Before Bush pats himself on the back...
By Steve Benen Tuesday Nov 20, 2007 7:15amYesterday’s announced breakthrough on stem-cell research is obviously good news for medicine, public health, and scientific advancements. The Bush White House, which has stood in the laboratory door for seven years, suddenly feels justified.
[N]ow that scientists in Japan and Wisconsin have apparently achieved what Mr. Bush envisioned, the White House is saying, “I told you so.”
Indeed, presidential aides were so proud of themselves yesterday, they insisted that Bush drove the breakthrough experiments by claiming some ambiguous moral standard. “This is very much in accord with the president’s vision from the get-go,” said Karl Zinsmeister, a Bush domestic policy adviser. “I don’t think there’s any doubt that the president’s drawing of lines on cloning and embryo use was a positive factor in making this come to fruition.”
Look, we should all be really pleased by yesterday’s news, and the scientific advancements offer hope for life-saving medical research. But for the White House to suggest that Bush deserves some kind of credit for the progress is nonsense. In fact, the opposite is true.
One of the researchers involved in yesterday’s reports said the Bush restrictions may have slowed discovery of the new method, since scientists first had to study embryonic cells to find out how to accomplish the same thing without embryos.
“My feeling is that the political controversy set the field back four or five years,” said James Thomson, who led a team at the University of Wisconsin and who discovered human embryonic stem cells in 1998.
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Frist! and he is a scumbag
I nominate him for the Nobel Impeach award.
Taking credit for something they didn't do or help? They would NEVER do that =P
More proof of the Lysenkoization of science in America...but this is nothing new. It's been done with anything that challenged political orthodoxy regarding (presently, they weren't always) illegal drugs such as cannabis (aka 'marijuana')
Did you know that the US government had found that the primary psychoactive substance in cannabis...kills brain cancer cells without harming the surrounding tissues? Did you know that this was discovered...in 1974? Most of you haven't ever head of this before. Yet new discoveries are being made regarding the anti-cancer properties of cannabis...but these discoveries are taking place in foreign countries because the US government, thanks to its' anti-drug policies, won't allow such research here, because it threatens that same anti-drug orthodoxy. Doesn't this sound familiar?
The culture warriors are standing in the way of treatments that could benefit all of us thanks to their monomania and bigotry. All the while claiming it's for our benefit.
George Bush had already solved all of the scientific problems in his own private, super-secret laboratory. He was just waiting for the other scientists to figure it out for themselves.
He's that smart.
Not to mention that the use of virus to inject the DNA strand is akin to using a shotgun.
This has caused documented cases of cancers as a direct result in the test animals.
This needs to be kept in perspective, they got a few cells "resembling" stem cells and a whole lot of bad/rogue cells that turned cancerous.
And they still don't know what exactly it is that they did.
All fact that will be ignored by the religious ignorant.
I love how repubs are concerned about Mitt, being a mormon, he might take his orders from Utah, or Giuliani, being a catholic, might take his orders from Rome, yet seem blind to the fact that for the last 20 years the republican party have been taking a lot of their marching orders from religious figures anyway!
I can't WAIT for white christians to become a serious minority so they can feel what it's like to have another dominant race and religion call the shots. (I'm hoping its Jamaicans)
nemo @ 4:
If this doesn't work as expected, it will be Clinton's fault. If it does work as expected bush will claim the victory. That's business as usual.
This needs to be kept in perspective, they got a few cells “resembling” stem cells and a whole lot of bad/rogue cells that turned cancerous.
And they still don’t know what exactly it is that they did.
Exactly. And Chris Mooney (I keep bringing him up) is almost an expert on this topic. In his book, The Republican War On Science, he discusses the possibility of making non-embryo cells act like stem cells, but the consensus of scientists is that nothing beats real embryonic stem cells. They are real stem cells that can grow into just about anything we want. That's why the discussion of how many "lines" were in-use by scientists was so important (there aren't enough), and why Bush's exaggeration of how many lines there are is important.
This does not close the book on anything. Embryonic stem cells are still what scientists need to conduct empirical research.
But the fact that Bush's fight against federally-funded research delayed this possible advancement is well noted.
C'mon, folks, c'mon, quit piling on. Let's give credit where credit is due.
This is the first time Bush made one of his asinine, amoral, abominably ignorant 'decisions' and had nature's Law of Unintended Consequences work in his favor, where it turned out to not be an unmitigated disaster.
