Thompson hates
retirees.

Hype-Jersey @ 3:

Well the short analysis for what happened with the articles of impeachment is this:

The democrats are spinelss cowards. Every single one of them deserves to be sent home. They have not done one thing. They haven't even served as speed bumps for Bush's imperial presidency.

Yeah, Kucinich did not introduce articles of impeachment.

I know things are screwed up but it is not every last Democrat, just the ones with the power.

tr @ 5:

xoites defends Constitution @ 4:

Hype-Jersey @ 3:

Well the short analysis for what happened with the articles of impeachment is this:

The democrats are spinelss cowards. Every single one of them deserves to be sent home. They have not done one thing. They haven't even served as speed bumps for Bush's imperial presidency.

Yeah, Kucinich did not introduce articles of impeachment.

I know things are screwed up but it is not every last Democrat, just the ones with the power.

pelosi is a good dem and she is getting way too much flak for not pursuing 'mission impossible'.

At this point it is Mission Unattempted.

Why should they get impeached? Do I really have to explain that? In the name of patriotism, they became criminals and abused the power the People gave them to ransack the Goverment, ruined and changed American society as we knew it.

Why shouldn't they get inpeached?

Only fourteen months, and they will be history. The worst is gone.
The economic and psychological cost to the nation would be very high and painful. Time and money would be wasted, when in
turn, the new Democratic White House and Congress could start to clean the house and bring economic order in America.
As much as I dream and yearn to see these assholes in jail, is not going to happen because they got the money, many lawyers will be more than happy to welcom the opportunity to get rich. Finally, it will pit Americans against each other. With the number of problems America is going thru, do we need another one of this magnitude? Something is going to happen in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Dafur, our dollar which is worth only 55 Euro cents. The gasoline will be 8 dollars a gallon in the next 15 months.

Yes my friends, we have a full plate in the near future. Although they went thru this mess to impeach Clinton, for few blow jobs, they spent that time and money for nothing. That's exactly the difference lies between us and them. We Democrats are truly decent people.

8 garcia

Excuse me, but the near future is what we are fighting for. The far future depends on it.

Sorry, Manila Ryce, but i just became a Democrat last week so i can vote for Kucinich in the Primaries.

When a party comes along that has its shit together and staunchly upholds the rule of law and wants to strip the Corporations of the right we used to have i will join it. I was a Green Party member but th keystone cops were more organized.

I'm tired of making excuses for these people. I'm tired of doing all of the insider political analysis and listening to lame and ineffectual excuses and what people think is "long term political strategy." We can split these hairs as fine as we like, but the bottom line is that Bush and the republicans haven gotten everything that they wanted and they will never be held accountable for the crimes they perpetrated against the constitution and the American people. Never. Holy Shit. The dems couldn't be bothered to even try to stop a simple cronie AG appointment when CNN is running images of waterboarding every 60 minutes. HolyMotherofGod, they are afraid to go up against a vp with a single-digit approval rating. The speaker of the house publicly announces that she will give this administration a "pass" (impeachment off the table) for EGREGIOUS attacks on our constitution, and we get nothing but a yawn and some convoluted excuses from the people cover them.

There are going to be people who make excuses for these losers until the cows come home. Do you know when it all changed for me? It changed that day in August, when these LOSERS were in such a hurry to get home for the break, and they were so FRIGHTENED by Bush's "terrists" threats, that they gave the patriot act another pass. There go our liberties. Ho hum. Yawn. Ok. Yep. Gone. I guess that was all part of a greater political strategy too? Yeah. Suck it, dems.

If enough Greens registered to vote Democratic in the primaries for Dennis Kucinich, it would send a strong message to the Democratic party that there is a strong constituency they ignore at their own peril. After that, do whatever you want.

With this show of support by only 5 Dems, and with Reid making a deal to bring up Mukasey's confirmation if the Repubs would let the Dems vote to fund the troops (because Reid was worrying his little head off over being accused of not funding the troops), I can only come to one conclusion:

We are being played for suckers by a bunch of frightened little losers. Losers more afraid of the imagined powers of lame ducks than of the real power of their voters.

Yes, not all are this way, but more than enough are.

garcia @ 8:

...That's exactly the difference lies between us and them. We Democrats are truly decent people.

Seems to me that "truly decent people" would do everything in their power to stop more innocent people from being killed. The decision not to impeach was purely political. Tell an Iraqi orphan how decent the Dems are for continuing the war because it's much better to bomb more brown people than to insult the Republicans.

Guys there were a couple of great segments on Countdown tonight. Allison was subbing for Keith. She interviewed the Navy interrogator discussed in an earlier thread who confirmed that waterboarding was torture. But he's just another in a long line of current or former military to confirm what waterboarding is. Plus, she had a segment on Kerick and everyone else that's been connected to Giuliani that's been convicted or implicated in some crime these past few years. That includes Vitter, the South Carolina campaign treasurer that gave out cocaine at a party and a couple of guys from his administration as mayor. It's good stuff.

