White House tells Pervez Musharraf to "never restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism."
By John Amato Monday Nov 05, 2007 8:31am
Dana Perino was asked if Musharraf had crossed the line in implementing martial law in Pakistan on Monday. I'm sorry I didn't post this yesterday, but things were so busy.
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Think Progress posted it so I'm quoting them here.
She said that the administration is “deeply disappointed” by the measure, which suspends the country’s constitution, and believes it is never “reasonable” to “restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism”:
Q: Is it ever reasonable to restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism?
MS. PERINO: In our opinion, no.
Too bad the BushCo. doesn't adhere to those same principles. One has to wonder if the General didn't get a little coaching on what to say after he quoted Abraham Lincoln to the Pakistani people:
The general, dressed in civilian clothes, quoted Lincoln, citing the former president’s suspension of some rights during the American Civil War as justification for his own state of emergency.
He accused the country’s Supreme Court of releasing 61 men who he said were under investigation for terrorist activities. “Judicial activism,” he said, had demoralized the security forces, hurt the fight against terrorism and slowed the spread of democracy.
Pakistani analysts said the emergency order was, in effect, a declaration of martial law because there were no constitutional provisions allowing such an order...read on
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Say Wha??????
“never restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism.”
ROTFLOL ... she said WHAT? He told Musharraf WHAT?
Bush thinks he's a leader why?
No..NO...LOLOLOLOLOL!! No no no...make them stop...they're killin' me!! LOLOLOLOL!!! Ohhh...my stomach hurts! LOLOLOL! The material writes itself with these nutcases! LOLOL!!
Oh the irony, the irony... Stop! OUCH! It's like I ate that ice cream too fast and I've got a Brain freeze!
I'm between laughing hysterically and crying for the sad truth behind this statement.
" fighting terrorism", " activists judges", It appears that Musharraf is using the talking points right out of the Republican playbook.
See, they don't give a damn what the American people think. THAT'S the message they're broadcasting to the US people: We are not even a LITTLE afraid of the American People, and here's a thumb in the eye to prove it!
These goons are practically begging to be taken out of office!!!
The hypocrisy - the mendacity . . .
I'm surprised the earth itself did not open up and swallow Ms. Perino whole when she said this . . .
I love how america is going down the toilet
you don't suspend constitutional freedoms. You just ignore them!
Duh!
This almost made me choke on my oatmeal.
By the way, can Dana Perino be held guilty of war crimes for what she's doing?
Why are they giving Bush's favorite Democracy such a tough time?
White House propagandist Tokyo Perino.
Musharraf is just doing the dress rehearsal. Bush will watch and then play the actual part next year.
"Do as I say, not as I do" - g.w. bush, 11/05/07, to Pakistan government in crisis.
Mush to Bush: "I learned it by watching you!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Elr5K2Vuo
Is Feinstein trying to duck e-mail on the Mukasey vote? Her website is totally fubared http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/
you can not be fukin serious
hypocrite much?
I wonder which terrorist attacks dana perino wants musharat not to stop
Do as we say, not as we do...
There has to be a rabbit hole directly under Perino's podium.
Is there a school somewhere that trains sycophants to become Busholini Press Secretary's?
Apparently there's an alternate realm they're living in!
Talk about the POTUS calling the kettle black... ^_^
This witless twit is expressing either the heights or the depths of hypocrisy.
Oh dear, how embarassing it must be for Bush for this to come out and make it painfully apparent that Bush and Musharraf share the same speech writers!
How embarassing indeed!
These people are brain-dead. Bush, Perino, Feinstein all dead from the neck up.
I just hope I live long enough to see Bush hung for his war crimes and Feinstein brought do account for her
attempts to destroy our Constitution.
Lincoln a Republican talking point???? Absolutely! The Republicans at my work were quoting Lincoln about that _before_ 9/11.... Even before Bush II's election.
That's part of the spiel.....
I can't believe they didn't howl with laughter at Perino's statements. Then again, she was addressing the D.C. press corps, who will take anything the Bush administration says with a straight face.
“never restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism.”
The Repugs capacity for self-delusion is incredible!
Perino is obviously the worst liar to date for this corrupt and criminal Bush administration.
Porino, teh stupid. Tell me again how it was to our advantage to prop up this tin-horn dictator?