(Except for the few hundred folks who died in the past few years, and another few thousand who will die in the next few years, because The Dummy took the advice of his delusional 'god', and stood in the way of sound medical and scientific progress)
Compared to the massive pile of hundreds of thousands of corpses Bush has amassed to his credit, this can be considered a minor fu*k-up, so on that basis, give him credit. Use this as a mitigating factor during his IMPEACHMENT trial.
Saved a few stem cells, killed thousands of Iraqis and US personnel. Fair trade?
hey if they don't have to use ESC..that's great.As long as progress is being made I don't care.It's when progress is being stifled...I get pissed.
This is how he got by at Yale, was to take credit for others work. So what should we expect now?
This is exactly what I said the other day: the overly and overtly religious don't want to pay the cost that science requires. They want the benefits for free.
I'd bet my eyes that if a cure for HIV/AIDS were found, the christofascists would say it was a "god from god", ignoring the fact that they were the ones who called AIDS "god's punishment for sodomites".
Dhalgren @ 10:
thank you...are you positive on this.
This spin will play well on Fox, I think. The story has an unmistakable Rovian quality to it, doesn't it?
the white house won't tell you about the increase risk of the cells becoming cancerous that are created this way.....
1) No research is done in a vacuum. This current research was likely in the funding proposal stage before Bush made his infamous "compromise' and certainly has a pre-Bush lineage.
2) This alone does not negate the need for embrionic stem cell research.
3) You just can't trust the reporting/spinning of science in the main stream press. It' will take a while to figure out the viability and significance of the newly reported findings. Note the tentativeness....
Two teams of scientists reported yesterday that they had turned human skin cells into what appear to be embryonic stem cells...
Just wait until the new government in Iraq develops nukes, that'll show us how right Bush was about Iraq as well.
Sha_Rules @ 2:
Seconded.
so what shrubs done has created another shit storm under false pretenses.....he(they) lied again.
once again we in the white house and the current administration seek to put forth and encourage OUR policy of ALL THE SIZZLE WITHOUT THE STEAK said Karl Zinsmeister, a Bush domestic policy adviser.
ok he did not actually say that but he should have considering bush's record of making a statement and gaining msm praise for nothing more than that. here we have someone in the administration basically telling us that his boss deserves credit for doing next to nothing.
Sort of like my dad touting the benefits of dishwashing machines because he didn't want to help mom scrub the pots.
I'll wait and read the actual report in a respectable scientific journal, not from CNN or Fox.
As for Bush... pat himself in the back? Why doesn't he shoots himself in the face? Oh I'm sorry that would be advocating violence, but if he's drunk enough...
Bush is a hero for setting the field back by 4 or 5 years?
Mmmmm, and as usual - something Bush thinks is good gets overshadowed by something BAD - yup, that pesky Scott McClellan thing.
Good luck spinning this one, Dana!!!
"Dana, have you been asked to flat out lie or merely mislead? Or have you been lied to or merely misled?"
Joementum @ 24:
No, more like your dad touting the benefits of having your mom scrub the pots all by herself because he didn't want to buy a dishwasher in the first place.
Let's put this in the proper historical context and perspective to fully understand the weight of the matter...
This is like giving the inventor of the straight jacket credit for all of Houdini's escapes.
Got it?
7 years behind the 8 ball to appease some Scofield Bible cultists
Today's democratic party is pathetic... you make me sick the whole lot of you.
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mudshark @ 16:
It's what one of the researchers said himself this morning on the tele.
So I am as positive as he is.
BERT CONVY @ 32:
Thanks for your concern, leave a donation at the exit please.
In the end, science always provides solutions even for religions trying to block science. Advancement can't be stopped no matter how hard the religions try to stop it.
It's all moot. The rest of the world will go along in scientific advancement even if US religions don't want it here. Religion will always loose in the end.
I ask in all sincerity, would they lie about what they have "discovered" or would they taint the findings in their favor and omit that which is not favorable. allow the record to speak for itself and take care in the bs they shovel.
BERT CONVY @ 32:
As long as you are sick, that is all i care about.
BERT CONVY @ 32:
talk about a moon-bat... Koo Koo !
xoites defends Constitution @ 37:
Nicely done!
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BERT CONVY @ 40:
Give me your location and i will run right over and see what i can do to help.