Also, the NIE on Iran has been held up by Cheney for about a year because there were too many dissenting opinions on the state of their nuclear program. He's telling the intelligence agencies to go back and give him something in the NIE he can use to make the case for war.

That in itself seems like an impeachable offense. Kucinich was right to bring articles this week. The country's seen enough of this war mongerer.

I'm getting the feeling there should be a lot of dems on the chopping block because of how spineless they are.

I think the republicans saw this coming a mile away and knew the dems wouldn't have the balls.

Laughing all the way.

Hype-Jersey @ 19:

I know I'm playing right into the right wing nutjob's big machine, but Russert's UFO question really did it for me and Kucinich. I really HATE Russert. He should be fired. You'd never catch him asking Romney or McCain if they believe that Adam and Eve rode around on dinosaurs. Still, I can't bring myself to support someone who is mixed up with Shirley McLain, UFOs and other weird stuff. Too bad, because Kucinich was my first pick before that moment. My opinion - a president who embraces reality is really what we need right now.

Unidentified means you don't know what it is. I've had some unidentified stuff on the bottom of my shoe before. Doesn't make me nuts.

Maybe you should send Russert a thank you for bringing this to your attention. I'm sure he didn't do this on purpose. snark! I'd say Russert can safely say "Mission Accomplished". You fell for for it.

ldzppln @ 13:

9/11 changed everything.

9/11 changed its diapers, who cares?

Guess what? If the tv cameras had not been there to see the whole thing it would have gone the way of Katrina (which, by the way needs more attention.)

tr @ 5:

xoites defends Constitution @ 4:

Hype-Jersey @ 3:

Well the short analysis for what happened with the articles of impeachment is this:

The democrats are spinelss cowards. Every single one of them deserves to be sent home. They have not done one thing. They haven't even served as speed bumps for Bush's imperial presidency.

Yeah, Kucinich did not introduce articles of impeachment.

I know things are screwed up but it is not every last Democrat, just the ones with the power.

pelosi is a good dem and she is getting way too much flak for not pursuing 'mission impossible'.

Why? She took the job, if she can't swing a pair of balls she should go the F*ck home. She is responsible for defending the constitution.

ldzppln @ 13:

9/11 changed everything.

No it didn't.

Manila Ryce @ 27:

Hype-Jersey @ 19:

I know I'm playing right into the right wing nutjob's big machine, but Russert's UFO question really did it for me and Kucinich. I really HATE Russert. He should be fired. You'd never catch him asking Romney or McCain if they believe that Adam and Eve rode around on dinosaurs. Still, I can't bring myself to support someone who is mixed up with Shirley McLain, UFOs and other weird stuff. Too bad, because Kucinich was my first pick before that moment. My opinion - a president who embraces reality is really what we need right now.

First off, UFOs are not automatically spaceships. Reagan and Carter both saw UFOs. One was a great president and the other was a douche. Secondly, if Kucinich did think he saw a spaceship (entirely possible if you're high with Shirley McLain) who cares? Using the drake equation, Carl Sagan theorized that around 1,000 extraterrestrial civilizations should have the technology to contact earth. Other astronomers have put that figure much lower, but no serious scientist dismisses the possibility of alien life the way politicians do. It's so mathematically improbable that we're alone in the universe, that to suggest so is simply a sign of ignorance on the topic. Don't use this against Kucinich simply because you don't understand it.

I knew I'd get every Kucinich supporter on the planet explaining to me what the literal definition of UFO means. I'm a physicist. A real one. I don't know everything, I can't identify everything, but I do know that when Kucinich gave his answer, I listened to it before I flipped the channel in disgust. Sorry folks. That's the way it goes.

Shirley McClain however, as nice as she is, is a flake.

Snowball @ 36:

Shirley McClain however, as nice as she is, is a flake.

I don't know Shirley, but she seems like she would be nice. Flaky, but nice.

Hype-Jersey @ 34:

Manila Ryce @ 27:

Hype-Jersey @ 19:

I know I'm playing right into the right wing nutjob's big machine, but Russert's UFO question really did it for me and Kucinich. I really HATE Russert. He should be fired. You'd never catch him asking Romney or McCain if they believe that Adam and Eve rode around on dinosaurs. Still, I can't bring myself to support someone who is mixed up with Shirley McLain, UFOs and other weird stuff. Too bad, because Kucinich was my first pick before that moment. My opinion - a president who embraces reality is really what we need right now.