Pervez, out country was in complete civil war. Your actions are merely to hold on to power and will probably incite a civil war, from which a Taliban like government is likely to emerge. Thanks bud.
Q: Is it ever reasonable to restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism?
MS. PERINO: In our opinion, no.
Musharraf is not stupid and will not take this seriously at all. All he has ever had to do was turn on a television and see that the Bush Administration is doing the same thing in the United States.
Doublespeak has arrived.
OMG, WTF and all the other acronyms. Did any of the bozo White House press corp call Perrino on this statement?
K........jus....WOW!!......ALREADY....K....wow!!
Musharraf has been a good student. "Judicial Activism". Heh heh! And since he's already been warned by the US not to declare martial law he declared "emergency rule". Bring on the enhanced interrogation techniques and the unlawful enemy combatants!!
As usual the blatant hypocrisy of this criminal and amoral regime knows no bounds. I understand Kucinich is going to introduce a resolution to impeach the Warpig maybe today. Not that it will go anywhere. It's most likely just a political move to get voter support. Like votes really mean anything either.
That Musharraf, he's a real perv.
Does that make him my kinda guy or what?
The spin will undoubtedly be that the Bush
Crime SyndicateAdministration has not, in fact, restricted the United States Constitution at any level applicable to the citizenry as a whole.Besides, our Consitution clearly has the super-secret clause that grants plenipotenary war powers little Dubya can shout 'SHAZAM!' and become Captain Flight Suit Boy, striding across the deck of an aircraft carrier. If we all weren't sissy liberal Neville-Chamberlain loving pansy-assed traitors, we'd understand that.
That is an example of both cognitive dissonance and transferrance.
these people should be institutionalized for our protection and theirs.
it is to laugh.
Q: Is it ever reasonable to restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism?
MS. PERINO: In our opinion, no.
At which time - seemingly in response to a spontaneous clap of thunder, they all cascaded toward the East Room, where an inviting bowl of Jonestown bunch seductively awaited.
bob @ 33:
Uhhh, dude, its been living in DC for years, but on an upwardly mobile spiral for at least the last decade.
Dana Perino - Head Liar for the Bush Administration
I wonder what she did to get this job?
Fuck all the reporters in that room that did not incessantly ask how she can say that when Bush, in the name of fighting terrorism, took away habeus corpus, lawyer representation all of the first amendment and several others. You cannot tell me that they did not cringe inside when they heard that, but in unison, they stayed away from a followup. there should have been an audible, collective groan from the media when she uttered those words.
Now I believe, just like the FEMA conference, all those repoters are somehow on the payroll, or under instructions from, the whitehouse.
I love the Orwell's Animal Farm governance by the Bush junta
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
"Cue laugh track-now".
Bush to Musharraf: I get to go first and stop copying off my paper!
I am beginning to believe the press corpse (collective) are equally as deluded as the misadministration of Il Duce Busholini.
RMB @ 34:
The real question is did any of the bozos that WROTE this shit for Perino to read...actually read it themselves?!?!
Oh...I forgot GOP Rule One....Never let the facts get in the way.
HAHAHAHA! If you don't laugh, you'll cry.
Dr. Acula @ 49:
Did you call the Prez a douche?
The reporters are under the illusion that 'good reporting' does not inject 'opinion' into the story, even if that opinion happens to be the actual facts.
Like many members of Congress, reporters have also become fond of their salaries and face-time on national television. Challenging Bush and his pals carries the risk that you will be singled out and excoriated by the right-wing hate machine, and your bosses - answering to the corporate parent that owns your station or paper - will give you the 'play nice or don't play at all' talk, instead of encouraging enterprise journalism (which is not the stalking routine that Bill-O or Michelle Malkin engage in).
Unchallenged, the lies become public perception, and then accepted truth. Instead of pointing out the Emperor's New Clothes, the media discusses his impeccable fashion sense and daring style.
Say what you want about Muslims or Buddists. They take a stand against dictatorships such as the ones found in Pakistan and Myanmar and pay a heavy price for it. In many ways, Christ was like that. He took a stand against Ceasar and paid the ultimate price. The fundamentalist Christians are not so courageous. They look at the new Ceasar George W. Bush, and instead of confronting him when he strips away our Constitutional freedoms they make excuses for him. How pathetic. I'm glad I don't have that problem.
Anyone else wanna beat the lot of 'em with an irony stick?!