This whole idea that "stem cells" were never necesary is bunk. The new method is still inferior. It involves using viruses to get them to take. Something that is less than ideal. Bush deserves no good credit for this, especially since this has been one of the dumbest issues I remember in government. This "breakthrough" was nothing more than scientists who discovered how to do a proper hack because a blowhard was blocking them for cheap political points.
Ooooo! You are attacking Hillary Clinton! Oh! You got me!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
How thick are these people? Do they get that the research they've 'banned' is going on all over the world? Oh sorry, I forgot. The white house globe is flat and only has one 'america' sized land mass
BERT CONVY @ 40:
Project much?
Just think, Bush finally has taken credit for putting science back 6+ years. At least he's honest ;) The whole problem is all the lives that could have been saved. Instead they just tossed those embryo's into an incinerator.
Good Job Bush, you not only didn't save any Embryo's, you also helped kill other people. Your life must be great now.
Moonbatshit crazy?
I think he just had his "I helped invent the internet" moment.
Hey Bert,
Didn't anybody tell you you died in 1991?
Bush:
Born on third base, thinks he hit a triple.
Bush, you are the man.
A better way to pushback against this would be to go the "exaggerator" route - a la Gore and the internet.
Ah, Bertie is back.
Bertie, Bertie: Bush isn't a good man. He's a psychopathic thief, liar and killer.
Oh, and it's "fawn."
Now ... please take your meds and step away from the keyboard.
BERT CONVY @ 32:
Well well well...Let's just pick this comment apart shall we?
1) BushCo, said NO to all stem cell research, if I'm not mistaken...it went against what LBJ (Little Baby Jeeebus) was telling him...
2)I'd love to donate to scientific research, but I'm too fuckin busy trying to make ends meet because your fucktard preznit doesn't seem to know A DAMN THING ABOUT RUNNING A GODDAMN COUNTRY (except into the ground) and saying we're stood in the way of scientific progress?!? WTF? Are you on crack? This entire administration in anti-science unless it pertains to warfare!
3) This "breakthrough" may yet be unworkable. I would wait to see what happens after awhile before you go saying it was never needed.
4) I would give this so-called "good man" you refer to some credit, if he actually did something besides take away our civil rights and wage an illegal war in a sovereign nation, lie to us every time he opens his mouth. Face it...Your Champion is a fucking moron, a war criminal, a war profiteer...let's see...did I miss anything? Oh yeah...he's a FASCIST FUCK!!!
5) Our party makes YOU sick? What's the matter, not enough closeted homosexuals in the Democratic party for your liking? Your party is one of child molesters, sexual deviants, homosexuals in denial, bible thumpin hypocrites...oh yeah and FASCISTS!
I think that about covers it....any questions?
According to popular Christian mythology, Eve Was created from Adam's rib - making her
a clone.
MOTILITY MATTERS
.
(Picture of original Mirror's
headline photo of Bush
on web site)
Stem cells, brain cells, idiocy and imbeciles.
I am again reminded of the November 04' Daily Mirrors' front page picture of our just reelected president and this question:
"How can 59,054,087 People be so STUPID?"
Labels: clo(w)ning, dna, dumb-nuclar-assid, stemmed cells
# posted by cognitorex @ 11/20/2007 1 comments links to this post
BERT CONVY @ 32:
What does herr dubyah deserve credit for?
“My feeling is that the political controversy set the field back four or five years,”
That is well below aWol's overall score of having set back the country a decade.
Zenrage @ 29:
No, wait -- I got it:
Like the scene in Pee Wee's Big Adventure where he goes tumbling off his bike, lands on feet and says, "I meant to do that."
Jay @ 48:
No! The problem with your analogy with Al Gore was very instrumental in promoting Internet development, where Bush PREVENTED the development of stem cell research.
Bert Convy@32
Who do you think the largest funders of private stem cell research are? Large pharma companies who are also huge Repulican financial backers. It is all a huge hypocritical farce. The problem with not being able to use federal funding is that less research is done, it is done by companies rather than universities and it will eventually be done for profit rather than benefitting humanity. Meanwhile the Repubicans get to say "oh, no, we don't kill embryos" but behind the scenes they take money, big money, from the people who are doing what they claim to be against.
