Christmahanukwanzakah.
So original, Bill. (And this is before the writer's strike.)
Otay @ 14:
He's not a member of the Libertarian Party. He does not support the Libertarian Party. He has never supported the Libertarian Party.
On his old show, Politically Incorrect, there was an episode with a Libertarian Party candidate on the panel. Maher said to him (I hope you'll excuse me if my memory is not verbatim correct), "I've read the platform. I thought I was a Libertarian, but I guess I'm not. I'd like to be a Libertarian; I'm libertarian-minded, but I don't support this party line."
c_ray_86 @ 15:
Indeed. We in the U.S. have a constrained vocabulary. What we think of as "left wing" would be largely centrist, or even right wing in many western European democracies. We don't really have a "left wing" in this country, not at least, with any political sway.
Moreover, the term "libertarian" does not comprise solely the American Libertarian Party orthodoxy. Around the world there are indeed progressive libertarians, civil libertarians, socialist libertarians, left libertarians, etc.
peter @ 22:
I disagree. They're political humorists and satirists, not warriors in our political cause. Their function in society is an important one. It is different from ours, even if we agree with the prominent satirists of modern times.
moniker @ 6:
And of course, "It begins with the The Airing of Grievances"!
Karen @ 24:
Agreed. Before its high-jacking in the U.S. by the laissez faire economics crowd, the Libertarian framework provided quite a bit for those on the left. Unfortunately, in America, it's now become little more than unbridled capitalism with a right to smoke dope.
John @ 4:
At the debate, he pretty much said that he saw something he couldn't identify flying around. He said it was never identified, and that he didn't know what it was. That's cool. That's not unreasonable.
Unfortunately, Shirley McClaine did him no favors in her hearsay account of the incident. She says not only that he saw something that he couldn't identify, but that it was some sort of triangular craft with which Kucinich claims to have communicated. It would worry me if Kucinich had copped to that claim. But he didn't.
Sadly, the media will likely keep using the incident to paint Kucinich as a kook.
Aren't Russert and Timmeh the same person? Goodness, please don't tell me he's multiplying!! ;)
As for what Russert's and Williams' religious beliefs, I really don't know what they are. But your point is a good one in my book. Believing you a personal relationship with a deity sounds, to me, less reasonable than saying you saw something flying in the sky you couldn't recognize or identify.
fiver @ 27:
Yep. Sad.
This unfortunate semantic metamorphosis is the bane of my internet life as I argue that libertarians and progressives ought to work together against authoritarians. I need a different word. I can't use libertarian, even with a small l. People don't hear what I mean to convey.
I'm still doing my measly best to coin the term "libeqrat" (pronounced LIB-uh-crat), as a portmanteau of liberty, equality and rationality. :)
Perhaps I should just spell it "Libocrat," and start the "Libocratic Party."
Or maybe I'm nuts. ;)
Anyway, we need a new term for the libertarian left here.
Karen @ 25:
you've obviously never heard either of them in a serious interview - they both want to see an end to this administration
and if that means passing up a few jokes about ufo's - they should be willing to do that
fiver @ 27:
This is exactly what I mean by Libertarian, which is why I used a capital L. Unbridled, unregulated capitalism, with government dismantled and handled by the "Blackwaters" of America.
And here is where I got the info that Bill is or was a Libertarian - from his own words:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1198918,00.html
Granted, he admits he's not dogmatic about it.
peter @ 31:
I will ask you politely to refrain from telling me what I've "obviously never heard."
In fact, my phrase "not warriors in our cause" was not my phrase at all, but Jon Stewart's. In one such serious interview, Stewart told Bill Moyers that it is common for fans of his to tell him that they love his work, except for the joke he made about a serious issue near and dear to their hearts. According to many fans, there are some issues so important, Stewart explained, that demand his use of kid gloves or that he back off altogether. He resented the sentiment, arguing that his fans don't necessarily understand that he and his comedian brethren seek to satirize the world, and that "We are not warriors in their cause."
I am well aware of Stewart's and Maher's respective positions on the Bush Adminstration.
great line - re Rudy's survival percentage ... "a number, which, like the cancer, was pulled straight out of Rudy's own ass."
When I first read the name of Maher's new holiday, I saw thank-shallow-ismas. More appropriate, I think, considering how shallow this country has become.
Otay @ 32:
Thanks for the link.
Indeed the author of the article uses Libertarian with a capital L. (And I know you did as well.)