Next Tokyo Perino will be saying Musharaff should never win elections by swiftboating and smearing opponents, purging voter rolls, demonizing gay people, bashing immigrants, installing touch screen voting machines with no paper trails, and by trumping democracy by having your politically friendly court decide an election for you.
Karl Rove 101: Accuse others of what you are guilty of.
You just have to wonder how she even says these things with a straight face.
ahhhh....the refreshing sounds of hypocrisy. Doesn't it relieve you to know that this is a pilot to our own police state? Please give me my tab. I don't need any more.
Liberal AND Proud @ 52:
That would be too kind a rip for him, L & P!
the whitehouse is a funny place!
OT: The Senate Intelligence Committee voted 11 to 8 to approve the appt. of
Mukasey at new Atty. General, with both Schumer and Fienstien being the ONLY
Dem's to vote "Aye". Looks as if he is assured of comfirmation in full Senate.
The Republican Party . . .
"Creating Your Reality"
They will say absolutely anything.
Ruthless People @ 56:
It's called "transference". This Administration is in need serious medication and therapy. Or perhaps we should simply waterboard them all. They won't tell the truth...but what the hell...WE'LL have fun.
But you just got to wonder, based on the all the videos coming out of Pakistan, if law enforcement is now spending all its time rounding up dissident demonstrators - just who the hell is out there rounding up the terrorists who were the reason to suspend their Constitution in the first place?!?
joe cantwell @ 60:
I'll bet if you ask Laura she'll tell you which room is the funniest, too.
pissed off patricia @ 15:
Why do I have this sinking feeling you're absolutely right? If the election doesn't seem to be going their way, an Al Quaida in Iraq terrorist will materialize out of nowhere, swim ashore and blow up a lifeguard shack in San Diego and we'll be stuck with these bastards for life.
But then considering how damned spineless the Dems are, we're probably struck with the Bushies for life anyway, eh?
UnFUCKINGbelievable!!!!
What a bunch of goddamn hypocrites!!!!
Quoting Lincoln ... whining about judicial activism ... using terrorism to justify his illegal actions.
I don't think he was coached by the White House. I think Mushy was inoculating himself against criticism from the White House by using Bush's own lame excuses for breaking the law.
Bet she can't spell hypocrite.
I couldn't possible come up with a joke that hasn't already been made about the WH's statement...so I'll just blow a raspberry their way: PPPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTT!!!!!
Indigowatcher @ 12:
Yes. Re:The Rwanda war crimes tribunals.
I just read that their meat puppet AG was just confirmed.
what they said:
“never restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism.”
what they meant:
“never restrict torture in the name of fighting terrorism.”
With all the crap that has been happening in plain view, is it really inconcievable that the chemtrails in the sky might be some virus or flu so that we will all have to get a vacine of some kind just from catching the latest illness.
MargeAggedon @ 72:
Let's all give a collective "THANKS" to Schumer and Feinstein for backstabbing us again.
Hand, meet forehead. Forehead, this is hand.
Oh dear, the iron-i-meter is smashed to flinders. We were trying desperately to upgrade it, but 3 orders of magnitude of hypocrisy in one smash? It never had a chance...
Bush, using the sum powers that a criminally complicit congress and judicial brach have obsequiously granted him, will probably use the exact same excuses if (when) he declares martial law. I agree with nJoementum @ 68 that Musharraf was attempting to innoculate himself from criticism by using Bush's own rationalizations.
If there was any doubt that the lunatics are running the asylum......
Actually, it's a good thing that Musharraf played the Abe Lincoln card. It's going to sound pretty hollow when Bush invokes it after next year's "attack".
Oh, wait! I know, she was 'making a point'!
that takes a large sack, dunnit?
81 Shadowgm Says: Oh, wait! I know, she was ‘making a point’!
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Shouldn't that read she was "making points"
Under her blouse?
I hear they keep the pressroom cold,
So they can have plenty of snow jobs.
I have just one thing to say to Dana Perino:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aZK87LrU9g
ysbaddaden @ 83:
I'm sorry, fantasizing about Dana Perino in that manner is akin to necrophilia. The living dead are still dead ...
ysbaddaden @ 84:
Sacrilege! Ian Dury is way too good for her.