First off, UFOs are not automatically spaceships. Reagan and Carter both saw UFOs. One was a great president and the other was a douche. Secondly, if Kucinich did think he saw a spaceship (entirely possible if you're high with Shirley McLain) who cares? Using the drake equation, Carl Sagan theorized that around 1,000 extraterrestrial civilizations should have the technology to contact earth. Other astronomers have put that figure much lower, but no serious scientist dismisses the possibility of alien life the way politicians do. It's so mathematically improbable that we're alone in the universe, that to suggest so is simply a sign of ignorance on the topic. Don't use this against Kucinich simply because you don't understand it.

I knew I'd get every Kucinich supporter on the planet explaining to me what the literal definition of UFO means. I'm a physicist. A real one. I don't know everything, I can't identify everything, but I do know that when Kucinich gave his answer, I listened to it before I flipped the channel in disgust. Sorry folks. That's the way it goes.

Ok, he lost your vote. That is clear. We will just have to convince one more person to vote for him, that's all.

xoites defends Constitution @ 40:
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Ok, he lost your vote. That is clear. We will just have to convince one more person to vote for him, that's all.

Yeah, that's right. It's ok. That answer just did it for me. It really bothered me.

Oh and sorry, but if every Kucinch supporter on the planet simply said, "Vote For Kucinich" to you one after the other we would all be dead long before that ended.

(If we layed all of his supporters end to end we had better consider condoms.)

Meanwhile Kerik uses 9-11, Guiliani, and Bush for his defense trust
I think this is going to be Judy's undoing. ...the plot is thickening.

for once a reasonable dialogue. this is how progressive TV should look like. based on facts, with drama and interesting.

Hype-Jersey @ 25:

xoites defends Constitution @ 21:

Hype-Jersey @ 19:

I know I'm playing right into the right wing nutjob's big machine, but Russert's UFO question really did it for me and Kucinich. I really HATE Russert. He should be fired. You'd never catch him asking Romney or McCain if they believe that Adam and Eve rode around on dinosaurs. Still, I can't bring myself to support someone who is mixed up with Shirley McLain, UFOs and other weird stuff. Too bad, because Kucinich was my first pick before that moment. My opinion - a president who embraces reality is really what we need right now.

He said he saw a flying object he could not identify. Are you suggesting he was lying?

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm flat out stating that his answer and the fact that he's at all connected to Shirley McLain, was enough for him to lose my support. I'm a scientist. No tolerance for that kind of crap. However you package it, it was weird.

you are a scientist, so you want to deal in factual information, right?

Fact: Russert is a lying piece of shit shill.
Fact: Kucinich said he saw something he could not identify.
Fact: Without any proof hillary is the frontrunner, russert directed 25 of 50 questions about hillary, 23 of those 25 were negative.
Fact: You acccept Russert questioning of The Democratic candidates as viable and unbiased.
Fact: You are as dense as a neutron star.

Manila Ryce @ 45:

Hype-Jersey @ 34:

Manila Ryce @ 27:

Hype-Jersey @ 19:

First off, UFOs are not automatically spaceships. Reagan and Carter both saw UFOs. One was a great president and the other was a douche. Secondly, if Kucinich did think he saw a spaceship (entirely possible if you're high with Shirley McLain) who cares? Using the drake equation, Carl Sagan theorized that around 1,000 extraterrestrial civilizations should have the technology to contact earth. Other astronomers have put that figure much lower, but no serious scientist dismisses the possibility of alien life the way politicians do. It's so mathematically improbable that we're alone in the universe, that to suggest so is simply a sign of ignorance on the topic. Don't use this against Kucinich simply because you don't understand it.

I knew I'd get every Kucinich supporter on the planet explaining to me what the literal definition of UFO means. I'm a physicist. A real one. I don't know everything, I can't identify everything, but I do know that when Kucinich gave his answer, I listened to it before I flipped the channel in disgust. Sorry folks. That's the way it goes.

If you know any astronomers. Real ones. You should talk to them about this subject. Your "disgust" is entirely illogical, and really based on nothing scientific, but I guess that's the way it goes.

I'm actually quite well read on this topic and an astronomer occupies the office 2 doors down from mine. BTW - "Disgust" is neither logical or illogical. It just is.

“When The President Talks To God”

Given a choice between a man who talks to aliens and one who talks to God i will choose the former.

Kucinich is far from talking bullshit.

Hype-Jersey @ 55:

CoInTeLpRo @ 50:

Hype-Jersey @ 25:

xoites defends Constitution @ 21:

I'm not suggesting anything. I'm flat out stating that his answer and the fact that he's at all connected to Shirley McLain, was enough for him to lose my support. I'm a scientist. No tolerance for that kind of crap. However you package it, it was weird.

you are a scientist, so you want to deal in factual information, right?