I'm not completely sure what to say. I do remember what I remember from the Politically Incorrect episode. And hey, I've heard Maher contradict himself over the years on other issues as well.
And maybe he doesn't really understand Libertarian Party all that well. At least, he didn't demonstrate his understanding of it in the answer printed. He simply invoked the civil libertarian shibboleth of legally doing whatever you want as long as you don't hurt someone else, and then said that he wasn't "radical" about it.
Whatever. You're right, he cannot be a consistent member of the Libertarian Party (if indeed, that's what he is) and espouse the views he does. He seems to be largely a civil libertarian and a social progressive.
And I can sure get on board with that.
Hard to believe Obama was really checking Hillary's sagging butt.
The term I enjoy is "Christmas Creepage" to describe how Christmas seems to arrive at the department store earlier each year. This year I was in a few stores where Halloween was basically thrown into the isles to make way for Christmas set ups in the last week of October. To be honest if I wasn't celebrating with my 4 year-old daughter I would prefer just to pack up and go somewhere that didn't celebrate the holiday come December. It's become the epicenter of what's wrong with consumer culture.
Otay @ 32:
Thanks for the link. Maher has got a pretty good quote on libertarianism: "I've always thought of it as allowing people to do anything they wanted to do as long as it doesn't hurt somebody else."
That's not a bad summary of traditional libertarianism. The problem with the new breed, laissez faire libertarians is that they refuse to recognize the severe harm caused by market breakdowns like monopolization and externalities (e.g. pollution).
anon @ 37:
I think there must have been one of those pieces of toilet paper stuck to her shoe. You know the kind? Everyone's seen it before... ha ha ha!! (not) (a la Larry Criag, with Matt Lauer. See archives.)
Maher is still an ass.
f the rapture bunnies for voting against their best interests and fall for toddler oriented culture war carrots
Maher is morally bankrupt. Just because he's all snarky and sometimes hits a chord, doesn't mean he's worth paying much attention to. After I learned about his treatment of his last girlfriend, I need to take a shower after just seeing him on television.
mudshark @ 2:
I doubt he really was - I'm sure the look was for something else. BUT - if he was - why not? I just hope Bill gets to see it - the cut was too funny - he'd love it ~~
Bill - as usual - framed the debate exactly the way the Dems should be doing it. Let's hope the idiots are listening.
Thanks Bill, you and the other comedy greats help keep us sane out here.
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How about, "HollowChristGiving"
Karen @ 33:
Moreover, Stewart really doesn't do serious interviews. Granted, when he is given intelligently-crippled guests like the guys from the Weekly Standard, it doesn't take much to eviscerate them. Stewart's writers prepare questions for him that fall short of "serious" interrogation. Perfect example: Lynn Cheney's appearance on TDS. Watch as Jon cowers. Why did he restrain from asking Cheney real questions?
Middle-class uprising ? It used to be called "voting" but the rich now control that . They're bringing in Blackwater to handle the rest .
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I'm reeeallly sick of hearing this Kucinich UFO thing. His articulate, passionate and meaningful ideas about how to get America back on track are virtually ignored and then the American corporate media fails in their duties once again by asking a ridiculous frivolous question to which Kucinich answers TRUTHFULLY.
And then Kucinich is regarded as a clown.
The joke's on you, America.
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Maher just pisses people off because he's so spot on on a lot of issues. That's all.
What happened to the opening sketches anyway?
Oh, and Allison Stewart is lovely!
mudshark @ 2:
I suspect he's deciding if he has the guts to kiss 44's butt so he can get some job in her administration.
“More U.S. millionaires are middle-class”
Fascinating to read
Private wealth specialists Lewis Schiff and Russ Alan Prince found the number of Americans with $1 million to $10 million had risen to 8.4 million households – or 7.6 percent of U.S. households – and was growing at 15 percent a year.
But instead of entering the echelons of the elite, these new millionaires adhere to middle-class values, earning their money rather than inheriting it, working 70 hours a week, and choosing neighborhoods based on the quality of schools.
“These are middle class people who are in the community and don’t insulate themselves but they are different because they have managed to accumulate wealth,” said Schiff, the president of private wealth consultant Advanced Planning Group.
But the Republican-voting middle class are stupid!
Schiff and Prince surveyed about 3,600 people – 600 millionaires and 3,000 middle-class people – to research their book “The Middle Class Millionaire: The Rise of the New Rich and How they are Changing America” due out next February.