;)
Did I catch that quote correctly? Hah! That's rich!
jackpine savage @ 20:
I wouldn't go that far. The illegal regime in the US pays lip service, and lip service only, when speaking of freedom and democracy. Did you see how many times she was looking away while answering direct questions? That's the international sign for wink-wink nod-nod say no moore guvner.
You can expect a very similar press conference in Pakistan in about 6-8 months. With the Pakistani minister of propaganda denouncing the usurpation of democratic elections in the US. Then back stage a call to Dana on his cell phone. They share a hearty laugh about the gullibility of the public and how easy it is to steal hundreds of billions of dollars. Amazing how these cows march to slaughter...
Welcome to the real axis of evil.
Who wants to bet that the reporter who asked that question is having his house tossed right now?
You know the rules, Skippy McReporter!
85 Shadowgm Says: ysbaddaden @ 83:
81 Shadowgm Says: Oh, wait! I know, she was ‘making a point’!
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Shouldn’t that read she was “making points”
Under her blouse?
I hear they keep the pressroom cold,
So they can have plenty of snow jobs.
I’m sorry, fantasizing about Dana Perino in that manner is akin to necrophilia. The living dead are still dead …
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-MM__7Im6k
Oh, this too:
http://mysite.verizon.net/alankh/akhblog/CorpseBride.jpg
Remember kids, regime change begins at home.
Too funny. This shit just keeps writing itself.
Of course you don't suspend the constitution to fight the terrible terrifying terror. You broadly misinterpret it, or just ignore it.
Everyone knows that.
“never restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism.” -- Don't do what you already did.
Kind of like a useless-DNC-threat. What's the President going to do, invade Pakistan? LOL
She actually said that with a straight face. Remind me never to get in a poker game with Perino.
She actually said that with a straight face. Remind me never to get in a poker game with Perino.
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She ain't lesbian? And she calls herself a Republicant.
Hypocrisy so blatant that it sticks you in the eyes, and yet she could stand there and act straight about it.
Why didn't any of the Media take her to task and remind her of the liberties that have been trampled on in the US. Habeas Corpus anyone? Would you like your Phone tapped with that order?
Sigh. Illiterate America strikes again!
"principles".
Things @ 95:
Never happen. Tooo dangerous. They actually HAVE nukes.
Sha_Rules @ 9:
Don't count us out, yet. We'll right this ship of state yet.
The cognitive dissonance makes my brain hurt. Make pretty lady go away! Her speak make confusing tongue go funny...
101 LibertyLover Says: Sha_Rules @ 9:
I love how america is going down the toilet
Don’t count us out, yet. We’ll right this ship of state yet.
Tidy-Bowl Man to the rescue!
Jumpinin @ 36:
Indeed, it is "Martial Law," and much thanks to Mr. Amato for referring to it as such.
In SoCal, we just had some fires that were declared a state of "emergency."
The people in California wanted the government to act quickly and decisively during the emergency.
Musharraf has declared martial law and it's evident by them rounding up the lawyers and activists, not "islamofascists."
The words were almost too much.... There is no way I could view the video.
The Ice Queen speaketh with forked tongue. We're not restricting constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism. Dude, where's our Constitution?
“never restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism.”
You've gotta be kidding me.
Is anyone besides us in the blogoshpere going to publicly call them on this hypocracy?
I imagine the average American with half a brain must be saying "WTF?" If they don't they are totally clueless.
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It's not called "restricting Constitutional Freedoms" when America does it.
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That was what I was going to say. Why in the S.O.B. hell didn't one of the robots called reporters, ask her what the devil she was talking about.
The silence by the right-wing radiohosts on this issue is deafening.
If the Clinton were to praise Musharraf and pledge continue support for Musharraf after he imposes martial law and suspend constitution, the right-wing pundits would have screamed Bloody Murder, clamor for Clinton's resignation. But instead they, the self-proclaimed patriots and defenders of constitution for the sake of our founding fathers, are amazingly silent.
bob @ 33:
Been there for a long time.
Sha_Rules @ 9:
Gone, it's there.
ysbaddaden @ 103:
Damn right! I ain't givin up on this country just yet...I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees.
Preacher Boob @ 24:
How can Pervez Musharraf return Pakistan to Democracy and Constitutional Law when neither has existed since he took power? Why doesn't George Bush understand that Pervez Musharraf is now and always has been a dictator?