Fact: Russert is a lying piece of shit shill.
Fact: Kucinich said he saw something he could not identify.
Fact: Without any proof hillary is the frontrunner, russert directed 25 of 50 questions about hillary, 23 of those 25 were negative.
Fact: You acccept Russert questioning of The Democratic candidates as viable and unbiased.
Fact: You are as dense as a neutron star.

Fact: I'm still not going to vote for Kucinich :-)

But thanks for playing!

We are not playing, perhaps you are.

Hype-Jersey @ 57:

xoites defends Constitution @ 54:

“When The President Talks To God”

Given a choice between a man who talks to aliens and one who talks to God i will choose the former.

Kucinich is far from talking bullshit.

For me, it depends on the nature of the aliens.

I am done with this because i don't care if he smokes catnip. He never said he saw let alone talked to aliens.

He believes in the same things i do unlike all the other candidates running for office. That is all i have to know.

Hype-Jersey,

Okay so you're not voting for Kucinich...

If that's all it takes for you not to vote for the guy (Kucinich) is just one awkwardly answered question regarding one single incident in this guy's life that could not be explained away even though he has spent the rest of his entire life doing great things and literally climbing out from nothing to do great things I understand...

Malcolm X wouldn't have any of this shit. Neither would the King. Believe that?

Hype-Jersey @ 61:

xoites defends Constitution @ 58:

Hype-Jersey @ 57:

xoites defends Constitution @ 54:

For me, it depends on the nature of the aliens.

I am done with this because i don't care if he smokes catnip. He never said he saw let alone talked to aliens.

He believes in the same things i do unlike all the other candidates running for office. That is all i have to know.

If his UFO/Shirley McClain response doesn't bother you, and his views resonate with your beliefs, then by all means, you should vote for him. However, I will not vote for him. This is a republic. You don't have to vote the way I do.

You are correct. I would never vote for Gulliani.

If Hype-Jersey refuses to vote for anyone that ever answered a question wrong, I guess that means he/she is not voting at all. They have ALL flubbed something.

ticktock @ 60:

Hype-Jersey,

Okay so you're not voting for Kucinich...

If that's all it takes for you not to vote for the guy (Kucinich) is just one awkwardly answered question regarding one single incident in this guy's life that could not be explained away even though he has spent the rest of his entire life doing great things and literally climbing out from nothing to do great things I understand...

Thank you for allowing me my right to vote. ;-)

Hype-Jersey @ 68:

ticktock @ 60:

Hype-Jersey,

Okay so you're not voting for Kucinich...

If that's all it takes for you not to vote for the guy (Kucinich) is just one awkwardly answered question regarding one single incident in this guy's life that could not be explained away even though he has spent the rest of his entire life doing great things and literally climbing out from nothing to do great things I understand...

Thank you for allowing me my right to vote. ;-)

You have already been nailed. Never attempt an acting career. Despite your beliefs that the left would take away your rights (as pointed out in the post i am quoting) the right already has.

Okay, so this is off-subject but----

Can you guys keep a secret?....

I just had an epithany from reading CoinTeLRo #63...

I believe my mother-in-law is a concern troll too....

Before now I just couldn't define her modus operandi until now....

Thanks for helping me figure out that woman....

ticktock @ 72:

Okay, so this is off-subject but----

Can you guys keep a secret?....

I just had an epithany from reading CoinTeLRo #63...

I believe my mother-in-law is a concern troll too....

Before now I just couldn't define her modus operandi until now....

Thanks for helping me figure out that woman....

We are here to help. :)

Hype-Jersey @ 71:

Janet @ 66:

If Hype-Jersey refuses to vote for anyone that ever answered a question wrong, I guess that means he/she is not voting at all. They have ALL flubbed something.

No, I'm just not going to vote for someone with close connections to Shirley McClain and who states that he has seen a UFO. Wow. I'm such a wingnut!

Well, you do conduct research for big oil.

CoInTeLpRo @ 63:

Hype-Jersey @ 55:

CoInTeLpRo @ 50:

Hype-Jersey @ 25:

you are a scientist, so you want to deal in factual information, right?

Fact: Russert is a lying piece of shit shill.
Fact: Kucinich said he saw something he could not identify.
Fact: Without any proof hillary is the frontrunner, russert directed 25 of 50 questions about hillary, 23 of those 25 were negative.
Fact: You acccept Russert questioning of The Democratic candidates as viable and unbiased.
Fact: You are as dense as a neutron star.

Fact: I'm still not going to vote for Kucinich :-)

But thanks for playing!

Now I get it! You are a concern troll. All the spouting of that positive bullshit and then throwing the defeatist blanket on progressive ideals and objectives.

who sent you? LGF? Hillary? Rahm? Chuck? Chainey? Pelosi? the shrub? Howie Kurtz?

you're no scientist! you're not even rational.

just a concern troll. bye bye now! you no longer exist! poof!