They found that 89 percent of middle-class millionaires believed anyone could attain wealth through hard work.
If you're still voting Republican you're voting against your own self-interests.
You need free socialized health care, Bill Maher says so. Wake the F up!
Middle-class millionaires are almost three times as likely as the average middle-class person to choose a career based on its likely earnings, three times as likely to belong to a networking group, and five times more likely to say they are always available for work by phone or email.
Nearly eight out of 10 – or 77 percent – choose their neighborhood based on the quality of the school system.
Why not 'Thankshallowismaskkah' Not anti-semite, are you, Maher?
Not long ago, i still thought Maher was funny and insightful. Not anymore. He has turned much more petty and arrogant. Was the summer tour a bit hard on him?
Also, who made the weak Markos official spokesman of the blogsphere? He's so clearly "moderate" enough for DLC, so they elevate this guy to some sort of "leader" to tell weakminded leftists what to think. No offence to him as a person, but he acts like the stereotype that the right-wing wants of the left (all the while he is elevated by corporations and clearly comes out supporting Hillary).
Markos + Maher had constant eye contact, like they had a special understanding. It started up with both supporting Hillary.
Don't let anyone tell you you should let these people's world view guide you. Maher has become a huge disappointment and I don't enjoy his show anymore.
Roll all the holidays into one? Been there, done that.
http://www.neophi.com/home/danielr/fun/happy_ev.jpg
The last part about Rudy and health care were brilliant and dead on.
In case you missed it, what he said was.....
Vote for Kucinich or you're an idiot.
And I happen to agree.
Kucinich 08 - Americas best hope.
I used to like Maher but I don't think he is funny. When he said that Kucinich should have said that what he saw was an unidentified object and should have not said the other things he said which to him is not clear whether it is a joke or not simply shows that he did not even understand what Dennis said. He clarified that what he saw was unidentified and the rest were merely jokes about moving his HQ to Roswell and that more people believed in UFOs than approving of Bush as President. Maher cannot even understand what Dennis said. For him the only way a joke would be funny is to make fun of what other people do.
I know he, Markos and Arianna are the poor representatives of the progressive left and the people. They are only for the maintenance of the status quo.
As far as "truth" is concerned, my comment is impeccible and requires no "moderation" by honest standards.
I am finding now that the managers of "Crooks and Liars" are more interested in an appearance of truth than the truth itself. I must admit I find your website amusing, but artificial and shallow.
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John @ 4:
Exactly. And batshit Romney thinks he's on the road to becoming a god himself, like the other good mormon men. But he's sane and a guy who sees a light and doesnt assume it's the second coming is crazy.
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nick911 @ 61:
[deleted--listen, joker. Mouth off like that again and you'll find yourself banned in nothing flat. The site owner has requested that we not allow discussion of 9/11 theories on this site, because jerks like you ruin it for everyone. I'm in no mood to get attitude by someone who can't follow a few simple rules.]
That's what I'm fuckin talkin about.
mudshark @ 7:
I used that phrase several times over the weekend. I think it sums up these assholes quite nicely...
nick911 @ 62:
You must be the joker because I asked you about posting F A C T S (I said it real slow so you could take a look at the word) about 9/11 not theories. Sorry if I ruin your Republican bashing party but it serves no purpose other than making things worse, it diverts the public from the real problems of this country, you know the fact that the Democratic and Republican parties are both bought and paid for and they are BOTH destroying this country.
Go ahead and ban me joker but know this.... the joke is on you.
Enough with the Maher {comback} posts, he's a drinker of the cool-aid now and for ever more.
He has as much cred as the administration meaning none!
New Rule: NO MORE BILL MAHER thanks.
Bill Maher...sometimes he makes me laugh out loud...sometimes he pisses me off.
But I for one am glad that he can say what he says even if I don't agree with it...the day might soon come, where people who voice their opinions openly in this country are disappeared.
I usually come here for insight and not a few laughs, but WTF is wrong with some people here today? Maher is a comedian--if he's an equal-opportunity curmudgeon on the order of WC Fields ("I am free of all prejudices: I hate everybody equally"), so much the better. I don't see eye to eye with him on any number of things, but I'm not so thin-skinned that I won't tune in once in awhile because I might hear something I don't agree with. If you don't like posting Maher clips, get your own website. Same deal for self-righteous 9/11 trolls.
John @ 4:
I never thought that dude was white.
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