OMG!!!WTF!!! Does she realize how stupid she sounds? Where has she been for the past 7years. If it wernt so sad it would be funny.
I've said it before - irony is lost on the Greedy Ol' Perverts.
Does Jonah Goldberg's hypocricy know no bounds?
Jonah Goldberg: What isn't fake in the TV news business these days? The problem of parsing fact from fiction, news from entertainment, has been inherent to broadcast journalism from the beginning. I don't mind that TV news is trying to be relevant to viewers not on the AARP's mailing list. What I find dismaying is that "relevance" is literally coming at the expense of reality.
My hypocrisy detector just exploded.
Truly, is there any form of hippocracy that they won't trip over? This is so laughable, its like a bad made for TV movie... guh.
From the White House -
In is out, up is down, black is white . . . .
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This misses the point.
Bush has created a binding fiction of constitutionality in signing statements and presidential directives coupled with several key pieces of legislation. The result is the same - albeit with what some will see as a legal basis.
Consider that please - a 'legal' basis for eliminating democracy in the US.
The press need to be destroyed on the basis of not raising that one single question - is there ever a 'legal' basis for the destruction of democracy, if not - then an explanation of the signing statements, presidential directives etc should be demanded. None of this has happened, those failing to do so need to be out of business.
Perrino seems to think there CAN be a legal basis for the destruction of democracy - although I'm sure she would characterize it differently.
The famous 'Do as we say, not as we do' shit. Oh this is rich!
We haven't left ourselves much wiggle room when it comes to foriegn policy or any kinda policy for that matter, have we Mr. President.
Perino is out of her comfort zone. She has some big shoes to fill when it comes to spin and outright bullshit. Snowjob was a real pro thanks to time at Fox. The hypocrisy is expected of course but still sickening.
So I'm thinking America's own 'state of emergency' will come shortly after the Democratic convention, so that the field of talking heads is winnowed down to one (and if it's Heil Hillary, all the better, because she'll ultimately side with the thugs).
Then comes the equivalent of the Reichstag fire. The elections will be suspended, to be held 'once the emergency abates' (kind of like 'return on success'). Congress won't do anything, as they'll fall for the 'support the president in a time of crisis' dodge again. Pelosi and Reid will tell us 'now is now the time' to pursue impeachment.
I'm thinking it will be a nuclear incident, ascribed to either Iran's nuclear program, or to the Taliban sneaking one out the door while Musharraf is busy rounding up judges. That we had a mystery flight of nukes from Minott to Barksdale will be conveniently forgotten.
Perino must be botoxed-to-the-max to keep a straight face while dropping the loads of crap she does.
"Another great moment...in irony"
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Now,
Juxtapose this absurd statement by Perino with C&L's lack of coverage of today's (should be) top story... Kucinich introduces H.Res. 333 as a privileged resolution on the House floor. Kucinich; Standing up for Constitutional Law.
Stenny Hoyer will move to Table(kill) it.
Then add in C&L's praise by Moore.
Informative?
Really?
the sound... of silence.
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Q: Is it ever reasonable to restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism?
MS. PERINO: In our opinion, no.
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Ok Perino then you're going to get the presishit to stop violating our 4th amendment rights right?
Yeah thats what I thought.
I'm struggling over whether to think such laughable hypocrisy comes from pure blindness to their own actions, or outright arrogance and hubris of their own power. Either way, it's just psychotic. If an individual did this, they'd likely be committed to an institution.
Curious if someone can go ahead and give me 5 cases where the Patriot Act (which I assume you're all blabbering on about) was used to "restrict the consitutional freedom" of an American? I mean, it's been 7 years, so surley there has to have been at least a few people who the Facists in office rounded up and locked away mysteriously in the night, right?! right?!
Oh that's right, there hasn't been any. FBI still needs a warrent or probable cause to rip your house apart, and if they don't have it, you get a nice settlement from the courts for your trouble. Lolfacts.
What amazes me most of all is that Dana Perino can actually say that with a straight face (and is it just me or is there some contractual obligation that women in positions of influence become emotionally neutered? I am not saying that she has to be a female version of Ann Coulter, but at least some semblance of human feeling would be appreciated) when the Bush Administration seems to be making a national pastime out taking away our rights.
Scary stuff, more fitting for Halloween.
This flake forgot to add that Pervez could simply ignore the constitution, the way her boy-king does here in America.