LOL. I've been on this site for years. Check the archived comments.

[Deleted. Flame-Sitemonitor]

ticktock @ 79:

xoites defends Constitution @ 74:

ticktock @ 72:

Okay, so this is off-subject but----

Can you guys keep a secret?....

I just had an epithany from reading CoinTeLRo #63...

I believe my mother-in-law is a concern troll too....

Before now I just couldn't define her modus operandi until now....

Thanks for helping me figure out that woman....

We are here to help. :)

I am grateful for any assistance on any level regarding regarding my mother-in-law----

Actually I do care for her but she does drive me nuts,

LOL----

As for me, for a while there I was fooled into being 'concerned' with the hype. I got over it! :lol:

Janet @ 81:

CoInTeLpRo @ 75:

Janet @ 66:

If Hype-Jersey refuses to vote for anyone that ever answered a question wrong, I guess that means he/she is not voting at all. They have ALL flubbed something.

he's a concern troll, that's all.

Last night was "The Doctor". Tonight its "the Scientist". Whos turn is it tomorrow? Will there be a new script? This ones getting old.

I should have spotted that suppository with his first post, but I took it as genuine frustration. he gave it away when he gave his 'credentials' as a 'scientificist'. :lol:

Manila Ryce @ 73:

Hype-Jersey @ 61:

xoites defends Constitution @ 58:

Hype-Jersey @ 57:

I am done with this because i don't care if he smokes catnip. He never said he saw let alone talked to aliens.

He believes in the same things i do unlike all the other candidates running for office. That is all i have to know.

If his UFO/Shirley McClain response doesn't bother you, and his views resonate with your beliefs, then by all means, you should vote for him. However, I will not vote for him. This is a republic. You don't have to vote the way I do.

No one's saying you have to vote for him. We're simply trying to understand if there's any logical explanation why you're not going to. You've failed to provide any so far. If you were to ask me why I'm not voting for someone, I could give you a variety of actual reasons which don't involve me sticking my tongue out and saying "cuz I don't wanna and you can't make me". You have the right to believe whatever you want to, but if you don't really know why then it's still not a legitimate position.

First, I don't owe you anything.

Second, I'm not voting for someone with close connections with Shirley McClain and who claims to have seen a UFO. UFOs, Shirley McClain - right up there with Astrology, Seances etc. etc. And no matter WHAT Kucinish says that he saw, "UFO" is going to be dragged mercilessly through the media, along with every nutcase weirdness that Shirley McClain was into. Kucinich is not a viable candidate. I'm sorry for you folks who are still hanging your hat at the man's door, but he isn't. And he isn't for the exact reasons that are eptomized by the Shirley McClain/UFO question. He is associated with weird, leftie crap and his answer to that question only links him to that stuff more strongly.

Let me get this straight: I'm not going to waste my vote on a candidate with no practical viability - the SAME candidate who associated with Shirley McClain and who claims to have seen a UFO... and I'm the illogical one?

LOL. You guys sure are funny!

[Deleted. Flame-Sitemonitor]

"UFOs, Shirley McClain - right up there with Astrology, Seances etc. etc."

Yeah, i can see it now. Let me see, you are a Scientist. That means you are Intelligent! That is right up there with Inteligent Design! Yes it all fits! You are a Creationist!

Hype-Jersey @ 87:
*snip*

Take a physic. That's a close as you'll get to sciense.

I can see I have them on the run....

Thanks for playing, folks!

Hype-Jersey, if your not a republican, you could probably play one on tv. You are displaying the same behaviour by voting against your own interest. Kucinich believes in the Constitution, He is the only one with balls enough to bring impeachment to the table. He is 100% right to want to restore our retutation in the worlds eyes. Your "no viability" statement is exactly what the media has been telling us and we know how reliable they are.
BTW your " He is associated with weird, leftie crap and his answer to that question only links him to that stuff more strongly" says it all. Leftie crap?

xoites defends Constitution @ 93:

One thing is for sure: Dennis Kucinich scares the absolute shit out of the right.

I am going to vote for him twice! :)

Vote early, vote often!

CoInTeLpRo @ 98:

xoites defends Constitution @ 93:

One thing is for sure: Dennis Kucinich scares the absolute shit out of the right.

I am going to vote for him twice! :)

Vote early, vote often!

Once in the Primary and once in the General. :)

Manila Ryce @ 101:

Is the "scientist" gone yet so we can have an intelligent conversation?

We can do that whether he is here or not.

But

I loves me trolls. :)

LOL!

Don't Believe the Hype!