BERT CONVY @ 32:
Delusional frauds, hypocrites, and blamers like you and Chimpy with your obstructionist and 13th century worldview are the problem. And your Neo Fascist Republican party has debased our political system into little more than a circus freak show. Tammany Hall looks like a bunch of amateurs next to the Buscovite Junta. But feel free to hang in your Fuhrerbunker with your fascist minority while public sentiment blasts away the last credibility you have.
BERT CONVY @ 40:
Go refill your meds please. And watch getting that rabid slobber on your keyboard, you could electrocute yourself.
Actually boosh was advocating using existing stem cells, which were like copies of copies, and satified neither the scientists nor the superstitious.
The only thing Bush can take credit for is wreckage...
BERT CONVY @ 32:
How did Margie Schoedinger become the topic of the thread?
32 BERT CONVY
Additionally, the word you misepelled is spelled fawn
As in Fawn Hall.
Marcus Aurelius @ 5:
Marcus is right you guys. Bush is brilliant and we need to give credit where credit is due. No more whining. Bush is working on world peace as we speak. He's formulating a magic potion in his laboratory. It will be instilled into bombs and dropped all over the Middle East. Brilliant I tell you.
D.G. Bowman @ 50:
ROFFLE!!
Hilarious and accurate :D
Tom Smith @ 59:
Proof positive that kool-aid exists on both sides of the aisle....
And the word you misspelled, ysbaddaden, is "misspelled." ;)
I already pointed out the "faun/fawn" faux pas to the dense and obtuse Mr. Convy. Of course, an extra reminder couldn't hurt. Funny how illiterate most wingnuts are.
Please, leave the editorial corrections to us experts. ;)
Jay @ 69:
Actually you are the one promoting a previously discredited talking point.
Put down the pitcher and do some research.
A perfect example of how religion stifles progress. Of course the zealots will spin in it that it's because of their moral objection to the use of a collection of cells 1/10 that of the cell count of the brain of the common house fly, that this innovation has come about. Better late than never I guess.
It's a shame evolution is such a slow gradual process. Im kinda looking forward to the day when belief in supernatural magical beings is relegated to the scrap heap of history along with the rest of the gods, and reason and common sense prevail.
where was he on global warming?, on making drug testing/FDA approval?, GM testing?, on pesticide testing?, on shit-in-the-meat and E coli testing?, on toxic emissions control?, on mine safety?, on health care?, on alternative energy?, on peaceful negotiations?, on civil rights?, on corporate behavior?, on ...
well you get the idea, look up anything in the dictionary, and he has been moving us in backward direction on it.
BERT CONVY @ 40 is a brainwashed Blind Faith Rethugnican who will defend President Flightsuit no matter how egregious his crimes. Calling Boosh a good man is simply delusional thinking. Try these on for size:
Is the person who attacked Iraq based on a pack of lies and caused the resulting mayhem there a good man?
Is the person who has not attended even one funeral of a soldier he sent to war a good man?
Is the person who has cynically cut veterans' benefits and allowed the VA health system (remember Walter Reed Hospital?) to deteriorate a good man?
Is the person who vetoed a children's health insurance bill a good man?
Is the person who has nearly destroyed federal health and safety regulations, resulting in untold numbers of illnesses and deaths of our fellow citizens, a good man?
Is the person who cut taxes primarily for the wealthy and bankrupted the US treasury a good man?
Is the person who has ignored the problem of global warming and wasted 7 years during which no corrective action has been taken a good man?
Is the person who employed attack dogs such as Karl Rove and Scooter Libby, who engaged in some of the most sadistic character assassinations and political dirty tricks in our nation's history, a good man?
Is the person who attended Senator McCain's birthday party and strummed a guitar during a political fundraiser while New Orleans was drowning a good person?
I could go on and on but my keyboard is overheating.
Hey! There are Republican Terrorists hijacking this thread!
They're only armed with talking points, let's get em! :grin:
Symes @ 71:
Actually Al Gore is given credit by most computer scientists for the devlopment of the internet. Initially, it was just an instrument for the scientific community in the late 60's. But duriing the 80-90's Al spearheaded the funding through congressional bills for the internet expansion. Funny thing though, internet pornography was another big factor in the financing of the internet, after the dirty mags were chased out of your local convenience store by the self-righteous goon squad.
Gore rightfully took credit for his efforts with one of those long, involved, wonkish answers both he and Clinton were known for. But since his answer was too long for even an eighteen wheeler's bumper stickers, the reichwing simplified his response, then ridiculed him for the simplicity that they themselves were responsible for.