Unsean @ 131:
Perino is able to supress her humanity, Unsean, because she is a slave to her career, like many others who compromise their ethics for advancement and money.
Rainsford @ 130:
Why the magic number five?
Oh, thanks a LOT! You made me laugh so hard I crapped my pants...
I want what she's smoking!
Rainsford @ 130:
Nonsense, my friend. What is it about the forest and the trees? In other words, just because a person can't name five instances (though off the top of my head I recall there was a Canadian of–I believe of Syrian descent) who was, courtesy of extraordinary rendition, sent to Egypt or Syria to be tortured; there's the government, along with companies like AT&T, Verizon, etc. who have been spying on Americans; an organization (forgive the vagueness, but as I said these examples are off the top of my head) that raised money for Palestinian causes was declared a terrorist organization, though the only thing missing was evidence; and the topper: waterboarding, a known torture method of torture, is now an 'enhanced interrogation technique' that Americans now do to others.
That old beacon of hope and democracy seems to have dimmed somewhat. Btw, when American soldiers are captured in the field, and have to experience 'enhanced interrogation techniques' firsthand I suspect the name 'torture' will once again come into play.
Those are four examples off the top of my head, and I am sure that others can contribute examples as well.
Your turn.
Sha_Rules @ 9:
I don't.
Rainsford @ 130:
You must have missed the part of USA PATRIOT that created the sneak-and-peak search, wherein they don't need to tell you they went into your house, and don't need to serve you with their actual warrant.
You've also missed the part where both Alberto Gonzales and Michael Hayden didn't know the difference between probable cause and reasonable suspicion. Alberto also found the requirement for FISA warrants 'inconvenient,' and believes there's no 'express grant of habeas corpus' in the Constitution.
It's not just USA PATRIOT, however - our constitutional protections under the Fourth Amendment were violated by the warrantless wiretapping program initiated by the NSA under Mr. Bush's direction.
But, here are some specifics for you.
I can't believe I just typed "...a known torture method of torture."
Redundancy, anyone;)
Unsean @ 137:
You're thinking of Maher Arar, about whom Condoleezza Rice expressed shock and dismay that he was actually tortured. But then, if we weren't intending to exceed standard police procedures and U.S. law, why was he sent to Syria?
Then there's Jose Padilla, who was convicted on conspiracy charges unrelated to the 'dirty bomb' accusations upon which he was arrested and 'interrogated' to such a point that he now exhibits aversive behaviors (like a dog shying away after being struck once too often). Padilla is a U.S. citizen.
I'm not sure what the status of Yasser Hamdi is, though.
138 johnnyr Says: Sha_Rules @ 9:
I love how america is going down the toilet
I don’t.
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You don't care for Eau de'toilette?
I doubt that'll ever replace U damman!
Q: Is it ever reasonable to restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism?
MS. PERINO: In our opinion, no.
HA!! That's all I can say. HA!!
Shadowgm @ 141:
That's my whole point, namely there are plenty of examples of our rights being eroded since the Patriot Act was passed, though people may not see them as such.
134 Frybread Says:
Why the magic number five?
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Actually the number five is considered magical, along with most other odd numbers. There are five elements (the fifth being the quinta essentia here and in the five humours). Greeks saw the number five as a symbol of coitus (two is female three is male), the five injuries of Christ (not counting each individual lash welt or the side wound from Longenius), the pentagram/pentacle/pentagon blah blah blah...
ysbaddaden @ 145:
That's funny. Bizarre, but funny.
it's time bush and cheney went. they have stolen most of our constitutional freedoms and then they have the audacity to demand the leader of another country not deny it's citizens the very freedoms they(bushit and crapney) have stolen.
IMPEACH CHENEY AND BUSH........in that order to remove the filth from the whitehouse.
Was that a FEMA news conference?
Q: Is it ever reasonable to restrict constitutional freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism?
MS. PERINO: In our opinion, no.
Q: Thank you. I won't follow up with how then do you reconcile the fact that the current administration is doing just that.
I heard we a giving Pakistan aid to the tune of 7 or 8 billion a year even after Masheriff had declared himself dictator. So We know why we pay the money so the dictator will do what he is told and wipe out anyone who is wise to the power plays making up phony wars. The way I have it figured out Pakistan and China will end up attacking India and USA will probly not lift one finger to help India.
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