Turning tricks, not trucks. Jeebus. I saw it just as I hit "submit." :(

xoites defends Constitution @ 100:

CoInTeLpRo @ 98:

xoites defends Constitution @ 93:

One thing is for sure: Dennis Kucinich scares the absolute shit out of the right.

I am going to vote for him twice! :)

Vote early, vote often!

Once in the Primary and once in the General. :)

Agreed! Same here! Kooch has 70% backing on impeachment and at least 57% on most of his other positions on key issues. MSM just don't want the word out.

(he get 8/10 on my scale, gravel 7/10 and surprisingly Paul gets 6/10)

Straight Shooter @ 107:

Beau Jangles @11: "5 Dems voted with Dennis. The rest need to be out on notice. Especially Feinstein. I’m sick and tired of Feinstein’s lazy ass!"

How can you say something like that? Feinstein's ass is busy as the proverbial beaver, turning trucks for bushco 24/7.

On to the Kucinich debate, the problem isn't that Kucinich saw a UFO. Seriously, BFD about that. It's the way Shirley elaborated on the incident: "Kucinich, she writes on page143-144 of the book, "had a close sighting over my home in Graham, Washington, when I lived there. Dennis found his encounter extremely moving. The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him. It hovered, soundless, for ten minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind." http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/10/kucinich_see_ufo_new_book_clai...

Shirley has excellent timing in dancing and acting. But in politics, either she's naive or she's trying to "save" Dennis from being president, or she's just ignorant of how people react to such anecdotes. She should have saved this story for another time.

Yes, thank you for this explanation. I agree 100% I'm sure Shirley thought she was helping a friend.

Apparently this is not the first time Hype Jersey got called out.

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/crooks/100117935

Hype-Jersey 12.42PM.

It is quite clear that you can not handle the truth. Take your Christo Fascist: " Give me a break" and "How dare you" feigned outrage back to your Faux hole. Your O'Reilly speak is showing.

History shows that she voted to deprive the voters of Florida their right to have their votes counted, and ordered the counting stopped. You Christo Fascist Neo-Con Artists are all about "States Rights" when it comes to depriving women of their rights, or when you wanted to maintain segregation. Suddenly, because you did not want the State of Florida to determine the final vote tally, you took away their States Rights, and installed Shrub. You know, the one who says he is "The Decider", when he is actually The Great Destabilizer".

Sandra Day O' Connor was reported as having exclaimed at a party, when it was first reported that Gore had carried Florida, " O no, that is terrible". She made sure to erase her terror. Her vote seated Edwards and Alito, two obvious Christo Fascists, on the Supreme Court. No breaks for you, and yes I dare, yes I do!.

...
Seamus | 06.02.07 - 2:33 pm |

Game/Set/Match

Thanks for playing! :)

CoInTeLpRo @ 113:

Hype-Jersey @ 105:
*snip*
I thought you left!

So you really are lurking - troll!

No, I'm not lurking. Lurking means that I'm reading, not posting or otherwise participating. I've actually read some really great comments on here from people who want to discuss instead of insult and I've posted a lot tonight. I upset you because you know I'm real. I'm liberal. I'm a site regular. I'm up on the issues. And I think Kucinich has a problem with electability.

Janet @ 114:

Apparently this is not the first time Hype Jersey got called out.

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/crooks/100117935

Hype-Jersey 12.42PM.

It is quite clear that you can not handle the truth. Take your Christo Fascist: " Give me a break" and "How dare you" feigned outrage back to your Faux hole. Your O'Reilly speak is showing.

History shows that she voted to deprive the voters of Florida their right to have their votes counted, and ordered the counting stopped. You Christo Fascist Neo-Con Artists are all about "States Rights" when it comes to depriving women of their rights, or when you wanted to maintain segregation. Suddenly, because you did not want the State of Florida to determine the final vote tally, you took away their States Rights, and installed Shrub. You know, the one who says he is "The Decider", when he is actually The Great Destabilizer".

Sandra Day O' Connor was reported as having exclaimed at a party, when it was first reported that Gore had carried Florida, " O no, that is terrible". She made sure to erase her terror. Her vote seated Edwards and Alito, two obvious Christo Fascists, on the Supreme Court. No breaks for you, and yes I dare, yes I do!.

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CoInTeLpRo @ 117:

xoites defends Constitution @ 111:

Straight Shooter @ 107:

Beau Jangles @11: "5 Dems voted with Dennis. The rest need to be out on notice. Especially Feinstein. I’m sick and tired of Feinstein’s lazy ass!"

How can you say something like that? Feinstein's ass is busy as the proverbial beaver, turning trucks for bushco 24/7.

On to the Kucinich debate, the problem isn't that Kucinich saw a UFO. Seriously, BFD about that. It's the way Shirley elaborated on the incident: "Kucinich, she writes on page143-144 of the book, "had a close sighting over my home in Graham, Washington, when I lived there. Dennis found his encounter extremely moving. The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him. It hovered, soundless, for ten minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn't comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind." http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/10/kucinich_see_ufo_new_book_clai...