You people need to wake up. The Imperator, Chimpus Maximus, the Decider, the Commander Guy, knew what he was doing when he vetoed a bill that would have provided federal funds for embryonic stem cell research. The Imperator is all-knowing and all-powerful. The Imperator is God's mortal representative on Earth. He is prescient and now is asked for the credit he deserves.
Great list, Baltimore Colt. Really encapsulates this man's evil nature.
Dr. Matt @ 57:
All boosh ever had an ounce of is weed,
Cocaine is measured in grams.
This is a bit off topic, but when I heard that Karl Rove had been hired by Newsweek magazine I sent the editors of Newsweek this:
Letter (by email) to the editors of Newsweek magazine:
Your hiring of Karl Rove as a contributor to Newsweek magazine has convinced me to let my subscription lapse when it expires next February. I regret this course of action since I have been a loyal subscriber to Newsweek for more than 25 years. However, as far as I am concerned Rove is not a credible source for any information or commentary.
Rove is one of the vilest political operatives in our country's history. I believe him to be a deceitful, disrespectful, and ignoble person who used his office to divide the American people and poison political discourse in our nation. I consider him the perpetrator of some of the most egregious character assassinations and political dirty tricks not seen since the dark days of the Nixon years. In all likelihood, he was responsible for several illegal acts, such as the outing of CIA Agent Valerie Plame, during his White House tenure. Unfortunately, it is unlikely he will ever be charged with a crime or held accountable for any suspected illegal activities. Such is the rule of law in the United States today.
An unscrupulous person like Rove does not deserve a forum such as Newsweek to further advance his agenda or that of George W Bush and the Republican Party. Rove's lies and fear mongering have, in my opinion, done much harm to the American people, and for that he should be consigned to obscurity, not rewarded with a soapbox in a major, national news magazine.
D.G. Bowman @ 70:
That's not a misspelling, that's irony on me.
ysbaddaden @ 76:
You are correct, I misread Jay and thought he had used the invent word that they love so much.
Baltimore Colt @ 80:
Baltimore Colt...I'd shake your hand if I could! You rock!
Is the Bush WH familiar with the phrase, "...in SPITE of you"?
There's a bumper sticker! har!
MargeAggedon @ 68:
Oh that's good!
bmw 528 @ 61:
Did...did he just call libs "tightwads"? Oh, hahahaha! That's pretty good! Wow.
All from the safety of his mom's old pc clone's keyboard...ah, well....
Ok, thats it Steve. (Although I dont believe you will read this)
Get on point. This has NEVER been about life or God. This has been about creating a setting in which corporations could control the intellectual property which will generate vast wealth by treating desease.
There has NEVER been a prohibition against using embrionic material. The issue has only involved the use of 'public' funds. This forces the entire process into the private sector where it can be patented and controlled. This is about the wealth of the corporations NOT life or the public good.
These developments fall right into their sweet spot - your life just got better .... IF you can pay for it. This is what they have been after from the start.
BERT CONVY @ 32:
bush a "good man"???? You must be one seriously sick twisted ignorant pervert! And if you had the brains to read the article you'd actually see what a sick twisted ignorant pervert you treasonous hero is!
liberalNmoderation @ 84:
I second that and would buy you a beer! Both for this and for the comment to the wingnut about a good man.
Before he pats himself on the back? Someone should smack him upside his head.... As far as stemcell research? He ain't been nothing but a roadblock.. Him and his eee-vangellll-ic- al misfit friends...
If it was up to them it would be all about praise Jesus, rely on 'faith' to cure your incurable desease.. Oh yea and cough up your bucks to the collection plate...That's all ya need to be doin.. Give us your money and pray.....Yea.. right, that'll work..JD
Confucious say, May who pats his own back, dislocates shoulder.
Confucious also say, Man who tells Confucious jokes gets his ass kicked by the Asian Anti-Defamation League.
Before Carl Sagan died, he claimed that we would have been traveling in SPACE a thousand years ago... IF it were not for the tragic loss of accumulated human knowledge when the Library of Alexandria was burned.
I would put this question to the White House religious nut cases: How many lives might have been saved already... if it were not for George W. Bush BLOCKING the research that might have been done in the last SEVEN YEARS?
There is no good excuse for defending IGNORANCE.
"Embryos must be protected at all costs. Only people can be discarded."