Shirley has excellent timing in dancing and acting. But in politics, either she's naive or she's trying to "save" Dennis from being president, or she's just ignorant of how people react to such anecdotes. She should have saved this story for another time.

She also claimed to be "channeling" a human being who died before Moses parted the Red Sea. Her credibility, not Kucinich's is what you should look at.

Let's remember that Russert made the issue, not Shirley. Russert attacked most of the field with his hillary questions his morality plays and other simply misleading tactics and questions. I can't lay this at her feet. Russert and his people dug this up and made it more significant than it deserved, just like our 'scientificist' troll and he fixation.

From a practical standpoint, it doesn't matter who made it an issue. Russert is a douche. That's a given. But the reality is that Kucinich has been associated with weird things - Shirley McClain, UFOs.. ..

Wow, trying to enlist Steny Hoyer into an impeachment effort is like trying to get Feinstain to give up her warmongering proceeds. What's your carrot? That you're going to cram his fax machine?

Hoyer is a major DLC player. The DLC is not planning on anything like an impeachment. If one were to come, it would come from the Progressive wing, not the DLC wing, which is the entrenched part of the party that people mistake for the Progressive wing when they say "Congress" or "The Democrats."

What you need to do is hammer the FAX machines of Republican moderates. The only bill that is going forward under the Speaker (and that includes Chairman Conyers) will be a Republican bill or one that has substantial (any) Republican support.

That said, a Cheney impeachment might be a worthy thing to do, but it will not happen this year, no matter how many FAX's you cram. The scheduled Supplemental budget bill is going to take up most of the next month, and there are two breaks coming up. The Congress is not going to do more this year.

It would be as good to try to levitate Steny Hoyer via prayer.

Twenty votes committed to such a process is not enough. Working on Republicans or the DINOis the best approach to trying to move any kind of impeachment forward.

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inwit @ 121:

Hype-Jersey @ 34:

Manila Ryce @ 27:

Hype-Jersey @ 19:

First off, UFOs are not automatically spaceships. Reagan and Carter both saw UFOs. One was a great president and the other was a douche. Secondly, if Kucinich did think he saw a spaceship (entirely possible if you're high with Shirley McLain) who cares? Using the drake equation, Carl Sagan theorized that around 1,000 extraterrestrial civilizations should have the technology to contact earth. Other astronomers have put that figure much lower, but no serious scientist dismisses the possibility of alien life the way politicians do. It's so mathematically improbable that we're alone in the universe, that to suggest so is simply a sign of ignorance on the topic. Don't use this against Kucinich simply because you don't understand it.

I knew I'd get every Kucinich supporter on the planet explaining to me what the literal definition of UFO means. I'm a physicist. A real one. I don't know everything, I can't identify everything, but I do know that when Kucinich gave his answer, I listened to it before I flipped the channel in disgust. Sorry folks. That's the way it goes.

Why bring up the fact that you are a physicist? How is that pertinent? Can't you make an argument without a fallacious appeal to authority?

Awwww. I'm sure if you read the thread, you can figure out how it's pertinent. :-)

CoInTeLpRo @ 123:

Hype-Jersey @ 118:
*SNIP*
Didn't you say you were leaving?

No, you are mistaken.

[The military supplemental budget bill ($50 Billion for Iraq, with specific withdrawal starting in six weeks, IINM).]

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cristalyn @ 131:

Hype-Jersey @ 71:

Janet @ 66:

If Hype-Jersey refuses to vote for anyone that ever answered a question wrong, I guess that means he/she is not voting at all. They have ALL flubbed something.

No, I'm just not going to vote for someone with close connections to Shirley McClain and who states that he has seen a UFO. Wow. I'm such a wingnut!

Why do you have to spend so much time talking about who you are not going to vote for? A N N O Y I N G ! We hear ya dude. Nice to know. Really.

Mainly because people like you keep responding, asking me questions. LOL. People sure can be touchie when you tell them you're not going to vote for their favorite candidate!

Hype-Jersey @ 105:

Janet @ 96:

Hype-Jersey, if your not a republican, you could probably play one on tv. You are displaying the same behaviour by voting against your own interest. Kucinich believes in the Constitution, He is the only one with balls enough to bring impeachment to the table. He is 100% right to want to restore our retutation in the worlds eyes. Your "no viability" statement is exactly what the media has been telling us and we know how reliable they are.
BTW your " He is associated with weird, leftie crap and his answer to that question only links him to that stuff more strongly" says it all. Leftie crap?

No, I'm not a republican. I agree with Kucinich on most issues. I'm actually a leftwing nutjob (and proud of it). I cheered Kucinich when he brought articles of impeachment to the floor. However, I do not think Kucinich is a viable candidate for reasons related to his answer to the UFO question. You may think that it's the media meme, but I believe that it is reality. You have to consider the entire country - not just those of us in the leftie bubble.

It's painful to hear this from another leftie, which is why I'm being attacked so fiercely. I expected it. :-)

You know, I admit that Kucinich's having seen a "UFO" doesn't sit well with me either. Certainly, merely seeing something one could not identify is reasonable. It's the attitude towards that unidentified object, the conclusions to which one can leap, that would not settle well with me.

Shirley McLaine (who strikes me as just as irrational as the conventionally religious people against whom I rail here) did him no favors in her hearsay account. Indeed, that Kucinich didn't flat out say, "Uh, Shirley MClaine's account is an exaggerated bit of imagination. I just saw something and didn't know what it was," is troublesome. That's what I wanted to hear, and I imagine that that's along the lines of what Hype-Jersey wanted to hear. I can't blame Hype-Jersey for demanding basic rationality.

Then again, at least in the debates, Russert didn't really give Kucinich a chance to explain himself fully. He seemed like he wanted to flush out the issue in detail. And as for whether it really makes a difference on his eligibility for the presidency? Let's just say, I'd like to hear a complete explanation from him. (I was checking his website the other day, and couldn't really find anything from him in detail on it.)

As for his viability as a candidate, heh, I'm not so sure it doesn't help his candidacy. Certainly, the media will make him out to be a complete kook, but they're gonna do that anyway. I'm not so sure Hype is right about our left wing bubble in this case. There area plenty more Americans who'd believe in alien space craft than we might like to admit.

And no matter whom we nominate, the Republicans and media are going to crucify him/her. Any search for the perfect candidate on paper is a wild goose chase. Hell, we could nominate Ronald Reagan, and the Republicans would Swift Boat him. It's the only thing they actually know how to do.

In closing: I would relax a bit on the troll accusations; McLaine's account of Kucinich's UFO experience raises genuine concerns; if all Kucinich saw was something he could not identify and there's no more to it, it's a non-issue; vote for the Democrat you like best in the primaries, beltway-conventional-wisdom be damned; and Republicans suck.

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Manila Ryce @ 7 "Too bad we don't need a good Dem. We need a good American. Congress is obligated to pursue impeachment when there is evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors, not when it's politically convenient."

On the contrary, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.

The Congress is a political body. To expect justice from a political body begs the question of why you aren't seeking justice from the legal system. And until you recall that the legal system is at TILT at this point, then you won't grasp the simple fact that you cannot get justice from the Congress instead. BOTH have to be functioning.

This is the real reason why Mukasey is such a tragedy. Because he will block all efforts to use the justice system to bring these crimes to an end (special prosecutors).

Whatever else happens, the people are going to rule on Bushco's guilt next year. Republicans have an incentive to break their chains, but doing so is going to take a fair amount of PUBLIC courage pressing them to do it.

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Assuming for a moment that he was talking about alien aircraft. What makes you people so sure that such a thing does not exist? Scientifically it does not make sense to assume that intelligent alien life does not exist. Mathematically speaking, if our universe is truly infinite (like they say) then it is impossible for them not to exist.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101shape.html

Karen, I have to say that for me the "UFO" thing doesn't bother me one iota. I guess I am just open to all possibilities. It's a big world and I am not so egotistical that I think we are the only living thing in this vast universe. ANYTHING is possible. I am a little surprised that you thought there would be UFO information on his website though. Why is all the good he wants to do wiped out by one tiny unexplained event?

cristalyn @ 144:

Assuming for a moment that he was talking about alien aircraft. What makes you people so sure that such a thing does not exist? Scientifically it does not make sense to assume that intelligent alien life does not exist. Mathematically speaking, if our universe is truly infinite (like they say) then it is impossible for them not to exist.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101shape.html

Let me put forth my theory on why life can not exist on any other planet.

There are a finite amount of assholes in the universe. Every species has assholes. This planet has them all therefore life does not exist elsewhere.

cristalyn @ 144:

Assuming for a moment that he was talking about alien aircraft. What makes you people so sure that such a thing does not exist? Scientifically it does not make sense to assume that intelligent alien life does not exist. Mathematically speaking, if our universe is truly infinite (like they say) then it is impossible for them not to exist.

Right. One cannot prove that alien spacecraft do not exist. One cannot prove a negative (save for in cases of artificial systems). I absolutely do believe that there is intelligent life out there somewhere. I just don't think the odds are very good that they are visiting the earth and showing up over Shirley McClain's house.

More importantly, I don't think Shirley McClain's recount of the UFO story did Kucinich any political favors.