Especially soldiers, and anyone who's not a Bush crony.
ysbaddaden @ 92:
Confucious also say...Man who go to bed with itchy bottom...wake up with stinky finger!
Don't Let me get started ....
Give me a break ...bush
They need to stay over in japan and make some cures and deny the Rightwingnuts treatment...Let them pray for a freekin cure.
liberalNmoderation @ 95:
I thought that was boosh going to bed with kindanasty.
Dr. Matt @ 57:
Lets be fair, Bush deserves a great deal of credit. Look at what he has done in the last seven years.
He and his cronies have destroyed every ounce of goodwill america had accumulated in the past 230 years.
He has nearly destroyed the greatest governing document the world has ever known - OUR Constitution.
He has raped and pillaged our "god-given?" natural resources, and let them be stolen by corporate cronies.
He has stolen trillions of working-class tax dollars and given them to his rich friends, calling them "tax-cuts".
He has systematically destroyed nearly every single department of government that has been put in place (over the last 230 years) in order to serve the "public good," so that his criminal cronies can line their pockets at our expense.
He has done the unthinkable by hiring mercenairies to replace our military. (Read what George Washington thought about mercenairies). And then allowed them to murder and pillage without any oversight, all in our good name.
He has turned every branch of governmet into a GOP political-hack machine, demeaning our most cherrished rights in the process.
He turned our justice department and A.G.'s, into his personal lap dogs.
He has willfully and intentionally committed treason, while abusing presidential powers to cover-up his own criminal behavior.
He has vetoed all legislation intended to help the american people, while signing legislation that allowed his criminal cronies on Wallstreet to legalize "loan-sharking," promote eggregious lending practices, and create a catastrophic housing market; all by passing the 2005 Banking legislation.
And that's just for starters! I'm going to stop now, because thinking about the things Bush deserves credit for, makes me want to puke!
The bush bio-ethicists still have a problem with medical advancements, period.
Disease and death are their plan for you.
http://bioethics.gov
I hate this. It's a wonderful achievement of science, but everything I read about it just makes me think, WHY do they have to use this roundabout, inefficient, tainted and dangerous method instead of just using embryonic stem cells in the first place? Dammit, they would likely have some of these cures already if they were allowed to do the sensible thing and use embryos which are only destroyed anyway. It's so frustrating.
Bonkers @ 86:
It is good, and the credit goes to Jim Hightower. If you have a chance read everything he's written. Molly Ivins is another Texan who knows her way around a writing implement.
ysbaddaden @ 80:
Or Kilos. Just sayin...
A few comments on the topic of the post. There is absolutely no way to say that these scientists have made embryonic stem-cells. One can say that they resemble stem-cells per the metrics they have evaluated.
Further, as has been pointed out, they only looked at this approach after studying embryonic stem cells. They needed to use viruses that cause cells to become immortalized in order to create cells that act this way from fibroblasts. These viruses immediately remove these cells from consideration for use in humans.
This was a parallel effort to research on embryonic stem cells. Embryonic stem cells can differentiate into any cell in the body - maybe they can be used to replace specific cells to treat/cure Parkinson's, diabetes, Alzheimers. Maybe they can be used to grow organs in vitro to be used in transplants. But a separate problem is that embryonic stem cells have their genetic make-up, and you have yours. So, if you wanted to transplant cells or an organ grown from embryonic stem cells, you would need to deal with the problem of rejection. This research was an attempt to derive cells like embryonic stem cells from your own cells to circumvent the rejection problem. Bottom line: BOTH approaches should continue if we want to progress to the point at which we can treat these diseases and conditions.
But, go ahead and try to explain that to a Jeebus fan. Yeah, Bert, I'm looking at you, you luddite.
Symes @ 34:
I guess this means Berty Boy thinks the Preznit and his cohorts didn't commit treason either....good man......THAT'S Hillarious!
oh and bert.....the earth isn't flat...
Sometimes I feel like there is really nothing left to say about this pile of shit we call a president. Worst president ever pretty much covers it.
I would just like to point out that the main reason there was opposition against embryonic stem cell research was the destruction of the embryos. The problem with this is that such destruction is still going to go on. Just think about this; fertility clinics toss out embryos every year, due to either possible genetic imperfections, or because the patients only wanted a certain number of children, and the process created a few extra embryos. Haven't heard one word from the MSM. If it's so wrong to use embryos for research because they are human lives, why is it alright to just dump them in the garbage?
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